Bernie picked the flavor [ laughter ] an ohio state representative facing criticism after writing a Facebook Post blaming the shooting in dayton on, quote, the breakdown of the traditional american family, homosexual marriage, fatherlessness, violent video games, professional athletes who hate our flag and the national anthem, recreational marijuana, obama and democrats. [ laughter ] shes whats known in the Republican Party as a moderate [ laughter ] executives at instagram have announced that the app will be renamed instagram from facebook. Seriously . [ light laughter ] why would facebook want to remind people of instagrams connection to an obscenely powerful reviled Parent Company . [ laughter ] i mean, thatd be like, i dont know, naming your kid [ laughter and applause former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper said during an interview on sunday that he may run for senate if his president ial bid is unsuccessful so i guess well just have to wait and see oh, okay, right. [ laughter ] so we know okay [ light laughter ] Hillary Clinton and her daughter, chelsea, are cowriting a new book titled the book of gutsy women not to be confused with trumps new book [ laughter ] olympic swimmer ryan lochte returned to Competitive Swimming over the weekend after a 14month suspension. He didnt know he was suspended. He just thought thats how long youre supposed to wait after eating [ laughter ] today was national gossip day. I know because i heard it from marcy who heard it from debby who heard it from sarah who overheard brian telling ian who heard it from kyle not to make him promise not to tell but then he told me, anyway, and now everyone knows about it. [ laughter ] the joke about gossip didnt go that well. [ laughter ] dont tell anybody [ laughter ] the fda and the American Academy of pediatrics are warning parents against giving their child breast milk acquired over the internet i guess that means more for me, said this guy [ laughter ] [ audience ohs ] buy now. Today was corporate baby name day, like my son, nike, who was born, because my wife and i just did it [ laughter ] a british man has been awarded over 24,000 after he went to a hospital for a bladder procedure and was accidentally circumcised. [ audience ohs ] this news first reported by an anonymous tip. [ laughter ] and finally, after four years of spewing racist antiimmigrant vitriol, President Trump read a scripted denunciation of racism off the teleprompter yesterday so the New York Times decided to go with this banner headline, trump urges unity versus racism. The times later admitted the headline was flawed and changed it for subsequent editions, which brings us to a segment called, hey [ cheers and applause seth all right lets lets take a look at a few seconds of trump urging unity. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in america seth hey, it doesnt really sound like he was speaking from his heart. I mean, even the painting of George Washington behind him wasnt buying it [ laughter ] you cant say someone urged something when they do it completely without urgency hes already back to quoting fox news and attacking people on twitter again today. A better headline would have been, teleprompter urges unity while old man watches. [ laughter ] i mean, hey, nerk, is trump writing your headlines now . The only things missing from that were the typos. [ laughter ] youre supposed to be the paper of record, not the paper of record scratches trump urges unity . [ record scratch ] [ laughter and applause hey, New York Times, we depend on you we need you to learn the lessons of 2016 and one of them is dont just uncritically repeat whatever this president reads off a teleprompter, because he never means it i mean, the real trump always comes out later in his tweets or his rallies or during full moons. [ light laughter ] this headline was so weird, it was like when you read a newspaper left behind by a time traveler in a scifi movie and realize youre in an alternate timeline trump urges unity . Cleveland browns win super bowl . [ laughter and applause look, New York Times, we love you. We depend on you, and thats why we need you to do better im not saying youll never make mistakes im just hoping youll get wise to trumps act and when you do, i look forward to reading the headline, New York Times wakes the [ bleep ] up. [ laughter and applause this has been hey [ cheers and applause we have a great show for you tonight. She is recently emmy nominated for her work in fosse verdon and is starring in the film after the wedding which opens in theaters this friday. Michelle williams is here, everybody. [ cheers and applause hes an incredible musician and songwriter his band Noel Gallaghers high flying birds have a new ep out, black star dancing. Noel gallagher is here to chat with us. How exciting is that [ cheers and applause and his multiple Award Winning novel there there is an incredible read. And im so excited that tommy orange will be joining us tonight. [ cheers and applause so youre here on a good one before we get to that, cnn held the second round