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Question for you. Do you think were seeing the death of the Great British sitcom . And if so, tell me, why. Well, lots of com tell me, why. Well, lots of com and more. But first, lets cross the line for tonights latest news headlines. News headlines. Thanks, michelle. Im ray addison in the gb newsroom. Rishi sunak has been greeted by a group of pro Palestine Protesters as he visited a college in the West Midlands this afternoon. The situation this afternoon. The situation was described as tense as the Prime Minister arrived at south Staffordshire College in cannock , the last stop on his uk tour. Police officers formed a guard for mr sunak as his entry to the college was delayed and he was quickly ushered into the building as the crowd surged around him. Whilst inside, activists and with banners and flags chanted free, free palestine. When theresa may has palestine. When theresa may has urged tory mps to fight to re elect a conservative government. In her Farewell Speech in parliament, the mp for maidenhead, who served as Prime Minister between 2016 and 2019, said it would be a great wrench to leave the commons after 27 years. The departure comes as 76 tory mps step down, which is more than the number of those who left when labour swept to power back in 1997. Labour has ruled out any deals with the snp after the election, even in the event of a Hung Parliament. Sir keir starmer has been campaigning in the east of glasgow today, which is one of the seats hes hoping to take from John Swinneys party in julys election. Sir keir said the snps only ambition is to break up the uk and there would be absolutely no deal with the scottish nationalists. Jeremy scottish nationalists. Jeremy corbyn has confirmed that he will stand as an independent candidate in the next general election against the party that he once led, as a result, hes automatically been expelled as a member of labour, which suspended him in 2020 over his claims that complaints of anti semitism had been dramatically overstated in the party. The former labour leader says hell run as a voice for equality. Meanwhile, the current labour leader, sir keir starmer, said hes not worried about corbyns popularity in islington north, which hes represented since 1983. Jeremy corbyn will make his own decisions. I think hes standing as an independent. Thats his choice. We will have an excellent labour candidate in islington north as weve got excellent labour candidates across the country , and the across the country, and the choice at this election is absolutely clear. Weve had 14 years of chaos and decline under this tory government. We cannot have more of that. Have more of that. Gb news can reveal that more than 10,000 channel migrants have crossed illegally to the United Kingdom so far this year. The milestone figure was reached today after another 154 arrived in dover, having crossed in three small boats this morning. Its a blow to rishi sunak on his second full day of election campaigning, after he had promised that his government would stop the boats. The former would stop the boats. The former boss of the post office has been accused of living in la la land over her role in the horizon scandal. Paula vennells again becoming emotional on her third day of giving evidence. She admitted making mistakes and accepted that there was no one else to blame. But she claimed that she didnt know why Important Information hadnt reached her. Sam stein kc described that as, quote, absolute rubbish and suggested that miss vennells had failed to ask the right questions because the risk was too great. I worked as hard as i possibly could to deliver. The possibly could to deliver. The best post office for the uk. It would have been wonderful to have 30,000 post office branches. That would have been the best outcome ever to have had more post offices in more communities. What i failed to do, and i have made this clear previously , is i did not previously, is i did not recognise the and its been discussed within across the inquiry , the imbalance of power inquiry, the imbalance of power between the institution and the individual and i let these people down. And finally, the documentary filmmaker Morgan Spurlock has died at the age of 53. He came to prominence with his oscar nominated film supersize me back in 2004, which tracked his health while he ate nothing but mcdonalds for a month. The film was credited with prompting a broad conversation about how fast food and rising obesity was impacting society. Mr spurlock passed away in new york due to complications from cancer. Passed away in new york due to complications from cancer. Okay, complications from cancer. Okay, for the latest headlines, you can sign up for gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now, or go to gb news. Com slash shirts. Now back to. Michelle. To. Michelle. Thank you very much for that, ray and Michelle Dewberry. And im keeping you company until 7 00 tonight alongside me, my panel 7 00 tonight alongside me, my panel, a professor of politics at the university of kent, matt goodwin, and the journalist and broadcaster. A new face to this program, nina michkov. Good evening. Hello, michelle. And also welcome back to you. And also welcome back to you. And also, you guys know you are very important to me at home as well. Thank you for choosing to spend your early friday evening with me. Its very much appreciated and i would like your thoughts on all the topics tonight youve just been seeing there. Paula vennells in the bulletin crying her eyes out. So i wonder whether or not you have any sympathy for her. Shes been crying a lot this week, hasnt she . At that inquiry, does it wash with you or not . Also, i want to talk to you about that cinema. Youve just been looking again at some pro palestine protests at this time aimed at rishi sunak in that bulletin. But i want to ask, as well as cinema in london thats been daubed with graffiti for having the audacity to show a film about october the 7th. What do you think to all this . Is there going to be a resolution to this on the streets of britain, and how much do you think it will impact the goings on on july the 4th . Get in touch with me all the usual ways you can email gb views gbnews. Com you can go to twitter or x and get in touch there. Or of course you can go on the website as many of you have gbnews. Com slash your, say one of my viewers quick you straight out the blocks. Martin nigel sorry not martin. Youve just issued to me your election manifesto. I think you could be in with a chance. He says he would do the following. Bring back national service, bring back national service, bring back capital punishment, build more prisons, harsher prison sentences. Turn