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Peace process. We want to see a two state solution based on 1967 borders, land swaps between those two countries, an agreement on jerusalem, an agreement on jerusalem, an agreement on jerusalem, an agreement on the right of return. How could you do that as a government if benjamin is a Peace Process, how could you . How could you do that if, as a government, you, you know, if you win the next election , you you win the next election, you would be supportive of calls for Benjamin Netanyahu to be arrested and potentially sent to the hague if he ever stepped foot in britain. Well, the agreement, the bafis well, the agreement, the basis of any peaceful resolution to conflict, is always got to be the rule of law. So i cant ask you the question the other way round. I cant see how you could propose a long term peace settlement in the middle east if it wasnt going to be underpinned by International Law, by partners agreeing security and respect for palestinians and israelis alongside each other. Lets not forget, this is this is a conflict which is not a zero sum game. What israel needs is a is a palestinian state alongside it that gives it security and a long term peace settlement. The palestinians need their own state and dignity too. So that has got to be the basis of a Peace Process and an International Law has surely got to be the basis by which those two sides agree to do that. Are you worried about losing the muslim vote . I take nothing for granted when it comes to any community now. I think in any part of the uk , from the top of scotland to uk, from the top of scotland to cornwall, labour is the only competitive party. The only party that can say if you want a change from the present government, were your vehicle to do that, but we will take seriously and always take seriously and always take seriously the needs and concerns of every community. Because, lets be frank, weve had all these opinion polls, not a single vote has been cast and will not be cast for a long penod will not be cast for a long period of time. So we will take absolutely nothing for granted. But we will campaign for the bafis but we will campaign for the basis of the change the uk needs. Okay. And look just to, to okay. And look just to, to bnng okay. And look just to, to bring us, bring us back extra domestic. Now labour apparently wants to make it easier to change gender, a vote for labour is a vote for more blokes in womens changing rooms. Is it . Womens changing rooms. Is it . No. I think we want to treat every community in the uk with dignity and respect. We are dignity and respect. We are committed to single sex spaces. We think thats an important part as it is already under the equality act. So we arent proposing any changes there. But as a conversation , as a as a as a conversation, as a as a part of a general election campaign, i would hope everyone, politicians and broadcasters would treat every community with the respect that surely they all deserve, okay. Look, just on the economy , inflation is now at its economy, inflation is now at its low. I suspect this might be one of the reasons why rishi sunak decided to call this election in the driving rain outside downing street, while steve bray screamed at him, by the way. But inflation is now at its lowest level for around three years anyway. It could be argued, couldnt it, that the tories have steadied the ship a bit here . That the end of record taxation is in sight . We can practically smell the money that. But to meet your spending commitments, as i understand it, i dont think that non doms and vat on private schools is going to cut it. Okay, there is a fear that you might smash, you know, with inheritance tax, with Capital Gains tax, with cutting tax relief on pensions contributions, battering second home owners, introducing a wealth tax. Are you going to make us poorer . Make us poorer . No, we have taxes at historically high levels under the conservative party and quite Poor Public Services at the same time. Thats because the economy hasnt grown anything like anyone would have wanted it to grow for the last 14 years. On things like business investment, on productivity. Theyve dropped off a cliff in the last 14 years. That is why people at the end of this parliament will be worse off than they were at the beginning, and theres no way to avoid that. That is the conservative record on the economy. We have ruled out all of the things that youve just said. We have put forward where we want to see improvements, switch spends. So, yes, to employ 6500 additional teachers in state schools, we will charge vat and Business Rates on private education. Thats a very small part of the population. Its a pragmatic response to putting more money into state education. We will not have the big loopholes in the change. On the non dom taxation policy. The government have had. You cant put your foreign assets into trust under labour and therefore theres more revenue that will pay theres more revenue that will pay for the 40,000 extra nhs procedures every week that will be available under a Labour Government. We will do some some government. We will do some some changes to how private Equity Income is taxed to provide, again, an improvement in public services. More support for young people in terms of Mental Health in schools and breakfast homes. In schools and breakfast homes. But these are the these are the choices that will be available. These are switch spins of things we would do differently that would bring about an immediate improvement. I know some people, quite a lot of people actually will say, look, there are so many problems in the uk right now. How can anyone make a difference . How can any general election or politics make a difference . Well, i think you do that by showing those practical first steps you would take. Weve got six in the labour party. They include the things ive just mentioned and thats how we will start. Youve pre empted youve pre empted national renewal, which is so essential youve pre empted my final question to you and thank you very much for your time, but i im going to ask to ask, can you do one better than wes streeting . Come on, give us the give us the six pledges. Well, they are first of all, economic stability. So we never repeat the disaster of liz truss. The second first step is the 40,000 extra nhs procedures every week. The third procedure is the pledge on illegal immigration, which weve just discussed on this. The fourth is switching on gb energy. Really switching on gb energy. Really excited by this. A new state Energy Company working with the private sector on those energy things. The fifth is tackling anti social behaviour because well do the Police Efficiency programme more Police Officers and pc s ors and the 60s. The 6500 teachers, the sixth well get under a Labour Government. Thank you. All right thank you. All right jonathan, look, thank you very much, mr reynolds. Great to have you on the show. And no doubt you on the show. And no doubt well be talking to you a bit more over the next six weeks. Take care. All right. That is the shadow business secretary, Jonathan Reynolds there. Fair play Jonathan Reynolds there. Fair play to him, i must say, for at least getting at least getting all of those six. Right. Okay so its on. Its happening. The election has been called and we will have a general election on the 4th of july. This election will take place at a time when the world is more dangerous than it has been since the end of the cold war. Keir starmer immediately hit back night. The Prime Minister has finally announced the next general election, a moment the country needs and has been waiting for. June. July the 4th is the date that britain decides. But is this the right time to call it . Lets have a little look, shall we . Rishi sunak is expecting flights to rwanda to take off the ground in the first week of july, and now european nafions week of july, and now european nations are copying us. Indeed, what weve just seen in the last few weeks is 15 eu countries actually all making the same point that thats what this this requires. Thats why our rwanda scheme is so important. Well, the tories have apparently deported 10,000 people back to their home country. Thats 2000 up on this time last year on the economy. Inflation has fallen to its lowest level in almost three years. Our economy is now growing faster than anyone predicted, outpacing germany, france and the united states. And this morning it was confirmed that inflation is back to normal. This means that the pressure on pnces this means that the pressure on prices will ease and Mortgage Rates will come down. This is proof that the plan and priorities i set out are working on legal immigration. Today, it was announced that there has been an 80 fall in students bringing their dependents over. Good. Theres been a 58 fall in care workers bringing their dependents over. Good tomorrow the net migration numbers will be revealed and its expected that those numbers will be much lower than the figure of 672,000 last year. Although many people will still think that is way too high. Sunak will have looked at what the labour party has done this week. And you heard me questioning Jonathan Reynolds on some of this stuff earlier on. Theyve decided essentially to make an enemy of israel. Some would say labours position is that the decision by the International Criminal court chief prosecutor to apply for arrest warrants is an indication that matter for the court and the prosecutor, and labour believes that the uk and all parties to the rome statute have a legal obligation to comply with orders and warrants issued by the court. Labour wants to make it easier for people to change gender. This means that rishi sunak can go to the polls and tell you, the voter, that a vote for labour is a for vote more blokes in womens changing rooms. But with all of these polling companies, look at that list. Theyre putting labour ahead of the tories and the latest poll showing that labour has a 17 point lead over the conservatives. Rishi sunak certainly has a mountain to climb. And so we have a little reminder there it is of how that climb started. Rishi sunak standing , getting soaked in the standing, getting soaked in the driving rain while someone down drowned out his speech with the song. Things can only get better. And this morning it was confirmed that inflation is back to normal. To normal. Well, lets have a little compare, shall we, to keir starmer , a lectern with the word starmer, a lectern with the word change on it inside and two union flags clearly audible. Union flags clearly audible. Most importantly of all, we do all this with a new spirit of service as country, first, party second. Well, the question is all this really, arent they . Hows rishi sunak pick the right moment to call an election or has he lost it before . Its even started . Lets get the thoughts from our panel. Weve got the director of popular conservatives, mark littlewood, businessman and activist adam brooks , an author and brooks, an author and journalist, rebecca reid. And i journalist, rebecca reid. And i am actually tempted to start, by the way, with with that breaking news that we had earlier from our Political Editor, Christopher Hope. And ill put this to you, mark. Apparently there is an ongoing plot by conservatives to stop this election. Yeah. I mean, this sounds ludicrous to me as i understand the rules. You could still the rules. You could still trigger a leadership election in the conservative party i mean, it would be a death wish of all death wishes. Now, rishi has called the election, but to achieve that, youd need 53. I think it is. Conservative mps would have to write a letter to graham brady. They still have the technical ability to do that. They would then be a vote of no confidence that sunak would almost certainly win overwhelmingly. So its not just triggering the 53 to call that no confidence motion. You then no confidence motion. You then need 175 to go along with this plan. They have nowhere near plan. They have nowhere near that level of support. So i think actually if this gets off the ground any more than it already has, it makes the conservative party and the plotters look even more preposterous. If people had wanted to get rid of rishi sunak, they needed to do this 6 or 12 months ago. And there has never been sufficient support to even trigger a contest, were warned. They were warned. You know how bad things are going to get under rishi, right . But im just saying they could have i mean, its required 53 tory mps at any time to trigger that contest, then about 170 to remove the leader of the party. You cant try doing this on the day the leaders called an election. When you look at when you listen to Jonathan Reynolds, so confident and competent and quiet and gentle and thoughtful, can i just look at that . And i look at this silly, child like nonsense. Yeah, right. I get that he was able to talk. