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Well, perhaps it was predictable all, but it was still , i have to say, very, was still, i have to say, very, very , very unpleasant indeed. Very, very unpleasant indeed. I was in a carjust very, very unpleasant indeed. I was in a car just after very, very unpleasant indeed. I was in a carjust after 11 00 was in a car just after 11 00 last night driving down a main road in london, and there were gathered in the middle of the road, a palestine in protest, i have to say. We turned the car around and went away. And around and went away. And actually in kensington high street and elsewhere, we witnessed , i thought, some witnessed, i thought, some pretty shocking scenes. But the media are getting this all wrong. The media are calling these pals estonian protests and they went on in brighton , in went on in brighton, in manchester, in newcastle , in manchester, in newcastle, in london and other places around the country. These were not just palestinian protests. They were palestinian protests. They were palestinian protests. They were palestinian selling stations. They were out in the streets celebrating the acts of kidnap , celebrating the acts of kidnap, rape and murder committed by hamas. That is actually what was going on, on our streets yesterday just have a look at these scenes from kensington high street right outside the Israeli Embassy. Palestine in Israeli Embassy. Palestine in palestine , palestine. Palestine, palestine. Right. Is mark steyn. Palestine palestine. Palestine palestine. These pictures were from earlier in the evening, i can assure you, as the evening went on, there were bottles flying and things got a little bit more heated. But be in no doubt this heated. But be in no doubt this was a celebration action and some of the language and some of the behaviour was highly open to question. Just look at this question. Just look at this balaclava man being interviewed in the street last night and listen very carefully to what he says and watch with the right index finger gesture. Index finger gesture. Is its a big night for you guys , you big night for you guys, you know, bravo, this is the end of the occupation against palestine people. Israel is a terrorist. State israel is a terrorist. State israel is a terrorist. State how do you feel about what happenedin how do you feel about what happened in israel yesterday. Happened in israel yesterday. About the killings . How do you feel about the killings and the murders . Killings and the murders . Nothing so there we are, israel is a terrorist state. When he was asked about the murder of innocent civilians, he had absolute nothing to say. And what of that gesture . Well many would say its an old islamic symbol to say there is just one god. However far it has been, as you can see in this picture, appropriated very regularly by isis over the course of the last few years. Im not suggesting this gentleman was is isis, but i am saying it was at the very least deeply provocative , which least deeply provocative, which leads me in to the home secretary, suella braverman, who today has written to chief constable copying in police and Crime Commissioners across the country. So and she says there should be a zero tolerance approach to anti semitism and the police should look at chants such as from the river to the sea, palestine nine will be free, which of course implies is the obliteration of israel as a state. Rishi sunak himself, the Prime Minister said today anyone in the uk found to be supporting hamas in the wake of the attack on israel should be held to account. And of course the same goes for isis. Now what we had on the streets of london last night were all sorts of the vilest, most racist and basest things. Frankly, you could ever hean things. Frankly, you could ever hear. And yet there were very, very few arrests. And im asking a question, should the police do more . You see if any of you stood outside a mosque tonight in Central London and shouted out foul abuse about the muslim religion. I think within about half an hour, maybe 20 minutes, you would have your collar felt by the old bill. Should the police be doing more in this situation . Please give me your thoughts. Farage at gbnews. Com. Now im joined by Jonathan Sacerdoti of the Jewish Chronicle and the campaign against anti semitism. Jonathan, against anti semitism. Jonathan, youre your reaction to what we saw on the streets last night . I dont actually work for the campaign against anti semitism, though i did found it. You founded right. Okay. You founded it, right. Okay. I will give you credit for that. Yeah. Mean, nigel, yeah. I mean, nigel, its a really horrible difficult really horrible and difficult time for jewish people really horrible and difficult time forjewish people here in time for jewish people here in the uk and around the world, especially in israel. And i especially in israel. And i think that watching whats going on in israel, watching effectively pogroms carried out by the palestinian terrorists from hamas who infiltrated the country has been heartbreaking enough. But then for jews country has been heartbreaking enough. But then forjews in country has been heartbreaking enough. But then for jews in the United Kingdom and elsewhere around the world, we saw also in sydney a protest where sydney yesterday a protest where they were calling for jews to be gassed. I think seeing those gassed. I think seeing those things happen is its not just heartbreaking because it harks back to a period, a very dark penod back to a period, a very dark period of our recent history. Period of our recent history. But its heartbreaking because we know that they mean it. What happenedin we know that they mean it. What happened in israel was the rape murder , beheading of men, women, murder, beheading of men, women, children , babies. Today we heard children, babies. Today we heard reports that now that the israeli army have cleared kfar aza , one of the kibbutzim near aza, one of the kibbutzim near the border , they found 40 dead the border, they found 40 dead babies. Some the border, they found 40 dead babies. Some of them had the border, they found 40 dead babies. Some of them had been babies. Some of them had been confirmed. Well, one of the reporters from the station that i work for in israel had reported it on the channel i havent been there myself, but this is the report you know, as with all these things, we need to take everything and try and try and make sure everything is accurate. But certainly ive seen videos online. Most viewers wont have seen the videos that hamas themselves put out because theyre far too brutal and disgusting to show we actually cant show them here on gb news as there may come a point where we have to if this escalates and continues, i think got used continues, i think we got used to one point used to say to to at one point used to say to seeing isis beheading videos for example, those were on the news. This is really in the same in the same vein, ive seen some really horrific in really horrific things in the course the couple of course of the last couple of days reporting on this as a journalist. People killed journalist. People being killed with children made to with an axe, children made to watch their families being killed before theyre killed. Killed before theyre killed. Old women, some possibly no longer