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Risk . Well, the church of england is taking a bit of a criticism today at the Home Affairs Select committee. You could say that, for one, i mean, theres former darlington priest is really coming out swinging , and hes coming out swinging, and hes very much a whistleblower. Hes saying that essentially people are just being brought to him on are just being brought to him on a asking to be a Conveyor Belt, asking to be baptised. Many of them, many of these Asylum Seekers have already had their claims rejected once and then they come and ask for conversion. And the church of england is obliging. Church of england is obliging. And i a lot of people and i think a lot of people knew was happening. Knew this was happening. This has under for a has been under discussion for a long to hear it from long time, but to hear it from the , to hear it the horses mouth, to hear it from whistleblowers speaking in Parliament Today is nothing short of shocking and raises huge questions for how the church of england operates and, frankly, what the church of england condones. England condones. Yes, and guess whos there asking some of the questions. It is lee addison who of course has defected to reform. Hes been there asking many tough questions. Well bring you some of the highlights. Of course we of the highlights. Of course we will that home affairs of the highlights. Of course we will committee. Ne affairs of the highlights. Of course we will committee. Butffairs of the highlights. Of course we will committee. But the s of the highlights. Of course we will committee. But the church of the highlights. Of course we wi england mittee. But the church of the highlights. Of course we wi england ,|ittee. But the church of the highlights. Of course we wi england , theyve ut the church of the highlights. Of course we wi england , theyve got1e church of the highlights. Of course we wi england , theyve got a church of the highlights. Of course we wi england , theyve got a chlt01 of england, theyve got a lot to answer for. Certainly well they certainly do. Well be getting to some of those questions, answers. But questions, those answers. But indeed much more to come indeed so much more to come after headlines sam. After your headlines with sam. Tom. Emily, thank you very much. Good afternoon from the newsroom. Just gone 12 00. The top story today that new gas top story today is that new gas power plants will be built to protect britains Energy Security. Despite concerns over the potential impact it could have on Climate Change. The government says the new stations are needed to avert what ministers have described as the genuine prospect of blackouts, and to provide a backup for the growing electric economy. Its understood theyll replace existing facilities, many of which are old and due to be retired , and the Prime Minister retired, and the Prime Minister has insisted the uks net zero plan is still on track. But says it must be met in a sustainable way. Labour is supporting the new plans, but Shadow Energy secretary ed miliband has accused the government of failing on its Energy Policies, leading to skyrocketing bills. Leading to skyrocketing bills. Lee anderson says that he wasnt paid to switch from the tories to reform uk, insisting that hes not a mercenary. The former deputy chairman of the conservative party told gb news last night that hes not heard from the Prime Minister since he announced his defection. It announced his defection. It comes after anderson was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for saying that islamists had got control of the london mayor, government minister esther mcvey says that shes disappointed and surprised by mr andersons decision, but said that voting for reform would only deliver a Labour Government after he campaigned for Jeremy Corbyn in 2017. Varne in effect, is now gone full circle and hell be campaigning for keir starmer because, i mean, even he said, a vote for reform is a vote for laboun vote for reform is a vote for labour. So ive clearly misjudged him. Misjudged him. A major conservative donor has apologised today after he reportedly said that former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot. Frank hester donated £10 million to the tories last year. Hes now admitted to making rude comments about miss abbott, but insists they had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. The comments were reported by the Guardian Newspaper and are said to have taken during meeting in taken place during a meeting in 2019. Miss abbott, whos now an independent mp, has described the comments as frightening and worrying and says that she hopes for public support from sir keir starmer. Mr for public support from sir keir starmer. Mr hs2 has also said that he is deeply sorry, adding that he is deeply sorry, adding that he is deeply sorry, adding that he telephoned her to apologise directly for the hurt that hes caused. Some criminals that hes caused. Some criminals will be released early because of a lack of space in overcrowded prisons. It means prisoners serving sentences of less than four years could be let out early. Labour says the move is completely unacceptable and theyve vowed to build new prisons if they win the general election. However, the justice secretary says its just a temporary measure which is needed to alleviate the unsustainable pressure on the prison. The chancellors prison system. The chancellors recent budget only just met fiscal rules with significant risks ahead. Thats according to the office for budget responsibility. The obrs chair, richard hughes, has warned the government that although the budget was responsible, it has one the narrowest margins any one of the narrowest margins any chancellor has ever had against his fiscal targets. Chancellor has ever had against his fiscal targets. Hes also raised concerns about spending on Public Services , with the on Public Services, with the governments current plans set to run in march of next year to run out in march of next year. In other news, andrew tate has been arrested in romania on a uk warrant which could see him extradited here to face trial. It comes after lawyers representing four of his accusers informed British Police that he was planning to flee the country. Tate and his brother tristan are accused of committing Sexual Offences between 2012 and 2015. Allegations they have both rejected the 37 year old and 35 year old are also facing rape and Human Trafficking charges in romania, where they both live. They have also denied those charges. One of britains they have also denied those charges. One of britains most advanced warships is heading back to the red sea to protect Global Shipping from houthi attacks. Hms diamond is joining the joint patrols , just days the joint patrols, just days after the uk and its allies successfully repelled a massive drone and missile attack by the iranian backed militants. The uk joined International Efforts to protect the important shipping route in february, while the deployment is part of a broader response to the ongoing attacks in the region, which also includes intercepting the smuggling weapons yemen. Smuggling of weapons into yemen. And finally, weve heard today that the singer and songwriter eric carmen has died at the age of 74. He rose to fame as part of 74. He rose to fame as part of the pop group the raspberries, but it was this track that carved him a place in popular culture. How my man , the popular culture. How my man, the singer. Popular culture. How my man, the singer. Dont be inspired by Sergei Rachmaninovs piano concerto number two. All by myself. It was a huge hit concerto number two. All by myself. It was a huge hit in 1976. Years later, it then found a new audience when it became the opening theme of the classic film bridget joness diary, and another of his well known hits was hungry eyes, which was featured in the 1987 dance dirty dancing, as well as tracks from the film footloose. His death was announced today by his wife amy, who said it brought her husband great joy to know that his music has touched many. His music has touched so many. Those are the headlines. More coming up with tom and emily. In the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code there on your screen or go to gbnews. Com alerts to gbnews. Com slash alerts. Good afternoon britain. 12 08. And our top story this hour rishi sunak has warned that britain faces a genuine prospect of blackouts if it doesnt boost its gas capacity. Yes, it means the government has committed to building new gas fired power stations, saying the move will help maintain a Reliable Energy source for when the british weather fails to supply enough energy through renewables. Well were joined now by ed gemmell, the leader of the climate party. And ed, isnt there a fundamental truth about renewable bills . Although they can be cheap and they can be very powerful. One thing they arent is sustained, whether its sunny or dark or windy or, more clement, isnt there an issue here that there does need to be a capacity that we can switch on and switch off at the touch of a button, and that capacity is gas. Theres no question that we need the capacity. So obviously were completely in agreement on that. I think everybody is. I think though, that been that the way this has been brought in talking about Energy Security, the prime security, weve got the Prime Minister out talking about its not with energy not gambling with our Energy Security and not being, you know, subjected to whims of know, subjected to the whims of dictators such as putin. And thats why were building these power stations. But its utterly power stations. But its utterly and completely untrue. I mean , and completely untrue. I mean, lets look at it. The point of the of keeping ourselves independent is so that were not reliant on the supply of gas. And if the supply of gas is coming and its controlled by dictators or its subject to world market prices rather than controlled by us, we are much less secure, i guess. And thats why some people, particularly in the conservative party, were very much for fracking. But of course, that did not come to pass. That would have given us more Energy Security , surely. Security, surely. I mean, im not going to be here saying, that here saying, i think that fracking is good idea, but fracking is a good idea, but actually capacity actually getting capacity definitely got definitely is. So weve got a whole load of things that have happened years. Happened over the last 15 years. For the on onshore for instance, the ban on onshore wind, it to be stopped wind, allowing it to be stopped literally one voice in literally by one voice in the local and we local community. And then we havent invested tide wave havent invested in tide in wave in and all of those other in hydro and all of those other things that could have been actually helping us to balance it and britain it out. And after all, britain is surrounded sea tide and is surrounded by sea tide and wave. We should have been investing in heavily for the last 20 or 30 years. And we wouldnt be having these discussions but frankly, discussions now. But frankly, there of things that discussions now. But frankly, therhelp of things that discussions now. But frankly, therhelp us of things that discussions now. But frankly, therhelp us inf things that discussions now. But frankly, therhelp us in 201ings that discussions now. But frankly, therhelp us in 201in� 30that discussions now. But frankly, therhelp us in 201in� 30 years time. It might be tide, it might be wave, it will be nuclear. But these things take a lot of time. Gas is cheap and quick. And frankly, if were going to be switching over to so much more electricity demand, if were all driving electric cars , for driving electric cars, for example, were taking petrol out of the system, were taking oil out of system. Were going out of the system. Were going to gas. Are you at to need more gas. Are you at least pleased with the fact that claire coutinho, the energy secretary, is saying that there will be gas capture and storage, Carbon Capture and storage in these new gas power stations, potentially being a relatively climate neutral option, even though they involve fossil fuels. Well, unless youve been reading reports that i havent reading reports that i havent read , shes talking about them read, shes talking about them being able to be retrofitted. So not actually coming on with Carbon Capture and storage in place, not actually coming on burning would be place, not actually coming on bu|alternative, would be place, not actually coming on bu|alternative, able would be place, not actually coming on bu|alternative, able to ould be place, not actually coming on bu|alternative, able to be d be an alternative, but able to be retrofitted. And that is retrofitted. And that is absolutely regressive. You know, were to build all this were going to build all this stuff now, put huge subsidies into it. And were not actually going to have it working for us both terms our targets and both in terms of our targets and in the new technology. In terms of the new technology. We world in we want to lead the world in Carbon Capture storage as Carbon Capture and storage as well. To do that is well. And the way to do that is invest it locally. If invest in it locally. And if were bringing in plants, were bringing in these plants, which agreeing with which im not agreeing with because think theres better because i think theres better ways it, then must ways of doing it, then they must come capture and come in with Carbon Capture and storage immediately. Not storage in them immediately. Not so then spend so we make them and then spend more on them in the more money on them in the future, to shut future, probably having to shut them we them for a while while we implement carbon and implement Carbon Capture and storage. Its just a very shortsighted way of doing it. Capture and of course, Carbon Capture and storage expensive. Storage is extremely expensive. But just ask you the but just to ask you the question, being warned question, were being warned about blackouts. Do you think we will see blackouts if dont will see blackouts if we dont increase our gas capacity . Do you the Prime Minister . Have to increase we have to increase our capacity. Thats but capacity. Okay. Thats it. But gas. I dont agree gas. What i what i dont agree is going regressively backwards into not into old technologies. Not fitting it out for the future straight away, and spending vast amounts money in time on it amounts of money in time on it when we should investing in when we should be investing in the going to the thing thats going to be there the and lets there all the time. And lets just the energy just one second on the Energy Security, that security, those waves, that tide, solar, wind tide, that solar, that wind cannot be interrupted by putin. You know, we get Energy Security i so you dont you dont think we can reach net zero and increase our gas capacity . I dont think we should be doing it. Its reversing what we should be doing. Look this is all part of a much wider picture as well, which is the enormous opportunity industrially on this planet. We can see where everybody is going towards net zero. They are going get zero. They are going to get there and in order to get towards that, we need industries that supply it. That are going to supply it. This just one part of it, this is just one part of it, the energy system. Needs energy system. And britain needs to we need to bring to get ahead. We need to bring our forward. We to our targets forward. We need to make greater tomorrow make britain greater tomorrow than ever been by leading make britain greater tomorrow thar new ever been by leading make britain greater tomorrow tharnew clean, aen by leading make britain greater tomorrow tharnew clean, industrialding this new clean, Industrial Revolution. And the way we do that investment. Now that is massive investment. Now with ambitious targets and not pandenng with ambitious targets and not pandering to people and pandering away to people and saying, oh, lets row back on a few things and introduce gas again, thats yesterdays tech we tomorrow. We we want to lead tomorrow. We want money for people here. We want money for people here. We want money for people here. We want money our pockets. We want money in our pockets. We need to go forwards this new need to go forwards in this new industrial lead Industrial Revolution and lead it. Backwards. It. Not ray backwards. Its a risk, though, isnt it . Tidal power. It . With tidal tidal power. Very novel , not done a lot of places novel, not done a lot of places around world at least. Wind novel, not done a lot of places arvery world at least. Wind novel, not done a lot of places arvery tested rld at least. Wind novel, not done a lot of places arvery tested. Ld at least. Wind novel, not done a lot of places arvery tested. But least. Wind novel, not done a lot of places arvery tested. But again, wind novel, not done a lot of places arvery tested. But again, the1d is very tested. But again, the wind always wind doesnt always blow. Course ofgem well and of course ofgem as well warning that actually net zero is hit the poorest the is going to hit the poorest the hardest as anyway. Hardest as it stands anyway. Thank gavel, to thank you ed gavel, great to speak you. Leader of the speak to you. Leader of the climate party. Stuff. Climate party. Good stuff. Get now with john lets get more now with john rentoul, chief political rentoul, the chief political commentator for the independent, and john, just firstly on this energy issue, youve been writing about this today. I understand, like understand, and it seems like there a change of tack from there is a change of tack from there is a change of tack from the government when it comes to trying to balance Energy Security with net zero. Well, yeah , its part of well, yeah, its part of rishi sunak shift of emphasis towards what he calls pragmatic and proportionate measures to achieve net zero that dont burden , households with extra burden, households with extra costs. But as you were just heanng costs. But as you were just hearing from ed there, that does imply, that the path towards net zero by 2050 is going to be a bit slower. And, there will be people like him who are going to criticise it. Criticise it. John rishi sunak in the telegraph this morning says the labour party prefers to take a fantasy approach which would put our Energy Security at risk. He says theyre pledged to have no gas in 2020. 