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I just remember riding my bike up and down this street and running around in my friends yards and sleepovers and playing hopscotch and playing in the rain puddles on this street. So you were safe. My parents would let me ride my bike all over. This road really just reminds me of childhood. On february 25th, 2005 when i found out my father was arrested, this place became not my home. And no one ever slept in my house again. You okay . Yeah. Are we good . Everybody is rolling . Reporter its been more than a decade since your life, as you knew it changed forever. What do you remember about that day . It was a normal day. I had slept in. I was substitute teaching and i would just took the day off. And then theres a knock on my door. So im already thinking who is this person in my apartment building. He said he was the fbi. Reporter is there any reason you should even expect the fbi to be no. Reporter at your home . No. Reporter what does he say, exactly . He asked, do you know who btk is . I was like, you mean the person thats wanted for murders back in kansas . And then he says, your dad has been arrested as btk. I was like, saying, i think im going to pass out. Reporter he calls himself btk strangler and promises to kill again. Btks brutal crimes shocked wichita. The most infamous, unsolved serial killing spree in wichita history. Btk stood for bind, torture, kill, and that was his m. O. Reporter three letters which can touch off memories for anyone who lived in wichita in btk emerged in 1974. When btk came forward, everybodys life changed. It was really part of wichitas history. Reporter the btk killings changed the way people lived in wichita. It changed wichita from a sleepy, little, friendly town into a place and a city where you now lock your door and you check your phone and make sure you have a dial tone. Were asking that anyone with information on this case, please call our Crime Stoppers line. The body was discovered here. I think well solve the crime. The question is when will we solve the crime . Btk was a monster, who killed a total of 10 people, two of those children, in cold blood. This was a serial killer who got away with it for 30 years. Thats very rare. There was somebody out there targeting women and children. Btk was the boogeyman made real. He would be driving down the street, and he would see a woman walking, or a woman on the front porch, and he would look at her, and he would say shes next. So the killings were random. He would break into someones home, hide in a closet, wait hours until they were fast asleep and then attack. To this day i still check inside the closets, under the bed, behind the shower curtain when im in unfamiliar territory. You never knew when he was going to show up, and you never knew where he was going to be next. People were really frightened. This is one of the most challenging cases that ive ever been involved with. None of the women were actually physically sexually assaulted. What he wanted was the image of a bound woman. He killed in the 70s proficiently, and then stopped it seemed. It became almost mythology. This figure came. He killed a bunch of people and then he left. It was kinda slipping into history when in 2004 a mailing come and there was no question who it was from. Police in wichita, kansas, are investigating the possible return of a serial killer. A serial killer who calls himself btk resurfaces after 25 years. This is kake news. We have exclusive details on a new communication that could be from the serial killer. We were all scared to death to see if he was going to kill again and was i going to be the next victim . It scares me to be out by myself anymore. For the second time in just over a week, another possible communication from btk arrives here at our studios. He thrived on the publicity, and i think he thrived on scaring the heck out of everybody in this city. We begin tonight with breaking news in the case. Btk is arrested. His hunger for publicity seems to have done him in. We have learned that rader has been charged now with ten counts of first degree murder. He was living a double life here in wichita. Residents are still trying to digest the fact that a possible serial killer lived among them. Nobody wouldve imagined this church leader, this father, this good husband as somebody that could even contemplate the murders that he committed. Btk was literally the guy next door with a wife and two kids. Everybody wanted to talk to the family members, everybody did. How do you process this earthshattering news . You dont. I said, can i call my husband . He needs to come home. All this stuff is running through my head, or im like did somebody get hurt . But why would it be the fbi . So when i get home, i remember him saying, he said, have you heard about the btk, the serial killer . Were pretty sure hes the guy. We got the guy. I was trying to almost alibi my father. I was like, my fathers a good guy. Hes boy scout leader. President of the church. Im like, youve got the wrong man. You dont believe its true and you dont want it to be true. And you know your fathers not the father you know is not capable of any of this. Reporter were you worried at that point that your mom was somehow involved in this as well . No, i never imagined that my mom was involved in anything bad. I was very worried about her and wanted to call her and let her know i was okay. And i wanted to know how my brother was doing. He was stationed in connecticut with the navy. And so, like, i wasnt able to talk to my mom or my brother until, like, six or seven hours after the arrest. When you first heard her voice on the phone just heartbreaking. Like, you could just hear her break. Utter grief and loss. She was in shock and total disbelief. How is mrs. Rader doing . Shes having a very difficult time with all this. In shock. Just unbelievable. Totally in disbelief. Police are being very tight lipped about the evidence against him, but there are reports the suspect is confessing to many of the murders. When did you type this . Well, it probably would help to have a calendar. So youre trying to deny this. And your father is confessing to being a serial killer. Right. I was like, what is he confessing to . Youre not with it. Youre like what is he confessing to. Theyre like, oh, hes confessing to the crimes. Reporter after your dads arrest, you actually started googling, trying to see what you can find out about this killer and also about your dad. Yeah. I made a really huge mistake to go google btk. Screening test. The delivery guy just dropped it off. Our doctor says it uses advanced science. Its actually stool Dna Technology that finds 92 percent of colon cancers. No prep, and private. Colon Cancer Screening thats as easy as get, go, gone. Ask your doctor if cologuard is right for you. 