with it any more suffering from dementia or other illnesses being taken hostage into gaza. The body, the into gaza. The body, the lifeless body, possibly dead of a woman who had presumably been raped from from the appearance being spat on in gaza. This is truly its truly horrific. This is pure racial hatred, isnt it . Well as far as one can see, hamas is motivated by hatred of jews. Their own founding charter makes it very clear that they dont believe in any form of negotiations. They dont believe in any form of struggle for their own liberation other than jihad. And i mean, i brought a few quotes with me just so that i could tell you its not just my opinion that its their founding charter. Article seven, the day of judgement will not come about until muslims fight the jews. When the jews will hide behind stones and trees, the stones and trees will say 0 muslims. Oh, abdullah , theres a muslims. Oh, abdullah, theres a jew behind me. Come and kill him. You know article eight, allah its target. The prophet allah is its target. The prophet is model. Quran, its is its model. The quran, its constitution, jihad is its path and death. For the sake of allah , loftiest of its wishes , is the loftiest of its wishes. Article 13 initiatives and so called Peaceful Solutions and International Conference are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance movement. At article 28, israel movement. At article 28, israel , judaism, jews challenge islam and the muslim people. Its it chapter and verse. No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, now, look, you know, they would say there are some in palestine would say that israel overreacts , that im not sure what a suitable reaction is for a founding charter that wants hamas, hamas , thats hamas. We hamas, hamas, thats hamas. We cant i mean , are you saying we cant i mean, are you saying we cant i mean, are you saying we can judge all palestinians about hamas . Surely youre not saying that. Of course im not. Im not. Of course im not. Im not. There is also, for example, Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority and fatah, who as the moderates. Who are seen as the moderates. But year during news but last year during a News Conference with german conference with the german chancellor, scholz in chancellor, olaf scholz in berlin, that israel had berlin, he said that israel had carried massacres, 50 carried out 50 massacres, 50 holocausts. Chancellor holocausts. The chancellor himself of germany. How that is , was disgusted by how that is, was disgusted by that palestinian wing see it and there are many in this country who are sympathetic to us and they want a two state solution. Theyre sympathetic to palestine , and i understand that palestine, and i understand that thats a perfectly legitimate argument. What is not legitimate argument. What is not legitimate is to go on the streets and celebrate acts of. And that is whats going on. But, jonathan, whats going on. But, jonathan, what does israel do now . You see, im not normally a fan of William Hague, but i thought what he wrote today in the times was very interesting and very much in line with debate we much in line with the debate we had last night that hamas had here last night that hamas are provoking israel. It expecting an extreme response , expecting an extreme response, wanting to bust apart at the abraham accords. The potential deal that was going on with saudi arabia. What does israel saudi arabia. What does israel do now . Do now . I think at the moment, israel has really no choice about what to do because of what happens to its civilian population. Its civilian population. Then it has to try to eliminate the risk of hamas being able to do this in the future. It has to try to get back as many of those hostages is Something Like 100, possibly more israeli civilians currently presumed to be held hostage in gaza. Some will be dead. Some will be in a terrible condition. All of them without medications. They might be on elderly people, young are nursing young people. There are nursing babies. Without their babies. Theyre without their mothers, milk. Mothers, without breast milk. They get those people they need to get those people back they can. And they back as best they can. And they just to make sure this just need to make sure this cant happen again. Weve seen a cycle of wars with gaza. So the israeli go into so the israeli army go into gaza try and hunt these gaza and try and hunt these people down. I cant predict exactly well, i cant predict exactly what that is what will happen, but that is everyones but everyones best assumption. But of course, that means hamas everyones best assumption. But of cotjust that means hamas everyones best assumption. But of cotjust thathiseans hamas everyones best assumption. But of cotjust thathis time hamas everyones best assumption. But of cotjust thathis time usingimas wont just be this time using the people as a the Palestinian People as a human theyll also be human shield. Theyll also be using israeli people as a human shield have shield because they have hostages who theyve hostages from israel who theyve said theyre keeping in tunnels. Theyre going to be putting them right might want to right where israel might want to strike to get rid of terrorist infrastructure strike to get rid of terrorist infr and |cture strike to get rid of terrorist infrand|cture got this in gaza. I and weve got this in gaza. I mean, what about the west bank . You one of the one of the you know, one of the one of the great from the free great cries from the free Palestine Campaign is that west bank illegally occupied bank has been illegally occupied. You respond to. And how do you respond to that . And are we going to see problems there, too . I think all us would like i think all of us would like to see a world in which palestinians and israelis can live side by side. Can each live side by side. They can each have fulfilment of dream have a fulfilment of their dream for self determination, live for self determination, to live in peace. I dont think what in peace. But i dont think what weve seen just has really weve seen just now has really put us any closer that. Put us any closer to that. I think that hamas has set back the cause of palestinian statehood, nationhood by decades. But i must also say that none of this is new. It may be shocking for the moment, and thats because for the last 20 odd years, israels been quite successful at stopping these kinds of attacks. But im old enough remember 80s, the enough to remember the 80s, the 90s israelis were 90s when jews and israelis were being blown up on buses, in restaurants, in cafes, civilians were again targeted for were once again targeted for slaughter because of their israeli slash jewish identity. Israeli slash jewish identity. Obe and i think that there has been a period of maybe a couple of when thats been less of decades when thats been less frequent because of israels constant efforts protect its population. Palestinians have been killed by the israeli army, too. I mean, the killings on both sides. The situation horrible. I think that the its interesting because theres been a lot criticism. Ive had a lot of criticism. Ive had onune a lot of criticism. Ive had online of calling them terrorists, saying, the terrorists, saying, well, the israeli the true israeli army are the true terrorists and how can you