of democratic president ial debates last week and once again, they had to split it up into two groups. And my complaint was not enough candidates in one night. So i decided to hold a debate of my own all 20 candidates are right here, right now, and theyre ready to go. So without further ado, heres the late night democratic president ial debate. [ cheers and applause seth welcome to the late night 2020 democratic president ial debate. Im your moderator seth meyers congressman delaney, lets start with you the latest polls have you at less than 1 who is still supporting your president ial campaign at this point . The people who are forced, like my dad. [ laughter ] seth governor hickenlooper, if you were president , what would be your goal each and every halloween . Startle and frighten every man, woman and child in this country. [ laughter ] seth mayor buttigieg, where is mike pence not allowed to stand when hes around women president , how would you improve by ending all of the the new starbucks menu incredible complexities that are driving every american crazy [ laughter ] seth mayor de blasio, is it possible for someone to be a democrat and still be despised in new york city i know from personal experience, it can be done [ laughter and applause seth senator bennet, how many people here do you think have no idea who you are half the people in this room. [ laughter ] seth senator, be honest. Almost everybody in this room [ laughter ] seth senator klobuchar, a lot of your critics are worried that if elected, youd spend most of your time making origami cres as your president , i will not fold [ laughter ] seth senator gillibrand, whats really going on with President Trump . I mean, how did he get this way . He had an allergic reaction to eggs, and his whole body turned red and puffy [ laughter ] seth senator booker, what do you think the inventor of the roomba is going to do next create a vacuum thats ultimately going to destabilize the middle east. [ laughter ] seth mr. Yang, this is amazing. I heard that you recently visited an alternate universe. How are things different there donald trump is an asian man who likes math [ laughter and applause seth senator sanders, i know you love to skateboard what would you say if the cops busted you and your friends for skateboarding at the park . This is not radic[ laalhter n my family and i go out to dinner, were always full before our entrees arrive what are we doing wrong . This is a bread and butter issue. [ laughter ] seth governor hickenlooper, be honest, what did you say after you lost your virginity . Thank you and what a night ive loved it. [ laughter and applause seth Vice President biden, i heard you have all the showtimes, all the hbos and all the cinemaxes. How much are you paying for cable . My plan costs 750 billion. [ laughter ] [ laughter ] senator er seth senator klobuchar, when you walk your dog, where do you leave the dog poop sitting on Mitch Mcconnells doorstep [ cheers and applause seth senator warren, i know how they grow regular corn, but how do they grow that tiny little corn you sometimes find in chinese food . With small farmers. [ laughter ] seth mayor buttigieg, what is President Trumps favorite porn hub category . Naked racism. [ laughter ] seth well it looks like were out of time, so on behalf of all the candidates, good night. Well be right back with more late night. [ cheers and applause wherever you are. Whatever youre craving. And whenever youre craving it. Doordash has the restaurants you want. Delivered to your door. Wherever your door happens to be. Download doordash. 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Subaru and our retailers have given over one hundred and sixtyfive Million Dollars to charity. We call it our love promise. And its why you dont even have to own a subaru to love a subaru retailer. Subaru. More than a car company. [ cheers and applause seth welcome back, everybody. Give it up for the 8g band right over there [ cheers and applause also back with us tonight, hes the drummer for band of skulls, who begin a u. S. Tour next month in support of their excellent new album, love is all you love. And theyll play right here in new york city on september 16th at webster hall. You can keep up with the tour and more on his instagram page, julian dorio is here, everybody. Thank you so much for being here, julian [ cheers and applause our first guest tonight is an Academy Awardnominated actress whom you know from the films such as the great showman, manchester by the sea, brokeback mountain, and her recently emmynominated role in fxs fosse verdon. She stars in after the wedding which opens in theaters on august 9th lets take a look. Hey very, very impressive. Thank you what you doing . I feel i need a little more time to explore this there are a lot of very deserving organizations out there. What . Im sorry, i was under the impression that you had already decided to be involved if you look at the information, you can see that the need undeniable clearly i just have a thick weekend ahead of me so why dont you leave all this with me and