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If you want to freeze americana and go back, wichita was very much like that. No matter where you go in town, you will run into somebody you know. Everybody knows everybody. Its a nice town. Its a good place to live and a good place to be the district attorney. Never in a million years did wichitans think that a serial killer would come from here. Kansas police now say dennis rader may be linked to ten murders going back to 1974. Wichita in many ways simply grew up. Reporter suddenly the life you thought you had has just sort of vaporized. Oh, yeah. Like, every moment of your whole life was a lie. Even back to before you were born. Dennis rader was born on march 9th, 1945. He grew up an allamerican boy playing cowboys and indians. He was the first of four brothers, a very ordinary life. His childhood was very normal. He was raised in a rural area with good parents. Reporter had he come from a happy home . Yeah, i would say he came from a really solid home. I was very close to his parents. My grandparents, bill and dorothea. Reporter did you ever get any sense that he had experienced anything abusive or no, no. Reporter physically . No. No, there was nothing ever to hint at that that something could be amiss with my father. Paula was a member of dennis raders parents church. My dad and my mom met in the fall of 1970. Raders mother knew her and knew that dennis was coming home from the military. Ans she wanted paula to meet him. He had just got back from the air force. They started dating. They got married nine months later in may of 71. I think he fell in love, and they were two good christian kids who wanted to get married in the right way. There was nothing unusual about it. When dennis marries paula, she obviously has no idea that dennis has already been having fantasies and maybe even obsessions about harming other people, killing other people, tying them up, et cetera. Hes already looking inside. Hesaking into opsom. Hes already living a double life. He knew before he met my mom what he was probably capable of. Reporter you think he knew then . Well, yeah. So why did he get married . Was it because he didnt want to be that other person or did you just want both lives . People who knew my parents before february 25th, 2005 would have told you this, dennis cherished paula. My dad would tell you the same, still to this day, but he should have known it wasnt going to be forever. Reporter your book is called a serial killers daughter. Is that how you see yourself . Its taken me a long time to even be able to say that out loud, but thats the truth. This whole odyssey starts on january 15th, 1974 in a little house on north edgemoor. It was the home of joseph otero and his wife and his five children. He saw it was a corner house, just kinda everything about it attracted him. He says that is he spotted mrs. Otero and one of her daughters when he was driving my mom to work and then stalked their family. The oteros were a relatively new family to wichita. Theyre a family of seven, five kids. And the older kids had gone off to school that day, leaving the two younger ones at home with their parents. My name is charlie otero, and i am the son of joseph and julie otero. My father was a really outgoing, jovial kind of guy. And my mom, a very caring, loving catholic woman. She was a mother first. Dense rader went to the house. He cut the phone line. And then he entered the house. Dennis rader believed that the mother and the daughter would be the only ones home. He was not expecting mr. Otero to be there. He was really taken by surprise that four people were there, that he now had to deal with. He pulled a gun on them. He tied up mrs. Otero and then he started to strangle mr. Otero. He wanted that very close personal engagement where their life was literally in his hands. So he wanted to strangle them. When the older children came back from school that day, they couldnt get into their house. So they forced entry into it, they discovered their parents. I ran down the hall, went in their bedroom and saw my mother on the bed, my father on the floor and my heart just got ripped out of my chest. My life changed instantly. Charlie otero ran to a neighbors house, called the police. It was the police who discovered his little brother in another room and then found their sister. They went down into the basement and found josephine. 11yearold Josephine Otero will be bound with rope and shes hanging just off the floor. He hangs her. Probably has a fantasy about that. Leaves his dna at the scene and leaves. I thank god every day that i didnt find joey and josie because i dont know how i would have handled it. Theres a lot of evidence collection that you dont know what youre going to do with. You want to collect everything. Because you get one shot at a crime scene. Law enforcement will collect dna on the floor. They didnt collect it for dna analysis. They just did not have the technology. In 1974, who would think that dna testing was going to be this criminal investigating tool . Myself and another reporter were on the scene of the otero murder. And that murder was a little different because the police werent saying anything. So we knew that something really terrible had happened in that house. The otero murders rocked this city. It was unheard of in wichita, kansas, to have a family of four murdered. Why would someone want to kill this wonderful family . Unknown to wichita, they had just been visited by someone who was killing for sport. What he does next will make it perfectly clear that dennis rader is after much more than just murder. He really wants the spotlight. He wanted to be the most famous serial killer in the famous serial killer in the country. We all care about amazing taste. 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Lets go the bodies of joseph otero, his wife julie, their daughter josephine and their son joseph ii were discovered in the east wichita home. The victims had been bound, gagged and strangled with a cord. You have a quadruple homicide in a family neighborhood in wichita, kansas, in the middle of america. That just doesnt happen. People in wichita didnt know who it was. We didnt know what kind of person would do that. We just wanted him behind bars. I dont understand how somebody that could be so protective of his own children could murder other children. He had just an incredible ability to compartmentalize. Rader called it cubing. The way that cubing works is you have multiple sides to a cube. When hes on the face of it, those sides are all part of him. Hes not aware of them. He doesnt see them. He only is able to look out from one face. He can switch it very fluidly to the next side of the cube if he needs to, whatever the situation calls for. He could leave a crime scene, come home, clean up, go to bed, get up and start another day. Even when he wasnt killing, he was still looking for the possibility. Killers like dennis rader, theyre called power control killers. They love the power, they love the control and they want the attention. Whats a natural way to get attention without identifying yourself is to interact. Call the media. On october 22nd, 1974, don granger, who was a columnist for the Wichita Eagle, received a phone call from somebody whos claiming to be btk. This guy tells him to look in the city library. Tells him a very specific place. Go to the engineering section, in fact, tells him the shelf and the book to look for. The police go find the book and there is a letter that describes the otero murders in detail. The police did pick up somebody, three guys, for the otero murders. This was in the newspaper, and rader was upset. He didnt want someone else to get credit for his murders. Hes somebody who really seeks attention. And so when hes not getting it, it upsets him. Because his identity in life is committing these crimes. He wanted to show that he knew who killed the oteros. He had done it alone. He knew all the details. He proved that by writing the details out. He goes point for point. Where each one of the oteros were found in the house, what they were wearing. They knew it had to be him because nobody had that level of detail. So its kind of like, im your guy, but youre not going to figure out who i am. In the letter, he suggests the moniker btk, which would stand for bind, torture, kill. It was his nom de plume. Thats what he wanted to be called, because thats what he did. He sai iik o rture th i lik to kill them. In july of 1975, rader became a father for the first time. My brothers three years older than me. Suddenly hes now has a real family. He and his wife are overjoyed to have a child. He was working