call one side terrorists and the other side not . And of course, i think person think any right thinking person who upset by the death of who is upset by the death of civilians on one side is upset by the death civilians on by the death of civilians on both i dont want see both sides. I dont want to see any innocent civilians, innocent both sides. I dont want to see any inn being civilians, innocent both sides. I dont want to see any innbeing killed. S, innocent both sides. I dont want to see any innbeing killed. I innocent both sides. I dont want to see any innbeing killed. I willjcent both sides. I dont want to see any innbeing killed. I will sayt people being killed. I will say this the israeli army doesnt this. The israeli army doesnt go door to door in in areas of pure civilian population throwing grenades into peoples homes, raping, pillaging and beheading babies. As far as weve heard. And they dont go weve heard. And they dont go into Music Festivals. Eyes of into Music Festivals. Eyes of palestinians block all the exits so that when they try to drive out and escape , they can torch out and escape, they can torch their cars. Some of the bodies, over 200 bodies in that Music Festival badly charred festival are so badly charred that in order to get identities of the people theyve to go. Of the people theyve had to go. I mother had to i spoke to a mother who had to have dna sample of hers taken have a dna sample of hers taken to see they could try and to see if they could try and identify. To a survivor of we spoke to a survivor of that festival last night. Final thought this an thought and this is not an easy one for the police. And i get that. Should they be doing more to some of the things that to stop some of the things that were london were being said on london streets last night . Were being said on london strewell, st night . Were being said on london strewell, clearly, . Home well, clearly, the home secretary so because of secretary thinks so because of this members of this letter. Other members of the cabinet have spoken out, too. And think the jewish too. And i think the Jewish Community for community is very grateful for that, years many that, because for years we many people Jewish Community people in the Jewish Community have felt that there hasnt been a enough were a tough enough response. Were used kind of protests, used to these kind of protests, which can often be scary which can often be very scary and do jewish people feel and do make jewish people feel very uncomfortable in their own cities. British citizens. Cities. Were british citizens. We to be we have every right to be protected anyone else. Protected like anyone else. I think if police take think that if the Police Take Note this letter and if the note of this letter and if the politicians about politicians are serious about encouraging so, maybe encouraging them to do so, maybe this be the beginning of this will be the beginning of enforcing the actual which enforcing the actual law, which is that support for hamas is to say that support for hamas is to say that support for hamas is illegal. Is to say that support for hamas is iihamas , isis, any of those hamas, isis, any of those proscribed organisations. As proscribed organisations. As Jonathan Sacerdoti, thank you for coming in. Join me and it is very, very, very grim news that we get from israel and from gaza. What happened on the gaza. But what happened on the streets london night . Streets of london last night . I thought was pretty unforgivable. In a moment, we go to tel aviv to news Charlie Peters to join gb news Charlie Peters to join gb news Charlie Peters to get the latest on to get the latest update on whats going on there. Radio. We now go live to tel aviv where gb news is. Charlie peters is in situ. Charlie good evening. Please give us an up to date report of what has been happening in the region today. Theres fighting going on right now, nigel. Its not clear if the militants fighting with the idf outside of the gaza strip have recently crossed the border or if they have remained since the invasion on saturday. But we have seen reports in the last 30 minutes that new sporadic small arms fire conflicts are occurring between Defence Forces on the israeli side and Hamas Terrorists. Weve seen reports of some some Hamas Terrorists being killed in sderot and also in malfa nearby this morning, the Israeli Government claimed that they had closed off the border with gaza, that they had mined it and secured the fences. But then secured the fences. But then less than 12 hours later, the battles erupted nearby, often just ten kilometres away from those border fences. So its those border fences. So its very clear that right now, as we speak, small arms fire at least is ongoing. And in the hours before that event, we have seen more rocket attacks going in across the country, in northern israel, from southern lebanon. Weve seen artillery fire coming down likely from the Palestinian Islamic jihad. Israel deployed helicopter gunships and tank artillery to fire back in the Central Region in tel aviv and further down where i am, we have had the air siren on as rockets were destroyed overhead by the iron dome defence system. But iron dome defence system. But people here, including us, had to take shelter as that fire came in and then down to the south as i said, those clashes occurring, but also more rocket attacks flying into ashkelon and further south. So effectively, charlie, we now have israel at war on two fronts. Clearly the gaza front bigger, but there must be real worries that perhaps hezbollah will also get involved in this from the. North from the. North thats right. I mean, theres been sporadic fighting on that Northern Front for the last 48 hours. We do know that several idf soldiers have died up there, including members of the israels Tier One Special forces, who share a motto with the sas, who dares wins. They the sas, who dares wins. They have confirmed casualties in repelling members of almost certainly hezbollah, but also the Palestinian Islamic jihad as they launch assaults from the north. We dont know if they are operating in tandem with Hamas Terrorists in gaza , but they are terrorists in gaza, but they are certainly exploiting the chaos caused by the idf, having to pull so many resources into the south due to the devastating invasion on saturday. It is a complex, widespread and multi fronted war. Or as it stands. Yeah, no, it is. And do we have any rough up to date idea on numbers killed and wounded on both sides. Both sides. Well, its stretched now into the thousands on both sides for the thousands on both sides for the first time late this afternoon. We do know that regular reports will come in from the from the idf on the number of casualties from its own troops , updates from the own troops, updates from the palestinian side are less regular, but the Hamas Run Health Ministry is putting out information on those killed by israeli airstrikes into gaza, which has now tipped over the 1000 figure and over 1500 hamas militants and terrorists have been killed in israel since the violence erupted , and that violence erupted, and that number is likely to rise. As we see reports, only coming in the last hour of more militants fighting with the idf in and around the gaza strip. Around the gaza strip. Now, charlie, the politics of this is very, very complicated. The