well have lunch on monday and ill tell you what i can do but in the meantime, come to the wedding, and we can get to know each other better. I have a flight to india. Oh, you know, staying the weekend wont kill you seth please welcome to the show michelle williams, everyone [ cheers and applause seth you look wonderful. Thank you so much for being here oh, thank you, thank you. Likewise, likewise seth congratulations on your emmy nomination. Very exciting. Very well deserved [ cheers and applause thank you very much seth and obviously, youre no stranger to award shows but your first emmy. Thats very exciting yeah. Seth looking forward to it but i have to bring my favorite accessory, my best friend seth you are going to bring your same best friend to the emmys. Yes, yeah seth thats exciting same best friend at every award show same best friend at every award show, yeah seth and how has your best friend been for luck so far . Not great seth yeah. [ laughter ] not great seth you know what not great seth thats why youre the best friend in the world [ laughter ] this is such a great show, fosse verdon, and i want to talk about the movie as well, but obviously, you are a huge fan of musical theater i imagine that was one of the things that drew you to this project in the first place im always looking for an excuse to sing and dance seth yeah. Find a way to just sort of slip s it into the acting and try and really enjoy so whenever i can get away with it, i do seth and this really has theres a lot of singing and dancing but it is a performance that is rooted in acting and this is a character that i think, you know, a lot of people knew, fosse. Less people knew verdon and so this show is very entertaining but its also a nice education to a person that had such a big role in musical theater over the years. I just want people to be able to pronounce her name correctly. Seth yeah. Yeah. [ laughter ] seth how am i doing . Am i doing it all right . Lets try it. Seth gwen verdon very good seth okay, great yeah. Seth and i was very worried. I was like, oh, no, i hope its not gwyn. Silent p. [ laughter ] seth sam rockwell was here and he was talking about the fact that you had a slight advantage on the dancing because you danced as a kid. Was it an advantage . Right, but have you seen him at a party seth hes yeah. Sam rockwell hes like a dirty dancer. Seth yeah. Yeah. Seth and he sort of dances with very little prompting oh, yeah. Seth yeah. He loves to dance seth i mean, its liket doesnt even nto like, drops a plate in a musical way. [ laughter ] yeah. Seth i feel like he would dance to that. Uses it in an excuse to move. Yeah seth what dance did you take as a k i took tap dance as a kid seth gotcha. Yeah, i took a lot of tap dance as a kid and then in one episode, in the seventh episode, it came in handy and they threw me a few tap steps and i got to call my mom and say, it was all worth it. [ laughter ] seth but there had been a long gap from your last day of tap to this project . 25 years. Seth 25 years. Yeah. But it was still in there. Seth yeah. Thats yeah. Interestingly. Seth my son goes to a ballet class, although its really based on the time i went, it looks more like hopping. [ laughter ] theres a lot of well, that will come in handy later. Seth yeah, thats true you never know when you need to have a hop in your back pocket [ laughter ] yeah. Seth yeah. Really hop out of danger [ laughter ] and then also, tommy kail who directed hamilton and linmanuel miranda, they both produced this. Were you as is it safe to say you were as big of a hamilton fan as everyone else absolutely. Seth h. No, i when i had first met lin, i sat next to him at an awards thing and i screamed when i saw him when i sat down next to him but i thought it was going to be my only chance to ever interact with him and had to make sure that i came back with a lot of things for the children in my life [ laughter ] and so he, like, talked into the phone and said happy birthday and then he made a video and we went into a special place and took some pictures together. Seth so you, like, abducted him basically . Because i thought it was going to be, like, one and done. Yeah [ laughter ] but he was very goodhumored about it and but then when i realized that we were going to be working together, i had to calm down. Seth yeah. You realized, youre like, wow, i really i could have paced all this stuff over the course of months. [ laughter ] yeah, and not scared him. [ laughter ] seth i like when you said you took him to a special place. Because that sounds like a van, yeah i said we need to go somewhere quiet. [ laughter ] seth i happen to have brought my van to the award show [ laughter ] and my best friend is in the back waiting for you. [ laughter ] this film after the wedding is this is based on a danish film and its a remake of sorts but the gender roles are flipped and you get to work, obviously, with Julianne Moore how was that experience . It was well, the only thing that was really difficult about it is that we were are in an adversarial position in the film and were both