The House Foreign Affairs committee Michael Mccaul. These are your candidates brennan plus South Carolina is this weekends pit stop on the 2020 democratic president ial campaign trail. We met up with vermont senator Bernie Sanders. He was just doing a limited strike. Oh, just a limited strike. Oh, im sorry. I just didnt know that its okay to attack another country with bombs just a limited strike. Thats an act of warfare. Brennan and our ed okeefe talked to california senator Kamala Harris. Plus well have political analysis on the news of the week all ahead on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nation. Weve got a lot to get to today. We will begin with Vice President mass pike. Mr. Vice president , good to see you. Good morning. Morning, margaret. Brennan a lot to talk to you about on iran, but first i want to ask you about the president s announcement this morning that hes decided to delay the roundup of migrants. Why did the president announce this Law Enforcement operation . Well, first, lets recognize that we have a crisis on our southern border. We are on track this year to have more than 1 Million People come across our border, and for the First Time Ever the vast majority are families that are bringing children with them to exploit what we understand are loopholes in our asylum laws. I mean, if people come across our border, make a climb of asylum, we can detain them for only 20 day, and then theyre released into the United States. The truth is 90 of those claims are denied. And the vast majority never show up for their hearing, you know, a year, 18 months down the road. So the president is doing his job. We both took an oath to faithfully execute the laws of this country. He set into motion an internal Enforcement Effort to remove people who have been given due process of law, who have been adjudicated through a court order, ordered to be deported, but the president talking with Speaker Pelosi and other democrats made the decision to delay two weeks and to call on the congress once again to close if loopholes that human traffickers are using. Brennan is that going to happen in two weeks . Do you expect congress to pass that in two weeks . Honestly, the president believes it could happen in 15 minutes if democrats in congress would simply step up and agree to close the loopholes that we know human traffickers are using to exploit vulnerable families. Brennan why did the president speak to a Law Enforcement operation. He lost the element of surprise because he announced the Law Enforcement operation, and thats why many are are saying this is purely for political reasons the president would announce rounding up of migrants. Everyone that the president said were going to identify and arrest and deport have already gone through the legal process, but that being said, it is just essential that Congress Step up. The president declared National Emergency. Were already building a wall on the southern border. Well have 400 miles built by the end of next year. But we recognize this new crisis of families coming up the peninsula, taking the long and dangerous journey north at the hands of human traffickers, often subject to violence and worse on the journey north brennan i want to ask you about that. We only solve that by more humanitarian assistance for customs and Border Patrol who are doing their job every day and by closing the loopholes that human traffickers are doing. Brennan but the president is tweeting about rounding people up. Hes not tweeting about some of the conditions that have been described as crisis level in the facilities that the United States is running. Not across the border, not people who are out loose in the United States, but in u. S. Detention facilities. There have been details released over the past few days by lawyers who have gone down and looked, describing children sleeping on cold floors, filthy, lice outbreak, flu outbreaks, not in any way safe and sanitary conditions. Is that acceptable, and what is the white house going to do since, as you say, congress is doing nothing, what are you going to do . Margaret, its totally unacceptable, but the American People deserve to know that our dedicated customs and Border Patrol agents are literally being overwhelmed by hundreds of thousands of people coming across our border to take advantage of loopholes in our laws. Brennan so what are you going to do about it at the executive level if you say congress is not . What are you going to do . When the president declared National Emergency this year, we were asking congress in january to give us more bed space. Democrats in congress refused. Congress continues, although Speaker Pelosi has indicated a willingness to look at a bill that would provide more humanitarian assistance over the next two weeks, were going to look to get those resources as well as close loopholes, but look, we have asked for more bed space. Weve asked for more support. Our customs and Border Patrol agents are doing a job. But the system is overwhelmed. Brennan and the Homeland Security secretary has sat here in your spot and said this, crisis level, for a year. It is. It is. Brennan so how is the executive totally powerless to do anything about these unsafe, unsanitary conditions . Well, were doing a lot with what the congress has given us. But again, congress refused to increase the bed space in the last