the boats back. Open up the coal mines. No more wind farms, he says. Hes only just started. And ive only just read out some of them. Hes not messing around. Hes put some thought into it anyway. Look, it is day three of the election campaigning so far. Is day three of the election campaigning so far. We can cross campaigning so far. We can cross live now to our political edhon live now to our political editor, Christopher Hope. Hes editor, Christopher Hope. Hes not just anywhere. Ladies and gents, he is live on the battle boss of rishi sunak. Look at that. Hes moving. Boss of rishi sunak. Look at that. Hes moving. Were going that. Hes moving. Were going to be able to test in real time the Broadband Connectivity up and down the country whilst were doing this, because if we lose you, well know that its not up to much in your neck of the woods. Tell us where you are and bring everyone up to speed of the goings on of the day. Of the goings on of the day. Michelle. Good evening. Great to on your show. Im on the m40 heading back to london after an extraordinary 36 hours with the Prime Minister. We started set off yesterday, going to derbyshire , to erewash, and then derbyshire, to erewash, and then we flew to cardiff in wales, to a brewery, then flew to the highlands overnight, where we went to the port of nigg, where they build these wind farms, then flew today to belfast and then flew today to belfast and then where we where we went to the, the titanic quarter, where the, the titanic quarter, where the pm is being ribbed for going there when he was looking at a rather swish manufacturer of fast motor boats. Then we flew to birmingham, to cannock , where to birmingham, to cannock, where ive just been, where the pms been at the cannock sixth form quality college. The point of thatis quality college. The point of that is the pm showing he can be in all all four nations of the uk. He wants to be Prime Minister for all of the uk and thats often these leaders. They visit these the nations very very quickly in short order at the beginning of a campaign. And of course, the pm knew he was calling it. So we had all the plans in place. Now just now in cannock, theres been some protests and pro Palestinian Protesters have have been outside the Catholic College chanting about, about palestine and blood on the hands of the pm rishi sunak for the uk support of israel and the like. I think that if youre looking at the images now, theres a foretaste there of what well be seeing. I think increasingly through the campaign, as the issue of gaza becomes an issue for all of the all the main Party Leaders today , though, theres been some unwelcome news for the pm, 76 tory mps are now standing down at this election, up from 75 in 1997. The 76th was sir david evennett. Hes the mp 1997. The 76th was sir david evennett. Hes the mp for bexleyheath and crayford. The 75th was craig mckinley. Hes the tory mp who he featured on tuesday night on gb news with a documentary about him as the bionic mp. He, of course, has lost his arms and legs to sepsis. He issued a very emotional statement today, making clear that he wanted he wanted to stand in a november election. But july is too soon. He needs to get better and look after himself. Hell now be a campaigner on those issues of sepsis. Sir keir starmer hes beenin sepsis. Sir keir starmer hes been in scotland, trying to take votes off the snp and saying that he wants to be with the party of scotland and most recently hes been in lancashire. Well, hell hear more from him next week as the Labour Campaign gets up. Oh, we kept it going right until the very last second there with your signal. Im worried that were just about to hit a bubble of tricky signal. And im also getting a bit carsick, so we shall leave that there. Thank you very much for that update. We should have a little tracker on the screen where we can plot. Where is Christopher Hope going next . Fascinating update there. Youve done some recent polling as well , havent you, mark . As well, havent you, mark . Woodwind, tell me your thoughts on the current goings on. Yeah, we actually did some polling with gb news this week on the, the state of the race. And the first thing to say is, you know, labours got this commanding 27 point lead, which is basically twice what labour needs for a for a majority on july the 4th. Who would make the best Prime Minister. Well keir starmer ahead of rishi sunak. But the real story here is actually a larger number of voters. Almost half the country is basically saying none of them, neither of the leaders of them, neither of the leaders of the two big parties are really capturing my imagination on and also on issues, the three issues that will decide this election on the economy, cost of living, the nhs and immigration, and on all three of those voters tend to back labour over the conservatives. But again, a larger number of voters are saying i dont really know who to back. Im not convinced anybody got the answers to britains problems. So im thinking this election , thinking this election, michelle, may come to be remembered as the none of the above election. See, i think im in that category as well. I ive spoken about this often. Im not a regular voter. Ive not. I must confess, viewers of my programme know this already. Nina, ive never really voted as an adult in general elections apart from, yeah, intake of breath. I have ran in two of them. Though to be fair to me. So im voting for myself. Ill give you that. But this time ive made a commitment to myself. I am going to engage. I am going to vote, but i dont actually know who to vote for. Well, the thing is, you have to weigh up the odds and see whos going to make the best fist of it, because the country is in a complete shambles. Its been destroyed as far as im concerned. The tories have raped this country over the last 14 years. Nothing works. Our rivers are polluted, the nhs is crumbling, our courts are clogged , our prisons are full. Clogged, our prisons are full. The you know, nobody feels better off the tories. For all of that. For all of that. I absolutely do because they have been in charge. They are the ones who have run the country. And this is where capitalism in red, in tooth and claw has, has gone wrong. It really has because theyve put profits before people is, is really whats happened. But the thing is, ive always voted. Ive always thought its the most important thing you can do in life because its no point whingeing about the government or this, i dont like this take, i dont like that. And this is awful. Unless youve had your say, youve got people have got to make their voices heard and you think, well, whats the point . One one voice. But if everybody thought like that, there would be no, there