sort of fighting for our points of view when really all you want to do is kind of, like, cuddle. Seth yeah, right [ laughter ] which is so warm and so generous and, you know, i just wanted to be her friend. So i really had to put that aside. Seth gotcha. Do you think, though, at the end of the project you feel friendlier with her than when it started . Yeah, we cuddled. Seth thats good okay, good [ laughter ] you this is a very serious film its a very beautiful film and your character is coming in from india and you shot in india. Had you been in india before interestingly, i had. I took my daughter there when she was 2 1 2. Seth wow she still actually had recollections of it. So its a place that ive always been interested in and really wanted to experience and wanted her to experience. And then we got to go back again, this time in business class, and [ laughter ] which seth do you recommend that, of the two i recommend it. Seth yeah. It actually changes the whole experience seth yeah. [ laughter ] because you dont, well, yeah, well, you know, you dont show up as grumpy. Seth yes do you what is your if you had a main takeaway of your time in india based on having two trips now . Honestly . Seth yeah. The thing that i felt like when we when we left, was if we cant be happy here in this country with all of our advantages and our clean water and our soft beds and the roofs over our heads, what hope does the rest of the world have the poverty that you see there is truly baffling. And you come back home and you realize were so lucky to have the problems that we think we do seth yeah. It must be nice to have perspective like that. [ cheers and applause your your character is sort of someone who does not need many comforts likes to be barefoot is it true that you also like to be barefoot . Even in new york city seth you really do its been a while its been a while. Seth yeah. Im a little older now, but, yeah seth right, but in your younger new york days you would go barefoot around town . Yes seth yeah. Did that draw attention . [ light laughter ] i dont think so. No, not that i remember. Seth i mean, i guess a lots going on in new york, but if i saw someone with no shoes on in the street but i was holding shoes seth okay. Thats better. No, not like walking out explicitly without shoes seth i yeah being more comfortable barefoot than being, like, say, in a pair of seth i gotcha. So it was a little like someone whos like, im living my best life with my shoes in my hand. More so, yeah [ laughter ] exactly. Seth yeah. Like that look. That look. Seth yeah, yeah, yeah. Thats what i was going for yeah [ laughter ] seth but, see, my problem is im starting at the feet, i would panic at first id be like, oh, god. Oh, somebodys in pain there. Seth and then id have pan up until i saw the shoes in the hand id be like, okay, theyre just carefree. Yeah. [ laughter ] seth theyre not on the back end of a disaster. It just, like, you know, footloose. [ laughter ] i think thats where it came from, footloose. [ light laughter ] thank you so much for being here congrats on the show my pleasure seth and the film. Thank you so much [ cheers and applause seth and best of luck at the emmys. [ talking over each other michelle williams, everybody after the wedding in theaters friday well be right back with Noel Gallagher [ cheers and applause Noel Gallagher [ cheers and applause we switched from ford. I switched from ram. I switched to chevy. We switched to chevy. We switched to chevy. For dependability. For these guys. And just look at it. We switched to chevy. 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Your 11person band that you have this lovely bus to yourself i thought so, yeah. [ light laughter ] seth you dont feel it on stage, though. Not particularly. Seth okay. Thats good. Its my name on the poster. [ light laughter ] seth thats a good way of looking at it. Youre also touring with u2 in australia in november. Thats right. Seth and i heard that you and bono had a night where you sang karaoke together. And yet theres no no memory of it. Well, apparently, apparently, they had a party for the crew in bogata, and apparently we did karaoke. Tl you havents . Seth i swear we dont. [ laughter ] and apparently we did the moves as well. Kung fu fighting. So they say [ light laughter ] it was full of irish people who will notoriously exaggerate everything seth could have been some just soft kicking. I mean, i genuinely have no recollection of it whatsoever. Neither does he. Seth wow its one of those lovely myths that we will never know whether it was true or not i mean, thank god no ones got footage. [ laughter ] seth how is it for you now, i mean, obviously youve been doing this for a long time how have your fans how have the concerts changed 20, 25 years into doing this i got young kids coming and ive become quite the thing for middleaged women. Seth uhhuh. Yeah. [ light laughter ] my last tour in america, we did a gig somewhere up north in the snow and it was there was, like, three women on the front row and it became apparent that fan. And the other