appropriations bill. They continue to delay efforts. Brennan so we just have to accept these conditions . No, absolutely not. Its one of the reasons why is president has taken the strong stand that hes taken on the crisis on our southern border. Thats why the president took the strong stand he took with mexico a few short weeks ago. He told the government in mexico, were going to start imposing tariffs starting 59 on all goods coming into the United States unless mexico steps up. Brennan but this is at the u. S. Border. I was in those negotiations with the mexican delegation and our team. As we speak, mexico is deploying 6,000 troops to their southern border, and for the First Time Ever, mexico is taking back 100 of Central Americans who apply for asylum in our country that will now remain in mexico. We think thats part of the solution, but ultimately closing loopholes, getting our dedicated customs and Border Patrol agents more resources to deal with this overwhelming humanitarian crisis. Thats how we address the issue. And the president and i are going to continue to stand strong, call on the congress to do their job. Its amazing to think that mexico has done more to secure our southern border in the last ten days than democrats in congress have con in done ine last ten years. The American People deserve better. Brennan many would say thep. People, the children deserve betterst the move. Say that i was down at one of the detention centers. Its heartbreaking to see what you see. Families that are in these detention centers. What exactly what were doing. Brennan you cant do anything more other than blame it on the democratic controlled house . No, you can demand that the congress do its job. Brennan why isnt the president tweeting about it . Hes tweeting about rounding people up. Hes not tweeting about babies without diapers and sleeping on cold floors, details that are horrific . Part of the way we stem this mass migration thats being driven by heartless human traffickers who are taking 5,000 a person to entice vulnerable families to come north, part of it is making clear that people will be deported. You know, in 2015, when president obama did a round of nationwide internal enforcement country, actually we saw illegal immigration at the southern border go down. Brennan i want to ask you about iran. We have to secure the border with a wall. We have to close the loopholes. Mexico has to implement the agreement that theyve made, but congress has got to step up. The president s going to continue to demand they do. Brennan cbs confirmed that the u. S. Has conducted Cyber Operations to hit facilities in iran linked to missile and rocket launches. Is this retaliation for shooting down the u. S. Drone . Margaret, as you know, we never comment on covert operations. Brennan has there been any retaliation for shooting down the u. S. Drone . As i said, i cant speak to that. What i can tell you is that as of tomorrow, we expect the president to announce an additional round of sanctions in response to irans downing of an american unmanned vehicle as well as in a very real sense in the wake of what was clearly irans actioinki two tankers in the strait. But look, what the president did on thursday was listen to all of his advisers and at the end of the day, the president concluded that seeing the potential of 150 People Killed in an american airstrike when an unmanned american vehicle had been downed in air space was not a proportional response. But iran should not iran should not confuse american restraint with a lack of american resolve. This president has made it clear, were going to protect American Forces in the region. Were going to protect american interests in the region. And the United States of america will never allow iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. Brennan iran says its going to increase its stockpile of enriched uranium. Is there a red line for the president . That could happen this week. Iran has announced that literally in matter of days theyre going to exceed the uranium enrichment limits within the iran nuclear deal, which in our judgment was one of the worst deals this country had ever entered into. You know, i was in the congress back in 2010 when on a bipartisan basis we were able to enact punishing sanctions on iran. Brennan and this is the u. S. Strategy at this point, to strangle irans economy. Its devastated its economy. But the bigger question is what is the strategy, because it only seems like irans lashing out. The region is more unstable. Theyre struggling here. What is the next step here . The American People deserve to know that congress on a bipartisan basis enacted sanctions. And from 2010 to 2012, even all the way to 2015, they were working. Irans economy was contracted. Brennan but is that to goal, just to strangle their economy . I thought the goal was to get to the negotiating table . What we want to do is stand with the iranian people, thousands of who gathered outside the white house on friday, and tens of thousands which took to the streetsz last year in communities across iran. We want to stand with them to see iran come forward, step into the future. Brennan how does childhood obesitying off the economy do that . Are you suggesting the u. S. Would do something to support people if they came up to try to throw over the regime . I thought the policy was no regime change . Since the green rev revolution in 2009, the United States has made it clear were with the iranian people. I thought the president s decision to refrain from a military strike when he learned it could cost 150 iranian lives, i hope that sends a message to the iranian people that while we stand firmly against the ayatollahs, we have the highest hopes for the iranian people. But it is time for iran to recognize that the United States of america will never allow them to obtain a nuclear weapon. That would be a threat to ourcoa threat to the abandoeir nle and end this reign of terror brennan i want to ask you about that. But for 40 years they have propagated terror. Theyre a leading state sponsor of terror in the world, those days must come to an end. America will continue to stand resolved with the people of iran for a Better Future for them. Brennan mr. Vice president , thank you very much for joining us. Thank you, margaret. Brennan calling off the applauded by some democrats, including House Speaker nancy pelosi. We traveled to columbia, southnd veont senator Bernie Sanders if the president made the right decision. Its like somebody setting ar and then putting it out. He helped create the crisis. Then he stopped the attacks. The idea were looking at a president of the United States who, number one, thinks that a war with iran is something that might be good for this country. Brennan he was just doing a limited strike. Oh, just a limited strike. Oh, well, im sorry. I just didnt know that its okay to simply attack another country with bombs just a limited strike. Thats an act of warfare. The war in iraq, margaret, was a disaster. I believe from the bottom of my heart that the a war with iran would be even worse, more loss of life, neverending war in that region, massive instability. Ly do everything i can, number one, to stop a war with iran. Lets remember what we learned in civics when we were kids. It is the United States congress under our constitution that has war making authority, not the president of the United States. If he attacks iran, in my view, that would be unconstitutional. Brennan so if you are commanderinchief, you will ask congress for permission before you engage in any kind of military action . No, look, there are some emergency situations. They understand. Brennan defensive actions. If youre attacked immediately, you have to respond. Nobody believes we are in that type of emergency situation with iran right now. So im going to do everything we can to stop that war. And what what the function of a president should be is to say to saudi arabia, which by the way, is a horrific dictatorship, a brutal dictatorship that kills dissident, that treats women as thirdclass citizens, our job is to say to saudi arabia, you know, were not following your lead. Youre going to have to sit down with iran. We will play a role. Work it out. The United States does not want to continue to lose men and women and trillions of dollars in neverending wars in the middle east. Work it out. Brennan well be back with more of our interview with vermontnders. Uhoh, looks like someones still nervous about buying a new house. Is it that obvious . Yes it is. You know, maybe youd worry less if you got geico to help with your homeowners insurance. I didnt know geico could helps with homeowners insurance. Yep, theyve been doing it for years. What are you doing . Big steve . Thanks, man. Brennan were back with more of our interview with vermont senator Bernie Sanders. According to the cbs news polling weve done, the cbs Battleground Tracker indicates your supporters are backing you without considering other candidates. How do you expand beyond that . Ill tell you how. I got to tell you, honestly, im feeling very good about this campaign. Its different. Last time around you have to win 51 of the vote. This time i dont believe anyones going to come close to 50 . So its a very different race with 24 candidates. I think we have a strong core of support out there offering young people, workingclass people who understand that to bring about real change in this country ultimately youre going to have to take on the powers that be. Brennan but to move beyond those young voters, the working class, dont you still need to expand and win over those blue dog democrats . Sure you do. Absolutely, absolutely. This is what i think i think that our message of guaranteeing health care to all people red fades with a significant majority of people who are going to vote democratic. I think making public colleges and universities tuition free and very substantially lowering student debt, which is an incredible burden on an entire generation of people, is going to win us a lot of support. I think my strong sense that a woman and not politicians, a woman has the right to control her own body, will resonate with many women. Our assistants on Immigration Reform and criminal justice reform, i think those ideas are going to bring in new voters. Brennan for those who might feel uncomfortable with the term socialism you dont think that will inhibit those voted centers. I think i have to do more work in explain what that means. What that means to me is carrying on the legacy of Franklin Delano roosevelt who said economic rights are human rights, and we have got to guarantee all americans fundamental economic rights, the right to a job that pays you a living wage, the