even if we want to have a world that we're imagining that at some point, that's not about to happen. in a world where we are going to have police officers policing these cities how do we generate some kind of structural incentive that improves the reasons and the ways -- i mean so i hear heads roll and accountability, but then heightened tensions create a way in which officers then feel even more desire and interest to kind of intervene in black lives. >> that's a difficult question because when i envision a world where black lives matter the police as we know it don't exist. we have to navigate the system in the meantime. so civilian review board that looks like demilitarizing the police. one thing encouraging about mosby's statements she said systemic so structural. lets me know that she's thinking

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