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Plus, democrats face off against democrats. [overlapping speakers] i am the only candidate here who has passed a law protecting a womans right of reproductive health. Hey, guys you know what . America does not want to witness a food fight. They want to know how were going to put food on their table. Brennan well talk with two president ial hopefuls who took the stage. Minnesota senator Amy Klobuchar and former texas congressman beto orourke, all that coming up on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nation. We begin today with cbs News White House correspondent who is in seoul, south korea where she has been covering the president s historic visit to north korea. Good morning, margaret. The suspense over whether President Trump and north korean dictator kim jongun would meet quickly turned into frenzy over a historic episode that lasted much longer than expected. In fact, even President Trump admitted he was surprised the meeting happened at all. President trump and kim walked toward each other from opposite sides of the joint security area in the dmz. The demilitarized border zone that separates north and south korea. After a handshake, mr. Trump became the first u. S. Sitting president to cross over the line of demarcation into north korea, something he said he was proud to do. Then the two leaders met for nearly one hour and it all came about because of a tweet President Trump sent yesterday, inviting kim to the dmz to say hello and shake hands. Kim said he was surprised at the gesture and by the president s willingness to see him there. President trump described the meeting as strong and solid and said negotiating teams would be meeting in the next two or three weeks to start crafting a deal for pyongyang to give up its Nuclear Weapons. He also said he would invite kim to the white house, but did not provide a time frame for when. Margaret . Brennan in seoul. We go now to some analysis on this mornings events. Jean lee is director of the korea center at the Wilson Center and mike morales a former acting director of the cia and National Security contributor. Mike, we know the president s National Security team was opposed to this. Did the meeting strengthen or weaken the u. S. Position . Margaret, two different perspectives here i think. One is that a negotiated solution is the only solution to this problem. There isnt a military option. Theres not a covert action option. So getting back to talks with the North Koreans is important, and i think that g thing. The second perspective, though, is this comes at a very high cost. This gives kim jongun a lot of legitimacy. This is gold for him politically at home and in the world. And secondly this is going to weaken sanctions enforcement against north korea because if youre another country, youre going to say to yourself, myed y a price. Theyre now getting along. Youre going to step back a little bit. Were paying a price for this and it cant go on forever, but lets see if we can get something out of these negotiations. Brennan youve lived and worked in north korea. What does this do for kim jongun at home . Is he actually under much pressure to get things done . He is and thats a very important point. Its so hard for us to tell whats happening inside north korea because they do such a good job of keeping us out and of framing the narrative of north korea, but the fact is it is an extremely poor country and we may not get that sense when we see hes pouring so much money into Nuclear Weapons, these military parades and everything looks so organized and he looks so modern, but they have an estimated gdp per person, per year, that is more than along the lines of congo or some of the poorest countries in africa. This is a country that is suffering and he knows that. I do think he needs this and he wants this so for me, it was only a matter of time that he would start he and President Trump would start putting out feelers to get back to these nuclear negotiations. And there was a loss of faith after hanoi. Hes looking for a chance to get back to that negotiating table. Brennan but mike, even though there may be that pressure on kim jongun and Food Shortages even, hes still charging ahead with his nuclear program. So two pieces to that. One is hes still making material, hes still adding to the nuclear stockpile, but hes not Testing Nuclear weapons and hes not testing missiles. We know he has Nuclear Weapons. We know he has icbms capable of states, but one thing he has not demonstrated is the ability to mate those two together and he needs to test in order to convince himself that we can do that, let alone us. So the fact that hes holding back on that is important. But the stockpile continues to grow. Brennan and youve been watching some of what kim jongun is doing in the region. Hes been meeting with vladimir putin. Hes been meeting with xi jinping. He has some powerful friends other than the United States right now. So how much leverage does the u. S. Have here . In fact, russia and china did support the latest round of u. N. Security Council Sanctions that have been such a chokehold on north koreas economy, and i think that was a major blow to north korea and so he was going to putin and to xi to see if he could get some sanctions relief. It doesnt sound like he got what he needed. And so in that sense, he is trying to tell his people a homeook we do meingd relationship, th mean that if he does continue to build those relationships with putin and xi, it does take away from the leverage that President Trump has. Its something that we have to watch closely, the way that kim jongun is very savvily playing all these different relationships in the region. Brennan and mike, it seems like the