2030 would plunge households into darkness. Do you think people will be listening to that . To that . Well, theyll be listening to what ed miliband, the Shadow Energy secretary, has to say. And what is very surprising, i find, is that he actually agrees with the government, which im not quite sure how he reconciles that with labours intention, which is to decarbonise the electricity Electricity Supply five years earlier than the conservative intend to. He wants to do it by 2030, which is going to do it by 2030, which is going to be within five years of a Labour Government. So how a Labour Government. So how a Labour Government. So how a Labour Government is going to be building more gas power stations and achieving net net zero electricity by 2030 . I find hard to hard to reconcile. No, it does seem that that 2030 target i spoken to a couple of people about this. I dont know anyone who actually believes theyll hit it. Is it really still, the labour partys stated ambition . Will it be in their manifesto , this 2030 thing their manifesto, this 2030 thing that no one believes will happen . Apparently. I 7 apparently. I mean, when . Apparently. I mean, when they retreated on their Green Investment plan, the 28 billion a year they said that the 2030 target still stands for decarbonising the entire electricity sector. And as you say, very few people think that that can actually be achieved and certainly can that, you know, the idea that it can be achieved without hitting, hitting customers in the pocket is for the birds, so i think labours got quite a lot of explaining to do, i mean, whatever you think of the, of the governments position, it does least seem to add up. Well, that is fascinating. Within one parliamentary firm, completely decarbonising the entire grid but also massively expanding. Its very difficult for keir starmer, isnt it, because hes got activists within the party who very much side with just stop hes the stop oil. Then hes got the trade unions dont want to trade unions who dont want to lose the fossil fuel lose jobs in the fossil fuel industry. Its quite industry. So its quite difficult for him to manage, i imagine. I ask you, john, imagine. Can i ask you, john, also about whats on the, in the headunes also about whats on the, in the headlines as well, regarding diane abbott and those racist remarks from a tory donor towards her that have surfaced, she said this morning on the television that she was hoping that shed receive public support from keir starmer. A couple of hours later , if that. Couple of hours later, if that. Keir starmer comes saying the remarks are abhorrent and that she has his support. Yeah, i mean, shes not a labour mp, but she is, as she points out, still a member of the labour party , but i mean, the labour party, but i mean, what what frank hester said was , what what frank hester said was, was absolutely unacceptable. And i think trying to turn that into a problem for keir starmer is, is not really a realistic. I mean, it is a problem for the Prime Minister because its an awful lot of money that the conservative party is going to have to hand back and, well, do you think they will have to hand it back . I understand that. I understand that. Well, think well, i feel i well, i think well, i feel i personally they personally feel that they have to know, rishi to because, you know, rishi sunak he would be sunak said that he his would be a government integrity, and i a government of integrity, and i dont how can accept £10 dont see how you can accept £10 million from from such a tainted source. Do we have precedent for that . Do we have precedent for that, the conservative party giving back money when comments have emerged . Have emerged . Well, i think certainly i cant remember details, but i think the i think both parties have actually given back money when it has turned out to be inadmissable in some way, or that, you know, that that the donor has broken the law. I mean, this is this is possibly a more difficult case, but frankly, john, this is money that has been given in the past. These were comments that were made years ago. A lot of this money will have already been spent. They might not able to spent. They might not be able to give back this money. To be very, no, its going to be very, very difficult. I mean, £10 million is lot i mean, £10 million is a lot of money for the of money even for the conservative party, which is planning and spend, a planning to raise and spend, a huge amount in this election yeah huge amount in this election year. But, no, but i think if you say you are going to, you are going to run a government of integrity. You have to stand by your principles and you cant accept money from, from, from somebody like that. Its forced a of but its forced a lot of ministers tory go on ministers and tory mps to go on the airwaves and have to answer whether is racist and whether this guy is racist and whether this guy is racist and whether the money should go back and all of this, it puts them in and all of this, it puts them in a very tricky situation, doesnt it . It really does. I mean, its, you know, its not helping. And you know, its not helping. And to have have ministers go on television to explain why something that is plainly racist is not is not racist, it just makes them look, hes not racist , but his comments were that sort of thing. Well, his comments are clearly, clearly racist. I mean, yeah, of course he maintained a terrible mistake , maintained a terrible mistake, an error. We havent heard the recording of these comments. Weve only seen the reporting of them in the Guardian Newspaper. Hes apologised. Hes apologised. He obviously hes so he obviously said hes apologised something apologised for saying something rude about diane abbott, but he hasnt quoted hasnt admitted the words quoted in the guardian were his words. Well, hasnt thats right. Well, he hasnt denied words. Appears thats right. Well, he hasnt de have words. Appears thats right. Well, he hasnt de have accepted ds. Appears thats right. Well, he hasnt de have accepted that appears thats right. Well, he hasnt de have accepted that that pears thats right. Well, he hasnt de have accepted that that is ars to have accepted that that is thatis to have accepted that that is that is what he said, i mean, he, he his argument is that it was a terrible mistake and he doesnt really mean it. And you know, he shouldnt have said it, but know, i think the but you know, i think the problem is once, once those words are out there, you cant you cant unsay them. You cant unsay them. Well, on that note, thank you very much indeed for your time. John rentoul, chief political commentator for the independent. Always good to speak to you. Well, still come, the well, still to come, the former conservative mp now reform mp, is to cross the reform party mp, is to cross the floor in the commons for the first time, sitting on the opposition benches. Well, should opposition benches. Well, should there be a by election in his constituency . This is good constituency . This is good afternoon britain on gb news. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 12 23. And Lee Andersons decision to defect to the reform party yesterday has driven 1000 new memberships of richard tice party. 1000 people joining reform uk yesterday. Its being called the lee anderson effect , called the lee anderson effect, but. Well, for more on this, lets talk with our gb news Political Editor, christopher hope, christopher , this is a hope, christopher, this is a pretty large surge in membership i yes, a big number average membership fees can be around £37 each. If you take in, an additional donation on top of the £25, annual membership. So its a 25 grand boost to the coffers at least of the reform uk party, maybe as much as £37,000 in one single day. Now that may not carry on. Of course, hes all over the news and front pages of websites, etc. Yesterday and today and well know how far that goes. But it does show, i think the impact of this mp, joining from the independent benches, joining the independent benches, joining the reform uk party. We are waiting for gb news viewers and listeners to tell them when hes going to cross the floor. When he formally joins his, his bench, the independent benches, with others like George Galloway, and from the workers of Britain Party behind the snp and the lib dems. So therell be and the lib dems. So therell be a moment, historic moment in parliament when that happens, when the reform uk gets its first mp on the green benches. Of course, hes been independent, hasnt he, independent, hasnt he, independent after losing the whip tory government whip from the tory government for his remarks about sadiq khan and islamism a two weeks ago on gb news. So thats whats happening. And it is being happening. And it is being called by some already the lee anderson effect. And this anderson effect. And this certainly is what richard tice the wanted to see. The the leader wanted to see. The idea is that i think what will be when it starts taking place is that lee anderson will be the partys spokesman in the north of england, in the red wall seats, almost. And richard tice seats, almost. And richard tice will be the person who can shore up southern base. And that up the southern base. And that kind yin and yang kind of yin and yang relationship tice , and relationship between tice, and anderson is very important. And if that comes off, it could be quite damaging tory quite damaging for the tory party 1000 new members just since, lee anderson announced his defection. Thats a huge number. Do you have any idea how many, conservative members there are . I know anecdotally that lots of people have been, tearing, tearing their conservative membership cards in recent months. Months. You always ask the best questions, emily, thats a good question, the tory party and other parties are less than keen to tell us what the numbers are for memory , its about 160,000, for memory, its about 160,000, at the last count , they put at the last count, they put these figures out in their annual report that they published in february or march every year. So we dont know what the updated version is, but its about 100, 100, 140, 50,000 or so ive asked reform uk, what their number is and they wont tell me. Ive got a quote just tell me. Ive got a quote just sent to me, sent to me by richard tice , he tells gb news richard tice, he tells gb news this hour, a Record Number of over 1000 new members joining reform in one day is proof of just how popular lee anderson is proving amongst red wall voters, andifs proving amongst red wall voters, and its why hell be such a powerful red bull champion for us. So clearly theres a theres a big bonus here for richard tice and indeed for lee anderson, that a lot of people are flocking to join the reform uk party in the wake of his defection. But of course, well defection. But of course, well wait and see in the coming weeks and months if theyll let that short tum benefit is a long terme one . Of course it is just 0. 0001. Or is it . No, 0. 0014 of the population is a thousand people 25 grand. Yes a huge amount of money. But you compare it to the £10 million we were talking about that was given to the tories by one donor. This is still small fry. Still small fry. Of course it is small fry. Tom, i will wait and see. I mean, other things havent happened yet. The reform uk party. No one knows nigel party. No one knows what nigel farage do with his with farage might do with his with his career. Currently hes a presenter of course, presenter on gb news of course, but im just its an indication, i that for some people in i think that for some people in the country, lee hanson is good news that the reform uk party, of its completely small of course, its completely small beer money of course, its completely small beer describing money of course, its completely small beer describing there noney of course, its completely small beer describing there given to youre describing there given to established parties like the union money to labour, the big donor money to the tory party and reform uk is a challenger brand. You everyone brand. But, you know, everyone starts somewhere. Starts somewhere. And chris, i just want to get your to esther your reaction to what esther mcvey. Go on. Mcvey. Sorry sorry. Go on. Forgive me just while im on air. Ive had a text from lee anderson, hes due to be in the house of commons just after1 p. M. House of commons just after1 pm. So during your show, we hopefully well see. Lee hanson crossing the floor. And. Thats right. Earlier, esther mcvey was right. Earlier, esther mcvey was one of those members of the cabinet who were filmed going in and going out of cabinet. Weve got the video actually. Chris, should we have a little look . Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. After he campaigned for Jeremy Corbyn in 2017, in effect is now gone full circle and hell be campaigning for keir starmer because i mean even he said a vote for reform is a vote for labour. So ive clearly misjudged him. Misjudged him. Not impressed. Not impressed. Forgive me that i was i well i was i was just going to indicate yes, yes indeed i think thatis indicate yes, yes indeed i think that is telling. I think esther mcvey is in there is the Cabinet Office minister. Shes a minister for common sense. Mp for tatton, of course. And she would think she knows the red wall pretty well. And the point she was making is what anyone would make is lee anderson, would make is that lee anderson, winning of a thousand winning support of a thousand people money people yesterday, paying money to uk and in to support the reform uk and in fact, maybe voting for him in ashfield could will just and across the country, if the hanson does manage to win, more support for the party across the country will mean that , keir country will mean that, Keir Starmers may win more seats than the tory party because the tories lose seats to reform uk. And thats the point. Shes making and which any tory will make. Helping keir make. Are you helping keir starmer by voting reform and voting lee anderson . Voting for lee anderson . Guess question is and i guess the question is really what should the conservative party the conservative party do in the face of this threat from reform . Should they move closer to the reform party on certain policies or should they, take a different course of action . Well, that that is the question. The tory party must answer. I was struck when we were lucky enough to be in darlington with rishi sunak, and he was his q a with our he was doing his q a with our with viewers and sort of independent and independent selected voters, and they asked him about levelling up and Everything Else. And at the end he said, what about tax cuts . Do you know tax cuts . You want to know about tax cuts . And while in and it struck me that while in the south of england, tax cuts is big issue in the north, is a big issue in the north, often they want is spending often what they want is spending from lift from the government to help lift their communities and levelling up getting up money. And i think getting that message right is what the what the tory party needs to do more of recognise. There are two different constituencies more of recognise. There are two differ different ituencies more of recognise. There are two differDifferent Things es more of recognise. There are two differDifferent Things from this government. Of course, were also here to heanng of course, were also here to hearing today about a Different Energy policy. How that energy policy. How much has that been influenced by the reform party . Possibly bit. Party . Quite possibly a bit. Christopher hope, thank you very much for talking us through, a sensational day in politics, as were expecting the official crossing of the floor to take place at 1 00. And lee anderson already booted out of the carlton club, which a tory club in central which is a tory club in central london. A very posh club, very posh club. Comfortable. Lee . Well, how comfortable. Lee . Well, i dont know who told that. Dont know who told me that. They werent sure thatcher. They werent sure what do thatcher because what to do with thatcher because obviously all men, obviously it was an all men, an all male club. So you said all male club. And so you said that they her an honorary man. They did indeed. Now they did indeed. They now accept but the accept female members. But the carlton club, this sort of traditional conservative club, its actually where the 1922 committee came from in 1923, funnily enough, where they were meeting in the carlton club, where lots of conservative mps are a member if they want to get away from parliament and politic and plot, have a drink and a cigar. More like , no, no female cigar. More like, no, no female members, until that changed. But yes, thatcher was considered an honorary man so she could be a member. And now her portrait hangs , in the big grand sort of. Hangs, in the big grand sort of. Well, there you go. A little bit of trivia for you this afternoon. But still to come, theres a Conveyor Belt of christian conversions to help Asylum Seekers remain in britain. Claim made Asylum Seekers remain in brita former claim made Asylum Seekers remain in brita former priest claim made Asylum Seekers remain in brita former priest toaim made by a former priest to a committee of mps. Well be discussing that after your headunes. Headlines. Tom. Emily, thanks very much. Good afternoon from the newsroom. Just after 1230, a recap of the headlines. A major conservative donor has now apologised after he reportedly said that former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot. Frank hester donated £10 million to the tories last year. £10 million to the tories last year. Hes £10 million to the tories last year. Hes now admitted making rude comments about miss abbott, but insists they had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. The comments were reported by the comments were reported by the guardian and are said to have place during have taken place during a meeting in 2019. Miss abbott, whos an independent mp, has whos now an independent mp, has described the comments as frightening and worrying and says she hopes for public support from sir keir starmer. Mr hester says hes deeply sorry, that hed sorry, adding that hed telephoned her to apologise directly for any hurt he directly for any hurt that he may caused. New gas power may have caused. New gas power plants will be built to protect britains Energy Security. Thats despite concerns over the potential impact on Climate Change. The government says the new stations are needed to avert what ministers have described as the genuine prospect of blackouts, and to provide a backup for the growing electric economy. Its understood theyll replace existing facilities , replace existing facilities, many of which are old and due to be retired. The Prime Minister insists the uks net zero plan is still on track, but says it must be met in a sustainable way. As weve been hearing lee anderson has said that he wasnt paid to switch from the tories to reform uk , insisting that to reform uk, insisting that hes not a mercenary. The former deputy chairman of the conservatives told gb news that hes not heard from the Prime Minister since he announced his defection. It comes after anderson was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for islamists had for saying that islamists had got control of the london mayor and andrew tate has now appeared in a Romanian Court after he was arrested on a british warrant. It comes after lawyers representing four of his accusers informed British Police that he was planning to flee the country. Tate and his brother tristan are accused of committing Sexual Offences and Human Trafficking , which they Human Trafficking, which they both. For the latest both deny. For the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code on your screen or visit our website gb news. Common alerts i right. Emma right. Its 1238. Youre watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. Now shockingly, nearly 4 Million People are at of abandoning people are at risk of abandoning work altogether amid a post lockdown increase in benefits paid to claimants who do not even have to find a job. And 1 in 5 adults, 1 in 5. Thats between the ages of 18 and 64 are not even looking for work. But does the benefit system risk moving people away from finding work . Yes. Curious well, lets pose that question to devon gilani, director and founder of policy in practice, which helps families get benefits they can qualify for. Thank you very much for joining us, devon. There are forjoining us, devon. There are it is the benefit system somehow encouraging people to move away from finding work . Whats going on here . It seems to be a shocking number of people who are on out of work benefits of one or another. Yeah one type or another. Yeah so we looked at it and the number of people without work requirements going requirements has been going up, but to and but we wanted to try and understand why. We looked some so what we looked at was some of numbers the of the numbers before the pandemic, all the way pandemic, from 2015 all the way through 2023. And through through to 2023. And what you saw is that before the pandemic, such as pandemic, reforms such as universal credit meant that more people expected to look for work. So you saw an in the so you saw an increase in the number who were out of number of people who were out of work requirements. Work facing work requirements. What you saw and then what you saw post pandemic almost post pandemic was almost a reversal trend seeing post pandemic was almost a reverspeople trend seeing post pandemic was almost a reverspeople who end seeing post pandemic was almost a reverspeople who were seeing post pandemic was almost a reverspeople who were seiofg post pandemic was almost a reverspeople who were seiof work more people who were out of work and not expected to look for work because they were too sick to ill, and there had been a growing number of people in whats called the support group or the limited capability for work related activity. We work related activity. So we want understand why want to try and understand why that. And i think are that was. And i think there are three main that you can three main drivers that you can see. Before the see. So firstly, before the pandemic, did see this pandemic, you did see this tightening for tightening of expectations for people look for work. You people to look for work. And you did that working did see some of that working initially, then what you saw initially, but then what you saw were reforms 2017. So were reforms in 2017. So changing how your disability benefits worked, which made it harder people who were, harder for people who were, maybe