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, by the way , the which is, by the way, the least tsitsipas. And he does seem like quite a nice chap. All right. Having not actually met him personally. One thing i will say, though, is he wasnt particularly strong at all when it came to the gender stuff, which is going to play a big part if the conservatives get their backside in gear and decide to do something on that, its not the platform and labour are going to have an Asylum Seeker amnesty essentially for about 90 odd thousand, save money in the long term, but is better to do that. And then the problem, the problem is of course, theyre all going to be brain surgeons, are they . Youve got a what . So sorry. People who are brown cant be brain surgeons. No muslim people from other countries cant be brain surgeons. I was in the middle of it to make people. I was in the middle of a list arade dam i hadnt finished my list. You always try to make people look like theyre racist or homophobic in the middle of a do it to me every week. Now youre doing it to patrick. Its a bad, bad trade. Every week i try and make you seem homophobic or racist. Lets deal with them every week. Lets deal with the m atter. Matter. Why would that be easy . Why would that be easy . Lets deal with the matter in hand. Which is which is what we were saying there, really. Which is that its all very well and good. Keir starmer having some of these six pledges. However, there are concerns and Jonathan Reynolds was not necessarily able to just swat away things that people will care about, which which is the Asylum Seeker backlog. I think even you couldnt help liking him in that interview. The problem is he hasnt got 13 years of failure behind him. Hes got a blank slate and whatever your Party Politics are, its got to be easier to have a clean, blank, fresh piece of paper, which is what theyve got now. And if i think im asking you this because i think youd represent a huge amount of our viewers and listeners, and i dont mind saying that is one of the main reasons, apart from the fact that we just like you generally that we get get you on this show all the time. How are you going to vote at the minute . I do not trust said it last week. I do not trust the tories and i do not trust labour for many reasons. Im going to vote green, arent you, at the moment i cant bring myself to vote, which is a terrible thing, because then i cant moan about what happens in the future. I think you will anyway , what i think you will anyway, what i do believe is that the Political Class of this country forgot that they are meant to represent us. They suddenly started believing over the last four years that they control us. Its gone to their heads. These. Theres so many arrogant, power hungry people now in our parliament. People like myself and many others that i speak to have lost all trust in uk politics. Now, you know, reform of set up. And i like a lot of things that they say, are they ready to get my vote at the moment . No theyre not. Were in a dire state in this country and no one trusts. Well, the majority of people i speak to do not trust uk politicians. Okay, well, look, rishi sunak has had mixed success with his five pledges, but at least he has kept one promise. So look, my working assumption is well have a general election in the second half of this year. And in the meantime, ive got lots that i want to get on with. I said in january, my working assumption is that the election will be in the second half of the year. Ive said what ive said about an election multiple times before. My working and working assumption is for an election in the second half of the year. Spoiler alert there is going to be a general election in the second half of this year. Well, it is in the second half of this year. Is the timing right, mark . Well, i mean, as i was saying, at the top of the show, patrick, i think it probably would have been better to wait till november, but probably also wouldnt have made much difference. It would have required Something Big to come along in. In the meantime, it is in the second half of next year by four days, right . I mean actually a bit less than that because february is a short month. Hes kept his promise by 72 hours. Otherwise it would have been in the early part of the im not im not too sure hes got the timing right, but look whats going to happen. You were brilliant at asking Jonathan Reynolds to recount the six pledges. Believe me, in a couple of weeks time they will be ear worming in your head. You will be bored of them over and over again. This is whats going to happen. The labor party is going to try and essentially bore people into submission, saying virtually nothing, and hope that disillusionment with the conservative is sufficient to get them over the line. Thats their strategy. The conservative tvs have got to lay a glove on the labour party, which they have not done a very good job in recent weeks and months, and to sort of have some fear about what a change of government might bring about. Thats what were going to see for the next 44 days. I think the gap will close from the polls today. I really do think it will. Lets just remember, the viewers will remember and they know this, that a lot of our economic worries and our troubles are because of covid. Now, during covid, our government become all authoritarian. They started shutting down businesses and telling us to stay at home. That has caused a lot of our problems. One government minister said to me , admitted to minister said to me, admitted to me last year we went too far and fair enough. But labour wanted harder , longer lockdowns. Labour harder, longer lockdowns. Labour would have punished us as people far worse during covid. So again, i wont be voting for ehhen again, i wont be voting for either. But how bad is it going to get under a Labour Government . All right , well, government . All right, well, ill tell you what, rebecca. What ill do is im going to read out keir starmer six pledges. Now well just get your take on them. Pick pick them through them, all of that stuff, so weve got sir keir starmer six pledges unveiled last week. Deliver economic stability , cut nhs economic stability, cut nhs waiting times, launch a new Border Security command, set up Great British energy and crackdown on anti social crackdown on anti social behaviour crackdown on anti social behaviour , and recruit 6500 behaviour, and recruit 6500 teachers. Was is there a concern that over the next six weeks hes going to have to flesh this stuff out and were going to have to see a lot more policy and a lot more things that the labour party gets picked apart in a way that theyve not done so far, because theyve not really been clear on things. I dont think so, because i think when jonathan was talking before he, he, he extrapolated very compellingly and stuff like the 6000, 6500 teachers, theyve costed it out and they believe that that will come from vat, from private schools. Now, its actually difficult to tell how many people will actually take their children out of private school. But for instance, to one, might i finish a sentence just for once . This evening . I, for instance, would have sent my child possibly to private school, possibly. But under the under these plans i wouldnt. Under a Labour Government, i wouldnt and i wouldnt need to. So i think there are more people whose children wont start it, so that will take a bit longer. But obviously lots of parents dont want to disrupt their childrens education. Everybodys First Priority is their childrens, enjoyment of their childrens, enjoyment of their education. Totally. So if you go through, they can explain how theyre going to cost these things out. And it does seem to make sense. Obviously, some of it is guesswork because theyre not in power yet, but it does seem compelling at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. Now look, im just having this fed through to me here. Now, just a reminder for you that about 20 minutes ago, we brought you that breaking news from our Political Editor, Christopher Hope, which is that apparently there is a plot by some conservative mps disgruntled conservative mps, to try to stop this general election by submitting enough letters of no confidence into the Prime Minister. I have another piece of information to bnng another piece of information to bring you now on. Its on something slightly different, but it is, of course, election related. This is whats just been reported right now, this minute in the times, rishi sunak will challenge sir keir starmer to as many tv debates as possible over the course of the election campaign. No decision has been made on the number and the format of these debates, but both parties have privately agreed in principle to participate. Ill carry on participate. Ill carry on through this. The tories are keener than labour for several debates, apparently largely because they are behind in the polls. So they have more to gain, and they believe that sunak will outperform starmer. Labour wants to limit the number of debates to 1 or 2, and will probably insist that they are head to head events, rather than including other party leaders. I think this is a fascinating little snippet of information thats coming out now. This is looking like the format of the tv debates over the course of the next six weeks. Labour apparently want just 1 or 2. They want them to be head to head. The they want them to be head to head. The tories seem to be saying well just do as many as possible all the time. Mark. Well, as many as possible. I suppose you could do three a day, right . You could do 100 or more, youre quite right, though. The reading here would be, generally speaking, in all elections in all countries , if elections in all countries, if youre a long way ahead, you dont want to take risks. Thats what ive said. Labour will do for the next 44 days. They will try to get through these seven weeks without saying anything. Basically from sunaks point of view, hes decided to spin the wheel on going early. He wants to spin the wheel as many times as possible. I think he might do quite well in those debates and, you know, because going back to rebeccas earlier point, because hes starting from a low base, so id expect there to be more than two. By the way, the interesting thing is how can they keep out all of the minor parties . I mean, i dont think any other party is consistently going to be in a platform with nigel farage. No, they sure dont. Thats the thing. And no other party, i think, is polling consistently more than about 11. So they might be able to get away with that as well. Theyll probably be a Minor Party Debate for broadcasters. But if i was running the conservative comms machine, id be trying to go for six debates and hoping i could get 3 or 4. I would say i think theres a mistake on two fronts. One is that on six you lose your viewership very, very quickly because it will be mostly the same stuff. You want Event Television and you want to really smash it once, maybe twice. But also keir starmer is a very, very sharp legal mind. This is what he did for a living. For years he was a prosecutor. So i think the idea that he wouldnt be good in a debate might be misplaced. And i think he is more limited at pmqs. I think you might find him very good, but the point that rebecca is not so much the nerds like me who will watch every minute of every debate. Yeah, its whether and you might be right. Perhaps starmer will not make a single error, but were he to drop the ball. Yeah, you get that one bad one over and over and over again, even if nobody for me, i think its obvious. The bad, the bad stuff about the tories is already baked in. People have made their minds up. Whats bad about the tories . Labour have been very quiet on certain things and if they get exposed on tv , on immigration, exposed on tv, on immigration, on the gender nonsense, it could blow up to a huge audience. Well, i think the Foreign Policy thing as well. Ill be honest with you. You know, i really do think that the Foreign Policy thing, especially when it comes to, when it comes to whats going on in israel at the moment, whether or not labouris the moment, whether or not labour is seen to be caving in to the quotes on quotes, muslim vote, the pro palestine law, it was really interesting, actually, that one of the key figures behind the muslim vote, and i say that i mean literally the organisation called the muslim vote. Co. Uk. Okay, as soon as keir starmer, came out and did his speech, they quote, tweeted it and above that it said the muslim vote starts now. Let me just put these to you. So these are rishi sunaks five pledges. Were talking about that line thats just come out right now, which is that apparently rishi sunak wants as many tv debates as possible. Here are his five pledges. Halve inflation, grow the economy, reduce debt, cut waiting lists. Stop the boats. Adam. Has he done any of those things that were seeing on our screen now . For you remind the viewers that halving inflation is nothing to do with what this government has done. Thats external markets, that supply chains. Thats not what the governments done. So we cant governments done. So we cant take credit for that. Growing the economy. No. Hes fouled debt falling im not sure on the numbers waiting lists have got got worse. Yeah. And small boats. Its rubbed in our faces every day. Illegal immigrants are coming over here and gaining our system. Will it get worse under labour . Probably, yes. Have have the tories done anything about it . No. Okay. All right. Now, now , okay. All right. Now, now, look, it really was a tale of two election speeches. All right, lets just remind ourselves of a couple of things. Here was a absolute drenched to the bone rishi sunak outside. Ten downing street earlier today. Now, i cannot and will not claim that we have got everything right. No government should. But i am proud of what we have achieved together, the bold actions we have taken. And im confident about what we can do in the future. Now im sorry, but if youre going to call the election on the steps of downing street and its absolutely throwing it down, get an umbrella, get a canopy. If you cant organise like your bang in trouble, or maybe do it inside, dare i say it a little bit like sir keir starmer, who was standing in front of a podium that spelled one word change, a rejection of the gesture. Politics you will see in this campaign, i have no doubt from the tories and the snp. Im well aware of the cynicism some people hold towards politicians at the moment. People hold towards politicians at the moment. Service of people hold towards politicians at the moment. Service of our country is the reason and the only reason why i am standing here now asking for your vote. Okay, so joining me now is the conservative mp for morley and outwood. It is Dame Andrea Jenkins. Dame andrea, thank you very much. The breaking news very much. The breaking news that we are getting here gbnews from our Political Editor is that there is a coup taking place, an attempt by conservative mps to stop this general election. Is that true , general election. Is that true, im not sure. To be honest, patrick, i havent had these conversations, not for a few weeks myself , i, not for a few weeks myself, i, i think its too late now. I mean, i put my letter in in november and as you know, i announced it on your your show , actually, on your your show, actually, patrick and i said, then come on, get your letters in. I think theyve left it too late. I mean, how as mark just said, how the heck can you change leader when the elections called . I mean, rishi, is being very clever , wasnt he, the very clever, wasnt he, the protocol normally is that you announce an election like boris did, and then you, go to the king, but he did it the other way around. So, before the letters, went in, so, so thats a really fascinating point. So rishi sunak went to the king before he announced the election. You think to make sure. Lets bring the tweet up that weve got here from from Christopher Hope. All right. Some furious conservative mps are tonight working on a plot to call off the general election by replacing rishi sunak as leader before parliament has been dissolved. He believes several dissolved. He believes several more letters of no confidence have been submitted. And so he have been submitted. And so he went to the king. You think, before announcing it deliberately to try to stop his own mps from ousting him . I mean, what a way to start an election campaign. I mean, i, i mean, i cant guarantee that, but i mean , guarantee that, but i mean, thats certainly one way to do it, isnt it . But i think now, patrick, weve got to take the fight to labour. Im seriously worried about a Labour Government. I think this is an government. I think this is an election, of a of a generation. Its a most important election of a generation. This and im going to fight tooth and nail to stop a starmer led Labour Government because look, weve seen hes a man who kneels. Hes a man who is so low key , he, he a man who is so low key, he, he doesnt know what a woman is. Doesnt know what a woman is. Hes trying to get corbyn into number 10. Like youve said. And number 10. Like youve said. And look how he bowed to the pro palestinian mob, and put pressure on the speaker. I mean, i was bobbing in pmqs today. Patrick. I didnt