for adt, the security company. He got to be in peoples homes. To my dad the person that committed breaking and enterings and talked people, i would imagine that sort of gave him like that side of him, like, a thrill. Then he starts getting a little bit restless. From 1974 to 1977, he will kill three more women. A College Student named kathryn bright, a mother of three named shirley vian and a 25yearold named nancy fox. I was born in 78. My dad murdered a young woman when my mom was three months pregnant with me. That kind of stuff happens to somebody else, but not to someone in your family. My name is beverly fox, and nancy and i were sisters. Nancy fox was a hardworking young lady, worked two jobs. She lived by herself in a duplex. What she wanted was to get married, to have kids and have a family. She loved kids. How did he find her . How did he pick her out . Why nancy . Dennis rader will describe that he saw and noticed nancy fox when she was getting mail one day. This was what he called his perfect crime. This case, nancys case, went exactly how he planned it. Nobody else was in the house. She wasnt expecting anybody else. He was not going to get interrupted. This one worked out the way his fantasies happened in his head. The next day, rader did something unusual. He found a phone booth, and he called in the murder of nancy fox. Dispatcher. Yes, you will find a homicide 843 south pershing, nancy fox. The caller said, i want to report a homicide. Police went to that address and found nancy fox dead, bound and strangled on her bed. You will find a homicide 843 south pershing, nancy fox. Reporter so when you heard this, did it sound like your father . You can hear that clipped way my father could talk. That was another like, these things just start clicking. Oh, my god, it really is my father. Pringles wavy. With a big crunch and totally different flavors, theyre not really pringles. Just like thats not really daddy. Yes it is. Ok. Pringles wavy. Theyre not, not pringles. Super saturday . 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This morning, kake tv was contacted by the person who police say they believe murdered four members of the joseph otero family. The letter in 78 to kake tv came in through the mail. Just as a normal letter from a viewer, it appeared. And once it was opened, we knew we had something unusual. Btk began todays letter with a question. How many do i have to kill before i get a name in the paper of some National Attention . The letter indicated, in no uncertain terms, when was he going to get some National Attention, that there were seven in the ground, there were many more to go. He says he is compelled to kill by what he calls factor x. In this letter he describes a factor x. He describes that as what drives him. He lets them know that he cant stop. The factor x makes him want to kill and hes going to keep killing. The Early Communications were more about exerting control and terrorizing wichita. With us right now is chief of Police Richard lamunyon. Chief lamunyon had to give an announcement to the public to give them a warning that there was a serial killer in our community. What kind of leads do you have . Well, very honestly, we have no solid leads at all. We didnt know that all the murders were related. When he announced that, now you definitely know that theres a serial killer on the prowl. It was overwhelming horror at who is this person. Reporter after the fox murder, he didnt kill anyone again for eight years. Right. The chief does want people to be aware that btk is probably still around so people should be careful. I have no reason to doubt that the individual will strike again assuming that hes still free and walking around. I was born in 78. He has said himself that he just got busy, like, raising kids and having a family. Reporter how would you describe your childhood with your father . I pretty much had the american dream. You know, like, the three bedroom ranch with the big backyard and the springer spaniel dog. And then, when i was four, he built a massive tree house for my brother and i. Reporter gentle . Loving . Stern . Kind of a mix. Most of the time he was even keel and kind and warm. At times he could be very firm or have flashes of anger or outbursts that you werent expecting. Reporter was he physically abusive ever . So we only saw physical abuse twice. It was a friday night. My mom had worked all day. Like, she had gone to a lot of work to make manicotti for us. Which was, like, a special meal. I dont know who started an argument, but our family got into an argument. Somebody pounded on our old rickety kitchen table. And all of a sudden my dad just sprung up out of the chair and lunged for my brother. Like, facing him front. Like, his hands around his neck like this. Reporter like choking him . Yeah, like trying to strangle my brother. My brother was, like, the color of a white sheet. He was just petrified. Reporter had you ever seen that side of your dad before . No, i never. It was extremely out of the characteristic of my father to be physically abusive. April 27th. Its 1985 and maureen hedge who just happened to be his neighbor about six doors down, becomes victim number eight. Hell describe to us that it took a lot of guts to kill maureen hedge because it was bringing the police close to home, literally a few houses away. I was 6 years old. The night she went missing, there was a thunderstorm. I still can recall that night, because i crawled into bed with my mom. So i knew my dad was gone that night, because i wouldnt have ever crawled into bed with my mom if my dad had been there. Reporter why was he gone . He was on a cub scout campout with my brother who was 9. The crime was planned with the alibi in mind. He had to find ways to get opportunities. One of those ways was these overnights. He was a volunteer for the boy scouts when his son was involved and had a good space of time where he could go murder maureen. He will leave that boy scout event. He will drive to wichita. He cuts through even the backyard of his own residence and goes to maureen hedges house. Cuts the phone line, breaks into her house. He kills her at her home and then transports her body over to the church. What he has done, is he has prepared his church, the church that he was a member of he was the congregational president , and he wanted to take pictures of her posed. Dressed her in underwear he had stolen from other houses, took polaroid photos of her and then dumped her body in a ditch. He drives right back to the boy scout event and picks up right where he left off. Back to being dennis rader. The husband, the father. Somehow i knew at 6 that her body had been found and that she had been murdered and she had been strangled. The body was nude and police say badly decomposed. A pair of knotted pantyhose were found lying in the ditch beside it. Reporter how did that affect you . It scared me. Like, i started having night terrors around that time. I would wake up screaming, sitting up in bed. My mom was always the one that would come comfort. I would say, theres a bad man in my house. And shes like, no, theres no bad man in your house. Over the next five years, he kills two more women. Vicky wegerle in september 1986 and Dolores Davis. My mother was a loving person. And for that reason, had lots of friends and really no enemies. Dolores house has obvious signs of an intruder making entry into the back of the house. Theyd used a cinderblock and threw it through a sliding glass door. Shes, of course, going to be immediately up running out there. Thats when she sees him, the monster standing there. Hell kill her in the residence, and he will remove her body. He ends up dumping Dolores Davis out in sort of a culvert by a bridge. My mother had been a beautiful person inside and out, and shes disregarded like a bag of garbage. Several days later shes found by a boy walking a dog. The dog breaks loose, runs under the bridge and finds dolores. His last three victims are not initially connected by the police to btk. And thats because theyre different. The bodies are in a different location. And hes not really attracted to one particular type of person. Theyre in the right place, the right location for him. Then he acts. Whether theyre young, whether theyre old. Its more important to commit the crime than it is what the person may look like or what their age might be. Dennis rader, after he murdered Dolores Davis, went silent. He went silent for a very long time. Most people believe that he was either incarcerated for another crime, or killed himself, or whatever, because serial killers dont quit killing until theyre caught. It became generational. People did forget about btk, and there was a lot of speculation, where is he . Btk was actually living among us. He was going to the movies with us. He was going to the Grocery Store with us. 