just a little bit ill to get any support at all. So they, they would be able to get, you know, support, maybe know, some support, maybe £30 a week so, and they might be on week or so, and they might be on that for a bit and then be able to get back into work. But that was eliminated as part of austerity, which meant that those people didnt that those people didnt have that support. We think they a lot of those sicker , a lot those people got sicker, a lot of then then only had the of people then then only had the opfion of people then then only had the option apply the more option to apply for the more stringent maybe heavier. Stringent but, maybe heavier. Long time out of work group. So we think some of those people that would have gone back into work been on short work or maybe been on short terms, sick and gone back into work, moved, moved work, have now moved, were moved on long terms sick. On to long terms sick. So i think thats thats a really interesting point, devon, because that these because it might mean that these people unfit people arent necessarily unfit to work, but in order to claim some money, they might have to say that they are the system from 2017 onwards is almost incentivising people to say , no, incentivising people to say, no, im completely unfit to work. Whereas before there was sort of a middle option for people who perhaps werent completely fighting fit but werent, unable to work entirely, it seems like weve moved to an all or nothing system, perhaps. I think we have moved more to an all or nothing system. Thats true, and i dont think thats been very good. I mean, that was one of reasons. I think the one of the reasons. I think the other reason that we had other big reason is that we had a pandemic were still a pandemic and were still recovering. Speak to a lot recovering. So we speak to a lot of policy and practice, speaks to organisations the to lots of organisations on the front them, we front line. We support them, we work one of the work with them. One of the things is a of things were hearing is a lot of the people that are out of work, would back work would like to get back into work but health but arent getting the Health Support enough. But arent getting the health su;as rt enough. But arent getting the health su;as rt this enough. But arent getting the health su;as rt this change nough. But arent getting the health su;as rt this change torgh. So as well as this change to benefits, youve also got Health System get system thats struggling to get that, to get people healthy again. Think what you saw again. So i think what you saw is some people who perhaps, maybe didnt apply for that, long time out of work, group initially, but they got sicker. So if they do get sicker , then, so if they do get sicker, then, theyre going to theyre going to apply and theyre going to be successful applying and theyre not to be expected not going to be expected to look for work. So thats thats i think a second reason is the health hasnt able Health System hasnt been able to get to keep up with. Yeah, or get people back on their feet with demand with demand not being able to keep up with the demand on the service. Devon, how common and but, devon, how common and widespread is abuse of the benefit system . Of course, we benefit system . Of course, we hear stories of particular cases of people taking the mick. How prevalent do you believe that is . 7 soi 7 so i think imam 52mm . So i think its i think its overblown. Would be my summary overblown. Would be my summary considerably overblown. I think when you look at fraud and error, you always combine those two. And error is always considerably greater than fraud in system. You know, in the benefit system. You know, at the same time, you know, whenever there is someone that has been taking advantage of the benefit theyre the ones benefit system, theyre the ones that perhaps are more likely to end up on show or on the end up on your show or on the front of the of the front pages of the of the newspaper. Thats more newspaper. And thats been more of the last, as of a trend over the last, as weve seen austerity go kind of come say, actually , come through to say, actually, you system too you know, the benefit system too generous. See generous. Well, what we see a little bit ill and youre on long sickness benefits. Long terme sickness benefits. It not . Well, if they are a little bit ill, they probably wouldnt be on long terms sick. So i think there were people who were perhaps bit ill got perhaps a little bit ill and got sicker because werent sicker, because they werent able support able to get the Health Support that they needed. I think that they needed. So i think a lot this is about the, the, lot of this is about the, the, the around and the the support around it. And the third identified third reason that we identified in worth in our report, its worth mentioning , in our report, its worth mentioning, is if people mentioning, is if those people that terms sick were that are on long terms sick were to to try and get to take steps to try and get back work, and they back into work, and then they were they then face were reassessed. They then face what is kind of a much more punitive back work regime, punitive back to work regime, with the of sanctions, with with the risk of sanctions, with the its seen as the risk of, its seen as something to avoid, and i think that there are some id say this and the and the rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, youve seen much more of a support active approach. Maybe the rhetoric hasnt changed, actually the hasnt changed, but actually the policies little bit more policies are a little bit more supportive. Governments supportive. So the governments back better than back to work plan is better than another plan, because much another plan, because its much more than this feast. More of a taper than this feast. Famine that and famine system that that came previously , but devon came in previously, but devon gilani, im afraid we have run out of time there. I really appreciate your thoughts on this issue, really, really fascinating stuff, actually. And youve got one senior mp saying, conscription is the answer. If you refuse multiple jobs. Answer. If you refuse multiple jobs. So if youre offered three jobs. So if youre offered three jobs. So if youre offered three jobs and you continue to refuse those jobs, then off you go to the army. Im not sure how much use youll be, but, one idea well be debating later. Very interesting i find it very interesting how lots of people say conscription is the answer. Lots of people say that apart from people in the military who say, please , please dont the please, please dont send the feckless layabouts of society into the army, i dont know, there are some people in the army who think it might be a good idea, perhaps a little a different version of actually putting on front putting them on the front line. But best, the best thing but the best, the best thing about the british army its about the british army is its always a professional always been a professional army. Its never had same sort of its never had the same sort of conscription continental its never had the same sort of conscri|have continental its never had the same sort of conscri|have had, continental its never had the same sort of conscri|have had, that nental its never had the same sort of conscri|have had, that armies armies have had, that armies elsewhere in the world have had. Its always been a bit smaller, but a lot more professional. And you victories that you look at the victories that the british and the british army and particularly british navy particularly the british navy have throughout. Have achieved throughout. There was a lot of high there was a lot of a high profile voices were profile army voices who were calling conscription calling for conscription in the face of a potential world war iii. Still face of a potential world war 111. Still to come , 111. But anyway, still to come, war details of a war still to come. Details of a claim a former priest war still to come. Details of a clairthe a former priest war still to come. Details of a clairthe church a former priest war still to come. Details of a clairthe church isformer priest war still to come. Details of a clairthe church is conductingt that the church is conducting a Conveyor Belt of christian conversions to help Asylum Seekers britain. Well seekers remain in britain. Well bnng seekers remain in britain. Well bring on bring you the very latest on those shocking revelations i good afternoon. Britain. It is coming up to 10 to 1. And mps are examining the role of conversions to christianity in the granting of asylum to the uk, with contributions from members of the clergy. Yes. Questions over conversions were raised after the clapham chemical attack in january. Abdul ezedi had been granted permission to stay after converting following two previous failed attempts, which has raised a lot of questions. A lot of questions. Well, lets discuss this with our home and security editor, mark white, whos been watching the affairs in the house of commons. And, mark, this has been a pretty shocking set of revelations. Shocking set of revelations. Yes, indeed. I mean, you mentioned, of course, the clapham chemical attacker there, but weve also had the recent revelations that some 40 Asylum Seekers on the bibby stockholm barge appear to be in the process of actively trying to convert to christianity. And we had the suicide bomber up in liverpool, the liverpool Maternity Hospital that he unsuccessfully, thankfully tried to bomb back in 2021, ended up only killing himself. To bomb back in 2021, ended up only killing himself. But he had also converted to christianity in an attempt to be able to strengthen his to case stay in the uk. Well, today in the Home Affairs Committee at the house of commons, we have been hearing evidence from reverend Matthew Firth , who was a parish priest firth, who was a parish priest for the church of england in darlington between 2018 and 2020, and he said he became really quite concerned about what was happening with groups of young men that were being taken to his church regularly. Every few weeks or so, with a request for them to be baptised into christianity. Of course, into christianity. Of course, they were muslims and the suspicion throughout this whole, case, in terms of there being a gaming off the asylum system, is that what Asylum Seekers are trying to do by converting to christianity is to try to strengthen the case, because they can claim that under apostasy , apostasy rules, in apostasy, apostasy rules, in islam , the strict interpretation islam, the strict interpretation of that would mean a death sentence if they return to their own countries. One of the main reasons behind why its claimed there are so many conversions to christianity. Well, this is what christianity. Well, this is what reverend Matthew Firth told that committee a little earlier, week in, week out , committee a little earlier, week in, week out, you committee a little earlier, week in, week out , you know, in, week out, you know, significant groups of mainly iranian and syrian young male Asylum Seekers were being brought to me in in sizeable cohorts. At a time sort of, you know, 6 or 7 people brought to me, by, you know, people saying that these need baptism, these these people need baptism. People need baptism. Well, the reverend, firth said that there was a Conveyor Belt, effectively, of those trying to get converted to christianity. He said when he became suspicious, he called a halt to it by effectively trying to ensure that anybody who wanted to convert to christianity had to attend the church regularly over long penods church regularly over long periods of time to ensure that they were fully committed and involved in church activity. When he did that, the number of applications he said, fell off a cliff. Well, amongst some of the other witnesses weve been heanng other witnesses weve been hearing from, they included the bishop of chelmsford. Now, she was disputing the claims that there was effectively a Conveyor Belt of conversion to christianity from Asylum Seekers. This is what she told the committee. The committee. You know, our churches respond to to, local need, however it presents itself. Thats a totally separate issue to saying that we are kind of quickly and easily and freely baptising large numbers in order to scam the asylum processing. To scam the asylum processing. I think that the notion that the church of england is currently being a Conveyor Belt for baptisms , in order for for baptisms, in order for people to gain their asylum status, i dont recognise that comment. Now the bishop also said that, baby , one of the said that, baby, one of the reasons why so many Asylum Seekers are trying to convert to christianity is because of the increasingly hostile environment towards Asylum Seekers, and they see a warm welcome from the church. That was what she said in her evidence. Latterly, weve been evidence. Latterly, weve been heanng evidence. Latterly, weve been hearing from the immigration minister , Tom Pursglove, and minister, Tom Pursglove, and i think one of the more extraordinary, revelations, i think, to come out of today wasnt just what we were hearing from reverend firth, but actually from the minister that they dont have any data sets to give us any indication of how many Asylum Seekers , who are in many Asylum Seekers, who are in the process currently or in the process previously had converted to christianity. This is what he told the committee. We are actively working to improve the data set that we have around this issue. So one of the challenges is that the legacy it systems that we have been working on do not capture data in this area very effectively. The home secretary and i have been very clear in asking officials that we want to see greater itemised data in that area and we are currently working through publication around that. And i think that around that. And i think that youre absolutely right to touch on the data point. I think all of us want to see an improvement in terms quality of data in terms of the quality of data that around decision that we have around Decision Making asylum space. Making in the asylum space. Goodness me, mark, we dont have data. Weve got have the data. Weve got anecdotes on both sides. But frankly , weve got some frankly, weve got some seemingly very gullible priests saying that the church is warm and welcoming and thats why youve got 40 conversions from the bibby stockholm mark. Unfortunately, thats all the time weve got left , but well time weve got left, but well speak to you later on. I hope to find out more, but coming up should work. Shy brits be conscripted. Be having conscripted. Well be having that. That debate. A brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello again. Heres your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. More rains to come as we go through the next few days, especially in the northwest. But especially in the northwest. But it to be mild, albeit it is going to be mild, albeit also because we have an also windy because we have an area of low pressure developing currently the northwest currently towards the northwest of the uk that is then dragging in our from the southwest, in our air from the southwest, which a mild direction, but which is a mild direction, but it dragging some pretty it is dragging some pretty cloudy air into, which is why its picture and its a cloudy picture and staying cloudy as we go through the overnight. Few the evening and overnight. A few drizzly outbreaks for england the evening and overnight. A few driz;wales, reaks for england the evening and overnight. A few driz;wales, butzs for england the evening and overnight. A few driz;wales, but across ngland the evening and overnight. A few driz;wales, but across scotland and wales, but across scotland and wales, but across scotland and northern ireland. Here we have some heavy, persistent rain pushing and that will pushing its way in and that will reach the far north of england and on too. It is and wales later on too. It is going be a mild night, going to be a mild night, temperatures for temperatures not dropping for many perhaps many of us. Perhaps something a little pushing little bit fresher pushing in towards north uk. Towards the far north of the uk. That band of then edges that band of rain then edges a little further southwards as little bit further southwards as we go through but it we go through tomorrow, but it doesnt any quick progress, doesnt make any quick progress, so is going linger and so it is going to linger and stall parts northern stall across parts of northern england, central england, northern, central wales, to the south of this mostly much of mostly dry across much of central southern england and wales brightness, wales could be some brightness, particularly the east, particularly towards the east, and here temperatures should get to highs of around 15 or 16 celsius, a little bit colder than this across northern parts, but chance seeing but a greater chance of seeing some skies. But a greater chance of seeing some skies. But but a greater chance of seeing some skies. But watch out some sunny skies. But watch out for the strong winds, especially in of gales in the far north. Risk of gales here we go through later on here as we go through later on tomorrow. Of rain tomorrow. That band of rain edges a little bit further northwards pushes into northwards again pushes into parts scotland, staying drier parts of scotland, staying drier towards south, more towards the south, but more rain towards the south, but more rain to go through the end to come as we go through the end of the week, albeit friday is looking and looking more showery and saturday should start dry. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 1 00 on tuesday, the 12th of march. Britain faces blackouts. Thats the warning from the Prime Minister as the government commits to building new gas power stations. Critics say it power stations. Critics say it will see the uk failing to meet net zero targets. And the tory donor, who said diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shocked. His apology is not accepted by the labour leader, keir starmer, who calls the comments abhorrent, benefits britain for Million People are now receiving out of work benefits without even having to look for a job. One senior mp suggests work shy brits should now be conscripted into the army if they continue to refuse new jobs. Well be having that debate and prison release. Criminals will be released up to two months early in a desperate bid to free up space in crammed jails or our packed prisons, putting the public at risk. Well, we were talking about the number of people on out of work benefits. It seems to be a hugely shocking number, really . Hugely shocking number, really . Yeah, considering. And we spoke to an expert whos done a lot of research this area, and research into this area, and jills not happy. She says, jills not very happy. She says, how dare you say that people who are a little bit ill are fraudulent claims, especially when turns long terme when it turns into long terme sickness. Said it sickness. The guy said it wouldnt be a little bit ill if it long. Terme. Youre it turned long. Terme. Youre always discriminating us always discriminating against us who sick of who cannot work, and im sick of it. That wasnt what i was trying to do. I was just trying to ask him the question and find out whats happening in out exactly whats happening in the system, because theres been an absolutely huge rise in the number on long time number of people on long time sickness, on out of work benefits want get to benefits and just want to get to the reason not saying the reason why not saying everyone out of work benefits everyone on out of work benefits on long time sickness is taking the mick absolute. Not. That is not what im saying. Its never been easier to get a job in britain. Its never been easier. Been easier. But if you do a job, if youve got a form your laptop in your bed, working from home has become the norm. Actually, for many people who are completely fighting fit, they do what, two out of five days working from home . I think if anything, we should have seen these numbers come down after these numbers come down after the pandemic because of flexible work, because of flexible working, if you can, if you can send emails from your laptop, there are lots of jobs that that would entail that theres also the point about a lot of people writing in to say, because minimum jobs dont pay minimum wage jobs dont pay enough benefits. Often you know, are more and more than what you can earn in a, in a in an entry level job, which are in a minimum wage job, i think is wrong. Should you should always you should you should always be in and be better off in work. And that probably means that there are some where benefit some areas where the benefit system is too generous. I do the nhs but i do think the nhs waiting list probably do have something the fact something to do with the fact that of people that a lot of people are languishing out work languishing on on out of work benefits. Benefits. The cost of and indeed the cost of housing this country is housing in this country is obviously big contributing obviously a big contributing factor jobs. Factor to those, low paid jobs. Not going as far as they used to. Its not an easy thing, but i do think its right that the government looks at this and tries to find ways getting tries to find ways of getting people back into work, but lets let you think. Let us know what you think. Vaiews gbnews. Com. But its your headlines. First. Tom. Emily, thanks very much. Good afternoon from the newsrooms. Just after 1 00, the top story this hour. A spokesperson for the Prime Minister has now said that comments made by tory donor frank hester about diane abbott were clearly unacceptable, but declined to say whether they were racist. Frank hester reportedly said the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women, and that she should be shot. He admitted making rude comments but insists they had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. Miss abbott, whos now an independent mp , has whos now an independent mp, has described the comments as frightening and worrying and says that she hopes for public support from sir keir starmer. Well, mr hester, who donated £10 million to the tories last year, says he is deeply sorry , adding says he is deeply sorry, adding that he telephoned miss abbott to apologise for the hurt he has caused. New gas power plants caused. New gas power plants will be built to protect britains Energy Security, despite concerns over the potential impact on Climate Change. The government says the new stations are needed to avert what ministers have described as the genuine prospect of blackouts and provide a backup for the growing electric economy. Its understood theyll replace existing facilities many of which are old and due to be retired. The Prime Minister insists the uks net zero plan is still on track, but says that it must be met in a sustainable way. Labour supports the new plans, but Shadow Energy secretary ed miliband has accused the government of failing on its Energy Policies, leading to what hes called skyrocketing bills. 