get in unfortunate. And i was going to ask a question on this. Weve seen whats happened today with ireland, with, spain and norway. Ireland, with, spain and norway. And i wanted to say to the Prime Minister, can we make sure that britain will never bow to terrorism , but i dont think we terrorism, but i dont think we can guarantee that with a starmer led Labour Government. What do you make of the way that rishi sunak decided to actually announce this election today, then . I mean, you know, are you are you does it fill you with confidence for what lies ahead . Why do you think he went to do it today . Some people are saying, well, you know, inflation is at its lowest level pretty much for three years. Weve got the, the visa dependent numbers. They are down. No doubt net migration will be lower than it was this time last year, although it couldnt get too much higher couldnt get too much higher could it. So you know there are some positives. Youre going to have to go out and campaign for this guy. Are you going to im going to campaign for common sense conservative and patrick, as i do in every election now, i party, this is something that theitories are going to 7, 7 7 party, this is something that thel do es are going to 7, 77 party, this is something that thel do in are going to 7, 77 party, this is something that thel do in every ing to 7, 77 party, this is something that thel do in every election 7, 7 7 party, this is something that personally wouldnt have gone thel do in every election now, 77 7 7 as i do in every election now, i personally wouldnt have gone now, ive, i, i even said to, now, ive, i, i even said to, the Prime Minister myself , i the Prime Minister myself , i now, ive, i, i even said to, the Prime Minister myself, i met now, ive, i, i even said to, the Prime Minister myself, i met with him recently and i said, we with him recently and i said, we need a major war cabinet need a major war cabinet reshuffle. Get some red meat. Reshuffle. Get some red meat. True conservatives in there, true conservatives in there, lets get, you know, a true lets get, you know, a true conservative as deputy prime conservative as deputy Prime Minister, and then lets have minister, and then lets have some true conservative policies some true conservative policies and lets lower taxes further in and lets lower taxes further in the autumn statement, then have the autumn statement, then have an election. But lets lets have a little an election. But lets lets have a little look, shall we . If youre right, look, shall we . If youre right, just stay with me on the line. Just stay with me on the line. Im going to im going to have a quick chat with you about this. And then im going to go to my panel on it, because im keen to get their views as well. So there is a massive issue with this crossover in the country at the moment with the hard left, the moment with the hard left, the pro palestine lot as well, and where labour are with that. Okay so this is this could potentially be labours reform moment. And here are some of the labour mps in seats with a large Muslim Population who are being targeted because of their abstentions on ceasefire votes. Now lets keep this on the screen. Weve got Shadow Health secretary wes streeting , weve secretary wes streeting, weve got shadow justice secretary shabana mahmood, shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth, shadow business minister rushanara ali, this could be a problem, could it not . Dave andrea for the labour party, this is something that the tories are going look, shall we . If youre right, just stay with me on thhavez. Look, shall we . If youre right, just stay with me on thhave to the tories are going to have to emphasise, isnt it . This isnt could be a problem. It is a problem for the labour party. As i said, look how we bowed to the mob and put pressure on the speaker. That was unprecedented, that is just shows you where his heart is. And as is being called in the media, is being called, on gb news slippery starmer. He is. And the whole , slogan of change. And the whole, slogan of change. But not all change is good. Change patrick and i believe a starmer led Labour Government will not be good change for our country. Weve seen this stuff going in scotland, going on in scotland. What went on in scotland. What went on in scotland with the gender stuff and i think well see it here. Patrick i think youll see seriously fear a labour led government. Government. Okay. And what what is the what is the thing you fear most . I fear , i mean, i think the i fear, i mean, i think the Prime Minister has come out strong on the Sex Education stuff, the whole trans stuff, and transitioning for children. I fear that, bowing down to the pro palestinian lobby and terrorism , i feel that and terrorism, i feel that and i also fear freedom of speech, weve seen over the years and the institutions weve got decades that have been , decades that have been, infringed on, and its going to get worse under labour. Dont forget that starmer was a human rights lawyer who has actually defended criminals from abroad to stop them being deported. Now, lets not forget his record on that. Patrick okay. Look, dame andrea, thank you very, very much as Dame Andrea Jenkins there, the conservative mp who is, at least putting forward a vision of what she thinks a Labour Government would look like versus what a tory government could look like. Now it is just gone 10 30. Its 10 32. And i have got the very first look at tomorrows newspaper front pages. Lets see how theyve dealt with this general election announcement, shall we . Here is the Daily Telegraph so if we have a look at this now sunak gambles on snap poll. Things can only get wetter they say. Plus a massive picture of rishi soon out there getting absolutely soaked to the bone. Lets go to the daily mail. Okay. We got the daily mail. Okay. We got the daily mail front page here. Now is the moment for britain to choose its future, they say, amid tory jitters over his shock, timing and an oh so british rain soaked speech , rishi seizes the speech, rishi seizes the initiative and says that voters must decide between two very different visions. I think ive got the guardian of i for you as well. There we go. Thats the guardian. Weve got sunaks big gamble and again , theres that gamble and again, theres that picture of him right outside downing street in the driving rain. Okay, well , look. Hey, rain. Okay, well, look. Hey, what a time. What a time for rishi sunak to call a general election. The tories seem to think he could improve their chances at the ballot box, but all the polling companies seem to have labour comfortably leading the tories by up to 27 points. Thats according to yougov and the very latest polls from savanta also makes for interesting reading. Okay, so here are here are the latest polls. Labour on 43. The tories on 26. The lib dems on ten. Reform on nine. The greens on five and the snp on three. Their predictions for that election show that labour, essentially a winning a landslide there. But, a majority of 236 is what labour would have. Okay. So it would be would have. Okay. So it would be 443 labour mps in total compared to the conservatives 124. And we might as well forget about the rest for now, dont we really . We welcome one of britains best known and most respected political pollsters is joe twyman, whos the co founder and political pollsters is joe election for political pollsters is joe up, but, what will actually happen . Well, as you and i have discussed on many occasions, patrick, polls are only ever a snapshot of Public Opinion at the moment. And at the moment, things look very bad for the conservatives and delta polls latest survey from monday. Labour have a 22 point lead. Labour have a 22 point lead. Good enough, as you said on the other polling as well for a landslide majority. But its the long term trends here that are really important. The conservatives have not been ahead in any published poll by deltapoll or otherwise, since the 6th of september, since the 6th of december 2021, and labour have had a double digit lead in every single poll since the 26th of september 2022. These are long standing trends, and when you look beyond voting intention, you see just the trouble that the conservatives are in on leadership. Keir starmer is nearly 30 points ahead of rishi sunak on whos doing the best job and on the economy. This all important issue for so many people, the conservatives are in dire circumstances and indeed have been now going right the way back to june 2023, before we get stuck into a little bit about what you mentioned there, when it comes to the specifics of the head to heads on the leaders and maybe some key topics as well, whos doing well on immigration, the economy, i just want to talk about the actual timing of this election. You alluded to it there. I believe weve got School Holidays at play here. I think in some areas anyway, of the country i think. Yeah, what weve got the euros, weve got the euros. So theres a lot going on here. How is that timing going to affect the turnout . People are on holidays. Good grief. Its all going on. Yeah i think well i mean various people will have , will various people will have, will have booked holidays and, and wont be here to vote, but they can of course arrange postal votes and proxies and so on and so forth. But will any of this have an impact on the overall result . I think its i think its very unlikely, but as for why call the election for the 4th of july . Well i guess thats the question that rishi sunak has to answer. And indeed , he has to answer. And indeed, he offered no explanation in his speech on the steps of downing street today, of course, the Prime Minister calls the general election when they think things will not get any better, and presumably the indication to rishi sunak is that both, from a pubuc rishi sunak is that both, from a Public Opinion point of view and also perhaps from an internal conservative party point of view, he may feel that this is the best he can manage. It might not be the best or the most convenient time for an election, but it may turn out from his perspective to be the least worst. Okay , now lets talk about okay, now lets talk about some of the quotes on quotes fringe parties here. And i have got a little bit of a clip from sir ed davey from the liberal democrats. Democrats. Across the country, people are crying out for change. And this election is the chance to make that happen. This government is out of touch. Its out of excuses and its out of time. Yes yes. And its time to get this conservative government out of office. Yes you say joe, sorry to do this again, but can i just say if people listen very closely to the start of this clip, it does sound a little bit like sir ed davey is about to get attacked by a load of apache indians. Who anyway, hows he going to do with the election . With the election . Well, the lib dems at the moment are on 10 in the in the polls, which is not great. And indeed pretty much where they were at the last election. But they think, and indeed, with some justification, believe that they can target the kind of constituencies that the conservatives have held but have struggled to hold on to in by elections where those constituencies have leant more towards the centre, or indeed even the left of the political spectrum, and particularly in those constituencies that lean towards remain in the in the brexit referendum. And so if you brexit referendum. And so if you think of those areas in the south west, for instance, where David Cameron was ruthlessly efficient in 2015 and sweeping across those areas and winning for the conservatives, the lib dems will be trying very hard in those areas, along with certain areas of to london, win back those kind of seats and build up the kind of presence that they havent had in the, in the house of commons for many years now. Now, do reform for me again. The other news this evening is that apparently nigel farage is that apparently nigel farage is sleeping on the idea that he might stand, and we are expecting some kind of announcement from reform, which we will bring to you live here on gb news at 11 am. Tomorrow. So set your timers, set your reminders on your phones, everybody watching and listening to this right now. How well will reform do . How well will reform do if nigel does stand . Well, it depends how you define how. Well, i think its very unlikely that reform will win any individual seats, even if nigel farage stands. I think its very difficult for them to win, any individual constituencies. There is no constituencies. There is no obvious area where theyre where they should do particularly well, or at least well enough to win. If you look at somewhere like blackpool south, which of course had its by election relatively recently, that is the kind of area that should be absolute prime areas for reform, given the given the demographics and the and the voting background of that area. And background of that area. And yet, though reform did well compared to the conservatives labour won by some distance. And i think that they may they may struggle in similar circumstances across the, across the country, assuming, of course, that they can get the kind of candidates that they needin kind of candidates that they need in enough seats. Joe, look , thank you very, joe, look, thank you very, very much. Youre another man who i think im going to be talking to a heck of a lot over the course of the next six weeks. So good for you. Take care. Joe twyman, theres a co founder and director of delta pole. Let me just reintroduce to the frame our wonderful panel here. Ive got director of popular conservatives mark little with businessman and activist adam brooks and author and journalist rebecca reid. The election has been announced on the fourth. Sorry for the 4th of july, but what will nigel farage do . This is what he told us here gbnews earlier. Fight the election. As for what i do, ill think about it overnight. So thats no commitment either way. No commitment either way from me at the moment. I will think about it overnight. About it overnight. Do you think hell do it, mark . I would have said over the last 2 or 3 weeks i expected him not to run. Hes very not to run. Hes very interested. Hes been very honest on gb news about this. He honest on gb news about this. He i think he even said hes more interested in whats happening interested in whats happening in america, where hes very close to donald trump. So i would have thought he was not going to run. I would still think, and just as weve heard from the pollster there, its hard to see a seat. He could win. He possibly could pull one off if he ran himself. And they put everything behind it. He might he might win a seat. I was leaning against him running. But here are two things that might be weighing with him. Our be weighing with him. Our election is now, surprisingly, in july. The default was our election was almost going to be the next week after the us election. So potentially that opens up a window for him. And the other thing, and im perhaps reading a bit too much into this. If hes not running, im a bit surprised that reform uk