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Btk, it was thought he had disappeared. Theres this long hiatus where he doesnt call the police. He doesnt talk to the newspaper. Theres no more killings that are in that period of time. Nobody in a thousand years thought that this story was going to come back. Thats raisinchildren. Eporter in 1991 your father pa Compliance Officer. Right. I was 12. And he sort of settled back down again, because he had a steady job and almost had an outlet again for that psychopathic behavior. He enjoys it. Mainly because it provides a certain amount of authority. He walks around with this big old dark gun. Hes in uniform telling people to cut their grass, get a permit. The Compliance Office that dennis rader worked in was right next door to the Park City Police department. It wasnt as if he was hiding at all. Dennis rader granted kansas station, ksn, an interview about his job as a dog catcher. We have been trying to round them up as best we can. In the years after the last killing back in 1991, his family was just moving along in their normal pace. His daughter went to kansas state university. I met my husband darian at kansas state in 98. So he lived in the dorm across from mine. Reporter did your parents like him . You kind of get that push back like all fathers do against their girls boyfriends. Hes like, well, i dont really like his leather jacket. He just seemed like another regular wichita dad to me. And then in 2003, my dad walked me down the aisle at our wedding. For those who were here, he was in the back of their mind, but people, their lives went on. There was an article in the paper in 2004 about the 30year anniversary of the btk killings. And we included in there that nobody remembered him, which invoked his ire. He saw this in the newspaper and decided he didnt want someone else to tell his story. He wanted to control it. That again goes back to i want attention. These are my murders. I identify with them, and i want you to know that i did them. After the articles published, he sends a letter to the Wichita Eagle. The address on it is bill thomas killman, which is btk. Ill never forget that day. We open it up, and it was pictures of Vicki Wegerle. In the Vicki Wegerle case, he had taken pictures of her, and he gave the police, basically, photocopies of those pictures that clearly only the killer would have. So they knew now hes back in the game. He wanted to enter the arena and clash swords with Law Enforcement again. He enjoyed that and then thought that he was up to the task again. This morning we have more information on the letter sent to the Wichita Eagle by the btk killer. After the reports that btk is back, there was an explosion of interest. In the nations heartland, a serial killer resurfaces. Why btk remained silent for 25 years remains a mystery. This was a local story for many years, but once btk reemerged, it became a Huge National story. Reporters just descended on wichita. Police say they want help finding a man who calls himself btk. The killer is linked to eight unsolved murders. Police reveal that they received more letters from btk. We were on the front page of the paper for 69 days in a row. It is the only thing that people talked about. You know, the monsters back. Fear fell over every woman in wichita. This guy is back, and am i going to be next . We went in to stores where things like pepper spray were selling off the shelves. Selfdefense classes were full. Buying pepper spray and a stun gun and as soon as they get the little laser guns im going to get one of those. We went to a playground and there were moms there with their kids. These moms were scared. One of them, when we talked to her, she pulled a hunting knife out of her front pocket. Im going to start carrying it in my pocket just in case anyone wants to mess with me. I came across an article on abc news. And it said that there had been an active serial killer in wichita in the 70s and that he had become active again. I was shocked, like, that there was a serial killer in wichita. Reporter what are you thinking a serial killer in wichita would be like . I figured he was a loner. Somebody that probably had been in trouble with the law before and kept to himself. Good morning. Ken landwehr was the lead homicide detective when btk reappeared. Question are again asking for help from the public. There was a strategy from the very beginning to have Kenny Landwehr be the face of the investigation. We truly feel that he is trying to communicate with us. And the experts believed that would help to keep dennis rader talking. You have to provide him an adversary, an adversary that he can identify with. And so it was decided very early on that any communications to the public were going to come from Kenny Landwehr. The tip that was received by the wichita television station indicated that another possible btk communication was dropped on january 8th. Between 2004 and 2005 there were a series of communications both to the Wichita Eagle and to kake tv. The communications came in many ways. Sometimes they were a postcard, sometimes they were a letter. In one instance he left a cereal box on a county road. Cereal boxes because serial killer and cereal boxes. He thought this is a great joke. He got these dolls, dressed them to look like his victims, put them into the boxes with some of the victims items. He started really having fun. This is what he called his cat and mouse game. It was kind of like a Treasure Hunt for him for people. We know he is watching and we know he is listening and to him we say the message has been received and passed on. Every communication that we got and that we relayed out, we knew as a media if we kept him communicating, he was going to slip up. 