egyptians insisting that they did give intelligence information to the israelis, which they ignored, some saying that the Prime Minister netanyahu , was too busy with netanyahu, was too busy with domestic political concerns to take notice. And no one knows the truth of that. But is there much public debate about what netanyahu does next . You know, theres a lot of people out there. Ive mentioned William Hague earlier on. A lot of people saying, look, actually hamas are trying to get israel to overreact. Is there much pubuc to overreact. Is there much public debate about militarily what israel should do. Next what israel should do. Next i think both sides seem extremely united. Both the palestinian cause and those in israel. There is not much public debate internally in israel. There is very much indeed, even at the government level, a United Government calls for a cross party governance, which netanyahu has supported. He runs a very controversial government, of course , the religious zionism of course, the religious zionism part of his government in the knesset , attracting all part of his government in the knesset, attracting all sorts part of his government in the knesset , attracting all sorts of knesset, attracting all sorts of protests internally. But the protests internally. But the protests against the perceived controversial intervention of the judiciary has been called off. That has been going on very regularly. That has now been called off during this conflict. And weve also seen people from across israeli politics coming together really to back whatever this government does next, as it looks to put into what is likely a ground assault into gaza strip. The first one since 2014. Yeah i have to say, i think that i think whatever restraint is being urged by some on the International Stage , i on the International Stage, i think it most unlikely that he will not go for a military assault of some kind and probably probably sadly, some large civil an casualties with it. Charlie peters from tel aviv, thank you for your report. Charlie peters from tel aviv, thank you for your report. Well thank you for your report. Well speak to you again at the same time tomorrow. Now, with all of this going on, the horrific events in israel and gaza, the appalling scenes on london streets last night are todays news schedule has been very different to that. That would have been planned by sir keir starmer and the labour party and actually gb news, the other main broadcaster , is suddenly the broadcaster, is suddenly the labour conference is not the size of story that it was supposed to be. But in a moment well come to sir Keir Starmers speech, his prospects of what he hopes will be a decade in power and how on earth somebody related to the Just Stop Oil movement was able to get onto the platform cover the labour leader in glitter and not be resisted for at least 15 seconds. The labour conference s in just a moment listening to gb news radio. Before we go to liverpool, at last count , before we go to liverpool, at last count, ten british before we go to liverpool, at last count , ten british citizens last count, ten british citizens have been killed in the conflict in israel. That was the last we had. That number may now be significantly higher. I just dont know. But one of those thats been killed is nathaniel young, a 20 year old who was serving with the 13th battalion of the israel Defence Forces. And right now there is a vigil going on for him in north london at cockfosters and north southgate synagogue and gb news ray addison is there to cover the vigil. The vigil. Good evening, nigel. Yes well, this is not just a vigil. Its also a Memorial Service and a show of soledar parity with israel for all. Netta now, thats how ive been told. They pronounced his name here. Theyve seen him coming to this synagogue since he was just a tiny boy. And people who know tiny boy. And people who know him well saying that he was so loved and they described him as an absolute terror, but very much loved by everybody. Of much loved by everybody. Of course, we know that. Weve course, we know that. Weve decided actually, weve been asked not to identify the synagogue that were outside today due to security concerns. So were not showing too much of the building. But of course, netanel was 20 years old. He was a british citizen. He was serving in the israeli Defence Forces. Hed been serving with them since he was 18 years old. And a member of the golan brigade. Now, thats one of the idfs most highly decorated units defending israels borders. He was killed on saturday. He was defending that border during that surprise attack by the terrorist organisation on hamas. Now he grew up in london and he was a pupil of the jfs school. Thats a Jewish School about ten miles away from where i am now. And he was described by his family as the life and soul of the party. He was loved by everybody. He loved music. He liked to dj and he had very strong jewish pride. And hed always been determine and were told to join the idf now during his funeral. Yes today on mount herzl in israel, youll have seen that footage where the rocket sirens sounded , forcing people at that event to take cover. And his sister, to take cover. And his sister, gaby, was there. His brother elliot, as well, his commander to who was at that funeral service. And his commander described him as a hero earlier on, gb news spoke to rabbi myer schindler at and he told us that the community here is feeling horrified and helpless , specific horrified and helpless, specific to our community tonight. Its an opportunity for people to really feel that they can commemorate this young boy in neil young, who was only 20, you know , the family who theyre you know, the family who theyre very close with are in israel , very close with are in israel, of course, at the moment. So theyre not necessarily able to be there to support them, but at least they feel theyre doing, again, something in his memory and theyll have an opportunity to write some condolences as well family which will be well to the family which will be sent on them. So hopefully sent on to them. So hopefully that be beneficial for the that will be beneficial for the to. Community to. Community well, as you know, nigel, there is thought to be around ten british citizens who have died in this conflict so far since that surprise attack by hamas. Theres also a number of people who are missing, including 26 year old jack marlow. Now, he actually went to the same school as netanel. Hes believed to be miss king. He was providing security at the supernova Music Festival when it was attacked by hamas gunmen who just opened fire indiscriminately. There are concerns that he could have died. Theres also concerns that he may have been taken hostage. He may have been taken hostage. Ray, thank you very much indeed. And thats just one person. And one family and a group of friends and synagogue. Thatll be sad. Therell be a lot more sadness, im afraid , lot more sadness, im afraid, before this war is over. Now, it was supposed to be sir Keir Starmers big day. The leaders speech. The last one before he hopes and expects to become the british Prime Minister. And yet how labour partys security can be as lapsed as this. I do not know. This was keir starmer shortly after he started on stage at the Labour Party Conference in liverpool. Conference in