would be nothing. So we need to i mean, i think that it should be compulsory. Well, i would just come just briefly if i can come back on that one point. Yes. The conservatives have got a lot of things wrong. Agree with you. But what makes me concerned about this election . We still do not know an enormous amount about where labour stand on tax spending , growth strategy, spending, growth strategy, immigration, legal migration, not just the small boats and well, no, soon though, theyre going to deliver their manifesto soon. Yeah. Im thinking that keir starmer remember a lot of voters dont know who keir starmer is. Absolutely. A focus group in stoke on trent. About two months ago, 12 people around the table , three of them didnt the table, three of them didnt know who keir starmer was. So we exaggerate how much people tune into politics, but hes going to have to define who he is and what he believes over the next six weeks. He could have a good campaign, he could have a terrible campaign. So i think theres going to be a lot actually hinging on what happens on the labour side here, too. So i was going to say, i think this is the time now when the labour policies and the manifesto will come out. Yeah, but the trouble is we all know is that keir starmer has absolutely zero charisma. And thatis absolutely zero charisma. And that is the problem. He is you know, he is dull. He was, you know, he is dull. He was, you know, likened when he was younger to mr darcy. You know. And its hard to see that you know these days. But the thing is he is a decent man. He is a good man. Hes an intelligent man and he but the thing is, hes also a very wily politician, which people dont give him credit for, because in the in the years since hes been voted in, as it was not many years, he has seen off the left of the party. Hes there quite minute. He told us to put Jeremy Corbyn into number 10, and he told us to have a second referendum on brexit, so im not sure. I marched, i marched for all four marches to have a second referendum on brexit. So im not im not. We can disagree on that one. But the point being, if you were somebody who wanted to the labour party to succeed and realise that only elections are only won from the centre ground, theyre not won from the extremities , that the only way extremities, that the only way you can do it is from the inside of the tent, not from the outside of the tent. So he had to get in there and, and, and, and go along with whatever it was. And then , then stick the was. And then, then stick the knife in, get rid of corbyn, get rid of the anti semitic mob. And now hes got an electable labour party, and hes done that in a very short space of time. Well, let me just get it right. What youve just said. So you just said that you are in favour of compulsory voting, so you make people, so i am going to vote in this next election or not everyone. But previously i absolutely didnt because i just wasnt engaged, i wasnt connected, i wasnt wandering around complaining about politics. No, no. When you say, oh, you cant moan if you dont vote. A lot of people that dont vote, theyre not wandering around moaning about politics. Theyre just cracking on with their life and then moaning about aspects of their life. Not not about politics, saying, i dont, i cant afford this or whatever that thats thats politics without actually labelling politics. But my point is, so on the one hand you would say , right, one hand you would say, right, im going to make it compulsory. So im going to force all of those people to vote. And then on the other hand, you just turned around and said when we did get a huge democratic mandate, one of the biggest turnouts of its time, and people did engage democratically with the brexit referendum, youve just said then you went on four separate marches to try and overturn the result. Yes but the thing is, though, you if you poll those people now who voted for brexit, a huge percentage of them made the wrong decision. And they will tell you that i know. But who . But who . If you are so passionate about people engaging democratically , yes. Then how do democratically, yes. Then how do you have the audacity to then take to the streets to try and undermine the democratic vote . I wasnt undermining it. Im saying think again. Give us another vote. I wasnt saying throw it out. Im saying give people another chance to vote. Thatis people another chance to vote. That is democratic. And by the way, its not by the way, by the way, its not by the way, by the way, scotland, scotland voted not to. Scotland voted a completely against brexit. And yet scotland has been dragged out to remain. Would you have taken to the streets four times to try and have a second vote . No, because i believed in remain exactly so. Because you didnt like the outcome of the referendum, you went on multiple marches to try and change it. No, because i knew because im, you know, people, brexit has been a disaster in your mind. I think in most peoples minds, michel, most intelligent. I dont think brexit has been a disaster. It has been a complete disaster to become a self governing, independent nafion self governing, independent nation with control, to do what laws . Now our elites have . Now our elites have . Where are where are our where are our our trade deals with india . Wheres our trade deal with america . Forthcoming. Forthcoming. Forthcoming. We weve but in the meantime. But in the meantime this country is going down the pan weve signed. Theres no respect for this country anymore. Sorry. Can i just respond on first of all, the benchmark is a European Union. The European Union is doing so wonderful right. Its got the same growth rate, same economic problems. Divisions between north and south, divisions between east and west, populist going crazy. The biggest Corruption Scandal in the history of the European Union. We are doing on balance, compared to our eu neighbours, were doing just fine. What you meant to say was that the people who voted for brexit didnt really understand what they were voting. I didnt say, i did not say that. I did not say that. I did not say that they voted with their hearts and their minds and their hearts and their minds and their lives perfectly valid. They wanted to make to be able to affect the laws that affect their lives. They wanted those laws to be taken in their own country, not brussels. And they wanted control over immigration. Now, its not their fault that the conservatives completely misinterpreted that. To give us record mass immigration. Thats on the conservatives. The brexit voters knew what they were voting for. They had a very they wanted our border. They wanted control of the borders. They wanted lower immigration, lower immigration, if you like