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How many do i have to kill before i get National Attention. It became a Huge National story. Made its way into pop culture. Made for tv movies. Its been 30 years since the first btk killings. We expected a Charles Manson looking guy. It wasnt. He was the guy in the line next to us in the Grocery Store. He got these dolls, dressed them to look like his victims. Is your dad mentally ill or is he evil . Bottom of the river btk started sending packages with mementos from his crimes. One that was part of what led to his undoing was dropping a package in the back of a truck at a local home depot. The police were able to recover that package. In this box is a piece of paper entitled communication. And he actually spells communication wrong. And asks about whether or not he can send a floppy disk without being traced. And he tells Law Enforcement to be honest. He says, let me know in the want ads, in the classified ads of the Wichita Eagle that its okay. If i see it, give me a couple weeks to send you something. We put an ad in the paper, rex, itll be okay. And rader fell for it. He believed landwehr enjoyed the game as much as so he would be honest. Eventually the disk arrives. And it is taken directly to a Forensics Software detective. Anybody that had connection to the investigation in this case was in that room. We got into the metadata and it showed that it had been typed on by a computer at a church in park city. The name of the computer was registered to the name of dennis. Theres another detective who googles the christ Lutheran Church. And on their webpage is the president of the church, dennis. Thats when it sunk in, this was his greatest mistake. Police still had that dna that they collected back in 1974 at the otero murders, and they knew that dennis rader had a daughter. They got a warrant for my medical records at the College Health center. Reporter and you had no idea . I had no idea. They found out i had, like, annual pap smears. They got a sample of my dna. Reporter in some ways, your dna sealed your dads fate . It did. But nobody told me this. It wouldve been nice if someone had asked me for my dna. I would have willingly given it. I felt like it was an invasion of my privacy. Wed matched that dna to the otero dna, on the little girl, we knew we had our guy. The night that landwehr called me and said, the dna matches to dennis rader, i laid on the bed and cried. cause it was done. You know, i went to an office myself and knelt down and thanked the lord. On february 25th, 2005, we knew something was up because none of our sources in the Police Department would call us back. Overnight, we called 200 policemen. We had helicopters. We had resources from we had a tank. We were the arrest team. We had eyes on him. We knew he was leaving work. We were going to catch him right before he got to his house. We pull him over, and before he can hardly get it in park, were yanking him out of the car. We put him down. And he looked at the detective that had handcuffed him and said, would you let my wife know i wont be home for lunch . I assume you know where i live. And i got chills. She always met my dad for lunch. The police knocked on her door and said that she needed to leave the house quickly. Dennis rader is arrested. He was taken back to a car that Kenny Landwehr was in. And he leaned in and said, hello, mr. Landwehr. Dennis rader, in my estimation, was just totally enamored with Kenny Landwehr. He was kind of like, were buddies. Im from the dark side and youre on the light. My boss calls and says, susan, you have to get to work right away. Were almost sure btk was caught. I got to tell you at that moment i literally felt this huge weight being lifted off my shoulders and i started crying. I never knew how afraid i was until the day he was caught. This is a breaking news alert from kake on your side. A quarter century search for wichitas worst serial killer is over. Police confirming today they have made an arrest of btk. I got the phone call from my sister. She said they got him. I said yeah, right. She goes no, they really got him. They swear its him. Then the news blitz came on and it was all over everywhere. Btk is arrested. Police say this man, 59yearold dennis rader, is the btk strangler. Reporter and you were still at that point convinced that they had the wrong man . I think reality was starting to creep in. Because i knew that btk had strangled women. Like, thats what i had know i knew from the news. It hit me that our neighbor down the street, marine hedge, had been strangled. And i felt my stomach just twist realizing it could be true. I think the surprise for all of us is we expected a Charles Manson looking guy. It wasnt. Dennis rader is literally the least likely suspect. He is a pillar of the community. Hes the president of his Lutheran Church congregation. He is a Compliance Officer. He wore a badge. People at the leekers would see him there all the time. Hey, how are you doing . He was the guy in the line next to us at the Grocery Store. Everything was set to go. So they could start the interrogation. We had moved him to a room that we had prepared, and he started talking. He kind of danced around for a while. He didnt think that they had kept the biological specimens from the crimes that he had committed all these years. Then they brought up the dna. And they could nail him. Isnt anyway you can get out of your dna, right . You cant get out of your dna unless you had a total blood transfer and lost every organ. Its there. And it was at the almost the exact three hour mark of them being in the room. He said you got me. Im btk. I guess you guys got me. What else can i say . Say who you are. Im btk. Youre btk. Theyre talking to rader and lieutenant landwehr pulls up in a ziplock evidence baggie with the purple floppy disk in it. He slides it in front of rader and says, know what this is . Dennis rader starts poking his finger forcefully on this floppy disk. He says, i got a question. Im gonna ask you this question. I need to ask you this question. I need to ask you. Why did you lie to me . How come you lied to me . Because i was trying to catch you. Lieutenant landwehr says, i was trying to catch you. It took a while for dennis rader to start talking. But once he did, he told police more than they bargained for. The list of btks victims is growing. Two unsolved murders from the 80s and 90s now tied to the serial killer. The murders of marine hedge and Dolores Davis. He spills everything in detail. A lot of times, you guys are familiar with scouting, where you campout at night. Its a good cover for a guy like me to go out and campout and then slip away. He becomes so comfortable that during a break, when hes asked to put his name on a cup of a drink that he has, he writes btk on the cup as his name. While i dont admire him, his memory was admirable. I mean, that guy remembered those scenes. And the belt that i used was the belt i was wearing. And then i had her come back and then i whispered in her ear a little bit. What did you say . I told her i was btk. I was a bad guy and then she really squirmed. He spoke for over 30 hours. And josephine, she says whats going to happen to me . I said honey, youre going to heaven tonight with the rest of your family. And he showed no remorse, no regret. The only regret he showed during this was that there werent more victims, that if he wouldnt have had a family that held him back, he wouldve been able to do and kill more people. Reporter did you ever think there was anything scary about your father, all this time growing up . Not scary, no. I mean unsettling at times. 