u. S. Strategy has been to try to separate kim jongun from some of his more hardline, oldschool advisors. The idea that he is so unique and President Trump is so unique that you could get this impossible deal, even though the u. S. Intelligence Community Says hes not going to give up his nukes. What are the odds on this . So i dont think theres any way hes going to give up the entire program. I think the only possibility is significant limits on the number of Nuclear Weapons and the missile program, probably the distance that missiles can fly. Thats the best we can hope for. We should push for the whole thing, but the best we can hope for is limits. Brennan containment . Containment. Brennan thank you very much. We turn now to larry kudlow the National Economic Council Director who joins us this morning from connecticut. Larry, good to have you here. The president said hes not increasing tariffs on china and hes allowing American Companies to do business with huawei that throws that tech firm a lifeline. What did the u. S. Get for these concessions . Well, lets first of all, the talks are going to restart. I thinkthets a very big deal right there. They are going to restart. Look, regarding the huawei story, let me just try to clarify that. There will be sales from American Companies, but only in the sense of a general merchandise, things that are available in other places around the world. Anything to do with National Security concerns will not receive a new license from the Commerce Department. I think thats very important. I think people have to understand that. Stuff thats generally available will be will be probably getting a temporary license from the Commerce Department. Well see how far that goes. Second point is we are hoping and expecting that china will engage in largescale purchases of American Farm products and farm services. As the talks continue, the talks may not be ending. The talks may not even be solved. But the president believes that china will begin to purchase american agriculture and thats going to be a big boost to our farmers and that will be a goodfaith show that these are serious talks and negotiations. Brennan on those purchases that you say might happen, in the meantime, the existing tariffs still stay in place . So that means the retaliatory tariffs are, too. And even with this announcement of china potentially buying more product, according to the usda, that market for soybean farmers wont recover until 2026 or 2027. Theyre losing markets the longer this goes on so how much damage can america stomach . Well, look that may be. I dont want to forecast that. Well see if china steps in to fill the void. Our farmers have been terrific. Theyre patriots, they support the president s dealings with china. Strongest president weve ever had in u. S. China relations. Chinas problems, you know, i. P. Theft, forced the transfers of technology, problems with getting into cloud services, problems with tariffs, problems with nontariff barriers, all these things are going to have to be addressed and thats the only way it will helphes a verg relationship, margaret, as you may know. That has to be fixed. Its not going to be they have many more remedies and correctives to make and thats what President Trump said in his News Conference and elsewhere in this recent trip to japan. Now, having said that, with respect to the farmers, we are doing the best we can. We are providing shortterm assistance to keep them going and try to fill the void until we can get Better International markets. The farmers themselves, the farm groups, theyve been great patriots and we celebrate their support to make americas overall economy very, very strong. And lets see if the chinese make good on this promise. That will have a bearing. The president said on tariffs, let me make this point, no additional tariffs for now. Ina delivers on an early to seef agriculture promise, lets call it an early harvest, but that may be up for grabs. We will see. No one can predict with certainty. Brennan but last time, my understanding is the talks were ff a perceived promise to change its laws. So is there any indication from china that they will make the kind of structural change to their own laws to make good on some of the changes you want to see happen on i. P. , etc. . Youre right about the problem and they did pull back from some agreements we thought we had and by the by that also includes all manner of enforcement to whatever conditions are made so youre quite right. Can i sit here and say its all going to work out . No. We dont know that. The teams are going to start negotiating in earnest, but we dont know. This is just a new first step. I always think its better to talk than not to talk. We have no assurances and again, the president himself said several times we want quality talks. Theres no timeline here. The issue is quality, not speed. So we will see if china delivers on some of these significant reforms. Brennan marco rubio has been raising concerns, though, about what the president just agreed to do with huawei, that tech firm. He said if President Trump has bargained away recent restrictions on huawei, then the u. S. Congress will put them back in via legislation. Isnt this undercutting the president s negotiation and why would the u. S. Allow American Companies to do business with a firm that is working on surveillance and a National Security threat . Well, look again, i think senator rubios concerned about all manner o National Security are correct, theyre proper concerns. And i hope that when President Trump comes back, that he and others of us will be able to persuade senator rubio that there will that any additional licensing from the Commerce Department to American Companies will be for what we call general