two werent. [ laughter ] and i was halfway throh and im giving it the [ bleep ]. Seth yeah. And one of the women on thed [ laughter ] and she looks over, sees me looking at her she just goes [ laughter ] and i kind of playing her, going [ laughter ] seth what about you, you have three kids, is that right i do have three kids. Seth do they have a connection to your music well, its kind of a rule they got to kind of fake a little bit of interest in it seth okay. Even at a lower level, theyll go, yeah, yeah [ laughter ] they like they like the modern hiphop kanye and all that kind of thing seth okay, gotcha. Theyre kind of into it you know, theyve got to be into it because, you know, theyre going to benefit from it seth yeah. At some point [ laughter ] seth down the line yeah, this is sort of this is a big deal for them. Football club is manchester city, coming off an incredible season distance know there are two big clubs in manchester, Manchester United well, we dont mention the other one. Seth we dont mention the other one. We were talking about your kids, and how they sort of are you know, you asked them to be a little bit of fans what would happen if one of your kids wanted to be a fan of the other Manchester Team . [ laughter ] that would be tough i mean, id probably drive him as far away from my house as possible leave him on the motorway. [ laughter ] seth the point would come across these things get sorted out quite quickly in manchester. Its just like, you know, you say to, like, a baby, you dont know this yet. You dont know this yet. Thet nd of it thend of seth so you have had no trouble on that front. It no, no, theyre kind of bigis like all kids, theyve got the Attention Span of a small flea seth yeah. Whats the right age did you find when can they finally engage i brought my eldest son when he was about seven and, you know, kids now, theyre on social media so he brought his ipad to the match. Seth yeah. I was like, i dont think youre going to need that. And he ended up on it you know, because the match is too long, its like an hour and a half theyre kind of into it now though seth you released this album as an lp and then youve got another one coming why what made you im sorry, an ep right, no, an lp no, its an ep. Seth okay, gotcha. Wait a minute, im not [ light laughter ] so this is why release it in shorter chunks as opposed to a full album ive never done it before and i thought it was a bit too soon to put another album out. I had one out last year. And people these days, they dont listen to albu people say i really likeand thar track 8 on your album. Its like you know, it took me minutes to come up with the title. If im doing a gig, ill say this next song is called she taught me how to fly. There will be silence. Then you go, track 6 [ laughter ] and theyre like, oh, track 6. Woo track 6. Seth you started your own label now, so you own the music. Right . Yes seth that was obviously, knowing how nice it is to own the music, do you wish youd done anything differently in the beginning of your career im not sure you get that luxury of being a young band and going into your first record deal meeting and saying, oh, by the way, well own the masters someone will go, really . Yeah, this way go away now. [ laughter ] you know, you kind of got to go cap in hand to the record label and say, please buy our record but if you stick at it long enough, they eventually come back around to you mine is due to come back around to me in about four or five years which is why my children, if youre watching, should fake a bit more interest in this all of themthey sort of had s and they sold them, i believe, to Michael Jackson yeah, trust me, i will be selling mine to the highest bidder seth gotcha. [ laughter ] this is something that now you have, youre not going to keep forever. Youre just going to open up im going to sell well, what am i going to keep them for . So my kids can benefit from them [ light laughter ] no, no, im going to sell them im going to buy a plane im going to buy a yacht i want a chimp [ laughter ] seth you want a chimp . I want a chimp with a top hat. [ laughter ] and i want to buy a rocket seth a rocket, too a rocket. Then ill just leave the kids with the stuff from the 2000s. [ light laughter ] seth the chimp with the top hat, i have a question everybodys wondering this will the chimp with the top hat, will he be on your bus or will the band [ hell probably get his own bus [ laughter ] seth when you got that kind of money, you can why not i mean, hes a chimp in a top hat, hes going to have his own bus. Seth is it still exciting being out on the road . I love it seth yeah. Ive grown to love it more. I mean, in the days in the 90s, it was it was a bit more chaotic when it was all the all the band on the bus together and fighting and arguing and all that kind of thing. But now you grow into it, and i love it. And i particularly like touring america. Ive grown to love that. Bar the yawning with middleaged women and all that no, its great to come and play and its great to be in new york and all that seth i feel this is