have sort of announced an announcement for 11 00 tomorrow morning. Yes, youre usually announce these sort of things if youve got sort of Something Big to say rather than say nothings happening. But on balance, i still suspect he will not run. Adam, what do you make of the idea that nigel farage could stand . Lets not underestimate how good, being on the jungle was for nigel. It opened up a new audience and showed a human side to nigel. I believe hes probably more popular now than hes ever been. I mean, you mentioned clacton. Possible. Possible seat there. Clacton if he could get a seat, then suddenly hes got some sort of influence within our parliament. I think it would be a good move for him to do it. And i think you think he will somewhere like clacton would would for vote him, i believe. And ive got relatives there. What do you reckon, Rebecca Sills nigel farage, potentially standing again. Ill just emphasise to you were expecting to hear from reform at 11 am. Tomorrow. Nigel said that he was going to sleep on it and well find out. I mean, i would have put him in the lords years ago because i think that would have calmed him down, given him some status, would it wouldnt have been a problem. Whoever didnt is an idiot. I think the issue of being an mp is that its very hard work. You actually have to show up every day. Its really quite time consuming. And if he wants to be in america schmoozing, hes a very charming, very well liked man who likes socialising and having some freedom. Its actually not a fun job. I think he might not enjoy it. Yeah i think its interesting. I thought that if it was november rishi, i thought actually that was one of the reasons why rishi sunak would do it in november. Because it would make nigel farage choose between campaigning in, you know, rainy market towns, you know, around the north of england or lets be honest with you, having a great time in america with the don. And i thought that would give him a very difficult opportunity. And now hes made his mind up for him, hasnt he . I dont know what nigel is going to do. Ive got no idea. Im not sure. At this moment in time, if nigel knows what hes going to do. But we will find out very, very shortly on gb news. Look, im just going to emphasise this. This is going to be a key driving factor. We talked about reform. Now lets talk about it from the other side. When it comes to the left wing labour, some of those labour mps let me remind you, with large Muslim Populations in their seats who are going to be absolutely battered by candidates, independent candidates or Workers Party of britain candidates who are mad at them over gaza Shadow Health secretary wes streeting, shadow justice secretary shabana mahmood, shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth, shadow business minister rushanara ali. I think this could well be a big problem for laboun could well be a big problem for labour. Mark. Yeah, i think youre right on this. We obviously saw the first signs of it in the in the rochdale by election, right. I mean all sorts of things went wrong for labour and they dropped their own candidate. Im not suggesting theyre going to drop wes streeting from ilford or anything like that, but, its unlikely if the polls are right, that this will make a decisive difference to who forms the next government. But if you were to look a bit longer term, i think on their left flank, if they are in government, theyre going to have a huge problem. Theyve got a problem. Okay, rachel views on this. Okay, rachel views on this. Im increasingly of the opinion that im not sure you should be able to have Political Parties that are based around religion, whatever the religion is. I feel very weird about the idea that you have a candidate who is mandated by their faith, managing a group of people who live in their constituency, who dont subscribe to that faith. And it feels really uncomfortable to me. So i think theres a conversation to be had about whether thats appropriate,. From any faith. I think it might be cleaner if none of them can. Yeah, but i mean, they are, though. This is the thing. This is the thing. So lets lets me because some of the things that i particularly really, really care about, like womens rights are not necessarily in line with some very i think most attracts muslim votes is not specific. No, its not, its not its not them as the vote, which is a confusing terminology. Yes it is. yes it is. Yeah. Theres a crossover there. I think in terms of labour and this issue, i would say all theyre doing is respecting the icc. And i think thats important. And we need to respect the icc. We need to have it. Is there a big issue, adam, for you about whether or not labour now, some of the things that weve started to see in the last few weeks, especially whether or not labour are caving in to this pro palestine group, many people would call it, i have called it actually, and ive got every right to call it because of some of the things ive seen with my own eyes the pro palestine mob, their anger in people on all sides. I think by their stance, the labour party, you know, they want to try and please everyone, but they cant. And again, i think rishi sunak should really press him on this in the head to heads. And it would be very enlightening to the audience and to the voters. What keir starmer actually believes and what theyre going to do. Going forward. But i think he believes in a two state solution, which is generally regarded to be a fairly reasonable thing. And the 1968 boundary delineations, which again, is generally regarded to be quite reasonable now. Well, those are all the hope of the conservatives, i think, and this has been reiterated to me by a number of strategists and senior tory mps, is that support for the labour party is a mile wide, but potentially only an inch deep. And from whats a very high level for the labour party at the moment, at the start of the election campaign, you might find little bits of it being chipped away at some going off to left wing muslim groups, others deciding that they dont really trust the education policy because they want to send their kids to private school. Their kids to private school. And if its true that its a mile wide and only an inch deep, you might see little bits of it chipped away 1 here, half a percent there, 2 somewhere else. And i take your point, but i think its a really good sign about the labour party that theyre not that they are sticking where they can for their integrity. It would have been very easy for them to say, you know what . Were not with israel at all. That would have been easy for them, and it would have been popular with the people whod naturally vote for them. And im glad they havent done that because they purged. They purged anti semitism from the party for anti semitism from the party for a reason. Appropriately, we used to have problem with it. Now we honestly dont. For elections in a row, theyre desperate to win this. Hes saying its a changed labour party, though i wonder whether or not, over the course of this campaign, we are going to see the tories trying to hammer them on whether or not they are going to come out and really shout about the idea that jewish people now around the country do not feel safe to walk the streets in many cases. Yeah, ive heard the same, you know, from jewish taxi drivers and many people that they are scared to go into london over weekend and that they could now never vote for laboun they could now never vote for labour, lets remember keir starmer backed Jeremy Corbyn to be the Prime Minister of this country, knowing that there was a problem with anti semitism in the labour party. And then he fixed it. I didnt vote forjeremy i didnt vote for Jeremy Corbyn because of anti semitism, and i have no qualms voting for. Ill tell you what keir starmer will get right. And we heard from Jonathan Reynolds, of course, earlier in your show, patrick, the shadow cabinet ministers will be on script and pretty crisp. Keep your eye on slightly loony leftie labour backbenchers. Oh yeah. Absolutely thats wholly off script. Yeah i bet you that will make Headline News more than once. What makes politics . One thing thats not being brought up could we have a resolution or some news in the angela rayner, debacle as well, in the coming possibly. Could that being investigated . Could that affect a general election . Who knows . Possibly. Election . Who knows . Possibly. I would think that the tories want some sort of news to come out about that. But we cant talk about it can we. Because its being. Yeah. Is this right . Yeah so its yeah its fine. This is currently currently a bit of a sticky wicket, but, someone who we were mentioning there kind of slightly, slightly loony leftist, is this chap called . No im sure many of you will know about it. Right. Its called steve bray. Now, this guy stands with a megaphone and tries to ruin a load of broadcasts and get his message out there. But today. Okay, what we heard really was the bloke , steve really was the bloke, steve bray, with a load of speakers outside downing street ready to blast music at rishi sunak. The Prime Minister, as he made his announcement, and then finally , announcement, and then finally, eventually the police decided to get involved. Here it is. Are get involved. Here it is. Are you proud of yourselves, boys and girls . Fascist this is not law. Fascist this is not law. Fascist this is not law. This is not law. Fascist this is not law. This is not law. This is not this is not law. This is not law. A law was broken law. A law was broken specifically to do this to this man. There is a long established constitution rule against particular law , long established particular law, long established this country has fallen to fascism. Fascism. Do you not find it absolutely remarkable that the Prime Minister decided to stand outside in the driving rain today, and that no Police Provision was made for the fact that that chap was going to turn up . And obviously because he literally just basically lives on an island in the middle of the road outside , there was the road outside, there was going to try to ruin it, and it just made me think , ma, if the just made me think, ma, if the Prime Minister or his staff cannot sort out an umbrella and shutting up a bloke with a megaphone, then what chance have we got . You know, a very good point about steve breyer. I mean, you called him a loony left. He actually ran for the liberal democrats at the last election, not that im suggesting. That doesnt mean hes a loony lefty. Heres the problem, steve bray has been a problem for years, not just not just today. And it is not freedom of speech to be able to drown out everybody else in the sw1 postcode area. Who wants to speak . Its breach of the peace. Its would you ban him . Its would you ban him . Would you ban him . Arade dam. Would you ban him . Arade dam. Repeated, i would, i would somehow sanction him that he cant do this because lets remember, ive had a run in with with that man. Yeah. On Parliament Green during during a protest. And you know, i cant really say what i want to say on here, but he is a character. But how can we imagine if someone like Tommy Robinson blared music or one of his associates, or someone that was deemed far right, blared music during that . They would be dragged off and battened before we could say, you know, stop. Why do they let him have so much time and so much sort of a restraining order . The idea, rebecca, that this bloke could turn up and you could see it coming a mile off whether or not it should have been allowed to happen in drowning it out with the music of things can only get better. Or is it . There is a side of it that says this is something thats quintessentially unique about british politics. He is annoying. Absolutely. I have to walk past him frequently. He irritates me. However the thing that we always say about free speech is we have free speech because you can go and stand on Speakers Corner and stand on Speakers Corner and you can do whatever you like, and that is what hes doing. Its keeping him busy. Hes got somewhere to do, something to do, leave him be pubuc something to do, leave him be public nuisance. So okay, now ive got a couple more of tomorrows newspaper front pages for you. Lets do it. Here is the daily mirror. So the daily mirror have gone for drown and out what will potentially become quite an iconic image of a soaking wet rishi sunak on his way back into downing street after doing that election announcement in the rain. Heres the times for you now. So the times have gone for sunak bets the house. Wow. Okay. And that picture of him again there in downing street. Pm calls snap election for july the 4th. Britain must choose its future country. First party second vows labour. The compare and contrast there between what theyve said. Ive also. Yeah well there we go. So those are your front pages. All right. So those are all of your front pages. And the starmer the keir starmer thing, i think was absolutely fascinating as well, coming out doing his speech. And if we might be able to rope up a clip of that at some point as well. But yeah, him saying, look, im going to put party first. Its all about duty. Its all about whatever. Yeah. And do you think that the public are going to buy that because hes his slogan. There was just change, which actually normally plays quite well as a slogan. Well, it plays well as a slogan when youve had one party in office for 14 years. But here is a drinking game that i would advise no gb news viewer to get involved in. Do not play the drinking game of having a shot. Every time you see keir starmer next to a union jack, you will get drunk very quickly. If you play get drunk very quickly. If you play that drinking game, weve got it. Weve got a very quick clip here of some of the stuff that keir starmer was saying today. Importantly of all, we do all this with a new spirit of service , this country, first service, this country, first party, second. Okay, so everybody, thank you very much for having tuned for in the whole entirety of this. If you have watched, you will know is that we have had nearly two hours of first class political analysis and after two hours of first class political analysis, it is time for something completely different. Full disclosure, we had already paid for this guest before rishi sunak called the election, but we thought, why not keep him and have him sing us out . We thought, why not keep him and have him sing us out . I welcome have him sing us out . I welcome the elvis tribute act sal bashir. Sal, thank you very much. The reason why we originally booked you is because we were going to do a segment on the elvis family having to sell graceland to pay off a whopping great big debt. And so here we are. And so here we are. Were not sure. Were not sure. And so we thought wed keep you on. All right. Now, soon. Thats got the nation all shook up, hasnt he . But its time for a little less conversation. A little more relaxation, isnt it . A little less conversation , a a little less conversation, a little bit more action, please. Absolutely fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. And come on, i want i want to i