liverpool. True democracy is citizen led. Politics needs an update. We demand a peoples house. We demand the peoples house. We are in crisis. We now this are in crisis. We now this gentleman is with an organisation thats an offshoot of Just Stop Oil and organisation thats an offshoot ofJust Stop Oil and hes of Just Stop Oil and hes campaign for proportional representation and for a sort of big Peoples Panel chosen by lottery to help run the country. Now im actually a supporter of proportional representation, but not of political disruption. Ian like that. Chris hope, our political editor, joins me. Chris, for the labour party , chris, for the labour party, this is i mean, he was on stage there for 15 seconds. This is an appalling security lapse, isnt it . It . Its appalling. And nigel, ive been you when you were running a Political Party when someone threw, was it a milkshake on you . And what is so shocking is, of course, glitter isnt offensive, nor is milkshake. But what you dont milkshake. But what you dont know if youre under attack is what is it . Whats on me . Is it damaging . It hurt me . And damaging . Will it hurt me . And thats thing. And thats the shocking thing. And i thought sir keir starmer did really he really well. Really cool. He sort them off and sort of shrugged them off and didnt im sure didnt respond. Im not sure whether theres training whether theres any training given that behaviour, given to him for that behaviour, but mean, i know the but i mean, i know that the people around me on the edge of the there watching that the hall there watching that speech running speech were furious, running around people with, you know, clearly people clearly security people wondering this wondering how on earth this could wondering how on earth this couyeah. Well the yeah. Yeah. Well the difference chris, when i difference is, chris, when i had things at in the things thrown at me in the street, it was tough to avoid. But never. I tell you what, i do. Ukip conference. Nobody would got on stage would have got on that stage anywhere and the fact anywhere near me. And the fact labour thought that labour hadnt thought that through surprised me. Now to substance, important substance, which is important from what i can see, its housing and green energy that have dominated keirs pitch to the nation. The nation. Thats right. So its these new kind of eco towns , garden new kind of eco towns, garden cities, edwardian buildings, to make it seem more palatable to middle england. Its an idea. Middle england. Its an idea. Its a big its a big boost to try and build 1. 5 million new homes over five years, about a third more than where the tories are. I thought if you were here, nigel, you may even be tempted to join labour party because to join the labour party because the policies , as heard there the policies, as we heard there in hall, were not really in that hall, were not really that different to the tory that different to what the tory party to offer, how theyre party has to offer, how theyre paying party has to offer, how theyre paying the paying for it is different. The idea vat on private school idea of vat on private school bills, issue of non doms bills, the issue of non doms losing their tax status. But really theres not much to divide the two parties. And in fact, at one point he said, join us. This is a case of keir starmer to the adoring faithful. And then he said at one point, you a government that you want a government that is strong stable or you want strong and stable or you want one strong. And you and i remember those that language from in 2017. From theresa may back in 2017. I mean, and how badly that ended for the tory government. So theres an issue of hubris here. I think if they if they if i think if they if they too, if they assume this that they assume this victory that they assume this victory that the them getting, the polls forecast them getting, it not come that way. It might not come out that way. I interestingly , as you i mean, interestingly, as you say, the housing target, well, the tories target is 300,000 yean so over five years that would be one. And a half million. Its exactly the same. The green exactly the same. The green energy. Well, you know, the conservatives may have pushed a few deadlines back, but are still utterly committed to turning into apparently the turning us into apparently the saudi arabia of wind. So what is it were voting for . Is it is it the idea that weve had 13 years of a tired government and its time for a change is that is that really what this election i know its a long way off. But right now with a big conference speeches over is that really right now with a big conference spee the over is that really right now with a big conference spee the pitch is that really right now with a big conference spee the pitch isthat really right now with a big conference spee the pitch is . At really what the pitch is . Thats it in the small print isnt clear. They keep saying this non dom charge will pay for all sorts of things. Mental all sorts of things. Mental health checks, 2 million more appointments, 5000 more others, 10,000 more midwives. So it goes on the long list of that. That non dom charge is paying for. And we all know that non doms will leave the country probably, and might fall to zero very and that might fall to zero very quickly. And a concern. Quickly. And thats a concern. What there are what are what there are what they are defining themselves as is against a tory party they see as who have lost the plot. Now the danger of plot of defining yourself the terms yourself on terms, on the terms of your enemy is no one knows why vote you, whereas the why to vote for you, whereas the positivity, what theyre positivity, thats what theyre missing. Saying are missing. Theyre saying we are a clean a vision, clean slate, we have a vision, but have to have to stand but you have to have to stand for something. Nigel you cant just ourselves by opponent. No, but would say this, no, but i would say this, chris. Know, i at the chris. You know, i was at the conservative Party Conference last week with you and they werent split the werent just split down the middle. Mean, theyre split middle. I mean, theyre split into 5 different factions into 4 or 5 different factions from what see. And clearly from what i can see. And clearly many mps up absolutely many tory mps up absolutely loathe each other. Now, of course, we have the left in the labour party , but they appear to labour party, but they appear to to be me at least, a very subdued left. And do we not have to give starmer credit for uniting the labour party . Uniting the labour party . Well, totally. I mean, this party is completely changed in just two years. In 2021, its all about his discipline and before that course, Jeremy Corbyn stopped leader in corbyn stopped being leader in 2019. What has gone from here are cardigans and the sharp are the cardigans and the sharp suits are back. Nigel its people here, here who are trying to is a party that to show this is a party that means business lobby here, means business lobby are here, Big Companies are here. They means business lobby are here, big c theanies are here. They means business lobby are here, big c the bigs are here. They means business lobby are here, big c the big momentumhey means business lobby are here, big c the big momentum isey means business lobby are