merchandise, not National Security sensitive, general merchandise meaning, you know, various chips and software and other services that are available all around the world, not specific to the u. S. But the president s not backing off on the National Security concerns. We understand the huge risks regarding huawei and let me say, the president several times, we will fully address huawei, but not until the end of the trade talks. In other words, that will come last and that will deal, you know, with much larger issues concerning the longterm future with huawei. So thats whats happening now is simply a loosening up for general merchandise, maybe some additional licenses from commerce, it is not the last word. The last word is not going to come until the very end of the talks. This is a complicated matter so i hope well be able to persuade senator rubio and others that we are as cautious and concerned as they are. Brennan all right. Larry kudlow, thank you so much. Well be back in one minute with a lot more face the nation. Dont go away. Cookie cutter por. Fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. Some only call when they have something to sell. Fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. And while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. Fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other money managers. Fisher investments. Clearly better money management. 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Theres been a number of them now and this time, you just cant look at this as going over and talking to your dictator next door and bringing them a hotdish over the fence. Theres a lot more. And what this is about is making sure that there are measurable results, that we have a plan when we go in there and we just havent seen that. In fact, just in may, you saw north korea launch another missile into the sea in violation of the u. N. Resolution and to me, you need to have a plan to denuclearize that peninsula or at least reduce those weapons immediately and i dont see that happening yet. But yet, we know that talks are good, but i just dont see this president , when you look at what happened in iran, when he got out of that agreement and we were 10 minutes away from war, and a month away from them blowing the caps when it comes to uranium, enriching uranium, when you look what he did with the Nuclear Agreement with russia. He is constantly climate change, pulling us back from working with our allies to try to solve these problems. Brennan you said there, north korea would denuclearize or at least need to red arsenal. Would you accept them as a Nuclear Power . No, i would not. What im saying is you need to have steps and measures and you could start there and then, of course, you have dates and you have times and a focus and a plan, but that is not what he does. He goes and gets a letter and says i love the guy, right in the face of the family who lost their son otto. I am concerned because of the track record here. Talk is good, but if all it is is talk, it doesnt produce anything for National Security for america and interNational Security for our allies. Brennan as commanderinchief, what would you do differently with china . What leverage would you use to get them to capitulate on trade . I would first acknowledge to the American People very clearly the problem here. The surveillance, the intellectual property violations, theyre basically stealing our blueprints. What they have done when it comes to subsidizing industries and manipulating their currency. The second thing i would do is to work with our allies and to push them and i wouldnt just walk away from every negotiating table, months goes by. I think you have to keep at it, methodically. And mostly, i wouldnt have used the approach theyve used. Targeted tariffs. They have used basically a meat cleaver or maybe we should call it a tweet cleaver when it comes to how theyre dealing with these other countries. And when you talked to larry kudlow, and he talked about the patriotism of our farmers. Im in a heavy ag state. Iowa, my neighbor is a heavy ag state. North dakota. Ive talked to farmers in those areas and what they tell me is theyre not going to get that soybean market back in one year because that market has gone to farmers in other countries and so thats why theres an urgency to this. When we have an 891 billion trade deficit, which is the worst that weve seen, you cant just keep talking about it. You actually have to get it done. Brennan you heard me ask larry kudlow about republican senators concerns about huawei. You are a sitting senator. Would you vote to ban American Companies from doing business with them . I dont think we should be doing business with them right now. And i agree with my colleagues, not just senator rubio, but also senator warner, mark warner, the ranking on the intelligence committee, that this is a major Security Risk for america. You know, you look at everything from china to russia, using cyber against us. It is the modern warfare. We certainly know that from our elections in 2016. They may not use tanks or missiles, but they can go after our electric grid, they can go after our security in a very different way. And so i dont know why he would just give that away right now. I would think that he would put firm, Firm Standards in place as part of any agreement with china and thats not what we have. We just have another promise that theyre going to buy american agriculture. Okay thats positive, but i wouldnt give it up in the shortterm gain for the long term where we need to protect our security and our cybersecurity. Brennan i want to ask you about the debates this week. One question to many was whether their Healthcare Plan would cover undocumented immigrants. Would