that. But thats not the only aspect of life in this country. They wanted sovereignty. They wanted sovereignty. Well, they want and what and what good is sovereignty given us . What whats it done so we can control our own destiny . Is it just its, you say, control our own destiny, but we can be a self governing. Were a self governing nation, but we need to have a proper government. The thing is, is it just because we wanted a blue passport to say english, blah blah blah . No. The scots voted against because we want it to be against because we want it to be a free. Scots voted against it. The Northern Ireland in the uk against it, and wales would not would have voted against it were it not for all the all the immigrant english who were there. I am not english. I am not english. I guess that so. But i am british and im im certainly allowed to have my opinion. Sure , but but what im sure, but but what im saying, well, its the english people to vote again and again and again until they make the right decision. Its not democratic to give them time to think again because theyre too stupid. The first round. No, youre putting words in my mouth. And i did not say that. How much time do you need to make a decision on your 1st march . When did you first start calling for a second referendum . Whenever the whenever the 1st march happened. I went on it. But how soon after . So it was like we had the process, the brexit process. People go out, i cant remember, but was it did you sit there and wake up one day and say, right, weve had x amount of years. I didnt organise the march. I didnt organise the march. Youre an attendee and you believe that that was the right decision . Yes and you went on to allow people to think again. But i just i know, but you think again until theyve come up with a decision that you agree with. No, no, no, absolutely not. I have accepted obviously the vote because thats what happened. So where do you draw the line then say we have this general election. Lets just say the tories get in. Youve just said and i quote, youve just said that theyve ripped this country. So if the tories get elected again, you work like the outcome. Will you then go on a march and ask for a second general election . No, of course not. Because you accept the result, the democratic result. Accept the brexit. Accept the brexit. No, because this was it was something that most people could see would would have a negative effect on this country, which it has done. People voted for it. People voted for it. So most people had a negative effect and had a negative effect on this country. And why are we forecast to have one of the Fastest Growing economies of advanced nations, and how is the poundin advanced nations, and how is the pound in your pocket doing . And how how happy are you to try and get a doctors appointment . And how happy are you because of that hour train that hour trains are so expensive. Are 50 expensive. Are so expensive. Is that all because of brexit . No well, a lot of it is brexit. A lot of a lot of it is a lot of what is happening to this country is because we dont have of the a, a government that knows how to govern. Were run by a bunch of venal idiots. Thats nothing really to do with brexit. Thats it is it is to do with brexit. Everything comes back to brexit. But a certain strand of british politics. Well not everything. Well not everything. Well, the strand that were going on next is the break. Were going to return to this conversation. I also want to ask you, do you think 16 year olds should be allowed to vote . I can tell you theres disagreement on this panel about the answer to that. Whats yours . See you in hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry, and im keeping you company until 7 00 tonight. On this friday evening. Youre very welcome. Nina myskow and matt welcome. Nina myskow and matt goodwin remain alongside me. You guys are getting in touch, lots of you are kind of in that camp about whether or not youre going to turn out and vote and who youre actually going to be voting for, you should vote, though, says tim. My mother is 103 and says she will always vote because women died. To get that vote, it is a duty 103. Your mum is having a great innings. Wish her the best from me, lee says michelle, i voted once and im 54 years of age. That was for boris this year. I will definitely vote, but it will definitely vote, but it will definitely vote, but it will definitely not be for laboun will definitely not be for labour. Well who would it be, what matters to me most is that labour dont get in, says one of my other viewers. He says he feels that they will destroy what is left of this country. Your thoughts . Do you actually know who youre going to vote for at this stage . Is there anything that could change your mind in the coming 40 odd days or not . Are you dead set . No matter what happens . Or are you a bit more fluid and flexible, do you think 16 year olds should have the vote . Matt goodwin no, i dont no, i think, lots of reasons, but i dont think there developed enough intellectually, emotionally. I dont think they are paying tax. I dont think theyre in the, conversation as much as others. I dont think they have enough responsibility to be making some of those decisions. I also think this is pretty clearly a naked power grab on the part of labour to basically rewire the constitutional arrangements in this country, to give votes to 16 year olds, to give votes to potentially eu nationals, to rewire the system in a way that makes it much more pro labor. So i dont support votes for 16. Do you support that . Do you support that . I do, i thought about it carefully. In scotland, 16 year olds can vote, and i thought, well, what else can you do when youre 16 . Well, what else can you do when youre16 . You well, what else can you do when youre 16 . You can, well, what else can you do when youre16 . You can, you well, what else can you do when youre 16 . You can, you see, you talk about paying taxes. You can at 16 get a job and therefore when you earn money, you pay taxes. And i think if you pay taxes, you have an absolute right to know where your money in taxes is going to go and how its going to be spent, and how your world and the world that your world and the world that your country that you live in is run. I think its valid if you can get married. If you can, if youre if youre emotionally, i understand a young person doesnt have experience. You can be reckless. You can be, all sorts of things when youre a teenagen sorts of things when youre a teenager. But at the same time, as i said earlier, if compulsory voting was part of the system as it is in australia, it means that you engage from an early age with politics and you understand how how the