largely unscathed. all that has been damaged is columbia's guarantee of academic freedom, ends quote. joining me now is michelle goldburg. michelle good to have you here. this is a tough conversation because the stuff that we're talking about, the things that offend people in this conversation, are offensive. >> right. i mean, i think it's tough for two reasons. one there's been genuine incidents of both anti semitism and really kind of callus celebration of anti semitism in columbia as well as other universities. and has encouraged a really narrow reading of free speech in recent years. has said, you know talked about emotional harm and emotional safety and that impact matters more than intent. it was always some what obvious that eventually the right was going to take it and run with

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