here, big c the big momentum is now think the big momentum is now with the labour party and i think thats where its going. But dont think party is but i dont think the party is earning right yet to earning that right yet to govern. Wheres the big vision and are you going to pay for and how are you going to pay for it it all going to be it all . Is it all going to be borrowing . Thats what it looks like othennise theyre like because othennise theyre not increase income not going to increase income tax. So we at gb news with you tonight be looking at the tonight will be looking at the small of the offer from small print of the offer from laboun small print of the offer from labour. In the labour. Its by no means in the bag for them. Final thought. Chris is tony blair big behind the scenes controlling all of the strings . Is new labour over is this new labour all over again . Again . Well , maybe not blair, but if well, maybe not blair, but if youre watching gb news earlier today, when meeting peter manson came on just behind me when i was with andrew pierce, he beckoned him over. And we interviewed him off literally me, behind the literally behind me, behind the wall behind and were wall behind me. And we were saying you know what saying to him, do you know what what . Targets what . Keir starmer, five targets are or objectives. And he listed them for all us. I mean, he clearly to be in clearly wants to be in government. Hanging around government. Hes hanging around because how to win a because he knows how to win a landslide. And told me on my landslide. And he told me on my podcast year, a podcast last year, hes not a day that goes by when he doesnt wish he was back in power, and thats why hes here. Hes on the front row of the shadow for cabinet Rachel Reeves speech. He is around team. But then is around the team. But then again, you sir keir again, if you work for sir keir starmer, want him in your starmer, youd want him in your camp. He how to win, camp. He knows how to win, win a landslide. But thats not sure, sir keir starmer is tony blair. Wherever slogans. Wheres sir keir starmer is tony blair. Wh retail slogans. Wheres sir keir starmer is tony blair. Wh retail offer logans. Wheres sir keir starmer is tony blair. Wh retail offer forans. Wheres sir keir starmer is tony blair. Wh retail offer for gb wheres sir keir starmer is tony blair. Wh retail offer for gb newses the retail offer for gb news viewers, havent seen it yet. Viewers, we havent seen it yet. In moment, were okay. In a moment, were going to somebody who going to talk to somebody who was involved jeremy was very involved with Jeremy Corbyns Election Campaign to see feels. Well also see how he feels. Well also have a at those housing have a look at those housing targets whether theyre targets and see whether theyre actually to make any actually going to make any difference the country at difference to the country at all. Back with you in a couple of minutes. Lets go back to liverpool and im going to be joined by harry burns, former labour head of elections for the 2017 general elections for the 2017 general election and Vice President of crestview strategy. Harry, one thing ive noticed , and perhaps its fortunate given the events that broke out over the weekend in israel and gaza , the 2018 labour party gaza, the 2018 Labour Party Conference, there was a palestinian flag on every chair and delegates was busy waving them. Those days are over, them. Those days are over, arent they . They are, and thank arent they . They are, and thank god they are. What do you say . Thank god they are. But i mean, thank god they are. But i mean, there you were working very closely with Jeremy Corbyn, who, if im not mistaken , is actually if im not mistaken, is actually called hamas friends of his. Called hamas friends of his. So just to be clear. So i was so just to be clear. So i was head of elections for the 2017 general Election Campaign when labour were very far behind the tories at the start of the campaign, my job was very clear save as many labour mps as possible. Then when it became possible. Then when it became clear that corbyn was getting close to government , clear that corbyn was getting close to government, i, along with a lot of my other colleagues, resigned. I left the labour party and i tried to labour party and then i tried to do everything i can to bring corbyn down. Unfortunately for everyone, he is no longer a labour he was no harry, thank well, he was no harry, thank you for that. And i was. I was teasing you slightly, but the, but i was like you, nigel. I know, but just before the break, i was actually paying credit to keir starmer because had the corbyn easters been prominent in the party, given the appalling terrorist attacks we saw at the weekend, i mean, that that alone could have cost labour the next general election. Has starmer cleared out the hard left or are they still there and just lying dormant . Dormant . No, no. I think keir summed no, no. I think keir summed it up after the protestor invaded the stage that labour are no longer the party of protest. They are a serious protest. They are a serious potential party of government and i think that they are showing the british people that the party has changed. You know, its unrecognisable from the party that i left back in 2017 and theyve changed the party as they can change the country because i think everyone can agree that we cant go on like this as a country. I mean, im sure, you know, even you, nigel, must be thinking, we cant stand five this tory five more years of this tory government. Absolutely time government. Its absolutely time for change. Starmer for a change. And. And starmer is the man thats going to deliver this change for the people. Because asked you people. Because you asked you asked retail asked earlier what the retail offer yeah. Your offer is. Yeah. For your viewers. The offer is viewers. And the retail offer is simple. All 13 years of failed government has led to our Public Services not working. We cant get a gp appointment. The trains dont run. I mean, i dont know, getting absolute getting here was an absolute nightmare. Getting home. My train been cancelled train has just been cancelled this evening. Nothing is working. Country is completely. This country is completely broken is only one broken and there is only one possible of changing the possible way of changing the trajectory where we are trajectory of where we are going. You think going going. If you think were going in wrong direction, its in the wrong direction, its time to vote for a different party. Rishi sunak is not going to the country fools by to take the country for fools by saying be the change saying that he can be the change he needs. All well and good. Thats all well and good. Thats and good, but so thats all well and good, but so far the policy offering isnt actually to that. Actually very different to that. Thats fonnard by the thats being put fonnard by the conservatives. Is what youre saying . No, no, i fundamentally disagree. I disagree. Disagree. I disagree. Go on. How is it go on. Go on. How is it radically different . Is how is it . So firstly , you is how is it . So firstly, you know, the tories have had 13 years to implement an industrial strategy and get the economy growing. Weve had yet another announcement today that that our growth is projected to fall. You know, we are