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He wrote multiple letters, long letters, back to me. We talked on the phone every single week. I visit him in the prison. Dennis rader is arrested on friday in wichita and he has confessed. He knew he was caught. There was no question. We had not only dna, but we had all the evidence we were getting at his house. He told us that we would discover what he termed his mother lode. Information that covered from the otero murders all the way through Dolores Davis. There were journals and drawings. He had materials that he collected from each of his victims. Clothing, car keys. He had compartments everywhere. He had false bottoms in a closet, he had stuff in a crawl space, he had stuff in a tree house he had made for his kids. Also there were polaroids of himself in his autoerotic activities, that the police initially thought were male victims that they didnt know about. What we would discover is photographs of himself where he would be dressed up as a female. Sometimes he would have a mask on and a wig and he would be tied up. He was dressing himself up in bras and undwe himself, hanging from trees, taking photographs of himself half buried with a polaroid camera that hed hook up to this foot and pull the trigger. He took thousands of pictures with that polaroid. He took the photos of himself to relive the experiences. That was part of what he needed to be aroused. Reporter what did you make of all that . Horrified. To have somebody that seemed so prim and proper, to find out that was his other side, that was just weird. Like, remove all the crimes, just that is, like, shocking. Serial killers have a pattern. Usually theyre abused as children. He flatly denied any physical abuse, sexual abuse. All of the hallmarks of a person that turns into a serial killer, he claimed he didnt have. He always had a very, very healthy fantasy life. Rader had at a very young age connected Sexual Excitement with violence. In november 1959, about 200 miles west of wichita, in a town called holcomb, kansas, a family of four was murdered, tied with ropes first. Dennis rader, at the age of 14, was in a car with a girl he had a crush on. The murder of four members he heard this on the radio. This alarming story of the clutter family being murdered in their homes. He immediately wanted to kill the girl that was in the car. The in cold blood case in kansas is so shocking, they make a movie out of it. Make one move, holler once and well cut their throats. To dennis, it really taps into his fantasy and obsessions. His reaction was not horror as most peoples were. It was arousal, attraction. He wanted to do that too. Were there things in katherine ramslands book that angered you . Yeah. The book was very personally difficult to read. Rader said that his wife one time came home unexpectedly and witnessed him in her slip, hanging himself or at least preparing to do so. He tried to explain it. He says she went to a counselor and was reassured this is a man thing and it wasnt necessarily dangerous or terrible, but she wanted him to keep it out of the house. Just dont do it in front of me. So i called my mom. I said, look, hes claiming this thing in this book thats about to come out, and im like, did that happen . Shes like, no, no, no, no. She said, like, no, like, five or six times. So then it becomes this issue, who are you going to believe . Are you going to believe the sane, normal woman which is my mother . Are you gonna believe the narcissistic psychopath that you know lies all the time . Rader does have a lot of psychopathic behaviors, and we know from Brain Research that they have very shallow emotional roots. So he doesnt have a conscience about lying or deceiving or manipulating or pretending to be somebody hes not. When you try to sort this out, is your dad mentally ill or is he evil . Hes definitely mentally ill. But hes not insane. He very much knows what hes doing and what he did. Hes just a sick, sadistic murderer, is what it comes down to, not some fascinating criminal. I think to dismiss dennis rader or any other serial killer or mass murderer as a one dimensional being, is to make yourself unsafe because you will not spot the real monsters if you think theyre so easy to see. Early on, when my father wrote me in 2005, he said, like, hes so sorry things got away from him, like, cat and mouse caught up with him. You will always be my baby girl i raised right, proud, independent. Hopefully someday your heart will mend and you can forgive me. Life before the arrest was a good time, and the dark side took me away. Reporter how could you even correspond with him . I mean, people would wonder like, why wouldnt you just cut him off . I wasnt corresponding with btk. Im never corresponding with btk. Im talking to my father. Im talking to the man that i lived with and loved for 26 years. I still love my dad today. 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And jeff, our weekend weather guy, is saying, i brought him into the kake studios as a tour group. And im looking, that was him that was him taking the pictures. Dennis rader was right there, five feet from us, watching the newscast two months before he was caught. And the weird part about it was, you know during the two newscasts, we were btk, btk, btk, because we were that whole year. Can you imagine how that thrilled him . It was nearly a year ago when wichita got a reminder. Okay, we know hes charged with ten murders. Everybody wanted to talk to dennis from the National Media and interNational Media on down to those of us in the local media. Of course, i wanted to talk to dennis rader. I wrote him a number of letters, and i had included my phone number. And then on one saturday morning, i get a call. And the operator says, will you accept a collect call from the Sedgwick County detention facility . I had btk on the phone. I have a recorder going if thats all right with you. Sure. I said, there are questions that i want to ask you, and he said, go ahead. When did you first know that you had a problem . I was always curious when he knew that he was going to become something very bad in life . This was a building thing. That started many, many years ago. Can you pinpoint when you knew that there was a problem coming . Well, i would say probably even when i was in grade school, i started having problems. And what kind of problems were those . Oh, sexual fantasies. Mine was probably just a little bit weirder than other people. He said by the time i was in junior high, i knew who i was, and i knew what i was. The first thing that set btk apart was even before he started to kill was his desire to be a serial killer at a time when that phrase wasnt even in use. Theres very little Media Coverage of these people. But he was reading true detective magazines that showed him a couple of serial killers that then became role models for him. So he incorporated serial murder into his fantasy life. He talked about the hunt. The hunt for that object, it was more of a high, i guess, than it was actually them. He told me he got a high from it. Finding the woman and then killing her, that was what turned him on. Do you have any remorse over the killings . Yes, i do, have a lot of remorse for them. I feel sorry. Dennis rader told me he felt sorry for the victims. Well, no one believes that. The families certainly dont believe that. Police department doesnt believe it. The fbi doesnt believe it. It was just him trying to be human. It was more like he was sorry that he got captured or its more like hes really sorry that hes in prison. And hes cold and he doesnt have my moms cooking. Honestly, i dont ever really have saw in the letters where he said hes sorry for murdering ten people. When you add in for rader the narcissism, its always going to be about him. Narcissists have a strong buffer around themselves that is only about them, and theyll always act first in their own interests, always. Virtually everything involving dennis rader and the media can be traced back to his arrogance. He wanted attention. Attention drove him. His hunger for publicity seems to have done him in. Would he have been caught had he not reemerged in 2004, had he not sent out those envelopes to the paper and to the tv station . If he faded into the night, would he still be out there in wichita living as a married man and a father and a dog catcher . I think bottom line i want the people of Sedgwick County, the United States and the world to know that, yeah, i am a serial killer. Im going to pay for it with a life sentence. After i hung up the phone, i remember thinking, ive just talked to a man who has no soul. Now dennis rader was headed to court. All right, mr. Rader, i need to get some more information. Weve never heard a serial killer like this. 