want to hear a little bit more from you, if thats all right. You are one of the countrys best elvis tribute acts. You are. You are the best way that we wanted to end this show today. One show after another lately. So ill just try my best, you know, love me tender , love me know, love me tender, love me sweet. Never let me go. You have made my life complete. Complete. And i love you so , so fantastic. Hey, look you are you are. You are absolutely remarkable. Youre a tremendous support as well. And i just want to emphasise, we, we decided that we wanted to get get salon because they apparently are selling, greatness. I mean, because they apparently are selling, greatness. I mean, i dont know, do you have any idea which way elvis would vote at the german election . So, well, it was a very patriotic, guy who loved jesus. He was a churchgoer. He thoroughly believed in the, you know, his fans. He believed in the people. So i think elvis was, very much with all colours and creeds of all shapes and sizes. He was a man of the people. And, he truly loved his public. And that included anybody from whatever faith they they were. And i think, elvis they were. And i think, elvis would have been very interested in the elections going on here because theres been a seismic change in the last 20 or 30 years, ive never known , so much years, ive never known, so much bickering and so much, caustic stuff going on in parliament. Im quite appalled with some of the, some of the words that have been employed over the last couple of years by all the major parties, and, and it just seems that were living in really crazy times at the moment. And i just hope that , the things that just hope that, the things that matter to the people like the nhs, we need to protect the nhs. Its vital that we have that. We need to probably reform the nhs because a lot of money is being spent that shouldnt be spent. Theres too much red tape, and we just need a little bit more rock and roll in parliament, think. Could i just say this is so unbelievably astute political analysis from the elvis tribute that weve got on here. Sally, you are a legend. Just before i get going, can we just have one more . It is time for a little less conversation. What do we need a bit more of . I think a little less conversation, a bit more action, please. Action, please. Yes. Are you legend . Good. Are you . Got it. Well. All right. Thank you very much, sal. All right. Thanks, patrick. All right. Thanks, patrick. Thank you guys. There we go. Right. Well look, you know, thats a few hundred quid that we literally cannot afford to lose here gbnews so we have to get our money for it. So there we are. Guys, can i just say a massive thank you . Its been a huge show today. Weve had it all from start to finish. 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And as youve been hearing, the Prime Minister has addressed the first Tory Campaign rally after confirming a 4th of july general election in a statement outside downing street today, rishi sunak made the surprise announcement and urged the nafion announcement and urged the nation to stick with him over sir keir starmer. Addressing tory Party Supporters and his cabinet at Londons Excel Centre a short while ago , he took aim a short while ago, he took aim at the labour leader on the 5th of july. Either keir starmer or i will be Prime Minister and he has shown time and time again that he will take the easy way out and do anything to get power. If he was happy to abandon all the promises that he made to become labour leader once he got the job, how can you know that he wouldnt do exactly the same thing if he were to become Prime Minister . We conservative have got a clear plan with bold action to secure our future board. So lets take that message and that vision of a secure future to every corner of our united kingdom. And lets show labour that the british people will never be taken for granted. Granted. Meanwhile, the labour leader, keir starmer, responded to the announcement, saying the election is the moment the country has been waiting for night. The Prime Minister has finally announced the next general election , a moment the general election, a moment the country needs and has been waiting for. Waiting for. And liberal democrats leader sir ed davey vowed to remove the tories from power across the country. People are crying out for change and this election is the chance to make that happen. In so many parts of the country , so many parts of the country, its the liberal democrats who can beat the conservatives who have taken people for granted. Have taken people for granted. In other news, nursery worker Kate Roughley has been sentenced to 14 years in prison for the manslaughter of a nine month old baby. She strapped Genevieve Meehan face down on a beanbag for more than an hour and a half at tiny toes nursery in stockport in may 2022. The 37 year old then failed to check on the distressed child and later found she was unresponsive. The found she was unresponsive. The former post office boss at the centre of the horizon it scandal, has admitted making mistakes during her time in charge. During a tearful evidence session at the horizon inquiry. Paula vennells insists she didnt know about the honzon she didnt know about the horizon system when she joined and that no one told her of any bugs. Shes also denied any conspiracy to cover up the scandal and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Now its time for headliners. Headliners. Hello and welcome to headliners, your first look at thursdays newspapers. Im simon evans, said. And im joined by evans, said. And im joined by recently, red pill josh howie and long term black pilled nick dixon. Thats what they say. Is it true . Is it true . Is it true . I dont even know what were talking about. Talking about. Ive had enough. Ive had enough. Well, i dont know. I mean, ive had some nurofen. Its like the right wing version of woke. Okay. But whats the black pill mean . Black pills. Just despair. Youve gone past the red pill. You see, theres no point in anything. Im not like that. Im white pilled. Im happy. People have tried to take me out. They cant. Black pill is presented. Is illustrated as the kind of drawn lots of bags under the eyes. Always a fag going in the mouth. Thats not you, is it . Thats not you, is it . No, no, ijust thats not you, is it . No, no, i just i follow god at dawn. I cant be stopped. Yeah, but you do look well, josh, youve shaved off your beard. Its taken years off you. How is it . Yeah absolutely. Well, you look well. You look very shaved your head. Yeah. Shaved my head behind my back. Kingsley. Mirrors. Kingsley. Mirrors. Ben kingsley, sexy beast. Ben kingsley, sexy beast. Thats right. Dont get me narky. I think i made a mistake, to be honest, but no, you look well. Excellent. Excellent. You look like arthur miller. You look like arthur miller. Any marilyns out there . Any marilyns out there . But he cant write. I got my marilyn anyway , i think we marilyn anyway, i think we probably can guess whats going to be on the front pages today, but lets have a quick scan, now is the moment for britain to choose its future, says a soaking wet rishi outside number 10. Thats the daily mail. Guardian. Sunaks big gamble, and if theyre talking about the weather, it failed. The Financial Times. Sunak bets on a july fourth election, a resonant date of course. The mirror drown and out a besotted the backs of his suit, their horrible savile row suit, although he doesnt pay row suit, although he doesnt pay vat. So i suppose hes all right. And finally, the metro sunak bets the house. And those were your front pages. So, as i were your front pages. So, as i say, a pretty uniform collection there. Josh, well start with there. Josh, well start with the telegraph. Yes, sir. yes, sir. Nick gambles on snap poll. And, this is all very exciting. We have six weeks of this stuff coming up, it was somewhat marred by, of course, the rain. As we can see there, no one thought to bring an umbrella or and things can only get better. Being played in the background was quite amusing. Background was quite amusing. Quite. Who did that . I think it was steve bray. I think it was steve bray. Was it . I think it was dream. Oh, sorry. You mean sorry . So this is, the interesting thing is the questions are why theyve wisely, of course , made theyve wisely, of course, made that decision. And it seems to be the analysis on the telegraph that seems that makes sense to me. Anyway, is number one is inflation is coming down to the lowest figure in three years. Yeah, number two is that immigration is also seems to be coming down some of these, which were going to be talking about some of these decisions are now making an impact. And also that the money thats going to need to be spent now on things like the blood scandal, means that theres no money in the budget. So it seems money in the budget. So it seems like they might as well do it now when theres some good news, rather than hold on a little bit longer, when theres probably going to be some more bad news. Yeah. So that that seems to be the gist of it. The question with the inflation for me is even though thats obviously very encouraging, is the sort of drag time to real life impact on people, whether, you know, people, whether, you know, people are still seeing their mortgages when theyre coming off their mortgages, theyre still paying more, not going to feel rich. Oh, its not going to be a feel good factor between now and july or probably between now and november or now and probably ever again in this country. Yeah. I mean, look, the wetness has been much commented on. I mean, it was suitable for this government because it was an absolute shower and also because rishi is a total wet. So it made sense had he had someone like a flunky holding an umbrella, of course the narrative would have been rich. Rishi gets someone to hold umbrellas. It is tricky. They probably went for this. It would have been Penny Mordaunt holding. It would have worked perfectly. I dont know why they didnt think of that. That would have been ideal on her cape. Yeah, that would have been amazing. But so that was that was ridiculous and just pathetic. And you could barely. Its like a guy trying to youre like, im trying to listen to the song here. Whos this guy talking over . Im trying to listen to derek ream. Anyway, he for some time has reminded me of the rat in flushed away. You know that the people Aardman Animations rat. No, but well say roland rat that was actually trending clearly is a rat of some sort. But anyway, flushed away rat actually gets soaking wet because he has to go through the sewer. So today it was kind of he really lent into the rat rat thing. Youve made me even feel bad for him now. But i mean, look, so. But why now . I mean, theres a few possible answers as well. One, one, theres many reasons, but one, you can catch labour off guard a little bit because they havent even got their manifesto ready. They dont have any policies. No. And starmer says this is power returns to you, which i thought was kind of ironic given hes about to preside over the most radical quangocracy, the most radically unaccountable government weve ever seen, probably. But the other question is, are reform ready . You know, theyre not ready. Theyve not got enough candidates yet. They need to sort their infrastructure and farage was saying today, earlier on this channel that he thinks its a lot to do with him. Hes gone earlier because he knows hes not ready or he thinks hes not ready. And farage is going to decide overnight what to do, which is very exciting. So theres a few points on that. So obviously reform are going to take votes away from the tories. But weve seen evidence in the local elections recently that the green party, which seems to be a not entirely ecologically focused entity at the moment, its the muslim gender ideology party. Yeah, might take votes away from the left. What do you think about that, josh . Yeah, i think they they will. The question is if its in the areas that the left is still Strong Enough to win. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Its always about the numbers isnt it. Lets move on to kenneth arrow. Woman. Lets move on to the remember that Jonathan Rhys davies on question time shouting at Caroline Lucas about the fact that, you know, no election , no electoral system election, no electoral system ever produces an entirely , ever produces an entirely, accurate. Yeah. He came into my mind again recently. It was all about whether we should welcome donald trump in in 2016. Lets move on to the guardian. Do they have anything to add to this . Well. Oh, sorry. Yeah, i think ill oh, sorry. Yeah, i think ill go one then the other. Its not quite all josh yet. I know there are some changes coming, but its sunaks big gamble which is very similar. But, its very similar. Just the guardian , the similar. Just the guardian, the angle. But its not that guy. Its just basically the same thing. But one detail i could add, which we havent heard yet, is that, gbs own Christopher Hope tweeted that some furious conservative mps tonight working on a plot to call off the general election by replacing sunak ezedi before parliament is dissolved next thursday. So imagine that you get in all your letters and you oust him and you call off the whole thing. I cant believe that would be allowed to happen because it would be such a bleep storm. But even by the tory standards, that would be absurd. I would imagine also undermine their own, you know, their legitimacy. Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Even more going into election with the third unelected with your fingernails scraping along. Yeah. But also the idea that like another leader would make a difference. I dont know if who who they get in. No churchill maybe would do it. I mean, the one thing somebody said this on, on twitter, which i thought was quite interesting that starmer, if he does come in, will be the first sort of not just post war but post. There was a generation of Prime Ministers who were who had seen active service, who remember the second world war. And obviously theyve long since been dead, but weve still had this feeling like theres a generation of tories, certainly, who remember that tradition of being a Prime Minister who had, you know, queen and country at heart and nod towards the church and some tradition. Starmer and some tradition. Starmer feels completely rootless from that point. Was it tony blair . He never did any of that stuff. Oh, he was quite christian, wasnt he . He was, i think you would. You would say not, though. You would say he. Im just saying i just dont think hes the sort of far left. Hes not a watershed moment that people. No, no, i dont think hes a crank. I dont think hes a crank. I think hes a hes quite a pragmatist. Hes a straw in the wind. Thats the problem. Well, this is this is going to be the moment of truth in that were will see. Hes sort of done and said a really everything he can to be in this position right now where were kind of unsure about him, but we dont necessarily hate him or some people dont him anyway. Tom. Yeah, he he yeah. I mean, the question is, i mean, he used to write for socialist alternatives. Hes a pabloite, which is a subset of trotskyism. So theres the hitchens claim that he actually is secretly, radically left. Then theres the other claim that hes purging the radical left. Hes much more of a blairite. And blairs written that leadership manual for him. So lets see, either way, the country is going to collapse. Yes thats true, and we just have time to have a look at paula vennells. Yes. So this is the other thing. The post office, former post office ceo , started her post office ceo, started her three day testimony today and, started crying when the families came up. Its hard to really have sympathy for her. The also the i think the families were rightly still angry and didnt feel it was necessarily possibly authentic. But thats of course, for them to decide, do you think do you think she allowed the tears to come or even sort of urged them to come . I mean, it might also just be the pressure shes under and emotionally, whether shes genuinely crying for the loss of life, the loss of peoples should be crying for her own. Well, yeah. And whether she gets to keep her, yeah. What you can do now is the matt hancock just. Oh, im just crying. I dont know if, you know, im clearly crying here. I mean, obviously im distraught. You just say youre crying. Touch your eye. It works quite well as an old man gets vaccination. Yeah. Finally, we do have an interesting story on the front page of the Financial Times. Finally, an interesting story. Yeah. This is germanys far right afd in turmoil after lead candidate speaks up for ss. So ive only just been presented with this one. Ive been very much focused on the election, but. But what i can see is that its not ideal when youre known as being a far right party to praise the ss, but his point was that it doesnt mean that there was a, that they were all criminals. Was a, that they were all criminals. It was a, that they were all criminals. It says a was a, that they were all criminals. It says a high proportion of criminals in their in these units, but i wouldnt say it was someone was automatically a criminal because he wore the wrong uniform. So its kind of like having a poster of hitler in your house. Its not ideal when you thought to be far anyway. But i will say on the flip side, Jordan Peterson has all that. Oh yeah, thats soviet russian art in my toilet. Yeah, but the flip side, of course, and i havent looked into this one enough, is that theyre desperate to cancel the afd no matter what, even though they are a legitimate party. I think it was quite interesting if you read into it. I think the point he was making, whether or not its true, i dont know enough about the ss to know whether people could find themselves involved in it, but not be criminal, or whether it has been accepted that simply being a member was criminal. But clearly the point is making is not pro ss. Its more like people got sucked into it without knowing. So if anything, as a member of the afd, it would be do you want . I mean, its like i mean, they were made a criminal organisation obviously after the war, but the point about the ss that differentiates them from the german army in which you were subscripted to is that you were subscripted to is that you were a nazi, like a signed up, full blooded nazi. Right . So it isnt like you you couldnt accidentally find yourself in the ss, but that would be so. If youre saying to be a nazi is criminal, thats fine, because there were millions of nazis. No, but i mean, beyond that, hes saying the enforcers of. Have you committed a criminal act . Well, the court has decided that being a member of the ss was a criminal act. So thats the end of it. Yeah. So. But hes saying that for me isnt enough. Well, hes i think hes trying to argue whether they committed criminal crimes in the camps or whatever. I mean, but its like the, the Morality Police in, in iran or something. Yeah. Like you sign up not because you need to, you know, you sign up, you believe it. You know, as we say, somebody said, i mean , im just, you said, i mean, im just, you know, educating myself on gunter grass, who was a Nobel Prize Winning novelist 1999, was a member. Yeah, i think you could member. Yeah, i think you could argue that people were brainwashed , but, yeah, i mean, brainwashed, but, yeah, i mean, you can make that argument caught up in it. Yeah, but still, im not. Yeah, but still, im not. Anyway, he has resigned in order not to become the story. So its thats quite interesting, just from the point of view that the afd are developing some sort of Media Training skills. Now. Theyre becoming sentient. Would that be fair to say, i dont know, maybe they already were, but theyre, it seems quite an interesting its i mean , going over a little its i mean, going over a little bit, but i just want to acknowledge that there is some, like, serious, right hard right action on the continent. Action on the continent. Isnt the holland getting the Coalition Government together . Yeah. And Marine Le Pen looking pretty strong, you know, andifs looking pretty strong, you know, and its quite ironic that after brexit, britain is the only country which is about to swing massively to. Massively to. Were going to have to rejoin to get with the populist revolution anyway. Thats it for part, for part one. Stay with us. For part two. In a couple of minutes, well have all the and welcome back to headliners. Im simon evans. Still here with josh howie and nick dixon. And before we start on the news, a quick announcement. Were hosting a night with the headliners live. You can join us for an evening of stand up comedy with andrew doyle leo. Curse myself , simon evans and curse myself, simon evans and josh howie here. For more information , scan the qr code information, scan the qr code that you can see on the screen right now. Give you a moment to get out your phones and scan that or visit gb news. Com. That will be a tremendously entertaining evening and i was asked to do it but wasnt available. Its a shame because youre a tremendous old stand up, but ive ive ive semi retired. Yeah. You could have limped out of retirement for that though. Maybe maybe i dont have much stuff anymore, but thank you. Well well crack on with these stories because we went over a bit there as we investigated the emergence of the hard right, josh, the daily mail, the first of a number of stories this evening that suggests a possible pre election stiffening. Indeed. See what i did there . I did see we did this, before businesses recruiting new staff will have to hire british workers first under non negotiable kerbs on Migrant Labour work. Secretary says, this is mel stride and the work and pensions secretary. And this is obviously to cut down migration. We have to or in the past weve had to bring in do these visas, special visas for hospitality , vie for hospitality, vie for construction and care where we have gaps. And hes basically saying , you better, you you have saying, you better, you you have to hire british people now to do that. Of course they would need to increase the wages. Yeah, to increase the wages. Yeah, and, just by saying you have to hire british people doesnt mean that british people are necessarily going to take those jobs. If theyre low paid, if hes you know, he says at the end, he says, look, theres no reason why its very hard at the moment to determine because normally in a Labour Market you 90, normally in a Labour Market you go, well, how many is it . Unemployment high. If unemployment is high, then people will work for lower wages, blah blah blah. Its all that kind of supply and demand thing, but that just doesnt quite feel like you can find any hard edges on that at the moment, do you . Well, this is it. Well, he says, look what i see. No reason why a british worker cannot be a care worker. Well, the reasons are that they dont want to be. Theyve been difficult. Theyve been allowed to grow up. Theyve been allowed to grow up. They wont have to. And it doesnt pay well. And its not a particularly nice job cleaning up peoples poo, you know. And you might well find youre surrounded by a historically speaking, non british people. And you feel somehow like youve lowered your status to, i mean , this is a status to, i mean, this is a reality, isnt it . Psychologically, if you once people slip out of these kind of modes, they dont think that i dont blame the british people. They we were. Everything worked fine before this massive amount of immigration. We filled all the jobs with british born people. It was not a problem. We didnt have people, though. We didnt have people, though. We didnt have people, though. We didnt have old people raisi people. The idea that we didnt, we didnt manage. Its complete fiction. We didnt need all this fiction. We didnt need all this immigration. And hes mel stride saying ex convicts can do it instead. As long as theyre british born. Im fine. Yeah. To do you know, some jobs have changed and its interesting. I mean, it would be a good question whether whether, you know, neutrally speaking, objectively speaking, you would say, is it better to spend an eight hours a day on a, you know , on a production line, screwing in widgets, or is it better to spend eight hours a day in a care home, you know, in the warm and dry with a certain amount of Decision Making , but also Decision Making, but also occasionally having the squalor of but , you know, but its occasionally having the squalor of but, you know, but its going to make costs go up for the consumer. Thats the thing. Thats the thing. Thats the thing. Thats thats what i mean is a lot of traditional jobs that might have been regarded as having a certain amount of status, a certain amount of, there would be, you know, youd be with a gang of mates and youd do a hard days job in the factory, and then you go and have a few beers. Those are a lot of those jobs have gone, you know, automation has done for those. Even the call centres now have gone overseas. And youre left with what some people regard as pretty, you know, squalid, undignified work. Yeah. Yeah. I dont think just work wages are going to hit. You know, i dont think its an extra couple of quid, i think i think an awful lot of people just dont fancy that kind of work. Lets see. I mean, the i finally ill believe it when i see it that immigration will actually come down. But but finally that people are making the economic argument. Maybe it will because the cultural argument may not work for everyone, but people are now realising economically its not benefited us either. So im hoping finally it comes back. Thatis hoping finally it comes back. That is true, nick. The telegraph and only one thing worse than everyone wanting to work here. Yes, well, this is very much on the same theme. Visas for Foreign Workers in uk fall by 25, and this is the biggest drop in foreigners moving to the uk. Thats not my word. Thats in the article for work and studies since the pandemic or plandemic. Shout out ofcom. But, yeah. And its saying the number of skilled workers studying healthcare visas has dropped. But actually thats slightly misleading because the skilled worker ones have actually gone up. Its the other ones that have dropped more radically. I mean, the dependents for care workers is the main one. The number of Foreign Health and care workers has fallen by 76, but skilled worker visas are up 41, which theyre saying is because theres fire sale where people are trying to get in before the threshold went up for how much you have to earn, 26,000 238,700. So there was a fire sale on that. So thats why thats gone up. But the idea is overall its going down, particularly because of the, well, the care workers, but also the pendant visa scam, which is just so funny that its having a far bigger impact than the government even expected. It shows what a scam it was. You say by the way, if youre doing a degree now, you cant just bnng a degree now, you cant just bring all your family over. Oh, cancel degree, they all just cancel degree, they all just cancel them. Why do you think its all a scam . Hes saying everybody who came and did it was a scam. Im saying that many of them were. Yeah, they just wanted to do mickey mouse degrees to bring people over on visas. Also people. But no, no. Well, im sure that there there are that is the case, but not all of them. And there are going to be people who wanted to come over study in this country who would then stay and benefit this country, who are now not going to be doing it. Thats also true. They wont be able to do it because theyre not allowed to bnng because theyre not allowed to bring their family. Yeah, they make the decision to go and study elsewhere. And so we could be losing some of the best and the brightest. Also people we need to pay the University Fees here. Im not saying that people didnt break the, you know, didnt did this. There wasnt very well documented, massively abused. But thats but you missed some good people. But how do you do how do you keep the good people and not the bad ones. Well, im just saying were throwing the baby out with the bathwater here. And i think in a few years time when i dont understand, why dont we just i mean, i know its more complex, but when i left home in saint albans to go to university in southampton, i didnt take my parents with me. And im not im not saying, you know, no, no, maybe not parents or whatever, but you know, but why bring anyone . People just went to university and if it comes, this is emmas own home again. But this is that people doing mas and phds, i dont care. You dont have to bring your family with you. Its your education. Well, no, but if they want to, then work for two years afterwards, in which case theyre going to benefit the phds. There is a there is an amendment. This is a ban on postgraduates other than those studying phds from being independent. So there is just its just for mazowe, isnt it . This this. We have to move on the mail again. Josh, something tells me youll have strong opinions about this one as well. Yeah. Gloating hamas hails important step as ireland, norway and spain become the latest nations to recognise a palestinian state, and israel says its a twisted move that rewards terrorism, which is totally correct. This is, insane. And moral decision because it actually causes harm to the entire world. Because first of all, it shows that its a rewarding terrorism if you rape and, kidnap and murder , and, kidnap and murder, civilians, then youre going to basically get a state because of it. But also its harmful to the palestinian cause because it, again, encourages that behaviour rather than what really needs to be encouraged for a palestinian state to happen, which is the desire from palestinians for peace and to live in peace to next a jewish state. Thats not what most palestinians want. Most gazans want now, and also in repeated polls, still support what happened on october 7th. And same with, with, palestinians who live on the west bank. And until theres actually a fundamental shift of, actually a fundamental shift of, a movement in their leadership and within the population for just kind of like, lets just, lets make the thats this is our land. We are going to build a prosperous state here rather than we need to kill all the jews and create another genocide from the river to the sea. Then then theres nothings going to happen. Its going to be the same old, same old. So the idea that, that these countries have made the decision, by the way, three countries who are all neutral during World War Two and didnt do anything, to help, is ridiculous. And i think disgusting. Yeah, interesting. Although i would say the world war ii thing probably a red herring insofar as that wasnt understood to be, you know. No. Youre right. Yeah. But i mean , im just saying that mean, im just saying that i think its interesting that, the im trying to find the numbers. I think it was about 140. Un states. Yeah, yeah, 140, 140 already recognised the state of palestine. These are three new palestine. These are three new ones. I dont know, nick. What do you think . I would say im do you think . I would say im not in favour of it, but i wouldnt say it was rewarding. The incursion of october the 7th. Its in response to israels continued. Yeah, bombardment. Its always potentially dodgy when you see centres like hamas welcome the decision. So that is concerning. But it seems what theyre trying to do. I know this is sort of joshs expert, so ill just give my 0. 