cliche but i do, as with anyone who ever interviews you or your brother, you have to ask will there ever be an oasis reunion are you asking me seth yeah. No. S i just had to i kind of i knew the answer. I shouldnt say i kind of knew the answer i knew the answer. Its an ongoing thing seth yeah. People that i have to ask you. No, you dont have to ask. Seth thats true i would like to retroactively say i asked you because i wanted to ask you [ laughter ] i mean, i when people do say, like an italian guy, so tell me, will there be an oasis reunion . I sincerely hope not seth thanks so much for the time no worries, man seth i really appreciate it. Great talking to you have a great tour. Thank you very much seth thank you so much Noel Gallagher, everybody. Well be right back with tommy orange [ cheers and applause door bell rings its open hey. This is amazing. With moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay . Even when i was there, i never knew when my symptoms would keep us apart. So i talked to my doctor about humira. I learned humira can help get, and keep uc under control when other medications havent worked well enough. And it hel when other medications havent worked well enough. O sytoms. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. Before treatment, get tested for tb. 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Home insurance trusted by more people than any other. Dont stop, i cant feel the heat yet dont let it catch you whoa i cant feel the heat [ cheers and applause seth our next guest is a very talented writer whose critically acclaimed debut novel, there there, is available in paperback please welcome to the show, tommy orange, everyone [ cheers and applause seth how are you im doing im nervous. Seth youre nervous . You have no reason to bevous this novel was a finalist for the pulitzer many other awards. Of the most jarring things to your reality was president obama made a list of his favorite things of last year, and he put this book on the list. How quickly did you hear from people that that had happened . Id heard from my agent that he had the book, so i was sort of nervous about the idea that i wouldnt make it even though it seems presumptuous to think that i would make it. Seth right i knew it was a possibility, so when it happened i was pleasantly you know, i reference him in the book. Seth yeah. One of the characters says, im as native as obama is black. Seth uhhuh. You know, the fact that he references it in his list was a big affirmation. Seth its Pretty Amazing that hes such a big deal that you hear he has your book. [ laughter ] like just word gets out that, like, hey, the book has made it to the prent [ laughter ] yes seth and you didnt im sorry you didnt make Donald Trumps fit that one . [ laughter ] seth it was the art of the this is an incredible book its sort of 12 different characters who sort of find their way to this powwow and was it difficult keeping sort of 12 very unique, very welldrawn characters separate in your writing process . Yes no, it was it was intensely difficult to why i took it on as a project, im not sure now its something i decided a long time ago to try to make everyone organically seem to come together at the end was was something that i struggled with a great deal and i had many more than 12 characters and so to find the ones that felt like they were true and real to the world that i knew in oakland, it was definitely a trying process. Seth and for your first novel, did you ever think to yourself maybe if id written a few more, i wouldnt have made the first one this hard . Like, this was were you like, this is such a rookie mistake to have done it like this theres a lot of rookie mistakes that i did in the novel that maybe if somebody would have warned me, i wouldnt have done it. The design by the time i got into the program was already too i was too deep in to change it. Seth you couldnt back out of it at that point. Yeah. Seth there there is based on a Gertrude Stein quote about oakland which is there is no there there. Explain what she was saying with the quote and why you wanted to make that the title of this book so i was researching other oakland authors to try to figure out who else talked about oakland in literature, and there was Gertrude Stein andondo jack london wrote about the wild and Gertrude Stein wrote about not writing about oakland so theres very little to go on as far as, like, how do i write about oakland . And but her quote was talking about how she left oakland after a childhood there and came back and the land that she grew up on was developed over and unrecognizable and i cant say that i was a big Gertrude Stein reader. Researching this book, and the residences for the native experience in regards to this sort of unrecognizable connection to land and a book about native people and how they experience their environment and what it means to be native in a city. It all just felt very potent for a title and for it took me a while to land at there there. But it all was just very layered residences within the native experiencetting