1000 people skyrocketing bills. 1000 people have joined the reform uk party yesterday after Lee Andersons defection from the tories. The former deputy chairman of the conservatives told gb news last night that hes not heard from the Prime Minister since he announced that defection. It comes after anderson was stripped of the conservative whip month over his refusal whip last month over his refusal to apologise saying that to apologise for saying that islamists got control of the islamists had got control of the london mayor, sadiq khan, government minister esther mcvey says shes disappointed and surprised by mr andersons decision, but said that voting for reform would only deliver a Labour Government after he campaigned for Jeremy Corbyn in 2017, in effect is now gone. Full circle and hell be campaigning for keir starmer because , i mean, even he said, because, i mean, even he said, a vote for reform is a vote for laboun vote for reform is a vote for labour. So ive clearly misjudged him. Misjudged him. Some criminals will be released early because of a lack of space in overcrowded prisons. It means prisoners serving sentences of less than four years could be let out early. Years could be let out early. Labour says the move is completely unacceptable, vowing to build new prisons if it wins the general election. However the general election. However the justice secretary says its a temporary measure which is needed to alleviate unsustainable pressure on the prison system. Andrew tate has prison system. Andrew tate has been arrested in romania on a uk warrant, which could see him extradited here to face trial. It comes after lawyers representing four of his accusers informed British Police that he was planning to flee the country. Tate and his brother , country. Tate and his brother, Christian Tristan rather, are accused of committing Sexual Offences between 2012 and 2015, allegations they have both rejected the 37 year old and 35 year old are also facing rape and Human Trafficking charges in romania, where they both live. Romania, where they both live. They have denied those two. One of britains most advanced warships is now heading back to the red sea to protect Global Shipping from houthi attacks. Shipping from houthi attacks. Hms diamond has joined the joint patrols just days after the uk and its allies successfully repelled a massive drone and missile attack backed by the iranian backed militants. The uk joined International Efforts to protect the important shipping route in february. The deployment is part of a broader response to the ongoing houthi attacks, which also includes intercepting the smuggling of weapons into yemen. Well, back weapons into yemen. Well, back here in the uk, more than 20 snakes, including a massive 17 foot constrictor thats around five metres just over five metres long, have been found deadin metres long, have been found dead in wales, discarded in boxes, bin bags and pillowcases. The rspca is urgently appealing for information after that discovery was made alongside a road in pembrokeshire. Inspector road in pembrokeshire. Inspector keith hogben says its one of the worst cases hes seen in 25 years. Post mortem examinations are being arranged and the Animal Welfare charity is actively investigating the origin of those animals. Actively investigating the origin of those animals. And origin of those animals. And finally, the singer and songwriter eric carmen has died today at the age of 74. He rose today at the age of 74. He rose to fame as part of the pop group the raspberries. But it was this the raspberries. But it was this track that carved him a place in popular culture. Come by my sinner. Popular culture. Come by my sinner. Dont be inspired by Sergei Rachmaninovs piano concerto number two. All by myself was a huge hit in 1976. Years later, it found a new audience when it became the opening theme of the classic film bridget joness diary, and another his well known hits another of his well known hits was , which was was hungry eyes, which was featured in 1987. Dirty dancing, as as tracks for the film as well as tracks for the film footloose. Well, his death was announced today by his wife amy, who said it brought her husband great joy to know that music great joy to know that his music had so many. Great joy to know that his music had so many. Those are had touched so many. Those are the headlines. For more. You can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen, or go to our website, gb news. Common alerts. Good afternoon britain. Its 1 09 and rishi sunak has today warned that british britain faces a genuine prospect of blackouts if it doesnt boost its gas capacity. Yes, the government has announced commitments to building new gas fired power stations. They say its to help maintain a Reliable Energy source for when the british weather fails to supply enough energy through renewables. Well, lets get more with Liam Halligan now. Our gb news economics and Business Editor with on the money. Liam, heres with on the money. Liam, heres the fundamental point about renewables. In most cases, theyre not reliable. Theyre not reliable. Look, the uk has completely transformed its energy mix where we get our electricity from over the last couple of decades, as recently as the turn of the century. So 2003, 4 or 5, we were still using coal fired power stations for 30. Sometimes 40 of our electricity. That number is now 1 or 2 at most renewables. On the other hand, renewables. On the other hand, are some days up at 30 or 40 of our electricity mix. The trouble our electricity mix. The trouble is, tom and emily, as the Prime Minister has pointed out, and its good to see some realism now in this net zero debate. Renewables only work when the wind is blowing and or the sun is shining , wind is blowing and or the sun is shining, and its very hard to store Energy Battery Technology Just isnt there yet. And so when renewables arent working and often in the uk, theyre not. We have lots of rainy , dull, windless days in rainy, dull, windless days in this part of the world. We have to rely on backup. Otherwise the lights simply go out and the backup, the only energy that you can really fire up on demand is gas fired power stations. And thats why the Prime Minister, given that we got 32 gas fired power stations in this country and a lot of them are coming to the end of their natural lives, the end of their natural lives, the Prime Minister is saying, we need to have more gas fired power. And look, power stations. And look, theres something going on about theres something going on about the generate electricity the way we generate electricity in this country because we have one of the highest renewable shares of Electricity Generation in the western world. That means we have to have lots of backup in terms of gas fired power stations that are there and ready to be literally fired up. Thats where the phrase comes from. When renewables cant deliver on a certain day. And its very, very, very expensive. Its very, very, very expensive. Have to have gas fired power stations just on standby , stations just on standby, staffed, ready to go if theyre not actually generating electricity and thus generating revenue. And by definition, a lot of these backup ones, theyre often not generating electricity and generating revenue, but they are when we need them. This is why tom and emily, even though you hear politicians talking endlessly about cheap renewables, cheap renewables , and we do have lots renewables, and we do have lots of renewables in this country, we have very , very expensive we have very, very expensive domestic and commercial electricity. Its the highest of pretty much any country in western europe and the western world, because our High Renewables share means we have to have these expensive gas fired power stations not providing baseload power, but spare ones ready to go staffed mad and ready to be fired up literally at the flick of a switch. So until we sort out this Battery Technology , until this Battery Technology, until we can store renewables effectively and at the moment we cant, the technology is just not there. Were going to have very, very expensive electricity in country because weve in this country because weve got lots of renewables. So liam, is what youre saying, that the government can build power build these new gas power stations, may not to lead stations, but it may not to lead to any cheaper bills. What it will do , it will it what it will do, it will it will mean that we are in less dangen will mean that we are in less danger. Emily, of the lights going out. And thats obviously going out. And thats obviously a good thing. But it wont solve the central conundrum of this whole net zero debate, which almost no politician wants to address. Everyones just saying, of course we need more renewables, cheap renewables. Renewables, cheap renewables. Theyre great. Theyre great. Its just trotted out mindlessly by endless politicians to the most senior level, even though the fact that we got lots of renewables is making our electricity more expensive because store renewable because we cant store renewable power, have power, so we have to have expensive gas fired power stations on standby. Look gas fired power stations are much, much, much , much better than much, much, much better than coal fired power stations. When it comes to net zero, gas is, of course, a fossil fuel. You know, course, a fossil fuel. You know, natural gas is made up of decomposing vegetation under enormous pressure, Just Like Oil is, but its a much less carbon intensive fossil fuel than oil or certainly coal. And a lot of the environmental lobby would agree with that. So having gas fired power stations on standby, if they facilitate the further development of renewables, then the green lobby should be happy about that. And they should also be happy if gas fired power stations stop the lights going out because believe you me, tom and emily, if suddenly we have intermittent energy, the lights go out. You know, hospitals lose power, schools lose power, homes lose power. Power, schools lose power, homes lose power. This debate about net zero will become very, very, very , very nasty very, very very, very nasty very, very quickly. So i think this is a grown up move by the Prime Minister. Its a move i personally welcome as somebody who follows the Energy Industry very, very closely. But id say this tom and emily, what took him so long. No really, really pertinent question there. Thank you very much, Liam Halligan, for that explanation. Lets ask now , the explanation. Lets ask now, the labour member of parliament, Graham Stringer, precisely what the labour partys policy is here, because the conservatives are saying we need this gas to avoid blackouts. The labour avoid blackouts. The labour party has so far not really responded in any large way to this and in mean meanwhile, its Labour Party Policy to have a complete electricity green grid by 2030, implying no gas at all by 2030, implying no gas at all by 2030. Thats just not realistic, is it . No, its absolutely not. I think that what we are getting at the moment is , is a dose of at the moment is, is a dose of reality and moving away from a fantasy energy policy. The government have not told us how much net zero will cost in total the technology to produce, net zero, including reserve energy and batteries, isnt there, as well as, the ability to build Nuclear Power to give you baseload, isnt there . We have gone too far , too quickly with gone too far, too quickly with renewables. What it has meant is not been a reduction in Carbon Dioxide. It has meant that, dioxide. It has meant that, industry has moved to china and southeast asia, where even more Carbon Dioxide is being produced. And our economy has been seriously damaged. So i see this as a first step to moving to a more, objectively based , to a more, objectively based, energy policy. So how does keir starmer respond to this then . Its still appears to be a labour policy that they want a completely decarbonised grid by 2030. All power is renewable and green and no fossil fuels at all when it comes to electricity. So what does keir starmer need to do . Because its quite difficult, isnt it . Because theres a huge number green activists within number of green activists within the party would the labour party who would be furious he started talking furious if he started talking about the need for fuels . About the need for fossil fuels . Theres a lot of activists within the labour party who care about poor people at the moment, poor people are paying through the nose for the transition that weve made so far, to green , weve made so far, to green, energy, its paid for, effectively by the poorest people paying it on their energy bills for the extra cost of, producing wind farm farms. Give Graham Stringer, is this you calling on howard . Party leader to do. Is this you calling on keir starmer to. Sorry, sorry. Graham. Stringer. What we are we do have limited time here, is this you calling on sir keir starmer, your own party leader, to ditch his 2030 energy green policy and instead copy rishi sunaks, some might say , u turn sunaks, some might say, u turn today on gas. I want him to look at the cost of energy to both industry and to domestic consumers, and make. Make. Oh, no, thats a big shame. Weve, run into some turbulence, some turbulence on the turbulence. Turbulence. There we go. Maybe its wind powered. Yes, intermittent, but it is a really interesting point, right, that the labour party has committed to this 2030 Green Electricity strategy. And i dont know a single expert who says its possible. And its clearly not every labour mp is on board with the ambition anyway. And keir starmer got into quite a lot of trouble with the unions didnt he. Some of his trade unions, who are usually backers of the labour oil and labour party over oil and gas jobs , is over, jobs in fossil jobs, is over, jobs in fossil fuels , fossil fuel related fuels, fossil fuel related industries. Very difficult because of course, the labour party, huge numbers of very vocal activists on net zero, on green, on Climate Change and Everything Else , rishi sunak Everything Else, rishi sunak says in the telegraph today that Just Stop Oil are his mates, i dont know about that, but you can see the pressure thats on keir starmer to come up with a with a net zero policy. Where will he land, where will he land . Hes talking about being a realistic government. But frankly hard choices frankly there are hard choices that are going to have to be made. Hes talked hard made. And hes talked about hard choices dropping choices in some areas, dropping a of pledges. But there a lot of his pledges. But there are choices on that are hard choices on energy that he not up to, he seems to be not facing up to, especially after hes ditched his £28 billion a Year Investment plans where are we going to get the energy from if its not gas . Well, keep your views coming in gbviews gbnews. Com. Do you think a think Graham Stringer is a rational voice there, do you rational voice there, or do you think is right that think keir starmer is right that you least have an you need to at least have an ambition decarbonise ambition to decarbonise the power . Let us know what power system . Let us know what you think. Gb views at gb news. Still to come. There are com still to come. There are now people out of work now 4 Million People out of work and living on benefits in the uk. One senior conservative mp says they should be conscripted into the army if they repeatedly refuse work. Well, well be debating that question after this i well, weve had a huge amount of talk about the number of people who are out of work on benefits. Long tum sickness or so. Whether you should. If youve refused a job, you should have to take, you know, the next job that comes your way. Yeah. Weve got more 4 million weve got more than 4 Million People work benefits. People on out of work benefits. 1 in 5 adults between the age of 18 and 64 are not in work at all. Now, there might be some people who are between the ages of 18 and 64 whove done very well in life, chosen to retire early, chosen to be the primary care giver, are a carer. There are lots of reasons why people might legitimately so little amount of money labour force you get so you dont get a lot of money for being a carer . No, but there are lots of legitimate reasons why people might not be in the labour there are, in the labour force. There are, however , there has been a spike, however, there has been a spike, a spike in those who are not in employment in the last two years. Now, the question is why . And could these some of these people actually be in work with the right policy and with the right incentives . Yes, because fundamentally you need people in work to pay benefits and to pay for the welfare system. And if its too imbalanced, then either your governments going to get into even more debt or there simply isnt going to be enough for those very, very those who have very, very legitimate claims for welfare. Well, anyway, a senior tory mp has suggested that hes gone quite far to suggest that work shy people should be drafted into the armed forces ease into the armed forces to ease the crisis there. The labour crisis there. Well, of course weve been discussing those latest figures. Discussing those latest figures. Almost 4 Million People now out of uk and living on of work in the uk and living on benefits, and that the Unemployment Rate has risen to 3. 