right to health care, the right to education. We have expanded that to say that economic rights are human rights. That means a clean environment. So when democratic socialism in that sense to me is guaranteeing all of our people in the wealthiest country in the history of the world a decent retirement, a decent standard of living. Brennan arent you concerned that someone more familiar like joe biden will be more acceptable to those moderates . You have 24 candidates. I think every single one of them will tell you they have work to do, including joe biden. Joe has to defend his record. And i helped lead the opposition to the war in iraq, which in my view was the worst Foreign Policy blunder of modern history in this county. Joe voted for that. I led the opposition against a disastrous trade agreement which cost work centers this country goodpaying jobs. Joe voted for those. I voted against the deregulation of wall street, which in my view led to the great economic recession of 2008. Joe voted for that. Brennan congressman john lewis, a civil rights icon, said this week that joe bidens comments about in the past segregationists wasnt offensive. Why do you disagree . I think joe os the country an joe owes the country an apology on that. Its one thing to work with have fundamental disagreements with. Thats one thing. You do that. Thing to extol those relationships. You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system that oppressed and terrorized millions of African Americans in this country. Brennan but dont you think he believes those things . Yeah, if your question is do i think joe biden is a racist, absolutely not. Not for a second. Joe is a friend of mine. I like joe. I hope this campaign will be about the real issues facing the American People, and not ugly, you know, attacks. Brennan there are ice raids that its estimated some 2,000 people or not will be targeted. Is this appropriate . It is not appropriate. Brennan specifically on this point, the 2,000 who are supposed to be targeted havent should be up for court dates. Essentially theyre not following the asylum process, the Legal Standard when theyre here. So sd prosecuted . Should they be deported . I dont like this deportation thing at all. I think trump uses this as a beginning to do worse things to come. Trump things that he can win reelection, and this is his political game, its not an accident that he announced this at the same time he went through his announcement that he was seeking reelection. Brennan you think this is purely politically motivated . I do. Its not to say we dont have a serious problem, but there are ways for serious people to deal with serious immigration problems. It is a problem. But what he is doing, and this is his entire political strategy, is to divide the American People up. Brennan i appreciate you making time. Margaret, thank you very much for having me. I was just getting warmed up, margaret. Brennan i know. Our full interview with senator sanders can be found on our website, facethenation. Com. Well haveca e come back. I didnt have to call an ambulance. Because your afib didnt cause a blood clote to that led to a stroke. Not today. 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I dont believe that anyone should receive credit for a crisis of their own making. There is no question in my mind that the current occupant of the white house, President Trump, put in place a series of events that led to that event. Reporter how would a president harris fix the problem . Frankly, i believe we need to get back into the iran nuclear deal. I would strengthen it. I would include Ballistic Missile testing. I think we can strengthen what we do in terms of monitoring and verification of progress. But theres no question that a lot of negotiations with a great deal of depth took place over a long period of time. To reach that agreement. It was an agreement that was being complied with by all parties. Reporter where do you rank iran in terms of threats to the United States . I am on the Senate Intelligence committee. On a very consistent basis i receive classified briefings about the threats to our nations security. And on the list of potential threats, especially in terms of nuclear threats, north korea is of course on that list, and iran is on that list. And there are others. But we have to conduct ourselves in a way that we are smart about what we do. To have one goal only, which is ensuring that our nation is secure. It cannot be the goal to express ones ego and to engage in gamesmanship without much serious regard to the consequence. I think thats what weve seen in this president. Brennan and well have more of eds interview with senator Kamala Harris coming up. Dont go away. Welcome to fowler, indiana. One of the windiest places in america. And home to three bp wind farms. In the offchance the wind ever stops blowing here. The lights can keep on shining. Thanks to our natural gas. A smart partner to renewable energy. Its always ready when needed. Or. Not. At bp, we see possibilities everywhere. 