your plan do that . As part of comprehensive Immigration Reform, we must move forward on making sure that people have healthcare. California just did that with medicaid and i am supportive of that, but i think on the national basis, as we go forward, get immediate healthcare for people yes, but as part of making this actually happen, you need comprehensive Immigration Reform and one thing that was missing from the nbc debate actually that i hope we can discuss is that we have a humanitarian crisis at the border right now, but we also did not talk about the other immigrants that are here, the people who are here on temporary legal status. Weve got hundreds of thousands of people that are legally here that are at risk or are being deported that work in our Nursing Homes and our hospitals. We have got dreamers, 2 million of them that came to this country through no fault of their own and are a major part of our economy. So we need to have an economic discussion about this as well as a border discussion and thats why i want to move forward as president with comprehensive Immigration Reform. Brennan so that was a yes, that your Healthcare Plan would cover . That was a yes for immediate healthcare needs, but as far as other benefits i think that has got to be a part of the discussion of comprehensive Immigration Reform. Brennan okay because they were excluded from the existing obamacare law. That is correct yes. Brennan so you are i mean, you call yourself a pragmatist. Youre in many ways perceived as a moderate from the midwest. Do you feel sometimes that the rest of the party is leaving you behind . That its gone so progressive . Im thinking the issues youre focused here on, for instance, medicare for all, and i want universal healthcare, i just got a different way to get there. And, as i said, in the debate, i dont think that we should take away peoples right to their private insurance and kick half of america off of their private insurance. I think there is a better way to do this and thats strengthening obamacare, taking on the pharmaceuticals. On free college for all, i made it very clear. I want to expand pell grants, make it easier for kids to go to college, but i dont think and thats what some of these plans do that we should be using taxpayer money to finance rich kids to go to college. Many of our public universities, Something Like 10 of the kids come from families that make over 200,000 a year. And i think that taxpayer money is better used to get Free Community college, to help kids get certifications when those are some of the fastestgrowing degreed just because we hav jobs nation. To me, this is a legitimate policy argument about how we help people afford college, help them pay off their loans, make bold policy changes when this president is not doing, but i think theres room in our party for a legitimate debate. I think its important to realize theres a lot more that unifies us than there is that divides us. And that divide right now is with the American People and the president. He promised pharmaceutical prices going down, theyre gone up. Hes promised them infrastructure, hes done nothing. He promised them a safer world when he got out of the iranian world. It is not safer. Thats the case we need to make. Brennan well look for you on that next debate stage. Thank you very much senator klobuchar. Im very much looking forward to it. Brennan well be back in a moment. Thank you is what we say. But we mean so much more. We mean how can we help . We mean what can we do . We mean its our turn. To do our part. To serve you, for all youve done to serve us. The one thing you learn pretty as a small bquickly,owner, is that theres a lot to learn. Grow with google is here to help you with turning ideas into action. Putting your business on the map, connecting with customers, and getting the skills to use new tools. So, in case youre looking, weve put all the ways we can help in one place. Free training, tools, and Small Business resources are now available at google. 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They have removed none of their Nuclear Weapons or their potential to deliver them to the United States. And, in fact, in contravention of the united nations, they have launched other missiles, flouting the diplomacy that this president has attempted so far. So weve added legitimacy to kim jongun. Brennan but it sounds like youre saying you would continue to talk to kim jongun . I want to make sure we produce diplomatic, peaceful, nonviolent negotiations to resolve the challenges that we face on the korean peninsula, to ensure that we denuclearize that area. Brennan we know from your team that you plan to go to mexico today. What is the purpose of that visit . Im going over to Ciudad Juarez our sister city to meet with Asylum Seekers who have traveled hundreds, in some cases thousands of miles, fleeing the deadliest countries on the face of the planet, coming to this country, trying to follow our asylum laws and through a program that effectively shuts them out of this country and our laws, are forced to stay in Ciudad Juarez where they are preyed to criminal organizations with where they are penniless, where they are suffering and where too many feel they are forced to try to cross in between our ports of entry as we saw earlier this week, a picture of oscar and valeria who died tried to do that that. This inhumane policy is causing suffering and death and i want to call attention to what we are doing so going to Ciudad Juarez mexico and meeting with these Asylum Seekers is a great way for the American People to know what is being done in our name right now. Brennan so do you believe applr asylum froms shou other countries or from mexico . Yes. I think we should follow our own