9. So would it be a wise move if people who turn down multiple jobs are conscripted to the armed forces . Well, robert fox, armed forces . Well, robert fox, editor defence editor at the standard, says they should not be in the army. Robert, why should they not be . This is, you know, if someone has said no to one, two, three jobs, could this not be a good way of getting them back into some kind of work . Well, the way you put it and the way mr drax, a senior tory mp, has put it in the telegraph today, it would be a complete pain , it would be a pain all pain, it would be a pain all round because the one group that really doesnt want this is reluctant conscript is the military, because the professional militaries dont like conscripts. National service personnel. Anyway, service personnel. Anyway, although i think we can argue that a bit further down the line, they will have to come to some National Service scheme. But whether its conscription or compelled by compulsion, by law , compelled by compulsion, by law, is a really a very open question. And it will be very difficult. It will cause a lot of aggro. Its a political hot potato, and it would be useless because you would get reluctant squaddies who wouldnt be up to doing much, and they would be draining very, very valuable Training Resources from all three militaries. But im sure there can be part time and voluntary schemes to get round it, because the problem of the demographic winter. Lets call it what it is by its technical terms of people dropping out of the workforce and not being replaced , its right across most replaced, its right across most of the developed world is even hitting china now. And weve got to do something about it. But robert fox, isnt this how the navy was built in the 17005 . How the navy was built in the 1700s . You had press gangs that went pub to pub, got the people whod fallen asleep because of how drunk theyd got, chucked him on a boat , how drunk theyd got, chucked him on a boat, and they woke up somewhere in the mid atlantic suddenly finding out theyre in the navy. Thats how this country built. Country was built. Yeah, but they werent necessarily brits. And you are such terrible , all nostalgic such a terrible, all nostalgic really. Know, youre theres really. You know, youre theres nothing. Youre your youth. You should look forward. You should be full of the optimism of the will. Like me, id say weve got a problem. Were going to resolve it. The services have got a problem. How do we fix that . Is a big got a problem. How do we fix that . Is a big and very important question. And a very senior general. General sir patrick sanders, current head of the army, not for much longer. Got a bit out of order in saying that he thinks the will have to be kind of volunteer, but be some kind of volunteer, but National Service scheme and everybody said no, no, no, by the way, they said no, no , no so the way, they said no, no, no so vehemently. You know darn well that theyre really thinking about this behind the scenes, that are. But, im im not that they are. But, im im not nostalgic for the, for the navy of trafalgar or the, army of waterloo should be barely brick will be conscripted full of dutch people. Go on. Yeah. Dutch people. Go on. Yeah. Oh, robert. Oh, robert. Robert. Richard drax , he is a robert. Richard drax, he is a former army captain. He must know a few things. A thing or know a few things. A thing or two about the armed forces and he is talking in particular about the young. So lets say about the young. So lets say weve had a huge spike in the number of people between the age of 18 and 24 who are not in work. Surely it wouldnt be. Its not that crazy an idea to think, well, maybe you could be a little bit of use in the armed forces. Its an obvious idea and what im trying to say in sensible mode , putting it in the way that mode, putting it in the way that richard has done, i mean, hes got a good argument, but it wont work. What im trying to do is to find something that does work. And, emily, youre absolutely right, because were looking at its actually tom up to 5 million that are claiming benefit have just dropped out of work. Why young people are not going into work that is not a quite old man talking about it, but it is a phenomenon which were observing across the world. It is a major crisis. Well, robert, perhaps, perhaps theres a middle ground here which is instead of conscription , in a much more thorough recruitment process , because so recruitment process, because so many of these people who are not in work will claim anxiety , will in work will claim anxiety, will claim nervousness, will claim perhaps a sense of a lack of knowing what to do with their lives in the army. The army can be something that really does change people, does make people who they are. Does make people who they are. Oh, youre such a brainbox youve got way ahead in the argument. And im absolutely argument. And im absolutely with this. Its with you, tom, on this. But its a change of mindset that we need because this has been noted, as i said, something like, were going to lose between now or just, at the beginning in a decade , 2. 7 million from decade, 2. 7 million from a workforce not being replaced, coming up for retirement, weve got to find out. We have some pretty good ideas why this has happened. And theres a thing that goes very much with what you have just been proposing and explaining , you have just been proposing and explaining, is why young people do not want to expose themselves to ridicule, to worry, to anxiety by going into public service, because this is right across the piece, whether it, the Civil Service or the other aspects of the security service, im sure that the police are having quite a tough time. And, and it is certainly a problem with the military. Theres something wrong about the way the military is setting out its stall. Can i just finish with the very strong point that you made . And this is i know is what theyre looking at. This qualified almost a scholarship thing. In for a it would be thing. Come in for a it would be i think it would have to be a year but it come in for ten Months Service of various kinds and we will give you well pay you a basic wage, but we will give you a bounty. Well give you we will offer you a scholarship. We will offer you a scholarship. We will offer you. Thats the you some training. Thats the norwegian but the trouble you some training. Thats the n that]ian but the trouble you some training. Thats the n that the but the trouble you some training. Thats the n that the norwegian the trouble you some training. Thats the n that the norwegian military|ble is that the norwegian military and their military, their International Police force, the people who guard you, the front is a very high quality, the chief of the Norwegian Army was saying to a friend of mine the other day. The trouble is, they come in on a voluntary basis. Are it . Are they really rather like it . And rid of our volunteer. We cant have too many. We cant have too many. There you go. There you go. There you go. Absolutely pertinent at the moment and the total moment is finland and the total Defence Concept that they call it, we call it comprehensive defence. I know we have been looking at it. Get people in, but make sure that theres a sense of purpose behind it. So youve got some military or pubuc youve got some military or public service. It doesnt necessarily have to be military experience training in your back pocket and worry. Robert, sometimes that, young people dont have a Strong Enough sense of National Pride to even want to join the armed forces. They may ideologically be against the whole thing. Obviously, i dont to obviously, i dont want to generalise, but i mean, if you look at what a of young look at what a lot of young people to think , perhaps people seem to think, perhaps they wouldnt be willing to fight country. Fight for their country. But well end there well have to end it. There i have say, sounds that i have to say, it sounds that im with team tom this im all with team tom this afternoon, i have afternoon, but because i have difficulty, and dont think that cynical reasons with the National Pride. Ive been with fighting armies when they were fighting armies when they were fighting and when the when the chips were down. I dont think, you know, second battalion, parachute regiment, which really actually turned the Falklands Campaign at goose green. It was a battle they should have lost and they just kept going and they kept going because of each other and because they hadnt espnt. Other and because they hadnt esprit. They an elite esprit. They were an elite outfit going. Outfit and they kept going. Its the unity of purpose, the camaraderie, all of the things that the army offers. Absolutely, thanks, absolutely, robert. Thanks, folks. Much for folks. Thank you so much for talking us through that. I talking us through that. And i might have to take back might i might have to take back my of press ganging, my advocacy of press ganging, which is crossing which lee anderson is crossing the floor. So well bring you the very latest after the headlines. Tom. Emily. Thank you very much. Good afternoon. From the newsroom. 133 our top story this half hour , 1000 people have now half hour, 1000 people have now joined the reform uk party. Thats just yesterday, after Lee Andersons defection from the tories. Party leader richard tice has told gb news that its proof of mr andersons popularity among red wall voters. The former tory deputy chairman was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for saying that islamists had got control of the london mayor well, a spokesperson for the Prime Minister says comments made by tory donor frank hester about diane abbott were clearly unacceptable, but declined to say whether they were racist. Frank hester reportedly said the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women , and to hate all black women, and that she should be shot. He admitted making those rude comments, but insists they had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. Miss abbott, whos now an independent mp, has described the comments as frightening and worrying that she hopes worrying and says that she hopes for public support from sir keir starmer. Mr hester, who starmer. Well, mr hester, who donated £10 million to the tories last year, has said he is deeply sorry , adding that hes deeply sorry, adding that hes telephoned miss abbott to apologise for the hurt that he has caused. New gas power plants has caused. New gas power plants will be built to protect britains Energy Security, despite concerns over the potential impact on Climate Change, the government says the new stations are needed to avert what ministers have described as the genuine prospect of blackouts and to provide a backup for the growing electric economy. Its understood theyll replace existing facilities, many of which are old and due to be retired. The Prime Minister has insisted the uks net zero plan is still on track, but he says it must be met in a sustainable way. Labour has said it supports the new plans, but Shadow Energy secretary ed miliband accuses the government of failing on its Energy Policies , leading to policies, leading to skyrocketing bills. Those are skyrocketing bills. Those are the headlines. Plenty more to come with tom and emily. In the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the code there on your screen or go to gb news. Common alerts i good afternoon. Britain. Its 1 38. And joining us now with some breaking news is gb news Political Editor , christopher Political Editor, christopher hope. And christopher, we have seen lee anderson now on the opposition benches of the house of commons. Thats right. Tom and emily. And hi again. This is what you and hi again. This is what you have in politics is symbolic moments , but little more than moments, but little more than that. But just 1 30 pm. Today, lee anderson mp, the new mp for reform uk, entered the Commons Chamber and found his seat next to George Galloway , who of to George Galloway, who of course is the newly elected mp for the Workers Party of britain. He sat with him for 5 or 6 minutes and then left, on their way out, lee anderson tells gb news that George Galloway shook his hand and wished him all the best again. History made here. The first mp weve seen here for reform uk in the building behind me in parliament. Simple moment, no big fireworks. But its happened. Hes crossed the floor. Lee anderson, hes now the reform uk mp. The reform uk mp. He sat next to George Galloway. Galloway. Yes. I mean i guess in that corner youve got the other independent mps together George Galloway mp, other mps who maybe have lost the whip, but hes now got his own party sitting behind the snp, the liberal democrats, the snp, the liberal democrats, the dup and others. So hes found his spot. Hes left there. Hes no longer sitting there. Of course, he was in action earlier today on the Home Affairs Select committee, grilling, some clergymen about home affairs and immigration, doing the work that way. But the symbolic moment, the literal crossing the floor has happened. George Galloway Galloway has crossed the floor and sat with the with with. Sorry. Lee anderson has crossed the floor to sit with George Galloway in the today. Galloway in the commons today. Almost its interesting. Its almost like the naughty like hes sitting in the naughty corner right at the back row next to George Galloway. Jeremy corbyn sometimes sits around that area as well. Maybe hed have been better advised to sit somewhere a bit more central. But hes right there in the far corner at the back, its an interesting choice. Interesting choice. Yeah, and thats where they all sit, because they cant really go anywhere towards the speaken really go anywhere towards the speaker. Those are all the labour benches. You are stuck in labour benches. You are stuck in that corner of the house of commons, the furthest commons, almost the furthest point the speaker, point away from the speaker, because we live in this two party system, system isnt party system, the system isnt set independent mps. And set up for independent mps. And when you become one or mp in when you become one or an mp in a smaller party, youre pushed to the outer limit. Outer to the outer limit. The outer limits of the Commons Chamber. And thats where hes sitting. But im pretty certain by convention, yes, sir. Anderson could have sat lee anderson could have sat where the dup sometimes sit. He could have plonked himself next to an snp. Er, he could have in those sort of secondary benches. He could have sort of sat a little closer to the speaker little bit closer to the speaker if he wanted to. Well, of course all of the house of commons is done by convention. Theres no boss in the house of commons. The speaker is elected a fellow speaker is elected as a fellow mp. Own mp. They policed their own behaviour. Hes chosen not to pick fight here with house of pick a fight here with house of commons authorities. He may be resting on his laurels. Yesterday thousand yesterday a thousand people joined , the lee joined reform uk, the lee anderson effect taking hold. Well see if its long tum yet, but for now, lee anderson is taking a seat on the commons benches as reform uk mp and, lee anderson has been very vocal at the Home Affairs Select committee, often asking some tough questions in there. Will he be able to keep that job . Thats a very, very good question, emily. I think he does. But of course, those places on the committees are divided up according to majority in the house of commons, and theyre carved up with the whips. Its probably unlikely that the whips want to lose someone who is quite aligned with tory party policy, even though he isnt actually a tory mp anymore. From that delicate balance on the Home Affairs Committee, i imagine hell stay there. But these are things which will play out. He may be forced to move offices in the house of commons. He may be moved siberia in terms moved to outer siberia in terms of the commons, and moved some way the commons way away from the Commons Chamber. Way away from the Commons Chamber. Theres all sorts of ways which establishment get ways which establishment can get his own back on, on a naughty mp like lee anderson for leaving. And christopher, will you be able wait see . Able to wait and see . , sorry. Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. He be able to, speak as will he be able to, speak as much the house of commons . Much in the house of commons . Will be called will will he be called upon or will he be . Will it be far harder for him to get heard . Him to get heard . Well, certainly in the set piece , votes you might find piece, votes you might find a debate like like pmqs. You might find it harder. But if youre bobbing and if youre known to have an interest thats standing up and in the house of up and down in the house of commons want to get commons and show you want to get in, he hell be picked by in, he can. Hell be picked by the or deputy the speaker or the Deputy Speaker whos presiding over the debate. Their debate. Or they can put their name hat for, home name into the hat for, home affairs questions. Hell the speaker generally try to select people he knows has an expertise in an area. So on immigration in an area. So on immigration and that kind of thing, hell be selected. I that wont selected. I think that wont that wont matter. But of course, emily and course, what you miss emily and tom, have none of his team tom, hell have none of his team around so when hes around him. So when hes speaking, mps in all the speaking, other mps in all the other parties will talking, other parties will be talking, chatting, to ignore him chatting, feigning to ignore him because thats how it works in the commons. When you leave one of youre out the commons. When you leave one of the youre out the commons. When you leave one of the cold. Youre out in the cold. Very interesting indeed to see how it goes , yes. See how it goes, yes. No. Well, thank you very much, christopher. Hope for talking us through that momentous moment again. Symbolic. Lee anderson has crossed the floor from the conservative benches to those opposition benches. Hes chosen pretty much the furthest back spot in the house of commons in the corner, right in that little corner. But in other news, is it time to bring back Boris Johnson . There have been reports that the former Prime Minister could make a election a dramatic general election comeback. Are people ready for it . Well, it is 7 well, it is 147 in the afternoon. And a Major Conservative Party donor says he is deeply sorry after reportedly saying labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot. Well, the former or sorry, the current tory donor, frank hester, has admitted making rude comments but said they had nothing to do with her gender nor the colour of her skin. Of course , there is no audio of course, there is no audio of these comments that has been published. We just have an published. We just have an account from the Guardian Newspaper. But lets discuss. Newspaper. But lets discuss. There is absolutely no denial. Well, theres a denial that those were the precise words. Well, not theres not well, theres not theres not a denial, theres not an denial, but theres not an acceptance that those were the words he used. Well, speak to gb okay. Well, lets speak to gb news correspondent news Political Correspondent katherine out Katherine Forster to find out more. Catherine where are we with this . Weve diane, with this . Weve seen diane, diane speak out about diane abbott speak out about these comments. She certainly sees them to be racist. Weve seen conservative mps also on the airwaves, saying the remarks are racist , but the the airwaves, saying the remarks are racist, but the man himself is not racist. Theres been a lot of talk about this. Where do we stand at the moment . Yes. Well, rishi sunak would like us to be talking about the budget, instead of which, of course, were all talking about lee anderson and this tory donon lee anderson and this tory donor. These comments that have been run in the guardian allegedly made back in 2019, in allegedly made back in 2019, in a meeting in which he said that seeing diane abbott on Television Made him want to hate all black women, hed also allegedly said, i dont hate all black women at all. But when i see her, it makes me feel like that and that she should should be shot. Now, i think its worth saying he hasnt denied making these comments. Hes admitted that he made comments which he says were rude. Hes picked up says were rude. Hes picked up the phone today directly to diane abbott to apologise directly for the hurt he has caused her, the statement put out by him went on to say that he was in no way racist or misogynist, but of course, a lot of people will look at those comments and said, well, you mentioned the fact that she was black. Mentioned fact black. You mentioned the fact that woman. Your that she was a woman. Your highlight saying things, highlight saying these things, therefore these things clearly do matter. Now, this is very embarrassing for the government indeed, because this is a big tory donor. Hes given £10 million to the conservative Party Last Year , his