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The current president of the United States has taken the word of the russian president over the word of the American Intelligence Community on the issue of the election in 2016. The current president of the United States takes the word of the north korean dictator over the word of the American Intelligence Community when it comes to an american student who was tortured and later died. The current president of the United States takes the word of a saudi prince over the word of the American Intelligence Community when it comes to a journalist who was assassinated, a journalist who has an american credential. So i would not do that. I trust the intelligence community. Reporter but you might have to meet with putin . But it would not be without an appropriate amount of, one, reading the briefings. Lets start there. Its sad that we even have to talk about that as being a requirement. It would not be without meeting with leaders in our department of state, meeting with a military leader to determine what is the smartest and best course of action for the United States. These are not just about ontiont has with the president of russia. It has to be based on what is in americas best interests, not selfinterest. Reporter lets talk about joe biden. Youve criticized him for praising his ability to work with people who have very different views. No, that wasnt my criticism. Reporter what was your criticism . I applaud any effort to Work Across Party Lines around common goals and common interests. Reporter what bothered you . Praising and coddling individuals who made it their life work and built their reputation off of segregation of the racists in the United States. Thats a problem. I would not be a member of the United States senate if those men that he praised had their wa rorter one of the things they did, and he inferred this, is they might have called someone like him when he was younger son. They might have called a black man boy. Thats been part of the issue for africanamericans. 06 course it is. Reporter is that offensive to you . We cannot be ignorant to the history of race in this country. Certainly anyone who is a leader should not be. That is a very loaded term, loaded with a history that includes extreme racism, violence, discrimination, prejudice, you name it. All of that, its a very loaded term. I think it is very important that we all who are leaders profess to be leaders, that we choose our words carefully, understanding the significance and the power of our words. Brennan thanks to ed for powering through some laryngitis there. You can see more of his interview with senator harris on cbs news platforms including cbsn and on our web site. We turn now to the chairman of the Armed Services committee, washington congressman adam smith. Good morning to you, mr. Chairman. Good morning. Hour are you . Brennan very well. You met with President Trump before we knew he was going to carry out and then call back the strike on iran. Were you surprised that it didnt happen . No. Based on the conversation we had, it was very clear the president was legitimately torn as to what the correct approach was and response. So it doesnt surprise me that he made a lastsecond decision. I think it was also clear that the administration, depending on who you talk to, theres a different policy. I think National Security adviser john bolton has one idea about what the policy in iran ought to be. I think the president has a different one. I think department of defense has a different one, as well. So theyre moving toward different objectives. I think that leads to the tension and the lastmember decision we all heard about. Brennan Cyber Command is now combat and command. I want to know if you were in any way briefed or have any knowledge about what cbs news has confirmed, which is that President Trump authorized Cyber Operations on irans missile and rocket systems, computers powering it . If i i couldnt talk about it. I cant talk about what classified actions are. Brennan would Something Like that be sufficient re back. What aree trying accomplish . We but the drone was part it was small piece of a much larger picture that. Is the maximumPressure Campaign that this administration has put on robb. Whats confuseing to me is when the president met with us, he emphasized the purpose of this campaign was to stop iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Weve heard previously from some other Administration People that its about irans malign activity in the region, and certainly there is plenty of it in syria and lebanon and yemen, but what is it about . What are you trying to accomplish . If you dont know, what is the plan. The president says he wants negotiations. Right. But why tear up the jcpoa. Brennan thats the nuclear accord. The nuclear accord. Because if your goal is to stop them from getting nuclear weapon, that agreement was working. Based on what ive heard them say. Brennan its not now, though, is what the iaea is starting to indicate, that the iran is ramping up. Because we walked away from it. So you do this maximum Pressure Campaign to cripple the iranian economy, where our own intelligence people told us, this is what iran would do. Even though we knew they were going to do it, but we didnt know how to respond. Its not getting them to the negotiating table. Theyre not there. Brennan i want to ask you about immigration. You heard my conversation with the Vice President , and he himself said that some of these conditions at u. S. Border facilities where children are being held are unacceptable. Absolutely. Brennan he said democrats wouldnt approve beds for these facilities. Thats not true. The