asylum laws that are on the books. Our obligations to those pple to whom we are connected by land and language and culture and for whom we have some responsibility given our involvement in the westerwestern hemisphere thats produced some of the challenges theyve faced that would cause a family to flee hundreds or thousands of miles to come here. So when we follow our own asylum laws, those people are safer, we live according to our traditions and in a program weve proposed a Family Case Management Program no family is separated. Theyre not detained in these Border Patrol stations. Brennan but thats if they cross into the United States. And to follow our own laws. Brennan what youre proposing is when they cros into the United States. Im asking if theyre applying as now from mexico or from a third country, that is one of the proposed changes also to Immigration Law now. Yes, i think that Asylum Seekers should be able to apply from their home country. So from honduras or guatemala or el salvador to the United States wiving to ke that journey by foot in the first place. It will ensure that they are following our laws and it will guarantee greater safety and reduce suffering for them. Brennan we are just about a month out from the next debate. During the one this week you were hit by your colleague from texas, Julian Castro who said you need to do your homework. Are you going to change your strategy for the next debate . What im going to do is get across what i think we can do as a country and on the particular issue that youre referring to on immigration, under my administration, day 1, we are going to stop family administration. Were going to reunite those families who have been separated. Were going to make sure that no one who is fleeing persecution or violence is criminally prosecuted and were going to follow what i was doing in congress where we help to introduce legislation that would stop this and rewrite section 1325 of u. S. Code to make sure that those families who are at their most desperate and vulnerable moment do not face further fear when they get to the United States and then in addition, were going to rewrite our Immigration Laws from the ground up. The 9 million green card holders in this country, were going to waive their citizenship fees so they can contribute even more to our success and our greatness. Brennan youll be reliant on bending republicans to your will on that. Well, im not sure that im willing to concede that point. There are a lot of great candidates running for congressional seats and u. S. Senate seats across this country. 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Brennan we know President Trump did meet with president erdogan and he seems to have the impression that President Trump said there will not be u. S. Sanctions if turkey goes ahead and buys russianade we systems. Is that the case . Well, im in turkey, and its being reported in the turkish media that president erdogan is claiming that President Trump in their discussions told turkey that if you activate this 400 well find a way around sanctions. I doubt if that conversation occurred. Its impossible under our law, if turkey buys the missile battery they bought from the russians, sanctions would be required under law and we also a couple of days ago passed legislation banning the sale of the f35 to turkey. If they activate the russian s400 missile battery. Theres no way were going to transfer to turkey the f35 technology and let them buy a Russian Missile battery at the same time. It would compromise our platform. Brennan but youre not saying sanctions are inevitable at this point . You see a way around them, some kind of compromise . I hope so, but under our law, there is no discretion. If they activate the s400 Russian Missile battery, they will be sanctioned under u. S. Law and the f35 technology cannot be transferred to turkey. We need to find a way out of this dilemma. Brennan im sure you saw that video of president putin and trump seeming to laugh when asked about election meddling. Did that concern you . What concerns me is are we going to be ready for their meddling next time . Ive seen this administration up their game. In 2018, we had a Midterm Election without a whole lot of interference because were upping our game so to speak. So it was clearly a joke. Brennan but last time you were on this program you said russia did not learn its lesson so when you see regarding an upcoming election, doesnt that counter everything in terms of a hard line the rest of the National Security community is trying to send . Im not sure rebuking putin in front of a bunch of cameras does much good. What hurts him is when you hit him in the pocketbook, his oligarch friends are having a hard time sending their money around the world. We put sanctions on the russian economy particularly in the energy area, and its biting russia so actions mean more than anything in this part of the world. Brennan do you believe that President Trump embracing Saudi Crown Prince undermines the u. S. Credibility on human rights . I dont think it helps. I led the effort to sanction the crown prince. Theres no doubt in my mind that he ordered the killing of mr. Khasoggi, that he knew about it, that hes done things like that to other people. And that hes been a Disruptive Force throughout the region so im in a completely different place when it comes to mbs. Brennan here at home, i know youve been working with the president s soninlaw, Jared Kushner and other democrats as well to find some compromise around asylum laws. The president said he will go through with rounding up migrants after the july 4th holiday. Do you see any legislative compromise . Yes, i do. I spent about an hour with Speaker Pelosi and heres the compromise. Well