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And Nola Foulston was going to make very clear that he was going to be exposed for what he was. This guys is one very, very perverted individual. Hes not a master criminal. Hes not some piece of mythology. Hes a childkilling piece of [ bleep ]. I told the court, you know, thats all fine and well if they want him to plead guilty, but we want to put on evidence of all of the crimes so people know exactly what happened. The public was going to hear and see who dennis rader really was, not who he wanted the public to think he was. Reporter did you attend any of his Court Appearances . No. I just i wouldnt have been able to do it. I want i was torn, because you want to be there, support for your father. The Media Presence was massively heavy, and we were not keen on being anywhere near the media. Those plea hearings are usually 10, 12 minutes, but this one turned into about an hour and a half. Judge waller, rightfully so, asked dennis rader to describe what he did. All right, mr. Rader, i need to find out more information. The judge took him through every victim. I did mrs. Otero. I had never strangled anyone before. So i really didnt know how much pressure you had to put on a person or how long it would take. The whole family just went they went panicked on me. So i worked pretty quick. Mrs. Vian, i went ahead and tied her up. And, then put a bag over her head and strangled her. After she was down and not moving any more, i rearranged her clothes a little bit and took some quick photos. Here is this man standing up in court, in what i imagined was his church suit, recounting the murders of his neighbors, one by one. I had a commitment i needed to go to, so i moved her to one spot, took her out of her car. This gets complicated. Let me think now. Okay. In the interim, i took her car back to her house. Our mouths dropped, and the National Audience too. This guy is explaining every single murder in detail like hes explaining a trip to the Grocery Store. Hes giving the judge a lesson in serial killer 101. Thats his arrogance. If you read much about serial killers, they go through what they call the different phases. Thats one of the phases they go through is thats a trolling stage. Youre basically looking for a victim at that time. It was hard to stomach. He makes himself sound like hes mr. Good guy. You know, like he says, i got mr. Otero a pillow. Like, before i strangled mr. Otero. I tried to make mr. Otero as comfortable as i could. Apparently, he had a cracked rib from a car accident. So i had him put a pillow down. For his head. Reporter i was kind to him before i killed him . Thats where that massive disconnect comes in and you realize, oh, my god, my fathers a psychopath. When rader described in court how he killed my family, it was the first time id ever heard how they died. When he said that some of my moms last words were may god forgive you for that, it was like breaking my heart again. I could not believe that my mom was so beautiful and gracious in such a traumatic moment. The detectives had tried to prepare us for what we might hear in the courtroom, and i couldnt keep it together. I just broke down and lieutenant lanware came over. He just hugged me and let me cry. I was sitting at this desk and im listening behind me to all the families crying when hes thumbing through all these murders he committed and how much he liked it. I had some sexual fantasies, but that was after she was hung. It was horrible. I will accept these pleas of guilty and judge you, dennis l. Rader, guilty of murder in the first degree. The case was over except for the sentencing. Now the d. A. Had her day in court. She put together very elaborate power points to show his deviancy, his aberrancy, how bad he was. It was part of his motus operandi to enjoy them expiring before his eyes with their knowledge that he was killing them. There was nothing normal about mr. Raders existence. Nancys death is like a deep wound that will never, ever heal. There is victim impacts. She is my mother. If you want to watch six minutes of the best written impact statement, you watch that of jeff davis. For the last 5,326 days i have wondered what it would be like to confront the walking cesspool that took my mothers precious life. I spent months working on that victim impact statement, months. I just couldnt wait. If my focus was hatred, i would stare you down and call you a demon from hell. If i imembrace bitterness, i will say that you are a pervert mask raiding as a human being. After that, she was allowed to make a statement in what they call mitigation. So he gets up and i dont know if he misunderstood the wording or what, because i think he thought he was getting an award. Thanks. I cant believe the people that have helped me on this. You have to appreciate the Police Department. They have done a lot of work. I hope i pronounce these peoples last names right and if i leave someone out i apologize for that. All the families walked out. They all got up, turned around, and walked out the door. Theres many, many, many more beyond those. I would be here a long time, so i do appreciate all those people that helped. Hes thanking everybody, like the police and, like reporter he was thanking people . Yeah. Its really surreal. And then he basically said, like, my family were pawns in his game and social contacts. Reporter he called you social contacts . Right. He leaves us all with a quote from the bible. This is john 8 12. I am the light of the world. He who follow me shall not walk in darkness but have the light of life. What i always tell people is in Law Enforcement, we can quote the bible too. If you do evil, be afraid, for we do not bear the sword in vain. The judge sentenced dennis rader to 10 life sentences. He wasnt eligible for the Death Penalty, because at the time he committed the crimes, the Death Penalty did not exist in kansas. Theres one person thats going to judge him when he has to meet his maker. Then hell get his true judgment. They both have a locking mechanism in the back. Lieutenant landwehr was a towering figure in this case. No one worked harder. No one worked longer hours then detective landwehr to bring btk to justice. Unfortunately, lieutenant landwehr passed away a few years ago. He was stricken with cancer. I was at his home with other detectives that worked for him. We were right there by his bedside when he took his last breath, and man, he was a hell of a man. Kenny landwehr did die knowing that he caught btk. That is the car that dennis rader is in. I know wichita will never forget the day that he was transferred to the el dorado correctional facility. Hell never walk out of that prison, and thats where he needs to stay till the day he dies. 