company, Party Last Year, his company, the phoenix partnership, has been awarded some £400 million of government contracts to do with the nhs because they, basically manage 60 Million Peoples uk health records. So this is a big deal. Its the first time that hes given to the party because apparently he likes rishi sunaks approach on artificial intelligence. But of course, labour and the lib dems saying these comments are atrocious and that fundamentally the conservative party should hand that money back. Now, beanng hand that money back. Now, bearing in mind that were in an election year, bearing in mind that the conservatives last year got £48 million in donations and labour 31 million, this £10 million that hes given is a very big chunk of money. So i dont think we should hold our breath at for , all for this breath at for, all for this money being returned. But clearly the conservatives would love everyone to stop talking about this , labour and the lib about this, labour and the lib dems spy an opportunity, and i dont think this row is going away any time soon. No. Perhaps not, of course, because, catherine, today is tuesday and tomorrow at 12 00 in the house of commons is an ample opportunity for keir starmer to twist the knife. Twist the knife. Yes, exactly. And i have no doubt that he will raise it as one of his six questions. I mean some in the conservatives saying but of course, look at what keir starmer did with azhar ali, the disgraced parliamentary candidate for rochdale. You know, they spent a couple of days defending him before they withdrew the weapon. And look at withdrew the weapon. And look at what they did. And its all rather unedifying. Pointing to another partys bad behaviour here, but yeah, you can see why this has caused a big, big row and really more news that rishi sunak just does not need. And of course rishi sunak took a strong stance when it came to lee anderson and accusations of islamophobia here, so then to continue here, there. So then to continue to accept money this to accept this money from this tory donor said something tory donor who said something that people would that i think most people would agree , at least as how agree is racist, at least as how weve it anyway, the weve read it anyway, in the guardian , then, you know, does guardian, then, you know, does he have to take a similar stance . Thank you very much. Katherine news Katherine Forster. Our gb news Political Correspondent, now reports suggest that Boris Johnson could a General Johnson could make a general election for the election comeback for the tories, with the former Prime Minister expected to campaign for the conservatives in red wall seats. Although not standing one himself. Yes, he wants to take the fight to keir starmer. Yes, he wants to take the fight to keir starmer. So gb fight to keir starmer. So gb news east Midlands Reporter will hollis has been in bassetlaw asking locals whether want asking locals whether they want to make a comeback. To see boris make a comeback. I actually used to like Boris Johnson but he let me down with covid and so therefore i wont be voting conservative anymore. I did do, but not anymore. Not for me and anybody else here. Because from all from , from because from all from, from day one, hes been a liar all along. Dont vote for him. Stick along. Dont vote for him. Stick with labour. Like johnson , to be i like Boris Johnson, to be honest with you, and i think it could do with a boost for conservatives. Ive always been a labour voter, but, no, i went to conservative and said he said i think, especially Brendan Clarke has done more for worksop and the surrounding area than a lot have done. Not everythings perfect, but, you know, theyve theyve come a long way. And i theyve come a long way. And i think it achieved a lot to be honest. Personally , not for me. Personally, not for me. Personally, not for me. No, no, hes not done anything to make any arrangements to make this town better. Better. Its still you can see how dismal it is , no, because of, dismal it is, no, because of, when he was in charge at conservative party. All he thought about was, is the upper class, not the working class, because it would telling everybody to stay at home during covid. And what did he do . He covid. And what did he do . He had a house. Party. Had a house. Party. Well, there you go. The views of the people of bassetlaw. Not so keen , telling people to stay so keen, telling people to stay at home. Theres no suggestion you didnt stay at home. Well no, but guess a mixed but i guess theres a mixed reviews Boris Johnson reviews on whether Boris Johnson should comeback. Should make a comeback. Idea is that i guess the idea is that hell red wall voters i guess the idea is that he more red wall voters i guess the idea is that he more rishi wall voters i guess the idea is that he more rishi sunak, ters i guess the idea is that he more rishi sunak, so s far more than rishi sunak, so if they him up there, then they can use him up there, then maybe hell help them out. And i think want david think they want to get David Cameron to campaign the in cameron to campaign in the in the in the shires, the blue wall in the shires, because he goes down well. Theyre boris theyre allies of Boris Johnson pouring cold johnson have been pouring cold water on this report of course nadine tweeting earlier Nadine Dorries tweeting earlier today that, rishi and boris actually havent spoken in the last year, although when i asked bofis last year, although when i asked Boris Johnson office, they , they Boris Johnson office, they, they wouldnt confirm that. Well coming criminals will well coming up criminals will be up to two months be released up to two months early space early to free up space in crammed jails. Are they making the safe . The public are less safe . A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello again heres your latest gb news, Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. More rains to come as we go through the next few days, especially in the northwest. 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Its actually tuesday, the 12th of march. Anyway prison release criminals will be released up to two months early in a desperate bid to free up space in cramped jails. Are our packed prisons putting the pubuc packed prisons putting the public at risk . Anderson, in opposition. The anderson, in opposition. The ashfield mp, who defected from the tories, has crossed the floor in the commons to sit with Opposition Mps. Whos that next to him . None other than George Galloway. Well get reaction and galloway. Well get reaction and a race row over a tory donors comments about diane abbott. He said she made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot. His apology is certainly not accepted by the labour leader, keir starmer , nor labour leader, keir starmer, nor diane abbott. What do you think the conservatives are going to do . Its a really tough one. £10 million is a lot of money, a lot of money, and it was donated in the past. The comments were made the past. The comments were made in the past. Its not as if the tories have it sitting in a war chest that they can hand back necessarily. This will be money that could have been spent already. Its a really difficult already. Its a really difficult position for rishi sunak be position for rishi sunak to be in, especially for when it gets to wednesday, when it gets to midday. Prime ministers questions its very clear that rishi, that keir starmer will ask on this again and again and again. What are you going to do with the money . Its i mean many people, many people despise diane politics, but the Diane Abbotts politics, but the comments that she makes him want to hate all black women, i mean, thatis to hate all black women, i mean, that is cut and dry. Racism , is it not . And if racism, is it not . And if youre going to suspend the whip from lee anderson for allegedly islamophobe comments, then that puts rishi sunak in the position to say, well, hang on, i cant accept this money. She didnt he didnt say he hated her because she was black. Well, he said she said, he said, he said he hated her and then made her gross extrapolation made her gross extrapolation made him made him just want to hate all black women. I mean, that is a horrible , i mean, that is a horrible, nasty thing to say. Its a horrible thing to say. Absolutely. Its vile. But hes absolutely. Its vile. But hes not saying he hates diane abbott because shes black. Well i think you could. You could you could infer that if you base if you base how you feel about black women on the case of diane abbott. But youre missing out. You are a racist. Youre missing out a bit of a quote there. Which was he then went on to i dont hate all black to say, i dont hate all black women. To say, i dont hate all black worwell, think that well, i dont think that someone a position such as someone in a position such as his should Say Something like that. Disgusting. That. Of course hes disgusting. Course he shouldnt say of course he shouldnt say it. Course hes a thing it. Of course hes a vile thing to and who says that to say. And anyone who says that anyone should be anyone in politics should be shot, frankly, shouldnt shot, quite frankly, shouldnt be talking about politics, shouldnt be involved in politics, honest, politics, to be honest, a awful thing but lets not mix thing to say. But lets not mix two things he say he two things up. He didnt say he hated diane abbott because shes black. No, i didnt say that. He did. But i can completely understand abbott has understand why diane abbott has said comments are said these comments are frightening. Yes, i mean terrifying. Yeah. Quite right. And yeah. No. Quite right. And two mps have been killed in recent , anyone who does recent years, anyone who does get some of the worst trolling, she does anyone who talks about mps being shot really should step back. Out of politics, go get step out of politics, go get a life. T t a life. Anyway, lets get the well, anyway, lets get the headunes. Headlines. Tom. Emily, thanks very much. Good afternoon from the newsroom. Itsjust good afternoon from the newsroom. Its just gone 2 00, and we start with a recap of the news that lee anderson has in the last half hour, made his first in the commons first appearance in the commons since to reform uk, since defecting to reform uk, sitting on the opposition benches next to George Galloway. If youre watching on tv, you should be able to see here just about make out in the top right hand corner of your screen. The ashfield mp there, arrived ashfield mp there, who arrived in the chamber during the fourth day of debate on the budget, the former deputy chairman of the conservatives that conservatives told gb news that hes not heard from the Prime Minister he announced his minister since he announced his defection. Since then, 1000 defection. Since then, 1000 people reform. The people have joined reform. The party leader, richard tice, says its proof of andersons popularity among red wall voters. Well, it comes after anderson was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for saying that islamists had got control of the london mayor. Government minister esther mcvey says she is disappointed and surprised by mr andersons decision after he campaigned for Jeremy Corbyn in 2017. In effect, he is now gone full circle and hell be campaigning for keir starmer because, i mean, even he said a vote for reform is a vote for laboun vote for reform is a vote for labour. So ive clearly misjudged him. Misjudged him. Well, a spokesperson for the Prime Minister says that comments made by former tory donor frank hester about diane abbott were clearly unacceptable, but declined to say whether they were racist. Frank hester reportedly said the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women , and to hate all black women, and that she should be shot. He admitted making rude comments, but insists they had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. Do with the colour of her skin. Miss abbott, whos now an independent has described independent mp, has described the comments as frightening and worrying and she hopes for worrying and says she hopes for pubuc worrying and says she hopes for public support from sir keir starmer. Hester , who donated starmer. Mr hester, who donated £10 million to the tories last yean £10 million to the tories last year, has said he is deeply sorry, adding that he has now telephoned miss abbott to apologise for the he has apologise for the hurt he has caused. New gas power plants caused. New gas power plants will be built in the uk to protect Energy Security, despite concerns over the potential impact on Climate Change, the government says new stations are needed to avert what ministers have described as the genuine prospect of blackouts and provide a backup for the growing electric economy. 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For more, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen or if youre listening on radio, you can go to gb news. Common alerts. Now, though, its back to tom and. Emily. To tom and. Emily. Good afternoon britain. Its 2 08, and earlier today the house of commons heard sensational testimony from a former priest speaking to the Home Affairs Select committee about the scandal of fake conversions within the church of england, allowing Asylum Seekers entry into the uk. Lets take a listen. Listen. Press the pause button on the process. I honoured the baptisms that were or the baptism requests that were already in the system. But then you spot a pattern and then you think, hang on, theres something going on here, then you, you try to here, and then you, you try to press a pause button, which is to make sure that people are requested to come to church and start getting involved and attending church regularly. Events and so on. And that was the thing that kind of made the numbers fall off a cliff in a sense, because those people kind of melted away, really. Of melted away, really. That was the former priest for darlington, Matthew Firth. But sitting in the Home Affairs Committee committee is the conservative party deputy chairman, james daly. You were there. You were watching that exchange. You were questioning exchange. You were questioning these people. Its scandal, these people. Its a scandal, isnt it . I thought it was a very cunous i thought it was a very curious father who was a very compelling witness. His evidence, which he gave quite some time ago through a newspaper interview , was that newspaper interview, was that every 6 or 7. Sorry, every every 2 or 3 weeks, 6 or 7 people would come with a certain individual to his parish in darlington, and that certain individual would say to him, that i need these people baptising very quickly, quite rightly, for the First Response to that was, no, im not doing that. And if you want to continue on your path towards baptism, you have to involve yourself life of yourself in the life of the church. Evidence, then, church. His evidence, then, was that they when, when he put that when they when, when he put that when they when, when he put that to them, is the that to them, which is the normal process somebody , normal process of somebody, being baptised in church of being baptised in the church of england,. And england, they disappeared. And that was that. And that was his first hand evidence. Now there was, the ex bishop of durham, tom, some rather strange tom, gave some rather strange comments. I thought, in respect of , what father firth said comments. I thought, in respect of, what father firth said some time ago. And i think hes very, time ago. And i think hes very, very disappointing. The church of england have taken this attitude to somebody who is mean, doing his job mean, who is doing his job properly and is just reporting concerns that he has, have the church of england not indicated that theyre undergo an that theyre going to undergo an internal investigation . I know to begin with, the response seemed to be, its not our fault, its the home offices fault. Any problems with system . Are they with our asylum system . Are they now accepting now actually accepting that things gone wrong . Because things have gone wrong . Because there are clearly whistleblowers within who within the system who are saying, somethings not saying, hang on, somethings not right. Right. Emily. They completely taken the reverse pitch position. To that. I asked the bishop of guildford, who gave evidence to the committee, what were the actions that, that the bishop and her colleagues were going to take in terms of what father firth had told the committee came not very came back the answer not very much whatsoever. So it was extremely concerning. And there were two Different Things which were two Different Things which were conflated in this conversation was the amount of people that had been baptised by father firth, which was in line with duties compared to with his duties compared to these who appear on the these people who appear on the evidence. Committee evidence. The select Committee Heard be going around heard to be going around different parishes asking priests to , in an organised priests to, in an organised manner to baptise them , to allow manner to baptise them, to allow them to, to, as part of their asylum claim. Father firth went further in terms of a question for one of my colleagues, saying that to the best of his knowledge, people who knowledge, the people who were coming to this coming and asking him to do this were actually home of the were actually in the home of the home process. So home office appeal process. So they already in the asylum they were already in the asylum process. They were going through an appeal , process. They were going through an appeal, and these were the people that were every 2 people that were coming every 2 to 3 weeks. James daly its really, no james daly its really, really a scandal. You really a scandal. But you mentioned colleague mentioned what your colleague said select said around that, select committee. One of your colleagues who is another member of the Home Affairs Select committee, is no longer a conservative of yours. Conservative colleague of yours. Im, of course, talking about lee anderson, who is now sitting as a reform mp. You were as a reform mp. You were sitting, around the same table as him this morning. Hes been making comments about free speech, saying theres no free speech, saying theres no free speech in the conservative party. How do you answer that charge . Well, this is very charge . Well, this is very difficult for me, tom, because i think, as you know, that lee is a friend of mine and has been a friend of mine for many, many years. But the idea, based upon lees last four years in parliament, that the conservative imposing conservative party were imposing restrictions speech is restrictions on free speech is ludicrous joke. Lee has ludicrous and a joke. Lee has been able to say whatever he felt is appropriate to say , and felt is appropriate to say, and so im just very saddened this, you know, i would still consider lee a friend of mine. Weve stood on the barricades together. We voted together for four stood on the same four years, we stood on the same platform. Hes come and supported on two separate supported me on two separate occasions in barrie, to occasions in barrie, coming to do raise money for my do events to raise money for my campaign. Ive played in his Charity Cricket match. The last conversation probably we was conversation probably we had was talking me coming down in talking about me coming down in the summer to play in a Charity Cricket so i dont know cricket match, so i dont know what this new lee anderson is. Thats from old thats different from the old lee but it lee anderson, but its it certainly seems to be the same one that ive known all one that ive known for all these years. I must ask you to, james, and i must ask you to, james, about hester, the tory about frank hester, the tory donor demands that the conservative party give back the £10 million hes given to the party because of these comments, which most people would deem racist about diane abbott. That she makes you want to hate all black women, and she should be shot, this is whats being reported in the guardian , what reported in the guardian, what does the conservative party do now . What do you think . The comments were racist. And should the money be given back . The money be given back . The comments were clearly unacceptable. Thats been unacceptable. Thats been recognised by mr hester. He has apologised, which clearly he should do, he has said in his apology which he was the person present, he was the one saying the words that , he