this book in an urban setting, i think a lot of people when theyn wouldnt picture putting it in a city like oakland. But it, in the reading of the book, you realize that there is a Huge Community in urban centers especially in oakland. Its not even necessarily especially in oakland, its all major major cities in the country. One of the most one of the longest ones, longestrunning Indian Centers in the country is intertribal Friendship House in oakland. Theyll be celebrating their 65th anniversary in november and this is, you know, 65 years means generations of people who have been in cities and to have no film depiction or literature depiction exist or very few, very hard to find, and for there to be this ridiculous monolithic depiction that everyone adheres to and everyone sort of believes in about what it means and looks like to be native, it felt absurd to me because theres long histories and many familie been told. So this was part of it seth so not only being your first book, but taking on this burden of giving native people a depiction they havent had in literature much. Did you feel, was that an impressive burden on you as well did you feel the weight of that in your writing or were you liberated by the idea of, this is fresh ground that no ones covered . It was both it was feeling like there was openness to do whatever i wanted, because there was nothing to compare it to and it was very lonely, like, i dont know, you know, like i said when i was looking at oakland authors, similarly, when i was looking up or thinking about researching native authors in the way that native identity and experience is written about, there wasnt that much regarding city life. And a lot of reservation stuff and a lot of historical stuff. Seth do you ever again, this is such a wellreceived first novel, does that sort of up the pressure for your next book how are you feeling about that right now . Im feeling like i should just purposefully write a bad book for the next one. [ laughter ] seth yeah, like totally tank the next one on purpose. Yeah and then have a comeback for the third. Seth yeah, thats really smart. [ laughter ] ill be, like, nobody wants somebody to continue to succeed so well. Seth yeah. [ light laughter ] right now, everybodys really happy for you, but i feel like if the next one makes obamas list, even, like, obama would be a little mad at you. [ laughter ] like, whos this guy making backtoback lists i mean, has success been hard on you seth its been very hard thank you for asking [ laughter ] i feel like nobody ever asks and i really appreciate it [ laughter ] you you went on writers retreats when you i fewe a likel romantic idea, of like, oh, go away on a writers retreat would be so much fun was it did you find that rewarding . Well, my first writers retreat was not necessarily one that was, like, sanctioned by an organization i just looked on craigslist and found somebody who looked like it was an artist community, and this is when you need to trust craigslist, and i got a ride up there through craigslist also. [ light laughter ] seth so on craigslist it was like, hey, writers, you want to come on up was that basically it . There were like pictures of fields and, like, the language was very much like, this is conducive to artistic activity or whatever. And so i get up there and my ride share takes off seth yeah, theyre not a writer, theyre not allowed to stay i was just paying them to ride up there. This is in oregon, south oregon, southern oregon. And i walk up to the front door and i see emblazoned in woodengraved fire, jesus on the side of the door seth yeah. And im like, this is not an artists commune seth were you like, oh, craigslist [ laughter ] but i was raised evangelical christian, so something felt sort of wrong and right about it at the same time seth yeah. And, you know, i spent that whole summer hiding in the room that i rented. And i was working ten miles away in ashland, oregon, for a newage company who hired me the guy hired me because im native american and he had he was being visited by an indian in his dreams to bring back the ghost dance. Seth oh, wow it was this whole crazy summer seth that worked out great for you. [ laughter ] i was shipping out i was being paid to ship out aura sprays and spiritual stones and newage novels and cds of native american flutes and stuff like that seth wow youve come a long way [ light laughter ] i think its very safe to say. Thanks so much for making it here tonightbook fantastic i really appreciate talking to you. Thank you seth thank you so much tommy orange, everybody. There there is available in paperback. Well be right back. [ cheers and applause limu emu doug look limu. A civilian buying a new car. Lets go. Limus right. Liberty mutual can save you money by customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. Oh. Yeah, ive been a customer for years. Huh. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Gym bod. Admiring jims bod. Sweet bachelor pad bod. Rockin that dad bod. Not too loose, not too tight. 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