a failing nation. You know, its managed decline under this government. Starmer will have a serious conversation with business. The labour party are fundamentally rebuilt. Their relationships with business and they want to Work Together to implement a long term industrial strategy thats going to take decisions thats going to pay off in the future, not short termism, as were seeing with hs2. Whatever you might think about hs2 to the that we about hs2 to the fact that we have so much money over so have spent so much money over so many years, its an absolute travesty. This is under the travesty. And this is under the tories will tories watch. So labour will take long decisions that take long term decisions that will into the future and will pay off into the future and our actually start our children will actually start to like they might be to feel like they might be better off than their parents because currently ive because currently i, ive got two dont feel like two kids. I dont feel like theyre have a better theyre going to have a Better Future under this government. But with labour with but i think with labour and with an sorry. An industrial. Yes sorry. Moment, harry, hes at the moment, harry, hes odds on to be the next Prime Minister and its all well and good. Youre making these big statements. What well do over the course of the next year is look at them in more detail. But thank forjoining me live thank you for joining me live from liverpool. Im sorry from liverpool. And im sorry about train. Now, about that council train. Now, housing all the rage. Housing has been all the rage. Its in this its a huge debate in this country both of the parties. Country in both of the parties. And charlie lamden Housing Market me. Market specialist, joins me. Charlie labour for both parties want to build 300,000 houses a year and yet were only going to build 160,000 this year. All sorts of planning problems , some sorts of planning problems, some of them to do with old european rules. But the big sell today from keir starmer was the concept of new towns is built in sort of edwardian style terraces. How does that sound to you . You . Well, i think when we were last together on talking points , nigel, you asked me what i would do and i said id have if i was in government, id have a huge housebuilding campaign. So hopefully they were listening and when they and paying attention when they watch so i really watch us. So i was really interested in this speech. I couldnt any policy couldnt see any policy differences tories differences between the tories and couldnt and the labour. I just couldnt see any. All i could hear was keir staying. We can deliver. Keir staying. We can deliver. They cant, but we can. But its the were both to work on the were both trying to work on the were both trying to work on the same thing. But vote me in because i can deliver. That was a like my chat with a little bit like my chat with harry a moment yeah harry burns a moment ago. Yeah exactly. Couldnt see any exactly. I couldnt see any clear difference. Hes talking about long term business investment. And whole investment. Hes and that whole speech preparing speech was preparing us for, i think, Nuclear Energy think, a cheap Nuclear Energy based he talked about based future. He talked about steel. Talked about ports. He steel. He talked about ports. He talked scientists. Talked about nuclear scientists. He about energy. He talked about energy. He talked about training people up in polytechnics , bringing in polytechnics, bringing polytechnics because anyone polytechnics back because anyone under 45 wont remember the polytechnics to be a polytechnics used to be a regular thing and he talked regular thing. And he talked about years, a decade of about ten years, a decade of hard grind and then everything will be okay. And i found myself thinking from a housing point of view. Right now there are a lot of people who think were in a housing emergency, a housing crisis. There are people who cant pay their mortgage, people who cant pay their rent, homeless i homeless is spiking. And i didnt thing in that didnt hear any thing in that speech to help anyone whos wondering what theyre going to do five years. Of do for the next five years. Of course, other make course, the other point to make is very important, charlie, is its and good. Its all well and good. Even if you build 300,000 new dwellings, is dwellings, if net migration is running 600,000 a year, the running at 600,000 a year, the populations exploding, then actually youre youre not actually youre not youre not even up with demand for even keeping up with demand for one year coming in, let alone. One year coming in, let alone. So this is true, but i think the effects of it are highly localised. There are areas that are badly hit by that are very, very badly hit by that and are areas that are and there are areas that are untouched that. And so i untouched by that. And so i think all of this think thats all of this housing, housing is an individual person choosing where they and the they want to live and the location absolutely location is absolutely essential, which is why planning the so far have been the tories so far have been unable to set fire to the planning roadblock that weve got. Can labour do it . I dont know if you were in charge of is said. Right. We need at least 300,000 houses a year for the next. I mean its more than that. Where would you build them . How would you build them . I would go to the cities. Who are most in need, the ones that have got the most chronic shortage. And i would suspend planning regulations , suspend planning regulations, but i Ask Developers to but i would Ask Developers to submit their proposal for as long as it met most long as it met the most essential requirements , they essential requirements, they would rubber stamped. So would get rubber stamped. So i would get rubber stamped. So i would want to accelerate a very, very rapid rollout of Affordable Housing in the places where its needed most for people to work. So especially for people who are working on the front line of Services Like nhs workers, fire police, those kind of stuff. Because theres theres a because theres an theres a short need all those short term need and all those people working in those services who have homes or who dont have decent homes or cant homes they live cant afford the homes they live in, going affecting in, its to going be affecting their work. First suburbia a great first in suburbia was a great dream and london just and dream and london just grew and grew and it gave grew and grew. And it gave people, you know, a nice place to live and three bedrooms and a bathroom but bathroom and garden. But actually low actually we have very, very low density housing london in density housing in london in terms dont need terms of height, dont we need to build and the other to build london and the other cities up . Yes, i think that definitely helps it definitely helps the cities it also alleviates cities and it also alleviates the space problem, lateral the space problem, the lateral space if you build up. But i think where do we plant these new towns . Well, thats a very interesting question. I have no idea how you go about choosing where live because where they want to live because you then have to sell that town, wouldnt you, people come and wouldnt you, to people come and live this