how things work. And it does make things work. And it does make you think. And if you dont want to , to vote and you have to go to, to vote and you have to go along because otherwise youll be fined, you can spoil your vote and not vote. Thats absolutely up to you. But it means that you have to think about the system. So. So i think compulsory voting is slightly different from votes for 16. Yes, i understand, im sorry i brought that, i think also when you look at 18 to 24 year olds in this country, their turnout rates are actually very low. Theyre about 30 points less likely than baby boomers to vote. So i dont see this mass sort of swell of enthusiasm among Younger Voters to participate in the system. I also dont see much polling evidence that most brits want 16 year olds to have the vote. I also think about myself at 16. I mean, did i really know enough about the world and have enough experience to actually really cast a vote in a general election . No, i didnt really. Not at all. But but youre old enough to have a child, which is the most, i hope. Well, you know, if youre 16, you are old, legally old enough to have a child. And thats the biggest responsibility you can have to bnng responsibility you can have to bring another life into this world and to and to be a parent. And but were talking about extremely low numbers of people. I know low numbers, but but if legally youre allowed to do that, then how can you legally you are not allowed to sort of. And i also its not surprise that many people on the left do want to put this in, because the vast majority of young people, teenagers and so on, as we know, the age divide is the biggest divide of all in british politics at the moment, that the young are much more likely to vote labour than conservative. Only 8 of zoomers from gen z are planning to vote conservative at this election, so its no surprise that people on the left want votes for 16 year olds. But as i say, i dont think its the way forward. Well, a couple of my viewers have got in touch with the same suggestion. Youre saying it should actually be raised to 21. What do you think to that, i mean, i can understand the reasoning behind it. I think 18 for me is a is a good enough reason. I mean, its a good enough age. Sorry. Im not entirely convinced by the need to raise it. I do. I am more won over by the case for compulsory voting, so long as it includes the option of none of the above. Because i think if this election on july the 4th had that option on july the 4th had that option on the ballot and people were able to go into the polling station and say, i dont like sunak and i dont like starmer and i dont like anybody on offer, i reckon that none of the above, you know, a party would probably end up doing rather well. And im so im so opposed to this. Im in complete disagreement with both of you. I think the job of a politician is to engage people. The job of politics is to be inspiring, engaging, accessible , but also engaging, accessible, but also for people to follow through on what they actually promise that they are going to deliver. Thats how you engage and inspire people. What you dont inspire people. What you dont do is if the only way you can get a turnout or a decent sized turnout is to force people either by, i dont know, sanctions or taking money out of your pocket or whatever. You dont have engagement if you force me to vote, im not engaged with you. If anything, im more disconnected and resentful of you. I know how to resentful of you. I know how to put across in a box. I dont need to be educated , dated, and need to be educated, dated, and taught, but its not. I think its so kind of counter intuitive to me. You know . Will increase engagement by forcing people. You increase engagement by having decent politicians. Absolutely. I agree with you, but i agree. I agree , but the thing agree. I agree, but the thing is, if you know, youve got to vote and this is this experience from australia and you know, even its two blokes down the pub saying, ive got a vote tomorrow, you might have a conversation about who to vote for, where you might not have had that before. And its i think more people should know more knowledge is power. But youre assuming that people dont vote because theyre a bit thick in the dirt. No, not thick. Theyre just not engaged. They dont understand that their voice matters, that that that without that, they they dont have to take a responsibility to say, well, this is what i think. Say, well, this is what i think. This is what id like. Doesnt matter. I mean, i can think of areas where you could literally put a tin of baked beans up for election with a label lanyard on, and its going to win. Well, but thats thats irrelevant, the fact of the matter. But its taking but its taking part in life. Its part of life. Its engaging in life. I mean, so to go back to the case of the tin of baked beans, which, you know, i would consider voting for given the current Political Class, larry the cat, larry, thats also about Electoral Reform, isnt it . I mean, do we move away from first past the post to proportional representation because weve now got, i think, the Electoral Reform society say weve got more , sort of safe weve got more, sort of safe seats, you know, wasted areas essentially where peoples votes arent making any difference at all than weve had in a very, very long time. So is it now the case . I mean, if we end up with a Hung Parliament, this is where it gets interesting. Lets say labour falls short of a majority. Lets say the polls are wrong. Lets say the local elections were right. Lets say labours only 8 or 9 points ahead and suddenly they havent got a majority. And were in a Hung Parliament territory. Is that when the lib dems, the snp and the greens and reform all say, right, we want pr, we want a change to the election system in this country, and will labour get knocked into doing something around that . Thats where this could get quite interesting. So you would you would get one of those to push for at least a referendum on pr as part of their kind of deal of doing a coalition or something with them, some kind of constitutional shake up. Weve got house of lords reform on the agenda. Weve got more devolution on the agenda with a labour government. Weve got the gordon brown proposals, weve got potentially votes for 16. As i say. I dont agree with that. If we get a very tight race and suddenly a sort of awkward coalition of few parties, a labour led government, does labour led government, does labour get pushed into actually, you know, giving reform for the i would like to see proportional representation because its a its a fairer system. Its not as it is not as cut and dried. And then you run the risk of, you know, things