02. But spain spain are trying to dissociate netanyahu from israel. Theyre saying its netanyahus campaign of pain and destruction. And similarly, norway is separating hamas and palestine. Theyre saying palestine. Theyre saying palestine shouldnt be punished. Palestine shouldnt be punished. They are not hamas. So if people can separate those, you can have perhaps a more, less emotive debate , because many people do debate, because many people do think netanyahu has messed this up and actually jeopardised israels standing internationally. Thats what a internationally. Thats what a lot of people think. Just. Well, i think people just want to blame netanyahu. The fact is, whatever whoever the leader was of israel would have to make exactly the same decisions. They have to get these hostages back. This is a day when the footage was released of young women, young jewish women being captured, and then and the Hamas Terrorists and like, oh, youre beautiful. And calling them basically saying that theyre, oh, young women to make babies with them. I mean, and theyre still in tunnels being raped. I mean, to thats the reality of what were deaung thats the reality of what were dealing with. And those are the people who are being rewarded by this decision. Its not going to create peace in terms of gaza and palestine and hamas. Its unlike any other situation in the world, as far as i can tell, where half the population is under 18 and have never had the opportunity to vote and support them. So to say that they are they do support or dont support hamas, theyve essentially been raised within a within a sealed like 80 of the population, still support hamas and still support their actions. So they havent had a vote. Why have they not had a vote . Because hamas hasnt allowed elections. Same on fatah on the other side. They havent had elections for 20 years or whatever. Okay, were at the half way point. Join us in part three for Michael Goves great awakening cruel test for immigrants. And what is Donald Trumps views on contraception . Well be back welcome back to headliners. So nick, we kick off with the mail again and strong. Why did you invite them then . Vibes here from michael gove. Well, youve nicked my one comment, but yeah, michael gove is deeply worried about impact of the middle east conflict on upcoming general election. As upcoming general election. As far right, hard left and Islamist Groups look to undermine democracy. So yeah, undermine democracy. So yeah, shouldnt have done all that immigration then bro. But, shouldnt have done all that immigration then bro. But, and hes i mean, its quite funny. They always have to do this. So hes talking about the allahuakbar cries after the green candidate won and so on and saying that was disturbing and saying that was disturbing and deeply provocative. He says, we have to be alive to the fact that there are islamist organisations, extreme left figures and far right figures who want to undermine our democracy and the far right not really related to this, but they always have to do that because they they cant say one without saying the other, not really relevant to to the the this particular threat, which is to do with hes talking about foreign conflicts erupting on our streets. Far right is nothing to do with that, really. Well, certainly foreign conflicts informing , creating conflicts informing, creating voting blocks and creating , voting blocks and creating, yeah, people voting in their ethnic interests and all kinds of things or religious interests. I have not seen any evidence of any far right activity organising people , activity organising people, bringing them together, funnelling them into a certain candidate. Have you seen anything of that kind . No, not in the democratic. I no, not in the democratic. I mean, they exist. Yeah, yeah, they marched against the right and never that organised. No. No. Thats right. I mean , just to thats right. I mean, just to go back to it, we have seen it on the continent. It certainly could happen. You know, there are now significant i think its fair to describe far right now doesnt mean the same thing as far the opposite of far left. It means specifically anti immigration , doesnt it . Anti immigration, doesnt it . Thats pretty much all the far right are interested when its used in, in this kind of context. Yeah. Discussion but im not talking about i think a lot of people are concerned more concerned about immigration and more willing to talk about the need certainly to confront illegal immigration. Yeah but i mean, ive known friends for a long time now who dont feel particularly concerned about immigration themselves, but have expressed concern that when immigration is high or unchecked, it provides oxygen for the far right. I think i think theres truth. I mean, i think theres truth to both of those, frankly, that we do need. It is something that we do need. It is something that we do need to, tackle, obviously. But of course. But if but if this dialogue is left alone, it will just be sucked in by the far right will be the fire that takes that. That view you express is virtually the Norm Macdonald joke. I mean, yeah, you know, my worry is that if imagine the islamophobia, the backlash. Yeah, i suppose the other thing gove might be hinting at is reform. I mean, is he vaguely saying that, you know, that reform, i dont think no, no, i think hes talking about a problem that he has to say far right to just balance balance, balance thing. And it is a and it is a problem though. But yes, it is great. But hes really because you know , things like the green you know, things like the green parties, the, moeen ali and whatever that alloy. Yeah. Yeah, stuff, news of immigrants. Now, stuff, news of immigrants. Now, josh being expected to pass engush josh being expected to pass english tests into remain in england. This is like he england. This is like he expected me to pay to park in my own country. Yeah. Disgraceful, own country. Yeah. Disgraceful, migrant graduates will face engush migrant graduates will face english tests , stay in uk under english tests, stay in uk under crackdown. So this is what we were talking about earlier. The graduate route in. Yeah. And there is a loophole there that is being exploited. And this the argument is that this is one of the things that will close that up is that, you know, some people are paying for degrees or, or paying to do supposed degrees, and, and, and then theyre kind of dropping out so theyre kind of dropping out so they dont , theyre not learn they dont, theyre not learn speaking english afterwards after theyve supposedly written after theyve supposedly written a dissertation or something. So thats one way of closing a loophole. The other one, theyre talking about is universities with high dropout rates. Those would be, have their licenses to recruit overseas. That sounds recruit overseas. That sounds like a very sensible thing. These are sensible decisions to close loopholes that have been exploited that that should have been done before. And are are welcome, but again, doesnt mean that that we should throw it all out is my point. Yeah, yeah. Now, do you think there is like some sense in which, loopholes get exploited more quickly than the government understand or recognise . And i wonder whether it is something to do with smartphones and the internet and so on. The speed at which the word gets around, you know, theres all the lovely old stories about, like chimps or dogs that one of them learns a trick and then suddenly they all know it. You know what i mean . Its like a kind of im not. Im not, like, reducing these people to the level of, subhuman animals. But im just saying theres a kind of get that in. Yeah, but theres a, theres a sort of speed at which the, the chinks in the armour get shared. Now that seems to be faster. Is that. Yeah, im sure there is. I mean, with the, with the internet and so on. On communication. Everything gets shared a lot faster, doesnt it . But why is cameron piping up watering down restrictions and proposals . Whats he mean . Proposals . Whats he mean . Cameron already offered to get or claimed he was going to get immigration down to the tens of thousands in 2010. Hes still mucking around trying to reduce whats whats he doing . Yeah, its a good question. Yeah, its a good question. Whats he doing period. Whats he doing period. Whats he doing period. Yeah, exactly. Well, i still quite like the idea of having a Prime Minister from the house of lords again, i must admit. But farage will do that. Yes, possibly. Or claire fox, donald trump. Nick flip flopping over the morning after pill, which is something no one wants to see. Yes, trump rejects claims he will ban the morning after pill, just hours after suggesting he would limit contraception. Another democrat lie total lie. So he says it was this classic trump kind of woolly chat because they were talking about restrictions on womens right to use contraception, he said. Were looking at that and im going to have a policy on that very shortly. And its very interesting, which is just classic trump. Nothing. Many people are talking about it. Its a tremendous policy telling me this doesnt exist. Yeah, im heanng me this doesnt exist. Yeah, im hearing this. That was his great moment. But, but then and then he put in block capitals on all truth social. I have never and will never advocate imposing restrictions on Birth Control or other contraceptives. But then other contraceptives. But then theres the issue of morning after pill, which seems to be a slightly separate one. And he said things really have to do a lot with the states. So on that one, he was more evasive and suggested it was the states which will decide themselves. Its a weak spot. Its considered a weak spot for the republicans, especially post the midterms when they seem to have lost ground by being too radical on the pro life issue. I dont think its radical to not want to abort babies, but thats me. But they were seen personally. I mean, the thing for me was, and i probably am in a minority here, but but just technically speaking , legally speaking, roe speaking, legally speaking, roe v wade was bad law. It was it was not a constitutional issue. And they they could have they could have passed an amendment. You know, there was 50 years of opportunity vie when they could probably have made it a federal law that guaranteed a womans right to an abortion. But because roe v wade was sitting there, it was not felt necessary to do so. But he hasnt stopped the states allowing it to happen. That, i mean, but i am being legalistic. Yeah, i realise its much more emotive than that. But just in the case of this, its like for him to then do his capital letters like, i never said that. Its like you did say it in a sort of, oh, were looking at it. Well then you they why do you think the morning after pill is more remote . Is that because thats like a lot of people as a tiny bit like an abortion . I guess thats what it is. I guess thats what it is. It isnt at all, is it . It does actually prevent the, thing getting embedded in the. Yes. Its like a pre. Yes. So its not its nothing like an abortion. But is it is it that they are at that moment where its very hard to get into their mind. Yeah, exactly. You know, because i still think of it, im just pragmatic right. Its like yeah theres a point at which i feel you shouldnt scrape a viable entity, you know. Yeah. The morning after pill, maybe is taking it to another level, but but even someone like Christopher Hitchens can conceded that, well, not conceded. He advocated that conception was the only reasonable time you could really cite philosophically, he said there was no any other time penod there was no any other time period was arbitrary. Well, and he was a lefty, if you can say that there are some conditions in which a baby can be aborted, when it could conceivably have been born. I mean, thats not a philosophical like. Philosophical like. Right . But anything in that earlier period between 1 and 2 and four, etc, that is the philosophical area where he says you end up stopping. Thats a big discussion for this, the scope of this show, over to the times now, josh , one of the most times now, josh, one of the most disappointingly under illustrated stories of the evening. Evening. Yeah. Great to scotland under pressure over funding for hardcore sex show, they were talking about performance for unsimulated sex. I have to say i didnt get the part, but yeah, they were this person , lenny they were this person, lenny ray. Jason. Their project called rain, they were given £23,000 in 2022 for research and development, and then they were given £84,000 in january this yeah given £84,000 in january this year. And when the Scottish National arts agency, when it was revealed what the show was really about and how there was this sex cave, daddys cave , and this sex cave, daddys cave, and there was rhythms of, i dont want to say people eating breakfast. Fifth fifth is involved nude doppelgangers and just a really quite, disturbing stuff. Yeah, and then, when there was sort of the hold up, they were like, oh, we didnt know anything about it. Creative scotland . No. What are you talking about then . It turns out now it was actually all written down ahead of plan, and they knew exactly what it was. So just to be clear, maybe i should know. Creative scotland is essentially a part of the government that distribute funds. Yeah. And essentially the english people are paying for it because scotland like everything. Yeah, well because the Scottish Government are running in deficit. And so thats 100 grand of they got 100 grand. We need to change headliners yeah. And cash in on this money. Josh, what are you prepared to do for this money i mean you know yeah its a no a huge amount of money by National Standards or government standards or government standards or government standards or whatever. But if you look at the Edinburgh Fringe and how much any kind of other show up there would kill for 100 grand or even ten grand, you know, most of them lose money. Dont they . That thats one money spent at the edinburgh festival. It does kind of. It does kind of skew the whole idea of what like Live Performance might be aboutin like Live Performance might be about in scotland. It does feel about in scotland. It does feel a little bit more. These are the things that generally make money on their own, arent they . Yeah you chuck it at them though. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Are pushing boundaries. These are the good things. But this just sounds like some crazy kink. Yeah. Its gross, shut it all down. Well, give it back to drag queen story hour, where we were all comfortable with that. Now, nick staying with the times and a sign of them indeed. Young recruits to the police, centring their well being over weekend service. Yes, gen z Police Recruits dont want to work weekends. Bosses told and theyre basically this guy is saying they have a different expectation for Work Life Balance aka theyre lazy and afraid. I mean, i know its a tough job, but he says, you know , theyre not like gen x, which that came before them. Im like, hello, millennials. I mean, hes missed out a whole i mean obviously joshs gen x, your greatest generation. But im sorry, i thought thatd be funny, i was a settler. Funny, i was a settler. Youre more your ex as well, arent your slash boom. Right on the cusp of boomer and x, although i dont think. I think boomer is an entirely american phenomenon. I think we boom. No english boomers. We didnt boom. I dont think we boom. No, we didnt boom. We didnt boom. No boom. We didnt boom. No boom. Still people werent. Yeah, but that was a millennial. But the whole point about baby boomers is that they they came of age at the end of rationing. And then they had they had the 60s. They had the teenagen they had the 60s. They had the teenager. Its like the theyre called the golden generation golden. Then they then anyway 80s. They made lots of money. I think were going to have to cut for the break. Weve meandered off before we could really get stuck in. Thats it for part three. Stay with us for the final section. We have the latest travesty of a royal portrait. Sick leave for the peppery portrait. Sick leave for the peppery and scooping and welcome back to headliners so, cracking on. We have the mirror. Josh, yet another bizarre and provocative royal portrait, no doubt from a well meaning but misguided monarchist. Monarchist. Yeah, Kate Middleton portrait in tatler sparks furious backlash after leaving fans horrified. And, there its horrified. And, there its spoken. Horrified. And, there its spoken. Its supposedly its to spoken. Its supposedly its to speak to her courage and dignity. We have to have a look at it, basically to see how rubbish it is. At it, basically to see how rubbish it is. It thats not it. Rubbish it is. It thats not it. Thats not it. Its definitely that would be really. Its bad, but it aint as bad as that. And. Yeah, what it is, it looks like its a photoshop thats kind of. We could quickly draw it and. Yeah let me just do it. Okay. It is very poor. Its kind of like the there it is. I looked at it and thought its the aldi version of kate. Do you know what i mean . It really doesnt look like its not got her beauty. Oh, there it is. Oh there you go. You have to really see the face to see how bad it is from this distance, it more looks more like decor, doesnt it . The tatler, the face is where it all goes wrong. And look, i hope shes okay. Top. Whats that called . Teal isnt it . Thats teal. It looks like a photo. Thats the background photo thats been photoshopped. Ironically. Its really. You look at the face. Look. Anything like that other one . Look naive. Not prince charles, but the wealthiest, the billion, the australian billionaire mining billionaire. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That one. Yeah. Theyre just being done a bit like wasnt vedran wasnt there. Not good. Like done. Yeah. Like done. Yeah. Yeah. Like like some illustration childrens book. Oh dean everyone. No. No one left behind, helpful advice from the mirror, nick, on how to survive the coming nuclear strike. Once david lammy has been foreign secretary for a couple of weeks. Nice. Yeah, its given. Chilling government warning on exact items they need at home to survive nuclear strike. But its not just nuclear. They also say this is preparing for emergencies like another pandemic. Maybe bill gates has pandemic. Maybe bill gates has got his 2. 0 planned, a mass cyber attack or nuclear war cyber attack or nuclear war cyber attack, wi fi down. Thats what everyone really fears, right . Or maybe theyre planning war with russia. I dont know what theyre planning next. Guys want to throw that in just because were talking about tinned food here. So i thought id go full conspiracy. Yeah. So theyre saying you need tinned food, bottled water, all the usual things, all the things ive got basically. Apparently people, 40 of people dont have more than three days supplies. I do, ive got the water, ive got Scott Capurro is having a go at me for eating canned tuna. They say he canned tuna. Whats wrong with you . Like, im sort of terrible. Whos going to survive longer . Scott in the apocalypse, youre like a cockroach. Ive got loads. How dare you . I like, i like canned mackerel as well. Im very fond of it. In fact, i used to have several cans of, butter beans and chickpeas as well that had made several house moves early to have gone early during covid. I went full prepper. I didnt know which way i was going to go. Ive got torches banging about. Ive got totally legal weapon things that can be used as weapons but totally legal. They dont mention a gun here, no any kind of weapons because really, if you run out, you just go and kill your neighbours. Ive got an air rifle, which i think i could plausibly defend the front door with. I mean, people might just like, back off, you know, and think theres got to be something easier. Josh isnt worried about the elements, but hes worried about ive just got to be the strongest human. Ive just got to be the cleverest, wiliest or strongest. But. But also, they havent mentioned toilet paper as we know from an actual, crisis that thatis know from an actual, crisis that that is the thing that ran out. It does say that. Remember, food for pets. And i was food for pets. And i was thinking, or vice versa. Oh the pets. Yeah. I made them nice and fat. Why didnt i read that one . That was my only good joke. Telegraph. Josh, my old hometown here, back on the map for the First Time Since i left saint albans. Yes, set to be the first smart free uk for city under 14. But thats a slight phone free smart phone free . Yeah, its not really aslef, but its 158. This isnt like an official Council Decision here. This is 20 of the 24 primary schools kind of saying, hey everybody, lets not give phones to kids before theyre 14. Consortium. Consortium. Yeah, its a consortium. That doesnt mean its going to actually go through. No, the problem is that when kids go off to secondary school, that seems to secondary school, that seems to be the age when they get the phone. That was the thing is, like, primary schools have come out against smartphones , but they against smartphones, but they take kids up to 11 and theyre talking about this being up. Its going to be 14. It gets a lot harder after 11. And the other thing is my kids do all their homework on there. All the stuff now is all app there. All the stuff now is all app based. They order all their essays from romania on their site, but they really do all their homework on their phones now. Now youre getting it because this is going to be its like an upper middle class thing, right . Yeah. Its going to backfire because the working class kids will be able to use all the phones. Theyll be like, oh, theyve got a short attention span. Theyll be, theyll be, theyll be youtubers and these middle class parents to be working for them because they havent developed any of the skills. That has been proven, though, that not having a smartphone while youre at school is worth a point on a grade on every subject, which is really substantial. I mean, thats more than private school. My kids just got a pouch now at school where exactly that they get. It gets locked for in when they when they arrive at school. Good stuff. I wish they did that at concerts as well. The mail is shocked by indications of a wealthy elite emerging in the previously egalitarian saudi caphal the previously egalitarian saudi capital, riyadh. Yeah, well, its not just about the wealth, its about the culture. Its introducing saudi arabias first nightclub, where booze is banned and it costs £9,600 to get in. So this is well to be a member for a year. Well, im just reading the headline. Im so sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. This is how we do the show. Its beast house, but its not that beastly because really, drink is banned. Its kind of like an underage disco. Its basically expensive sober dancing is what its all about. Dancing, splashing them as whatnot. Maserati, whatever. Whatnot. Maserati, whatever. What is the bugatti keys , i what is the bugatti keys, i suppose. Yeah, its stone, isnt it . But yeah, i men and women are going to be in different sections. It didnt say, but thats a good idea. Thats the key. Yeah, that would be this is nightclub washing now there. Yeah. Yeah. The sports wash. You know its nightclub washing. Male again. Josh, probably our last story for the night. A certain amount of sympathy towards animal lovers doesnt sound very french. Sound very french. Yeah, a day off. Not for horses, but a day off if your pet dies. Campaigners in france call for animal lovers to be given time to grieve. If fido or mister nibbles pass away, i dont have any animals. Ive got too many kids for that. But i do think this is quite a good idea because i do know the people who do have pets. They really are see them as part of their family. They you lose a dog. What a scam though if youve got a fish or a stick insect. Well, this is what i was gonna say was a goldfish. No. Dogs and cats. Dogs and cats. Dogs. But maybe a gerbil half a day and the show is nearly over. Oven lets take another quick look at thursdays front pages. We have the daily mail. Now is the moment for britain to choose its future. Do they want a soaking wet sunak guardian . Sunaks big gamble the Financial Times sunak bets on july 4th election. The mirror drown and out the telegraph. Sunak gambles on snap poll and the metro sunak bets the house. Those were your front pages. Thats all we have time for on this historic day. Thank you to my guest, for on this historic day. Thank you to my guest , josh howie and you to my guest, josh howie and nick dixon. Stephen allen will be here tomorrow at 11 pm. With Lewis Schaffer and scott cooper. Lewis schaffer and scott cooper. I beg your pardon . If youre watching at 5 am, stay tuned for breakfast. Otherwise, thank you very much for your company. Sleep well. Good night. A brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on. Solar, sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. Good evening. Heres your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. Its been a very wet day for many of us today, and the rain is going to continue for many parts as we go overnight. All this unsettled weather is in association with an area of low pressure that is gradually making its way northwestwards, but its progressing pretty slowly and the rain as a result is going to linger across many northern parts of the uk as we go through this evening and overnight, its going to be heavy and persistent for many parts, which is why were going to continue to see rainfall totals building up, leading to some issues. Temperatures arent going to drop a huge amount because of the unsettled weather. Even in the south, where its going to be largely dry, likely to stay in double digits as we go through tomorrow. Then a bit of a north south split across northern parts. It is going to be wet and well see rain through the morning too. The rain doesnt look like it will be as heavy as through today, but because of the high rainfall totals weve seen recently, there could be some further issues making flooding a little bit worse in some places. Also, heavy rain across parts of eastern northern ireland, Northern England and nonh ireland, Northern England and north wales in particular. Like i said, some further ongoing issues, some more disruption to travel possible, a drier story further south. Quite cloudy through the morning though i am expecting some bright or sunny spells to develop as we head into the afternoon, particularly across parts of east anglia and southeast england. Here theres a good chance of seeing some sunshine and in the sunshine here it should feel pleasantly warm. Temperatures likely to peak just about in the low 20s towards the southeast. Further north and west, where you have the rain, temperatures will be suppressed. Some places staying in single digits. And watch out for some blustery winds towards the northwest as we look towards friday, and there will still be some further outbreaks of rain, especially across northern parts, though these look fairly light and there will be some dry spells in between further south, likely to stay mostly dry, and there may even be some bright or sunny spells developing. Saturday looks set to be the driest and sunniest day of the weekend, before a bit more rain on sunday for many. See you later later looks like things are heating up boxt boilers. Sponsors of weather on gb news is weather on. Gb news. Good evening. Im sophia wenzler in the gb news room. And as youve been hearing, the Prime Minister has addressed the first Tory Campaign rally after confirming a 4th of july general election in a statement outside downing street today, rishi sunak made the surprise announcement and urged the nafion announcement and urged the nation to stick with him over sir keir starmer. Addressing tory Party Supporters and his cabinet at Londons Excel Centre a short while ago , he took aim a short while ago, he took aim at the labour leader on the 5th of july. Either keir starmer or i will be Prime Minister and he has shown time and time again that he will take the easy way out and do anything to get power. If he was happy to abandon all the promises that he made to become labour leader once he got the job, how can you know that he wouldnt do exactly the same thing if he were to become Prime Minister . We conservative have got a clear plan with bold action to secure our future board. So lets take that message and that vision of a secure future to every corner of our united kingdom. And lets show labour that the british people will never be taken for granted. Granted. Meanwhile, the labour leader, keir starmer, responded to the announcement, saying the election is the moment the country has been waiting for night. The Prime Minister has finally announced the next general election , a moment the general election, a moment the country needs and has been waiting