empty town. Live in this empty town. Know. Know. Its not i know. I know. Its not easy. Charlie, back easy. Charlie, come back and talk us housing is an talk to us again. Housing is an issue will go away. Issue that will not go away. A piece of for news you. We covered straddling park covered the straddling park hotel remember for hotel in tansley. Remember for a hotel. Important to that hotel. Very important to that town wales. Huge protest from town in wales. Huge protest from the locals they told the locals when they were told it going filled up it was going to be filled up with cross channel migrants. With cross channel migrants. They road with they blocked the road with concrete which they concrete blocks, which they could because was could do because it was a private road. And learned private road. And we learned tonight Asylum Seeker tonight that the Asylum Seeker hotel for bradley park has hotel plan for bradley park has now been scrapped. And a lot of now been scrapped. And a lot of people whove campaigned into athlete will be very, very pleased indeed. Im joined by pleased indeed. Im joined by sir jacob rees. Mogg jacob, you sirjacob rees. Mogg jacob, you had to almost feel sorry for the labour leader today. His big speech did. He got demoted down speech did. He got demoted down menus agenda. Well inevitably because of what is going on there we will be touching on his speech in my programme particularly i like the fact that in british politics politicians are politics our politicians are very and very accessible very open and very accessible and not surrounded by thousands of Security Guards. And therefore i particularly hate therefore i particularly hate the fact that he was attacked. I think he it brilliantly, think he handled it brilliantly, but thats trend in but thats a bad trend in british politics. Youve obviously suffered from it more than most. Yeah, but we want to maintain a politics where we dont hide our politicians away and these Extinction Rebellion people and all their associates, rhian , we dont understand. Rhian, we dont understand. Theres too stupid to understand the risk that they are creating for the british body politic on policy. It was interesting just, just chatting about housing with charlie lambden and we had chris hope down the line. Almost no policy differences between the two main parties, almost nothing. Well, its fascinating to see that the labour party is doing a blur. Its trying to neutralise every policy issue by saying im wonderful. The labour party is going to build george and houses. Know, know. I know, i know. I know, i know. I know, i know. I wrote pamphlet calling i wrote a pamphlet calling for 15 years ago. For the 15 years ago. Even mark didnt propose. Even mark didnt propose. Has me and jacob right wing has me and jacob housing policy. Lets see the weather. Lets see the weather. Hello again. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. Rain moving south into Northern England, Northern Ireland and wales overnight. Clearer, but staying blustery for scotland whilst it remains warm in the far south, theres a significant temperature contrast across the uk at the moment. Warmth in the south east, chilly in the north and northwest and in the north and northwest and in between a band of rain finally easing across central and western scotland, pushing into southern scotland during the evening. Northern ireland and then later on across parts of Northern England and wales. The rain pepping up by the end of the night in these areas as well. Now it stays dry further south, but therell be a lot of low cloud and mist to begin things on wednesday. A mild start here, but a chilly start for scotland, especially central belt northwards, mid single figures in figures and a strong wind, in fact, through fact, gales blowing through exposed northern and northwestern coasts with frequent showers here. A frequent showers here. So a fairly unpleasant day to come here, even if it has stopped raining further south. Weve got spells of rain through wales, the midlands and east anglia continuing through the day, staying dry after the staying largely dry after the early clears in far early mist clears in the far south and southeast. Still warm, but not as as has been. But not as warm as it has been. And then its in the south where the rain comes to a stop on thursday. The rain does ease, thursday. The rain does ease, but it fairly drizzly but it stays fairly drizzly along of these southern along some of these southern counties england , brighter counties of england, brighter skies north. In fact, a skies further north. In fact, a nice sunny day north wales, nice sunny day for north wales, northern much of Northern England, much of scotland ireland. Northern england, much of scotthen ireland. Northern england, much of scotthen on ireland. Northern england, much of scotthen on friday, ireland. Northern england, much of scotthen on friday, furtherind. Northern england, much of scotthen on friday, further wet and then on friday, further wet weather in the south before that clears to Colder Weather well. Hello, good evening. Well. Hello, good evening. Its me, Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nation tonight. State of the nation tonight. Israeli Defence Forces have begun their counterattack on Hamas Terrorists in gaza as the Israeli Death toll surpasses 1000. And while israel has faced the most devastating attack in its history, some people found its history, some people found it appropriate in britain, of all places, to take to our streets with palestinian flags accusing israel of being the aggressor. But israel didnt choose this war. The islamist terrorists on its border did so while closet anti semites attempt to out palestine each other outside the Israeli Embassy in london, israel is are spending their days in fear as family members have been dragged across the border into gaza with terrorist s vowing to murder hostages every time israel strikes back, well be hearing from someone with firsthand experience of this tragedy. Also tonight , experience of this tragedy. Also tonight, well be discussing the economy as the arab an International Monetary fund is back again with its maniac doom fidden back again with its maniac doom ridden economic forecasts claiming britain will be the worst performing economy of the g7 next year. But they were g7 next year. But they were wrong in their forecasts about 2023 induced them into a flip flop. Whos to say they arent wrong . Again . For the umpteenth time . And finally, could we time . And finally, could we could the labour party be in the process of shedding itself of its association with stalinist concrete block architecture . Concrete block architecture . Well, the leader of the opposition has promised to bring more terraced georgian townhouses to britains urban areas in a bid to solve the housing crisis. State of the housing crisis. State of the nafion housing crisis. State of the nation starts now , so. Nation starts now, so. Ill also be ill also be joined by an incisive panel this evening. Gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, and the criminal barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes. As always , i want jerry hayes. As always, i want to hear from you. You know, its a crucial part of the programme. Email me. Mail at gbnews. Com. 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