splintering. But but it is much fairer. It seems so completely unfair. I mean, the vote for the liberal democrats last time was, was was far greater than than the actual number of mps that the actual number of mps that the vote produced. Its a tricky one, isnt it . Because on the one hand, if you look at the studies of pr, they show that it produces more left wing governments over the longer term than right wing governments. But also, if we have pr , you know, reform would have pr, you know, reform would probably have 20 or 40 seats in the house of commons. Labour would probably split into two parties. Wed certainly get more of a representative politics in a minute. After the break, i want to pick up on this, like the israel gaza conflict on the streets of britain, theres a cinema in london and i want to talk about that. So ill come to that in a minute. But George Galloways party, theyve not really had much of a mention. The Workers Party of great britain, i mean, they are saying that theyre expecting 150,000 votes minimum. I think it is. Theyre contesting a huge number of seats and they would say that theyre very much feel that theyre very much feel that theyre going to make a massive indent into the labour vote as well. Do you share that optimism or not . I think they will attract a significant number of votes, actually, in mainly muslim seats. I dont think theyre going to win many, if any seats beyond what theyve got because they havent got labour. Then ten, 20 George Galloways theyre a threat in the sense of, of there are sort of a canary in the coal mine. If the middle east continues to intensify, it continues to intensify, it continues to intensify, it continues to erupt. This could become a serious problem for all centre left parties. The democrats in november 2nd joe bidens having some really big problems over this as he goes into that fight with donald trump. I have seen numbers that suggest, even on a perfect day for George Galloway and his party, they could win. Maybe you know, a dozen or so seats. Now, in the context with a massive labour majority, obviously labour majority, obviously labour can absorb those kinds. Let me ask you very quickly before i just go to this break, because you are, the politics guru. Reform, nigel, obviously not standing down. What impact will that have in your mind if hes actively campaigning, if hes actively campaigning, if hes in the media every day, if hes in the media every day, if hes on the ground, if voters are seeing him, campaign. Nigel is always going to make a difference. Hes that kind of figure, particularly given how i would argue bland and similar. The rest of the Political Class are. Never underestimate the impact nigel farage will have on british. One of my viewers says, please can you ask nina . Was Shamima Begum old enough to know what she was doing age 16, she was at the age of 16, but i think she wasnt quite 16. She was, was she . She was younger than that, wasnt she . She was. She was 16. She was 16. As the age of focus when a lot of the stuff was going on, when she actually went, i think she was i think she was younger than i think she was 15. But was she old enough to know her own mind and what she was doing at 16 . I think you do. I think you do. There you go, paul says, michelle, be absolutely straight about things. Many 16 year olds dont even seem to know what gender they are, never mind who to vote for. Karen says 16 year olds are way too young to vote. If i had averted at that age, i would have just followed my parents again. Ive told you that other people are saying that other people are saying that ultimately it should be 21. Someone else here says, if 16 year olds are considered old enough to vote, they should also be able to face the full force of the law , you cant have of the law, you cant have anyone in society that cant that should have rights without responsibilities. Let me know your thoughts after the break. I want to talk to you about the situation of the cinema in london that was going to broadcast a film about october the 7th, that cinema was vandalised. And then last night we saw a big counter protest. How do we calm things down on the streets of britain . Tell me hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00. The professor of politics at the university of kent , matt university of kent, matt goodwin, alongside me as a journalist and broadcaster. Nina mish garford beck. Well, i was just about to say goodbye. Everybody i dont want to see the back of you just yet. Weve got another 20 minutes to go, so i shall another six weeks ago. Yeah. Well 41 days, ive said to you all and i were in it together. Everyone, were going together. Everyone, were going to get through it by hook or by crook. Were going to get there. Everyone i promise. Anyway, look, theres a cinema in london. The phoenix, to be precise. They are having. Its kind of like a mini Film Festival, if you will. Thats essentially some saying state sponsored by israel. Now theyve sponsored by israel. Now theyve put on a film that was all about, october 7. Now its created quite a backlash. So created quite a backlash. So theres been this, you know, graffiti kind of daubed on there. Its on the top of the screen there. So theyve got graffiti daubed on this thing. And now last night youve had , and now last night youve had, pro, kind of Israel Jewish supporters coming together as one to push back on this stuff, saying that they dont want to be intimidated. Ken loach, he was a patron, of this cinema. He was a patron, of this cinema. He stepped back away from his role. What do you make to all of this . Yeah, i think its pretty disgraceful, actually. I mean, i used to live in east finchley, i know the Phoenix Cinema very well. I used to go, theres an enormous Jewish Community in and around east finchley. Lots of my friends still live there. And i think what this is really showing for me, this is a Council Process on the screen. What this is showing is, is, is, is the very virulent, aggressive intimidation and intolerance thatis intimidation and intolerance that is shown towards, the Jewish Community here in britain. Just to be clear, what what this Film Festival is showing is a documentary called supernova the Music Festival massacre, which tells the story of the attack by hamas, the islamist Extremist Organisation on the nova Music Festival, and how hamas murdered and raped jews. They have every right to show that documentary vie, in britain, within that community, and again, it speaks to the intolerance among some on the left, a kind of alliance of, you know, kind of radical cultural left and radical islamists who are trying to shut it down because thats what they do. They try and shut down views and perspectives they dont like. But