problem look brennan wasnt that a Sticking Point for emergency funding . The main Sticking Point is the wall. Brennan in this round of emergency funding . In every negotiation weve had, that has been a major Sticking Point. Number, its the wall. Number, two democrats do not trust this president to implement a humane policy. Brennan will you vote for it . I dont know what it is. It depends on what is in it. Im not going to vote blindly for whatever they throw at us. I want too explain why. There is a crisis on the border. No question. The president s policies have contributed to that crisis. His maximum Pressure Campaign on u. S. Immigrants has brought a lot of people in Central America to think this is their last chance of ever getting into america. Then he cuts off the money thats helping Central America try to deal with the economic and criminal justice problems they have down there to make the situation worse. So the crisis is created. Then the proposed solution, mass deportation and building a wall . We need to build better facilities on the border, and if we could trust the president to do that, to not look, im chairman of the Armed Services committee. The department of defense just had about 6 billion diverted to build a wall. We cant trust this president with the money we give him to not use it for the wrong purposes. That has to be part of the negotiation, as well. Brennan you would only support something that was narrowly focused on just providing safe beds for children. Absolutely. Brennan or toothbrushes for children. There are a lot of different ways to get them into proper housing. Toothbrushes. Also there are a lot of private organizations that would take in these migrants while theyre awaiting their trial. Work with them. Find alternative solutions. And remember, a lot of us came as thenattorney general Jeff Sessions said, they want to make this as painful as possible so people wont comment. Its clear that was the wrong policy. Brennan i want to ask you about what the president also announced today, which is that there is a delay in this roundup of migrants who are here illegally and then not following the asylum process. So continuing to break the law. Do you think that people who dont show up for their court dates should be deported . I think we can implement a better policy. Under the obamat program that was put in place that like i said took high riverbanks who came in seeking asylum and put them into private housing, gave them ba show up. You said. As high a number as policy. You wouldnt have to be ripping families up and deporting them. So i think we need a better more humane policy to address what is legitimately a crisis. Whats going on with the children and the families at the border right now is unacceptable in this country. And we must work to fix it. Brennan unacceptable seems to be the word everyone agrees on. Nothing else, though. Congressman, thank you. Well be right back with the Top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs committee, texas congressman mike mccaul. As a Small Business owner, the one thing you learn pretty quickly, is that theres a lot to learn. Grow with google is here to help you with turning ideas into action. Putting your business on the map, connecting with customers, and getting the skills to use new tools. So, in case youre looking, weve put all the ways we can help in one place. Free training, tools, and Small Business resources are now available at google. Com grow brennan for some republicans perspective, we want to bring into the conversation, texas congressman Michael Mccaul. Good morning to you, nice to have you here on set in person. Thanks, margaret. Brennan weve been talking about iran but also immigration. And i want to ask you, because in your home state, as you know, there are what everyone seems to agree unacceptable conditions for children being detained there. What do you indead to do about sayssecauseheresi correct. We tried to fix this last congress with my bill and the chairmans. It was voted down by every democrat. It would have provided 25 bord, asylum laws some the magnet is not there for them to come in. And fix the docket system. It didnt work. So now we are in this congress. I think very little appetite on the other side to get anything done. But i think at a minimum, margaret, we have to pass humanitarian aid to take care of these children. That is the nation we are, and we have to take care of theseco. Brennan so should that be separated out from all the other things regarding Border Security that you just described . Id like to see it all together, but you know what, its my choice. On the minority side, vote up or down on a compassionate, humanitarian package, thats what were going to do. Its the right thing to do. Brennan and do you foresee that happening any time soon . You just heard congressman before you saying that things actually havent been detailed yet. You cant say what hell vote on because he didnt actually know whats going to be included in it. Well, im on on that committ, as well. Were looking through the draft to see whats in it. It has to be passed soon. Both dhs and hhs will run out of money at the end of this month. So this is real stuff. Theyre not going to have money to take care of these children and properly detain them. Brennan it sounds like they already dont. Huh . Brennan it sounds like there may