didnt make the words that, he didnt make mean to make reference specifically to dianes, background, her skin colour, or the fact that she was a female. Now people will take whatever view that they want in respect of what very clear of that. What i am very clear on, taken the correct , on, hes taken the correct, course action in apologising course of action in apologising completely comments. Completely for those comments. And to me, youve talked about the Affairs Select the Home Affairs Select committee. A much committee. Diane is a much valued the home valued member of the home affairs shes Affairs Select committee. Shes a in politics. She a trailblazer in politics. She has been an important part of our in our political life in this country for the 30 years. Country for the last 30 years. Approximately. I think that she is a, a powerhouse within parliament, a person full of energy, verve and ideas. And im very glad that mr hester has apologised. James, we can all see what mr hester said was, was was rude and wrong. He didnt admit that it was racist. Youre not saying it was racist. Youre not saying it racist. People might be it was racist. People might be taking different views on that, but does seem a little odd but it does seem a little odd that everyones now saying diane abbott a is a wonderful abbott is a is a wonderful addition to parliament, a trailblazer when this is someone who from or had the who was expelled from or had the whip the labour whip removed from the labour party racism. Party for racism. Well, they they can i can i put it this way, tom, that my experience of diane abbott if we if we get down to a debate getting back to my friend lee, we can debate about the words that say on certain that people say on certain occasions. And, sometimes occasions. And, and sometimes action whatever action has to be taken, whatever that and im sure the action that is. And im sure the action that is. And im sure the action that was taken by labour that was taken by the labour party respect to diane was party in respect to diane was justified. Is the justified. But this is the difference. Know difference. When you know somebody, spend lot somebody, when you spend a lot of them, when go of time with them, when you go on select committee on Home Affairs Select committee trips abroad investigating really important issues, you get to you get to to know people and you get to know the character of what they are. Anderson, i think, are. Lee anderson, i think, would that. Used would accept that. He used clumsy very least clumsy words at the very least when he said what he said that led to his whip being withdrawn. That doesnt away from the that doesnt take away from the fact known him fact that ive known him intimately years, and intimately for four years, and that to jump in. That hes sorry to jump in. A thread is there a thread here between of these stories . Between all of these stories . Lee something. You lee anderson said something. You dont think that hes racist . He might used wrong words, dont think that hes racist . He mighclumsy sed wrong words, dont think that hes racist . He mighclumsy with wrong words, dont think that hes racist . He mighclumsy with his nrong words, dont think that hes racist . He mighclumsy with his language. Is, been clumsy with his language. Diane wrote diane abbott when she wrote about people and was about jewish people and was removed, had the labour whip removed, had the labour whip removed her after that removed from her after that instance . You say you know her as a person , perhaps thats not as a person, perhaps thats not what she meant, but the way she expressed it was widely seen to be anti semitic. Again , with be anti semitic. And again, with this conservative donor, perhaps the way that he expressed his words has been widely seen to be racist. But he wasnt perhaps attacking diane abbott for the colour of her skin. In his view, are these just three incidences here of poor communication . What im saying to you, tom, is that people these all those three individuals that youve you have , mentioned that weve you have, mentioned that weve been talking about have said things now. Mr certainly. Mr hester has given a full and frank apology, and i fully support that. What he said was not acceptable in terms of diane, the labour party took appropriate action against the comments that she said , all i am comments that she said, all i am trying to say to you, is that were all im, im going to be an old man. Now, my life is not only defined by certain phrases and certain things that i say, and certain things that i say, and i just think that we should take a rounded view of the contribution that people make to this country and to society, and not judge them solely on one comment. And if that person who made that comment , i think mr made that comment, i think mr hester made it two years ago, can give a full and frank apology and recognise what he said incorrect, i will said was incorrect, i will accept that. Yeah, im not sure if i was running a political party, id want to take from someone want to take money from someone who at diane who said, looking at diane abbott makes you want to hate all black women. Think that is all black women. I think that is clearly a racist comment in my opinion, but james, lastly, bofis opinion, but james, lastly, Boris Johnson back in the papers, i think it was the front page of the times this morning. Rishi sunak apparently thinking about bringing back and about bringing him back and using him to help back some using him to help win back some red what do you make red wall votes. What do you make of . Of that . Well, boris is never out of the papers , and the only thing the papers, and the only thing that the thing that concerns me more than anything else is that we have a Prime Minister with a vision and a plan to win the next general election. And getting to my, my good getting back to my, my good friend lee won. Probably the only thing that that with his choice that hes made in the last few days is i will last few days is that i will support anything that that defeats defeats defeats socialism, that defeats the labour party. Lee appears to have made a choice, which is a vote for reform. Is a vote for keir starmer. Daly , thank you well, james daly, thank you very much for joining well, james daly, thank you very much forjoining us here. Deputy chairman of the conservative of on conservative party of course, on that subjects. That array of subjects. But still come much more on that still to come much more on that claim from a former priest that theres a Conveyor Belt of christian conversions to help Asylum Seekers here remain in the uk. Youre watching good afternoon britain on. Gb views. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 2 22. And the government have denied industrial abuses in system of granting asylum. Yes. This comes amid questioning over the role of conversions to christianity to win asylum claims in the uk. And comments from former home secretary Suella Braverman that there abuses , abuses in the system. While joining us now to discuss this is our home and security editor, mark white. Mark, are some pretty mark, these are some pretty damning allegations. Damning allegations. Yeah, pretty sobering assessment from former parish priest at St Cuthberts Church in darlington. He was there between 2018 and 2020, and reverend Matthew Firth told the Home Affairs Committee today that he became very suspicious indeed, that there was effectively a Conveyor Belt of Asylum Seekers being brought to his church looking for conversion to christianity and his suspicion being that that was in place really to try to aid and strengthen their applications for asylum. This is what he told the Committee Week in, week out. You know, significant groups of mainly iranian and syrian young male Asylum Seekers were being brought to me in in sizeable cohorts , to at a time sizeable cohorts, to at a time sort of, you know, 6 or 7 people brought to me, by, you know, people saying that these need baptism, these these people need baptism, these these people need baptism. Baptism. And reverend firth said that what he did to try to get to grip with this issue was that he stressed to those that wanted to convert to christianity, that they would have to be fully involved in the church, that they would have to come over many and be part of many months and be part of church life, he said. When he did , applications did that, applications effectively off a cliff effectively fell off a cliff edge, and all, but disappeared. Now we also heard from some other leading, faith Leaders Within christianity in the uk, including the bishop of chelmsford. She disputed these claims of a Conveyor Belt of Asylum Seeker baptisms. This is what she told the committee. You know, our churches respond to, to local need. However, it presents itself. However, it presents itself. Thats a totally separate issue to saying that we are kind of quickly and easily and freely baptising large numbers in order to scam the asylum processing. I think that the notion that the church of england is currently being a Conveyor Belt for baptisms, in order for people to gain their asylum status, i dont recognise that comment. Dont recognise that comment. Well, the bishop also said that effectively, one of the reasons why there might be an increase in those, Asylum Seekers that are seeking to convert to christianity, may well be because of the increasingly hostile environment towards Asylum Seekers. And she said that the church gave a warm welcome to Asylum Seekers. And welcome to Asylum Seekers. And that, she claims, might be one of the reasons behind it. That, she claims, might be one of the reasons behind it. We of the reasons behind it. We also heard from the immigration minister, Tom Pursglove , who minister, Tom Pursglove, who also said that he didnt recognise assertions made by the former home secretary, Suella Braverman, recently when she said that these baptisms comes from, the muslim faith to christianity were taking place on an industrial scale. He said on an industrial scale. He said he didnt recognise that, however, astonishingly , he said however, astonishingly, he said that they have no accurate records of , how many Asylum Records of, how many Asylum Seekers have converted to christianity. Christianity. So we are actively working to improve the data set that we have around this issue. So one of the challenges is that the legacy it systems that we have been working on do not capture data in this area very effectively. The home secretary and i have been very clear in asking officials that we want to see greater itemised data in that area , and we are currently that area, and we are currently working through publication around that. And i think that youre absolutely right to touch on the data point. I think all of us want to see an improvement in terms of the quality of data that we have around Decision Making asylum space. Making in the asylum space. Well, mark is clearly a big scandal. And what does the government do . Theyve got this evidence , that theyve been evidence, that theyve been given by people who actually know and have witnessed and have been there when theres been these baptisms calls upon these baptisms and calls upon them people have them to baptise people who have had failed. Had their asylum claims failed. And what does the government do to on this . To crack down on this . Well, its astonishing, isnt it, that a former home secretary in the post, until relatively recently, has said that she believed that these Asylum Seeker conversions to christianity were happening on an industrial scale . Weve got evidence such as the bibby stockholm accommodation barge for Asylum Seekers in portland, where its being reported that 40 of those Asylum Seekers are currently in the process of trying to convert to christianity. Faced with that, though, the government is saying it doesnt recognise that there is this industrial scale conversion to christianity. And it also, to me seems really quite unbelievable that the government does not have a handle. Okay. Legacy cases, you know, maybe one thing, but currently there are hundreds of thousands of people still within the asylum system waiting on a decision. Surely there can be checks made to determine how many of those individuals have. Actually, as the migration minister, Tom Pursglove , was minister, Tom Pursglove, was saying, they simply dont have the data as things stand. But mark white, thank you very much for that. Lets get more now with Michael Phillips from the christian centre. Michael with Michael Phillips from the christhis centre. Michael with Michael Phillips from the christhis , centre. Michael with Michael Phillips from the christhis , soundentre. Michael with Michael Phillips from the christhis , sound like. Michael does this, sound like a situation youre familiar with . Just a widespread problem across the country of, frankly, fake conversion laws . Yeah, it is a problem. Yeah, it is a problem. And i think its probably a far bigger problem than in fact, were aware of, because at this point in time, a lot of the evidence which is going to be given to the house of commons is going to be from the church of england, maybe from roman england, maybe from the Roman Catholic church, but theres a whole of nonconformist whole raft of nonconformist churches this churches as well, where this issue is happening. And issue is also happening. And this that this is something as well, that ive myself , even i went ive seen myself, even i went into a barber shop the other day. Two men there were both day. Two men in there were both iranian they said, yes, i iranian and they said, yes, i used be a christian, then used to be a christian, but then i is i was i got my asylum, is what i was told. It is a real told. So i think it is a real problem. And i think the problem. And i think part of the problem. And i think part of the problem is this is that a lot of the who out the people who are giving out these like sweeties, these baptisms like sweeties, arent christian, perhaps arent really christian, perhaps christians themselves. They dont really it is to dont know really what it is to be a christian. For them, christianity is a social christianity is just a social club but fact, what what club now. But in fact, what what ihave club now. But in fact, what what i have seen when people have genuinely converted is that genuinely been converted is that theres a desire to share theres a real desire to share their amongst those people their faith amongst those people where they from, and maybe where they are from, and maybe even their countries even go back to their countries as and that is what as a result. And that is what christianity about. Christianity is about. Its about changed such that about a changed heart such that people prepared give people are prepared to give their new faith. Their lives for their new faith. And guys are not prepared and these guys are not prepared to afraid. To do that, im afraid. Is this a problem with is this not a problem with the law as it is . Should conversions once youre in this country, after youve already put in an asylum claim and had it rejected, should conversions to christianity just not even be on the agenda . They shouldnt be part of the decision process. That shouldnt be, you know , a that shouldnt be, you know, a reason to accept someone, i dont think its really a problem with the law. From what ihave problem with the law. From what i have seen , i think what the i have seen, i think what the real problem is, is that very often it is the lack of good evidence. So if there is real evidence. So if there is real evidence that somebody has truly converted christianity, you converted to christianity, you will see it in the will see. You will see it in the way that they behave. Jesus said, you will know my disciples by their fruit. A good tree bears good fruit , and so you bears good fruit, and so you will see them going out doing evangelism , doing good works, evangelism, doing good works, and you see that will and you will see that they will want it in, in the face of want to do it in, in the face of persecution, very from persecution, very often from those remained , those people who have remained, who are in country also who are in this country also seeking i think that seeking asylum. And i think that if some good evidence if theres some good evidence from pastor or from maybe their their pastor or vicar and like, like the chap was saying he was giving evidence to the, to the select committee, he puts them on a course then at the end of course and then at the end of the course, then they be the course, then they could be baptised. Of these baptised. But a lot of these people not to prepared wait, people are not to prepared wait, and along and theyll just go along to Someone Church someone else, another church where really theyre just handing these conversion certificates. Certificates out like sweets. But we know that the church of england in particular, but many churches across this land are dwindling are seeing dwindling congregations to some extent. Is it perhaps some Wishful Thinking that suddenly, some of these churches see their congregations swell for a couple of weeks and then people ask to convert . I mean, potentially is this, whats going on here . That that is whats happening. I think a lot of people dont. So those those vicars in question, they dont really understand what its like to become a christian in places like iran. And the irony is, is this that ive sometimes this is that ive sometimes represented people who have genuinely and genuinely converted, and sometimes run up in sometimes they run up in problems at the home office and before tribunals. You say, before the tribunals. You say, no, youre not a true convert because you cant recite all the apostles, or you cant name all the books in the and the books in the bible and things that. And they things like that. And, and they have these tests. Have these ridiculous tests. Now, is, are you now, the real test is, are you changing your and is that changing your heart . And is that manifesting everyday manifesting in your everyday life . And guys, maybe life . And these guys, maybe theyve waters theyve gone through the waters of got of baptism and theyve got a slightly gullible priest to sign them they them off, but really, they havent changed. And what havent been changed. And what really happen there really needs to happen is there needs process whereby needs to be a process whereby these people say no, i fully reject former way of life, reject my former way of life, i fully reject my former religion and prepared to say that publicly. Jesus was baptised publicly. Jesus was baptised publicly, people need publicly, and these people need to publicly proclaim their new faith and their rejection of the old. And i think if we did that, we would definitely see the numbers drop off very significantly, really, really interesting point there. Well, Michael Phillips, thank you very much joining us the much for joining us from the christian legal centre. Of course, remind me of one course, it does remind me of one of these cases was reported in the telegraph of , someone the telegraph of, someone claiming asylum because they said , and then said they were gay, and then they were asked at one of these meetings to say, what the reason for them claiming asylum was, and they physically couldnt say it, it wouldnt come out of their mouth. They were so disgusted the prospect at disgusted by the prospect at that point. The key industry. Yeah, think theres yeah, i think theres a mixture naivety on the part mixture of naivety on the part of the church, but also ideological from the top, ideological coming from the top, but yes. Coming up, more on that but yes. Coming up, more on that race row over tory donors comments about diane abbott. Hes apologised after saying she made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot. Well also be hearing your views of the topics, so views on all of the topics, so stay tuned that. Stay tuned for that. Tom. Emily, thanks very much. Good afternoon from the newsroom. 233 and the top story is that lee anderson has now taken a seat on the opposition benches next to George Galloway, his first appearance in the commons since joining the reform uk party. 