im all for showing this documentary, and i and i hope that the reality by the way, michel, of what happened on october 7th, which is still denied by a large, worryingly large share of people, particularly on the left, also british muslims, are worryingly large number deny the events of october 7th. I hope more of these documentaries are shown across britain so we can educate people about what happened. People about what happened. I just want to ask you a question. Who is denying the events of october the 7th . Who specifically . Well weve had surveys over the last few weeks. Ive written about these. Weve had a survey of british muslims which has shown that , muslims which has shown that, somewhere between a third and 40 deny that october 7, what you said included, the murder and rape of jews. Weve had comprehensive surveys showing that Younger Voters, labour voters are much more sympathetic of hamas, more supportive. But but yes, but but but being sympathetic towards hamas is not the same as denying. Well, just ive just said that weve had surveys that show a large number of british muslims. No, no, no, but im sorry. Yes, i understand what you said about the british muslims. I wanted to know what you say about the young, left leaning people. You say that they are pro palestine and a supporting hamas, israel and sympathetic anti israel. But are they are anti israel. But are they are they are they like, are they like holocaust deniers . Are they like holocaust deniers . Are they actually. Yeah. I think there is a section on the left that basically , has the left that basically, has refused to engage with the reality of october 7th. And are they denying that it happened . Are they denying it . I think there are people on the left youre saying, i think, but you dont have a fact for that. Well, i can go and look at the survey. Im pretty sure on the survey. Im pretty sure on the surveys well find a significant chunk, because thats a very worrying thing, because the one of the its not surprising. We can see at the rallies and the chants and the sickening. No, no, were not talking about the muslim side or the palestinian saying the left, the left on the left who are marching with hamas, hamas sympathisers. But im saying i what i think this is very important to, to make a distinction between being sympathetic towards hamas or being anti israeli extremist and absolutely, i agree with that. And denying that it happened. And denying that it happened. And i think its very important also when we have any discussion about this, this area that theres a distinct difference between netanyahus government , between netanyahus government, the israeli people and the jewish people because weve gone in a completely different direction. No, no, i havent gonein direction. No, no, i havent gone in a different direction. Gone in a different direction. Sukh people accept the events of october 7th or do they not . Yeah. Well. Well, exactly. But but im saying but im british. Jews have a right to go and watch a documentary. Of course they do. Im completely against. Im completely against. Im completely against. Im completely against. But i wanted to i wanted, i wanted you i wanted you to clarify the point that you made because you were made. You made this rather general statement about the left not accepting the events of the october general statement. Since october the 7th, every week weve had thousands of people talking about that singing anti semite slogans, talking about the denial of the events, which is like holocaust denial. And i want that made clear. And i want that made clear. Ive got to say, actually , i ive got to say, actually, i would add that not only if youre suggesting that some people deny it, of course, weve seen examples of some people celebrating it. So not denying that its actually happened or actually celebrating somebody like its been a thing in the first place. Goodness me. What do you make to it all . Get in touch all the usual ways. Hello, everybody. Happy friday to you. I am Michelle Dewberry and dewberries haven is open, so cheers to you at home and to my panel cheers to you at home and to my panel, nina myskow. And to my panel, nina myskow. And to my style. Oh. We reached. Yeah, we did it. Cheers everyone. What am i drinking here, what is that . I think prosecco. Is it . Im hoping its champagne. I think thats prosecco. It is very nice. Champagne, this is gb news. Were not, the bbc. We dont take taxpayers money and spend it on champagne. Thank you very much, moira says, are you having double measures tonight, michelle . The size of these glasses havent been. Dont tempt me. Look, i want to get through a couple of other bits before we go. Paula. Wednesday, three at the inquiry today. Crying her eyes out. Have you got any sympathy for us . Oh, my god, shes crying for herself. Not for anything. Anything else . That woman. As far as im concerned, that woman should be behind bars. She is supposed to be a reverend. Wheres the christianity . Wheres the christianity . Wheres the christianity . Wheres the humanity . Wheres the empathy . If she didnt know what she said, she didnt know. Shes completely incompetent. So shes completely incompetent. So shes. Shes not only let down all these poor people who deserve, you know, give them each £1 million and that be the end of it. But shes let women down. Women have fought so hard to get to positions of authority. And then its like when youre driving a car and theres a car being driven very badly in front , and you come badly in front, and you come round and its a woman, you think, oh my god, i completely reject this. So just because shes a woman, i have no connection with Paula Vennells at all. Just because of she shares an anatomy with me. I dont buy this notion that a female that succeeds in business is therefore has this responsibility to be some kind of role model to all females, because women have had to fight so hard to get through the Glass Ceiling to be there and then to and then to screw it up in this way is just dreadful. But her genderis way is just dreadful. But her gender is not relevant to that. Well, you know, perhaps perhaps its a generational thing with you. With me. Michelle, i feel that that that women do have more empathy. They have more sensitivity in terms of humanity. And when its patently , obviously, you know, patently, obviously, you know, demonstrated otherwise , i feel demonstrated otherwise, i feel very badly let down. I share the female kind of empathy. Like, i know this sounds really weird. Im going on a random tangent, but obviously i hate all paedophiles, obviously. But whenever i hear of a female paedophile, theres something in me that almost feels that as a woman, the sex that gives birth and creates