not be adequate sanitary condition, unacceptable. I dont think its. I was in that state. Ive been down there throughout my 15 years in congress and before that as a federal prosecutor. This is the worst ive ever seen it. It has to be taken care of. Brennan i also want to ask you about iran. You have been speaking to the white house. Was it a surprise to you that the president pulled back from this military strike . To some extent, yes. Were invited, and i commend the president more bringing in all the National Security leaders in the congress, house senate, bipartisan, to discuss what should we do. It wasalmost like historically like the key to like the cuban missile crisis. I could hit this island and strike iran, but what would be the consequences if i did that. Are there other alternatives . One thought is if you kill iranians on iranian soil, you will only aggravate the situation. The iranians will rile up around the ayatollah, and become more antiamerican and they will unleash what they call the proxy war, the proxy being hezbollah and hamas and other terrorist organizations. I think what the president did was he exercised restraint. He was thoughtful and measured and said, you know, im going to take a step back right now. When he found out that 150 people would be killed, take a step back and see if there is another way to get this done. We know that since that time that Cyber Operations have been conducted to bring down the command and control of these missiles. Brennan did it occur . I should say its been reported. Thats how i have to say it. Its been reported. And thats a very effective warfare game that were playing against the iranians. So they are getting hit. Their Energy Sector is crippled by sanctions. Well introdiewses some more sanctions to iran to get them to that place where we can negotiate. I talked to secretary pompeo yesterday. Hes traveling to the region right now to meet with Coalition Partners, and then there is a National Security u. N. National security meeting on monday to talk about iran and condemn iran from actions in the strait of hormuz. Brennan do you think this creates a credibility problem for the president to so openly discuss his discomfort with carrying out military strikes . I guess you can say that. It almost shows a more Human Element to him. Its a side that we dont normally see. We usually see a president that hits back, whether it be a tweet or whatever. He hits back. And now you have iran hitting a u. S. Military asset and hes not hitting back. I know from that meeting he has no appetite to go to war in iran. He doesnt want to get dragged into a tenyear decade war in iran. He wants to do everything he can to exhaust every other possibility to stop that from happening. He wants iran to be nuclearfree. He thinks this is the best way to do it. Brennan the administration has been offering talks about free conditions to iran since the beginning of june publicly. There has been no bite thus far. Putting more and more sanctions on, doesnt that just add to the desperateness of iran . Dont you expect more instability . I think thats what we want. Brennan we want instability . We want them to be more desperate. We want them to have their economy crippled. We want them in a position where they have to negotiate with us and the Coalition Partners in the free world toward a better iran for their people without nuclear weapons. I think that is the ultimate goal, and i think this route as opposed to what president obama did where he lifted them up and gave them 150 billion in cash and reenergized their terror operation, i dont think that one worked too well. Brennan congressman, thank you for joining us. Thanks, margaret. Brennan well be back back in a moment with our political panel. Brennan joining us now for some political analysis, our jamal simmons, aest on till tv and the democratic strategist, and salena zito, columnnys for the washington examiner. Good to have both of you here. Youve within spending a lot of time in South Carolina. Yes. Brennan this past week. Its early day, but we know polling continues to show senator biden or Vice President biden senator, Vice President , name the title, hes probably had it. Brennan exactly. Hes been around a while, which may be a good thing or a bad thing demanding on who you talk. To but salena, is it a good thing or a bad thing for the democrats you spoke to . What are you hearing about biden when you were talking to people in South Carolina . The most interesting thing i heard from democrats in South Carolina, and i was all over the state, was they dont necessarily need to fall in love this time. They just need to coalesce around someone who they believe can win. In my interview, biden still was definitely the favorite among suburban men, among white men, among africanamericans. Suburban women, though, i saw an uptick for senator warren. A lot of suburban women found her message compelling and thought of her as a fighter. So that was sort of my overview of what i heard, but the thing i consistently heard is whoever is going to win, were going to get behind that person because we ultimately want someone who can beat donald trump. Brennan do you agree with that . I heard a little bit more people are asking a lot of questions. Vice President Biden is certainly someone who everyone is fond of. He seemed like he was everyones first choice. I