start turning the aid back on to Central America. It is in our National Security interest to help the triangle, more than triangle nations with their economy, with their rule of law problems, but if you dont turn off the magnets that attract people, which is our asylum laws, if you dont reform them, theyll keep coming. All you have to do is to put one foot on the United States soil if youre from Central America with a small child, youre not going to get deported. Brennan on that question of children, it was that image of the father who drownng with his 2yearold daughter that really captured a lot of attention this week. That was his child. That was not a tool to exploit the asylum system. By warning that asylum is going to get tougher and saying the border might close, doesnt that incentivize people to take the risk in the first place . Good question. Heres what i think and i dont know and it does break your heart to see that image and the thought that went into it. Heres what i think the father believed. If we can just make it across the rio grande and i can put one foot in america, my child and myself are going to be in america and were not going to get sent back. I would like that asylum claim to be made in mexico at a u. N. Center so that this father doesnt have to risk him and his child drowning in the future. Asylum claims should be made in the home country or in a facility in mexico because the reason he tried to go across the river, he was told by people in Central America, if you can put one foot on american soil, youre home free. And this is a tragic result of that policy. Brennan i want to quickly ask you about your friend joe biden. How do you think he performed in the democratic debate this week . Hes got to up his game. But anybody that knows joe biden, theres not a racist bone in his body. Thats not a cliche. Thats a reality. But the narrative is that maybe its not his time and that hes not up to the task. I think you will underestimate joe biden at your own peril. I watched the debate. The policy options being presented to the country by the leading contenders on the democratic side are their biggest problem. Pretty liberal, pretty extreme. But when it comes to joe biden i think the next debate hes got to change the narrative and one thini will say about Kamala Harris and i said this before. Shes got game. She is very talented. Shes very smart. And shell be a force to b reckoned with. Brennan senator graham, thank you very much for your time. Well be right back with more from our political panel. Brennan its time now for some political analysis. Edward wong is a Diplomatic Correspondent at the new york times. Shannon pettypiece is a white house president of bloomberg news. Ramirramesh ponnuru is a Senior Editor at Bloomberg Opinion and Antjuan Seawright is a political strategist. Thank you for joining up. This was a big week for you and fellow democrats in terms of the first round out of the debates. What is your takeaway. What needs to change between now and when they take the stage in july . I think our candidates have to realize that they are running for our partys nomination and not against each other. And i think thats such an important point because what we saw during debate wasamonf our candidates, but i think the focus was lost on the big picture and that is we have a race to run next year against the republicans. I also think that we have to again probably sing a little louder on the quality of life issues, like healthcare, like the economy, like housing, all the things that democratic votes are hungry and thirsty for and independent thinkers, independent voters and even some of those voters who may have voted for the president in 16, but voted for democrats in 2018. Brennan and what you just heard from senator graham was he characterized the debate stage as too extreme. For those who are those tryers, people in the middle, maybe even some republicans who arent comfortable with President Trump, is there anyone yet who they feel comfortable voting for on the stage . Well, i think that the democrats right now, the candidates are not concentrating on swing voters. Theyre not concentrating certainly on persuadable republicans and the process of winning the primaries may be pushing them too far to the left on some issues. Look i think the Trump Reelection Campaign had a very good week, not because of anything the president did, but the frontrunner joe biden got dinged in the debates. Three of his top rivals came out, outlining the type of Health Insurance that 200 million americans relied on. They are in a race to the left on immigration. All of these things are going to make people who dont necessarily love everything that the president does think i dont know if im comfortable with this other side. But margaret to one point, we saw very few people between the two nights quote unquote play with this idea of what the republicans and some of the right wing media call liberal. What we saw i think was a real center left type of approach to how we govern and what a policy agenda looks like. Theres only two people on wednesday night who raised their hand for medicare for all, and i think it may have been two on thursday night so this idea that the party is driving to the left is a false narrative, one that the republicans are pushing because they know it playsually to their base, but two, smoin the media are pushing this narrative because its good for political conversation. That does not make it true. Three of the top candidates are all for outlining this kind of private Health Insurance that most americans rely on. Brennan shannon, pick it up there. Do you see it as a good week for the Trump Reelection Campaign . Everything went exactly as the campaign had hoped it would and as they