children to then do that somehow, thats thats exactly what im saying. Its worse. Its worse. Yeah. Anyway, i will ask you about female paedophiles. Youll be pleased to know. Ill move on and talk about british sitcoms. Right, instead, herm, do you have a british sitcom that was your favourite, for some horses. Your favourite, for some horses. Oh, is that your favourite one . Loved it, maybe dads army. What was your favourite scene in only fools and horses . Oh, come on, its inflatable dolls every time. No, no, its the bar. Its the bar, its the bar falling through the bar. And also the chandelier where they were. They unscrewed the chandelier and theyre standing holding the. Its also a good one, but the inflatable dolls have me. Oh, its the bar. Oh, its the bar. No, no. No, no. But anyway. But what this thing is saying is the you know, were losing these, yeah. The classic british story is, by the way, sorry. In case you think im just randomly going on a tangent, the head of the bbc comedy biscuit says it will be an oversupplied with so called comedy dramas instead of proper british sitcoms. Thats why im asking about it, i think. I think thats true. I think the other thing that concerns me, and not to turn this into a kind of usual woke bashing thing, but what concerns me now is every time i have five minutes and i put the tv on and eastenders is on, or hollyoaks is on or something at 7 pm, 8 pm. Is on. I feel Like Television programs today are just jamming politics down our throat , and just jamming politics down our throat, and not all politics are particular side of politics. I feel like im being lectured to constantly by Television Programmes when i watch adverts. Yeah, adverts or dont get me started on adverts. Ive ranted about whats happening in the creative industries. Is bananas right . I mean, theyre just its full of kids from elite families using adverts to project political messages. I wonder what its like for people who live outside of london, outside of the university towns, in mainly, lets say, White British areas that voted for brexit. And theyre looking at these adverts that are portraying the country in a sort of way whereby britain isnt even britain anymore. Its this sort of weird, hyper liberal, hyper diverse, you know, but this country is diverse in some areas, but not all areas. But then the one of the reasons i live in london is because it is diverse. I surprise me, but london is only a small part of london. London is, is what, 8 million, 9 Million People to represent . Theres 70 Million People in this country. We need to represent this everybody in britain. Let me ask you this very quickly. Do you know when you watch adverts, do you notice just how the casting in the adverts is these days . And whether or not you think theres something deliberate going on there thats a bit theres probably probably something very deliberate. But but i dont really watch ads much. I dont really care about it. But what i care about is sitcoms. And i think the reason that sitcoms arent funny is because we havent got writers who are good enough. But as long as theres the last, episode of gavin and stacey, im happy, one of my viewers says we need a gb News Entertainment channel. Well bring back the inbetweeners, harry enfield, paul whitehouse. I used to like roy chubby brown. I think that says quite a lot about the calibre, of my teenage years at least. Anyway, cynthia says thanks for the comedy tonight. You, nina, have really made her laugh with your suggestion that there should have been a second referendum. There you go. We aim to please here on dewbs co. Have a fantastic bank holiday weekend. Everyone. Take care. Patrick christys is up next. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good evening. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update this weekend. Its going to be a bit of a mixed bank holiday, the driest weather expected on saturday for most of us. Well turn a bit more unsettled as the weekend goes on, but through this evening the pressure pattern really settles down and that will set us up for a much dner that will set us up for a much drier and colder night to come. Tonight there are areas of cloud and rain weve seen across. Northern areas will slowly drift northwards through the next few hours, and these clearer skies across the south will become more widespread, pushing into parts of southern scotland by the morning. Theres a chance of some mist and fog across some southern counties , and its southern counties, and its going to be a fresh start. As i say, temperatures could be down as low as three, 3 or 4 degrees across parts of wales southern areas of england as well, but it will warm up fairly quickly as the sun will shine. First thing we could see some sunshine first thing across the north east of scotland where were sheltered from that more southerly wind, thicker cloud, though further south and west still some drizzly rain. But i think things will improve through the day here. Elsewhere across much of england and wales it will be a dry and bright start, but some mist and fog may allowed some drizzly rain. Notice though, we do have this area of quite persistent rain moving into the south and east thats moving in from parts of europe, and that could bring some very heavy rain to eastern areas potentially. So a bit of a wet day is on the cards for eastern areas of england, just some areas actually. Most of us should stay dry through the day on saturday, andifs dry through the day on saturday, and its going to feel much warmer than it has done today. Highs of around 22 degrees in the south, closer to 19 degrees across the north. But under the cloud its going to be a bit of a disappointing day. Things turn much more unsettled on sunday. Bands of showery rain will push north and eastwards through the day, some more persistent rain for northern areas. Heavy possibly thundery downpours across many central and southern areas and that could bring some localised disruption , perhaps localised disruption, perhaps some flooding and spray on the roads. And it will likely stay unsettled into the half term week. Week. It looks like things are heating up boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news. Hey. Very good evening to you. It is 7 pm. On friday. The 24th of may. And this is a gb news election special. Over the next hour, i have got conservative mp anna firth, former advisor to tony blair and john prescott. Darren murphy and former lib dem mp mark oaten. Here in the studio, ive got the spectators top political hack james heale, former labour mp Stephen Pound and commentator extraordinaire emma woolf. We are 48 hours or so now into this seismic general election campaign. Theres been gaffes, theres been resignations and finally