also heard people saying they wanted to see more of him. It felt like he hadnt been down there enough. Brennan not enough retail. Not enough retail. He hadnt been in the state. They hadnt seen him and touched him. I heard a lot of good things about cory booker, a lot of good things about his team on the ground, that hes showing up all the time. And South Carolina is one of those states, they want to this a scratchnsniff. They want to see what youre really life. Brennan so a lot of coverage and controversy. We heard from other candidates criticism of j bidens remarks this past week. Regarding past work with segregationists is. That something that matters in the news cycle but also matters to voters, or were they kind of oblivious to it . At that point when i was there, this wasnt as big a deal. I heard a lot about it since the beginning since the end of last week, the beginning of this week. So heres the question that ive heard you know, when Fanny Lou Hamer said she was sick and tired of being sick and tired, she was talking about jim eastland and the Democratic Party in mississippi some to joe biden to reflect on that with fondness is what people didnt like. African americans understand about working with people who are sonistsr else they wouldnt be here anymore, but this idea that joe biden looks back at this era as something that was fond, something that seemed to strike a chord with particularly a couple older folks i talked to this week. My experience, i was down there just as this came out. It hadnt really penetrated the electorate yet. And they tend to view things from their perspective, what theyre experiencing. Sometimes the National News doesnt always hit them and it takes a couple weeks before they really start to discuss whether this is a problem on the local level. Brennan on the most granule level, for sure. So what was resonating. What are people looking for in in love. But what do they want. They want to win. Right . That is the utmost importance is that they want to win. The danger for a candidate is that when you are the candidate everyone thinks is going to win, the minute somebody else looks like theyre going to win, you can see shift. Its very quick. Whackamole. People rise and fall. In the last election when we had a republican incumbent, we saw this. People went from joe liebman and john edwards to john kerry and back to john kerry. I think we havent even had the very first debate question yet. A long way to people making final decisions. Brennan youre setting us up for this week with first round of debates. What about the two candidates we heard from on the program today . How are senators Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris doing in South Carolina . Kamala harris is struggling right now. She really has not resonated yet with the voters. Even though i think shes spent a decent amount of time down there along with cory booker. I wouldnt mean that discounts he just. She hasnt resonated yet. I do think the debates are going to be something that sorted of elevates some and then others start to fall down. Bernie sanders has always maintained his core supporters. His core supporters, like trump supporters, they dont move away from him. Brennan even to senator warren . They might. It depends on who has the most president ial timber in the debate. Who sort of stands out and seems as though they can bring not just their supporters there, but also broaden their appeal to other voters. Kamala harris was i think she had really good performances this week at the fish fry and at the South Carolina dinner last night. I hear a lot of people saying on twitter and people ive talked to i trust, they really are very happy know, Pete Buttigieg has a line about joe biden that he wants to take us back to the twenty teens. Bernie sanders wants to take us back to the 19 teens like eugene dense. I dont know that will help him with the older voters who are the ones he needs to grow with. Hes good with the young folks. But older voters who know what socialism, its talking about socialism the way to get them to come over to Bernie Sanders . I just dont see it. Brennan salena, you also are tracking President Trumps reelection bid here. Did this stand off, stand down with iran and on the migrants affect him . Willt . Is that part of a strategy in. I dont think it impacts him. Heres why. A lot of this new coalition, this sort of conservative populist coalition is less about having hawks in it and more about people i dont know if they call them doves, but people that were very fed up with the establishment in the republican party, that everything sort of in their minds led to war or led to confrontation. Brennan uhhuh. So among misbase, the majority of his base, this was a good move for him. I also on his base, i think its really, really important that something gets done on the border, because those images are just inhumane. Just inhumane. Brennan well be right back. Like viola. When she was diagnosed with breast cancer, her team at ctca created a Personalized Care plan that treated her cancer and strengthened her spirit. So viola could focus on her future. Their future. This is how we inspire hope. This is how we heal. Cancer Treatment Centers of america. Appointments available now. Cancer Treatment Centers of america. Welcome to fowler, indiana. 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