expected it would. Whether they have they have really gone to the left or not the Trump Campaign will use those moments to make it look like they moved to the left, whether swing voters are watching the debate or not they will cut moments from that debate and use them in campaign ads, that to them this was a Television Commercial against the democrats for their 2020 campaign. So it went exactly as they wanted and on the expectation point, they expected biden to be a bit off his game. Theyve been sort of talking about feeling like joe biden today isnt joe biden of 2012. They expected warren to be strong. Theyre concerned by her sort of authenticity and on message brand and kamala did catch some by surprise. Brennan one of the factors here for any big geopolitical calculations is whos going to be in the oval office after 2020. There is this perception that whether its kim jongun or leadership in iran that theyre waiting out President Trump. Is that factoring into this . I think with iran theyve been put in a difficult situation because the sanctions are hurting iran so they have wanted to try to hold out for a change of commanderinchief in 2020. Now, youre seeing them push back a little bit in the persian gulf because they think they might not be able to wait out the sanctions that long. Kim is a different position. I think he has Nuclear Weapons. He wants to be able to keep them and as long as he keeps trump talking in this sort of diplomatic sort s h weapons. Maybe trump eases up on sanctions, and then thats what kim wants. And thats what as we heard, that might be what the u. S. Needs in terms of pushing forward on diplomacy and maybe in the long run you ratchet back the tensions but right now, you do need a diplomatic opening. Brennan kim jongun has to look at this and say no president , but President Trump would take this level of risk of meeting with me . Right. Brennan so maybe theres a narrow window of opportunity, but you heard senator Amy Klobuchar on here say maybe he would just reduce the number of Nuclear Weapons. Thats different than full denuclearization. Hes kind of shopping for options . I think the stated policy is full denuclearization. I think what were seeing in this administration maybe in a future administration is there might have to be a path of acceptance of the fact that north korea is a Nuclear Power. Its unstated like with israel, but that these administrations will have to accept that and figure out how to deal with theu what former Vice President joe biden came out the day after the debate and said regarding his past record on forced busing. I want to be absolutely clear about my record and position on racial justice, including busing. I never, never, ever opposed voluntary busing. Brennan how big of a misstep was this truly . I dont know if it was a misstep, but i do think the Vice President and his team are going to have to make some adjustments going forward. Look, this country and our party has been shaped by the experiences of joe biden and Kamala Harris and we cant lose sight of that, but i also think we cant ignore on how the experiences of Kamala Harris and how shes been impacted by throughout her life, but i will also say that sometimes, a moment doesnt mean its transferable to several moments in the future, and i think thats what we all have to keep in mind. This was oneyf work on issues that have been pro civil rights and for the improvement of quality of life o get back focused to the big picture and that is quality of life issues on how we go forward. Brennan shannon, the issue racial issues, though, are coming up on the trump side of things, as well. Donald trump, jr. Sent out a tweet this week that questioned whether Kamala Harris was quote an american black. Right. It almost sounds reminiscent of the birther argument as many people have pointed out in 2016. And, of course, with an administration that does not have a great track record with race and has really worked to try to overcome the people, good people on both sides image, theyre trying to sell hard the economic argument about black unemployment, hispanic unemployment, criminal justice reform. But i do think they miss sometimes, with race its not always dollars and cents and its not always about we give you money and jobs. There is a moral sense here and a sense of self, too, that if you degrade people in that way, no matter what you can give them financially its not going to overcome that. Brennan do we need to hear from more republicans on this . Most of all the Democrat Competitors have come out in support of her. I dont think that republicans are afraid of having an argument about busing in the 1970s. Lets recall, busing brennan on this not terribly popular among black americans. Its bizarre that the democrats have latched on to this if theie trying to bring it back. On the republican side youve got the fundamental problem that youve got a presidency that is not especially sensitive on racial matters, not necessarily thinking about a demographic future with the changing racial composition of this country and Congressional Republicans who dont want to take it on. Thats the way its been for three years. Your question was about the brennan youre right. Im running out of time here so im running out of time here so ive got to take a break. Well be right back. Grow with google is here to help you with turning ideas into action. Putting your business on the map, connecting with customers, and getting the skills to use new tools. So, in case youre looking, weve put all the ways we can help in one place. Free training, tools, and Small Business resources are now available at google. Com grow its how we bring real hope to our Cancer Patients like viola. 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