1000 people have now joined reform. Yesterday, after his defection from the tories, Reform Party Leader richard tice told gb news its proof of mr andersons popularity among red wall voters. The former tory deputy chairman was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for saying that islamists had got control of the london mayor Police Investigating a chain of Funeral Homes in hull have now recovered 35 bodies and a quantity of what they suspect to be human ashes. It comes as two people arrested in connection with that Ongoing Investigation have been released on bail this afternoon. The 46 year old man afternoon. The 46 year old man and 23 year old woman were being held on suspicion of a number of offences, including preventing a lawful and decent burial. Hundreds of families who used legacy independent Funeral Directors have now contacted the police, fearing they may have been given the wrong ashes. A spokesperson for the Prime Minister says that common comments made by a conservative donor about diane abbott were clearly unacceptable , but clearly unacceptable, but declined to say whether they were racist. Frank hester reportedly said that the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women, and that she should be shot. He admitted making rude comments, but insists they had nothing do insists they had nothing to do with colour of her skin. With the colour of her skin. Miss abbott, whos now an independent , described the independent mp, described the comments as frightening and worrying she hopes for worrying and says she hopes for pubuc worrying and says she hopes for public support from sir keir starmer. Hester , who donated starmer. Mr hester, who donated £10 million to the tories last yean £10 million to the tories last year, he is deeply sorry, year, says he is deeply sorry, adding that hed telephoned miss abbott to apologise for the hurt hes caused. To get the latest hes caused. To get the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Common alerts i right. Emma right. Its 238. Youre watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. Now, a Major Conservative Party donor says hes deeply sorry after reportedly saying labour mp diane abbott makes you want to hate all black women and that she should be shot. Well, the tory donor, frank hester, admitted making rude comments, they said had comments, but they said they had nothing with her gender nothing to do with her gender nor the colour of her skin. Joining now is the well, joining us now is the co founder of conservatives against racism. Ill be amankona. Alby, thank you very much for joining amankona. Alby, thank you very much forjoining us, as a representative of conservatives against racism, has a line been crossed here with these comments 7 crossed here with these comments . Do you think that the conservative party should give back all the money this tory donor has given . Its a racist comment that frank hester has made. I think we should be very clear about that. And its been very disappointing to hear the conservative after conservative after conservative on Media Outlets today. Emily and tom say that it was offensive and rude, but not that it was racist. So first, let me be very clear. This was a racist comment. This was a racist comment. This was a racist comment. Now, to answer your question about whether or not the money should be returned to frank hester. No, should be returned to frank hester. No, im very firm on this. I dont think the money should be returned to the frank hester. I think the conservative party should use this to improve the tory Race Relations narrative by spending money funding the campaigns of our fantastic conservative candidates , people like my candidates, people like my friend samir hirsi, people like ben obe jvt on affiliate groups such as the 2022 Group Conservative friends of india, conservative friends of india, conservative muslim forum, people and groups within the conservative party that are going to improve the conservative narrative on Race Relations. And isnt that a bit of a cop out point of the country . Isnt that a bit of a Halfway House saying that what he what this person said was racist and we deplore it, but were not going to give back the money. In fact, were going to spend it just in specific i mean, thats specific ways. I mean, thats not going to cut the mustard when to prime when it comes to Prime Ministers tomorrow , ministers questions tomorrow, when starmer no doubt when sir keir starmer no doubt will at rishi sunak, will shout at rishi sunak, i deau will shout at rishi sunak, i dealt with racists in my party. What are you doing about yours and what he would say is that hes spending money on candidates and organisations within the conservative party that are going to further and improve the conservative narrative on Race Relations. I dont really care what keir starmer wants to do at Prime Ministers questions tomorrow. I care about the best way forwards and making sure that mistakes , and making sure that mistakes, that learnings are made from this mistake that has happened. This mistake that has happened. And i think a crucial part of that will be making sure that we have an amazing slate of candidates next general candidates at the next general election , well funded affiliate election, well funded affiliate groups and groups to tackle this issue and root out from the heart of root it out from the heart of the party. And it is the Party Members and candidates who are going to do that. How do you think, conservative mps have reacted to this today . Do you think theyve done well . Ive heard some mps saying the comments were racist, but this donor isnt racist himself, many equivocating over whether the comments are racist at all. There doesnt seem to be a clear narrative set from the top. Is there some party mismanagement going on over here . Yes, its been a huge party mismanagement. I mean, that poor mismanagement. I mean, that poor minister that had to go out this morning and say that it wasnt a racist comment and not answer the question in a straight and direct im answering direct way, like im answering the i actually feel the question. I actually feel sorry the only person sorry for him. The only person who seen come out whos who i have seen come out whos actually said this racist was, was kwarteng on a bbc bbc was Kwasi Kwarteng on a bbc bbc show earlier on today. Show earlier on today. Otherwise, ive been hugely disappointed by the conservatives that ive heard in the media. We like to talk about the media. We like to talk about the fact we have most the fact we have the most diverse cabinet history. Diverse cabinet in history. Where where is where is kemi badenoch, where is james cleverly, where is helen grant, where are they . I havent heard them say anything about this issue. If this was a left wing politician who had said something that was anti semitic or about someone who was jewish, everyone would have issued a statement. By now. Suella braverman would be on the airwaves talking about how awful it was. We should say these are at this point , the only person i this point, the only person i have heard talk about this issue for what it is a racist comment. We should say they are alleged comments this stage, but comments at this stage, and but he has course apologised. He has of course apologised. But we should also perhaps say that he didnt say he hated diane abbott because of the colour of her skin. He. There colour of her skin. He. There are many reasons someone might say they dislike diane abbott , say they dislike diane abbott, for example, she herself has been suspended as a labour mp for saying jews dont experience real racism. Thats a deplorable real racism. Thats a deplorable comment. You might very well say that you dislike diane abbott. Thats a legitimate political position to hold. Position to hold. Of course, its a legitimate political position to hold it is not legitimate to say that because i dislike diane abbott, that i dislike all black women, and that she should be shot. And that she should be shot. I did see he didnt say he disliked all black women. He said he explicitly in the quote said he explicitly in the quote said he explicitly in the quote said he didnt dislike all black women. Now he said a very confusing thing about being made to want what youre referring to. This let me be very clear. This was a racist comment. What he said was , and he did clarify he said was, and he did clarify afterwards what he said was diane abbott makes me want to hate all black women. Yes but i dont hate all black women. So its like he corrected himself. Its like he corrected himself. He said something. He was like, oh no, actually that was a racist so now im going racist comment. So now im going to it. Problem is, to correct it. The problem is, hed already so hed already said it, so i understand you are coming understand where you are coming from, a racist from, but this is a racist comment he should have. He has apologised, which is good. Where there contrition , there there is contrition, there should forgiveness, but should be forgiveness, but it should be forgiveness, but it should difficult for should not be difficult for people to call out racism where they what we saw today they see it. What we saw today was a racist comment, and i just wish people on the right were as good at calling out this kind of racism as they are at calling out anti semitism to be honest, to be, to be fair, have seen a huge number of people on the right condemning these comments for what they are in my in my opinion. And also, even if he hadnt made that comment about black women, said should be women, he said she should be shot. Yeah thats the point. Which is, which is not something youd expect someone with influence in conservative influence in the conservative party be saying about party to be saying about a labour mp. Is it really so its a terrible on two fronts. Its a completely appalling thing to say. I understand this was a private conversation , but was a private conversation, but we should not be when we are in positions of power and influence, having conversations like this, i think it was in a work environment. And this is a work environment. And this is a gentleman who deals with a lot of nhs contracts. We know that in the nhs about 25 of the workforce are from ethnic minority backgrounds. We know minority backgrounds. We know there are a lot of black female nurses who work for the nhs. From a business perspective, i have heard someone speak have never heard someone speak about their clients with such disdain as this man has. So this is what some people will call misogynist. This is racist and this is just simply not good business. Im glad hes apologised. I think the money should be spent in the party on people and causes which are going to improve conservative Race Relations, going forward. Thats a really, really interesting and novel proposal, actually. Perhaps the tories need to hire you for their comms department, because that was a much clearer interview than ive heard many, many heard from many, many conservative mps albie conservative mps today. Albie amankona, much, amankona, thank you very much, i think we should say that George Galloway is making his first speech since being elected in that sensational by election lets just dip in lets see what he has to say here. Infirmary. Thats like a ghost town. Madam deputy ghost town. Madam deputy speaken ghost town. Madam Deputy Speaker, do you know that in rochdale you cannot give birth . No one in the town of Gracie Fields will ever again be able to say they were born in rochdale. Unless, unfortunately , rochdale. Unless, unfortunately, in a taxi on the way to bury or on the way to oldham. We dont even have a postcode. Our even have a postcode. Our postcode is o l a subdivision of oldham. This town, which was once one of the most prosperous in england, is now one of the poorest, abandoned, not just by the government but abandoned by the government but abandoned by the mayor of greater manchester, for whom i have no animus. Quite the contrary, at least until recent weeks. But he has until recent weeks. But he has to understand that hes the mayor of greater manchester, not just the mayor of that was George Galloways maiden speech as the member of parliament for rochdale, talking about the maternity services, talking even about the postcode. But there we go, a little bit of a flavour of what we can expect from George Galloway and his unique oratorical style in the house of commons. Yes, and well be hearing your views very shortly about everything weve been covering today, from benefits to prisons today, from benefits to prisons to diane abbott and those comments, stay tuned i well, emma well, lets have a little peek into the gb views inbox. Peek into the gb views inbox. Youve been emailing us throughout the show on all of the topics that weve discussed. And we had a big debate on conscripting people into the army who wont work. Army who wont work. Yes, because, one senior tory mp said, you know , if you refuse mp said, you know, if you refuse a job once, twice, three times, then off you go. Conscription is then off you go. Conscription is the answer. Well, angela says , i totally well, angela says, i totally agree. People that are too sick to work should be put in the army. They can have a medical and if theyre really sick they can be rejected. Oh, there you go. Angela should be running the world. Alan im interested to alan says. Im interested to hear people who are hear the views on people who are not working. Spare a thought for the people for the older people looking for work. Once agencies and companies your over 50 or Companies Know your over 50 or 60, they in the 60, they are not in the slightest bit interested. How slightest bit interested. How are older people supposed to work 70 . They work until theyre 70 . They changed the new pension age. Yeah, seems to yeah, that seems there seems to be of that ageism in be a lot of that ageism in recruitment. Know, once recruitment. You know, once youre age, youre past a certain age, theyd much rather get someone younger they younger who they believe they can. You know, theres not as much. Conversely, i can understand why a firm might not want to hire someone whos 60 if the retirement age is 64, because they might say, oh, well, were going to hire this person, put loads investment into this loads of investment into this person might just leave. But could leave. but leave. But could that about but you could say that about women know, birthing women too, you know, of birthing age. To age. Oh, were not going to hire. Were going to hire hire. Were not going to hire this she looks this person because she looks like at some point like she might at some point get pregnant. Like she might at some point get pregnant that probably well, i think that probably is a consideration for some businesses, be really. E eml i mean, in an ideal world. I mean, in an ideal world. World, but, but in an ideal world, but, but but , what alan says, but conversely, what alan says, if if retirement is if the if the retirement age is raised to 70, thats less of a problem, isnt it . Now, there might be other problems with people wanting to work people who are wanting to work until 80 or 70 or otherwise, but hiring someone at 60 becomes a more attractive prospect if the state retirement age is 70. Yeah, true, andrew says the idea of conscription into the services is not sensible. Conscripts wont serve the country well. Give recruitment back to the services, not the private sector. Takes three private sector. Takes three years form a competent years to form a competent professional sending professional soldier sending people the military who people into the military who dont would be dont want to be there would be a and money. I a waste of time and money. I think probably the most think thats probably the most sensible andrew yeah, sensible view. Andrew yeah, probably. Maybe some other kind of service. Of National Service. Yes. Well, i dont know. I think, i think theres, i think there is something to say about there is something to say about the in which the army the unique way in which the army sort a sense of duty sort of instils a sense of duty within people. Yeah, absolutely. Keep well, yeah, absolutely. Keep your views coming in because up next, thats all next, thats. Well, thats all from us today. Thank you for being with us. But up next is Martin Daubney martin. Thank you very much for joining Martin Daubney martin. Thank you very much forjoining us. Whats coming up on your show . Three till 6 00. Cracking show chaps. A tough act to follow as even a tough act to follow as ever, but what ive got is, are the tories heading for a red wall rout . So much so, theyre deploying Boris Johnson to save the day. But well have Dame Andrea Jenkins say this is the ultimate dead cat story in fact, rishi sunak and boris havent even spoken in months. This is just something theyre throwing out there to try and get away from. The fact lee anderson is leading a rebellion. Talking of which, weve got news of another rebellion, this time Suella Braverman law and order. Pray braverman on law and order. Pray to stay unholy racket. Immigration being gamed. The church of england are surely to blame to pay or not to pee. Well, look at a council thats had a 3030 9,000 increase in issuing £88 fines to people having a wee in a layby and people arent happy about it. Plus, a truck driver fined £66,000 by border force after Illegal Immigrants stowing away were found in the back of his truck. It wasnt his fault, but truck. It wasnt his fault, but hes got to pay. Well talk to the truck driver Owner Company who says its an absolute outrage. All that coming on my show three till six. But first time for your latest Weather Forecast. Forecast. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. News. Hello again. Heres your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. More rains to come as we go through the next few days , go through the next few days, especially in the northwest. But it to mild, albeit it is going to be mild, albeit also windy because we have an area pressure developing area of low pressure developing currently to the wards, the northwest of uk is then northwest of the uk that is then dragging in our air from the southwest, which is a mild direction but it is dragging some pretty cloudy into, some pretty cloudy air into, which cloudy which is why its a cloudy picture and staying cloudy as we go evening and go through the evening and overnight. Few drizzly overnight. A few drizzly outbreaks wales, outbreaks for england and wales, but scotland and northern but across scotland and northern ireland. We have ireland. Here we have some heavy, rain pushing heavy, persistent rain pushing its way in and that will reach the far north england the far north of england and wales two is going wales later on. Two it is going to a mild night, temperatures to be a mild night, temperatures not many of us, not dropping for many of us, perhaps something bit perhaps something a little bit fresher the fresher pushing in towards the far north that band far north of the uk. That band of then edges a little of rain then edges a little bit further southwards as we go through tomorrow, doesnt through tomorrow, but it doesnt make progress , so it make any quick progress, so it is to linger and stall is going to linger and stall across of northern across parts of northern england, northern central wales, to mostly dry to the south of this mostly dry across of central southern across much of central southern england could some england and wales, could be some brightness , particularly towards brightness, particularly towards the east, and temperatures the east, and here temperatures should highs of around 15 should get to highs of around 15 or 16 celsius, a little bit colder this across northern colder than this across northern parts, but a greater chance of seeing skies. Parts, but a greater chance of seeing skies. But seeing some sunny skies. But watch for the strong winds, watch out for the strong winds, especially north. Especially in the far north. Risk of gales as we go risk of gales here as we go through tomorrow. That through later on tomorrow. That band of rain edges little bit band of rain edges a little bit further northwards pushes further northwards again pushes into of scotland, staying into parts of scotland, staying dner into parts of scotland, staying drier but drier towards the south. But more come as we go more rain to come as we go through the end of the week, albeit is more albeit friday is looking more showery should showery and saturday should start. Start mostly dry. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. A very good afternoon to you wonderful people. Its 3 pm. Welcome to the Martin Daubney show on gb news. Broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk today. Reform uks first ever mp has now crossed the floor of the house of commons, taking up a seat with Opposition Mps sat in the naughty corner. 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