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Its been 30 years since the first btk killings. All of a sudden, youve got madefortv movies. Dennis rader, what on earth are you up to now . I did watch the tv movie. Its odd when you see your community displayed on the national tv. Its just an odd feeling, but i understand the interest. It was so fascinating. Every aspect of the story was fascinating. Do you know why youre being arrested . I have suspicions. The prototype for the guy in my story. Stephen king even wrote a novella called a good marriage that was made into a film that mirrors this theme. Now its on this show called mindhunter. Theres a reference to a killer in wichita, kansas my netflix notifies me on my phone. Mindhunter is just coming out, and theyre like, youre like a 97 match for mindhunter. You probably would like it. I got into like 30 seconds of it. Theres a scene in there and hes close enough to my dad. That messed me up really bad. And i havent made it through anymore mindhunter. My kids have watched it, but i have not. I know what happened. I dont have to be reminded about it. Dennis rader freely admitted that he wasnt done yet, that there was an 11th victim. That he had chosen her, that he had an 11th project on his list. I asked him if he had another victim in mind. Were you going to kill again . Well, yes and no. There was probably one more i was really thinking about it. Had you picked the person at that point . Number 11 was going to be sort of his swan song in a way. He tells us her name. He tells us her address. He tells us how long hes been stalking her, which was over a year. He tells us what kind of vehicle she drove. He told us how he approached her home one night and actually got to the front porch. This was going to be the most elaborate of all. He was going to tie her up, i think, upside down. He was going to burn the house down. There were a lot of things that he was to do to this victim that he had not done before. But when he went to her house there was a construction crew outside the house on the day. Law enforcement did reach out to this person. She was shocked. They go to that victim, whos never been publicly identified, to tell her, look, this guy wanted to have harmed you, but now that will not occur. I would never bet my life on it cause you dont know, but i truly believe that he told us everything he did to the fullest. I dont think we have any more victims out there. Reporter just months after your dad had confessed, your mom was granted an emergency divorce. I think partly to remove her finances from him. She needed to sell our home. But she needed to break off from my father not just for financial reasons. She needed to emotionally make that disconnect and move on with your life. Reporter had she contacted him . She wrote my father early on in the beginning months. But as far as i know, she has not contacted him since the summer of 2005. Reporter the biggest question was didnt his family know . Didnt his wife know . Everyone suspected that the family must have had some sort of inkling. He kept his kill kit in his closet, and people have always wondered, why didnt she go in the closet and see it . The police ask her about it, the fbi ask her about it, and she said, he was always a very neat man. I saw no reason to go into his closet. Im not sure how many wives would do that, never go into their husbands closet. Do you think your mom had any clue that your dad was doing anything criminal . No. Mom and i both said, if we had had an inkling that my father had harmed anyone, let anyone murdered anyone, let alone ten, we wouldve gone screaming out that door to the police station. We were living our normal life. We looked like a normal American Family because we were a normal family. And then everything upended on us. Theres no reason she shouldve known anything. He was very good at what he was doing. His duplicity was very, very skilled and polished. People ask me, do you know where his wife is . Do you know where btks wife is . She just disappeared, never wanted any part of anything. I cant imagine what her mom and her and her brother went through finding out who their dad was, and what he really did. That must have been almost as bad as what he did to us. I believe that the rader family has been victimized by him and i also have compassion for the pain they must be going through. But its not the same kind of a deal. You know what i mean . Its one thing to be hurt by someone you love. Its another thing to see someone that you love hurt. If his family had no idea what he was up to, or even saw any evidence of this over 30 years, it really makes you question how well do you know anyone . Some people would want to stay in the shadows. They would not want to step out publicly and say im the daughter of a serial killer. Why tell people . I tried for 9 1 2 years not to tell people. Ed over and over to god, i want a peaceful, quiet life. I live with depression and anxiety. Im suffering from ptsd. The problem is if you live such a quiet, private life, it sits inside you and eats at you because its like something you have to hide or something you have to be ashamed of. Reporter so youre taking control of your own story . Right. Im starting to take control of my own story and change the dialogue and trying to say ive gone through hell. Im still here. You too can overcome things. Dont ever give up no matter what youre going through. You can get through it. When will you tell your children who their grandfather is and what their grandfather meg vo or i can. I can see if my endometriosis pain gets better. sherry vo i can just suck it up. Or i can. diane vo i can tell myself tomorrow will be different. Or i can talk to my gynecologist today avo you didnt choose to have endometriosis. 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Thats actually the sled that my brother and i like played with in the winter and went sledding down hills and i guess it just was never picked up when Everything Else was cleaned up. I wrote my dad in the summer of 07 cause i wanted to let him know i was pregnant. Anybody would want their dad to know they were having a grandkid. But not long after that, i grew really protective of my growing baby and myself, and so i actually shut off contact with my dad for five years from 2007 to 2012. Reporter in the book, you say in the foreword, to darian, for loving me without fail. To emily and ian, when youre old enough, i will hand you this story to tell you my story. No, youre old enough yet, so stop asking. When will you tell your children who their grandfather is and what their grandfather did . When my daughter was around 5 she started noticing, like, she only had one grandfather. She was like wheres my other grandfather . I said i have a father, but hes in jail. She was just this little thing. She said what is jail . I said its like a really long time out. We have to be flexible. What were doing now works, and then when it stops working, well adjust. Now they both know grandpas in prison, and they both know that grandpa hurt people, but they dont know the word murder. They dont his names dennis, but i dont even think they know rader. Were very careful with btk. Dennis rader is 73 years old today, and hes in the el dorado correctional facility, just about 30 minutes up the road from wichita in el dorado, kansas. And thats the place where hell die. Dennis rader is in a single cell in maximum security. He watches tv, sleeps, watches the stock market, is interested in politics, is very interested when he hears about another serial killer, always wants details, and he reads. Reporter you write to him now . I do because in 2012, i was able to forgive my father. Reporter how do you forgive him for what he did . He took lives. He ruined your life. How do you forgive that . It was a very long journey. There was a lot of hard work in me, with faith. I had gone back to church. I was working, like, on my relationship with god, working on my own heart. Reporter and how did you feel finally letting that go . Oh, its just a massive release. I realized i was rotting within. Like, i didnt just forgive my father for him. I had to do it for myself. I hope to see him in heaven someday because he could be forgiven for his sins too. Forgiveness that might be difficult for many people to understand. She had to do it for herself tlanchts is the program for tonight. Im david muir. And im amy roba clrks. For all of us at abc news, have a great night. Clrks. For all of us at abc news, have a great night. Clrks. For all of us at abc news, have a great night. Hclrks. For all of us at abc news, have a great night. For all of us at abc news, have a great night. Bachelorette live twonight event starts monday. 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