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And the coverup. Though there was blood, too. That was the cover of the National Inquirer alleging that the father of senator ted cruz had been handing out communist propaganda before the killing of jfk. It was a stretch. But at the time, trump was running against cruz for the republican president ial nomination. Now, trump was already well on his way to becoming the partys nominee but ted cruz was still hanging on and refusing to leave the race much to trumps vexation. Once the inquirer came out with the conspiracy involving cruzs dad, donald trump wasted no time promoting it. His father with with lee harvey oswald. By the end of that day, may 3rd, ted cruz had dropped out of the race but not before responding to the allegations. Donalds source for this is the National Inquirer. The National Inquirer is Tabloid Trash but run by his good friend david the ceo who has endorsed him. The National Enquirer has become his hit piece. Ted cruz was talking about it on the campaign trail. Today was the second day of Witness Testimony in the trial of donald trump. The focus was the sam thing ted cruz highlighted years ago. The ways in which the National Enquirer helped donald trump in the 2016 campaign. David the former ceo of the enquirer testified that his tabloid would run negative stories about each of Donald Trumps primary opponents when ever they started to do well in the polls against trump. Stories like bungling surgeon ben carson left sponge in patients brain. That came after a poll showing ben carson leading trump for the first time. And there was shocking claims, ted cruz caught cheating with five secret mistresses. That came out after polls showed ted cruz ahead of donald trump. What is going down here wasnt even subtle. Trump was using the National Enquirer to smear his opponents and undermine their candidacies and the enquirer was more than willing to oblige. In court, this is how mr. Described that process. Michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on ted cruz. He would send me information about ted cruz or ben carson or marco rubio. That was the basis of our story and we would embellish it from there. Steinglass said you would said we would like to you to run a story on the political opponent. Who did you understand we to be referring to . Michael cohen always told me he was not part of the campaign so i assumed he was talking to mr. Trump. When he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. Trump. And the National Enquirer were by his own admission influencing the 2016 campaign at the direction of his lawyer. Then there was what prosecutors allege was doing behind the scene to help trumps campaign. Today prosecutors asked mr. About two negative stories about donald trump. Stories that the National Enquirer purchased the exclusive rights to and then sat on so the accusations against trump would not come out before the election. A process that is now known publicly as catch and kill. The first of these involved a doorman who alleged trump had fathered a love child with the housekeeper. The enquirer determined it untrue but bought anyway so it couldnt be sold to anyone else. Then there was Karen Mcdougal who alleged she had an affair with donald trump. The enquirer also bought the right to her story so she could not go public with it. And what we learned in court today is all of this behind the scenes maneuvering much light those bomb shell cover stories was for one express purpose. To help the Trump Campaign. Now that part of the deal where you were going to notify them so they could buy up negative information about mr. Trump, that part, did that part help the National Inquirer at a all . How was that going to boost sales at the National Enquirer . No. That didnt help. Steinglass, that part doesnt have a mutual benefit, the purpose of that component was to benefit the campaign. Am i understanding you right . That is right. The focus on how all of this benefited the Trump Campaign is important. The prosecution central argument this n this case, the reason they were able to charge donald trump with a felony is because they say trumps Hush Money Scheme was all about trying to cover up his criminal activity related to the 2016 election. Prosecutors today revealed that they are planning to rely on section 17, 152. The new york criminal code. Which prohibits any two or more persons from conspiring to promote or prevent the election of any public office. It is important to know it was not just about trump the man. It was about helping trump the candidate win the election. Gentlemen, thank you for joining me here. Im definitely out of my league when im talking about codes, Criminal Codes and new york law. So i defer to you here on exactly what transpired in the courtroom. Let me start with you in terms of the prosecution. This is at least one of the ways in which what donald trump has done here could be seen as a felony. Is that what you understood . Are we getting it it right . This is the first time the das case has come into focus. It was made clear through the testimony and a telling comment made by one of the prosecutors at a side bar this is not a case about falsifying Business Records. This is a case about the cover up of Uncharged Criminal Activity. And today, we learned what the Uncharged Criminal Activity is the das office is relying on. And really the core of it is that New York State election law statute. But it is a conspiracy between donald trump the defendant, david the National Enquirer and Michael Cohen to suppress stories with the purpose of that being to suppress the stories so he could win the election. And now we know what the felony is. Why it is that it has been bumped up to a felony. Because it was a falsification of Business Records for the purpose of committing this New York State election law. We keep saying election. I think it is important. It has not been fully articulated is with some of these stories or one of them. It was to protect his family. But what is being alleged here by the prosecution, this is was not about you or melania. This was about you the candidate. We went over them at the beginning of the segment. Not just to treat everybody to National Enquirer headlines but i think they made a good point. There is a history here of the enquirer acting in a political capacity. If you credit testimony, the question of substance is what can you do to help the campaign . He said i will be your eyes and ears. Why are you saying that but for no other reason to assist the president. He is killing stories. We also have bad stories about Hillary Clinton and ted cruz. So this was the machine. What did you make of testimony . Just as a witness . I wasnt in the courtroom. But from the transcript and the reporting that you have seen, how effective was he as a narrator . I think he is the case. Without david peckere, there is no case. He is the con dude between donald trump and the National Inquirer. This whole scheme rises and falls through Michael Cohen to donald trump and he is at the center of it and in a way, his testimony is almost blaise. We were doing this and that. But he was, the National Enquirer was an arm of the Trump Campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony. This doorman had an nda. David is the first witness. The most important witness. What questions do you have for him, given how thorough. It is also fairly sensational. He is so matter of fact. What would your sort of strategies be if you are trumps defense . A large part of this is he had immunity. What are you going to do . You are going to lie. Is really the hub here and everything is spoke off of him. He is so critical to the case. I dont know if he is the center of the case. The principle of what he is saying is accurate. Without him, cohen doesnt have the credibility. He needs he is so critical. I think you are starting with that immunity issue. Do you feel, if you are donald trump, and you are his team, there are three people involved in this conspiracy. Do you think this puts pressure on him to take the stand or is that too farfetched to imagine . Well, i think it is unlikely that he will testify for so many reasons. Not the least of which is that the crossexamination is going to be brutal. But, one of the things that the prosecution will have to prove is that donald trump knew that what he was doing was breaking the law. One way he would show that was by testifying and say i didnt know these entries were being made. I didnt know i was doing this with the intent of violating the federal Election Campaign act. He could do that through his testimony. I highly doubt he will do it but i do think you heard a lot of speak from todd blanch in the Opening Statement which is called lawyer talk. I dont know how we are going to prove the lack of knowledge on mr. Trumps behalf. One way he could do it would be to testify. You have the list of potential witnesses. There are high level Trump Organization officials who are prepared to testify who presumably would further corroborate the idea that donald trump knew what he was doing. Is there a witness that you have seen from the list of people called to the stand that could be helpful to trumps case at this point . Helpful . Not necessarily. If you have witnesses putting Michael Cohen in the oval office with you, that is not helpful. If you have a witness saying that donald trump was meticulous looks over his checks signing his checks and not a passive player here, that is not helpful to you. So there is nobody that the prosecution is lining up that will be helpful. I think Josh Steinglass and chris conway, its not their first rodeo. They know what they are doing. Im confident donald trump is in trouble. But, but, it is not his burden. Its the prosecutions burden. And Beyond A Reasonable Doubt which is not always an easy thing. And that is why after we started off with how important david is to give credibility and validating what this is about. Otherwise, why . There needs to be some nexus. Do you know what they might do in the cross . I think they will do everything to show he is a liar. That everything he is saying is not ill informed but he is saying it because he got a non prosecution agreement. Poke holes in the case. That is what they will be doing with david we shall see. Listen. We may know this story quite well. There is so much to dig into. I think we have lassoed you in at one more block. Coming up, congress has voted to send aid to ukraine. But dont ask anyone if the Republican Party if this means the debate is scheduled. 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Todd charge. There was absolutely no willful violation. Those comments were in direct response to comments made by these witnesses. Not about these criminal proceedings your honor. When judge merchan pressed mr. Blanche on what specific attacks trump was responding to, blanche struggled to answer. Which led the judge to say i have asked you eight or nine times to show me the exact posts that trump was responding to and you have been unable to do that even once. Blanches response, President Trump is being careful to comply with your honors rules. Judge merchan, you, mr. Blanche, you are losing all credibility. I have to tell you that right now. Joining me now, duncan levin and joyce vance. Former u. S. Attorney in the Northern District of alabama. Thank you both for being here. Joyce, what are the implications of losing the confidence of the judge in like 48 hours . So yeah. I mean it is never a good thing. Right, alex . I think we are all trying to find different ways to express the fact this is the Worst Development for Donald Trumps lawyers this early in the trial. And their client has forced it upon them, if donald trump were a normal defendant, his lawyers would have taken him out of the courtroom, sat him down, and had a meeting with him where they would have said to him we cannot defend you if you continue to do this. They may well have had that conversation because trumps posts on truth social tonight have involved attacks on the judge. Attacks on alvin bragg, the district attorney. But he seems to have stopped talking at least for the moment about witnesses. But frankly, it is too late. The judge i think is slow to anger. This is a very good judge. A judge who has good control in the courtroom. The fact he had this level of response to todd blanchs attempt to justify trumps conduct does not bode well for the defense. What does it say about the defenses broader strategy here . We knew this Gag Order Hearing was coming and this is the best the defense could come up with . Donald trump is trying really hard to obey your orders when quite obviously he is not . I dont think they are arguing to the judge as much as they are putting on a show for their own client. They are making an argument that is not an argument that they know is the winning argument. And, this could not have gone any worse for them today. They had to expect that. If they wanted to win the argument, they could say he is sorry, he wont do it again and it would have ended right there. But he is making this argument which is a political argument and i think as a result of it, this notion of losing credibility with the judge this early in the case has cost him. They are not getting to see who the next witness is for the next day. Thats the kind of preparation that lawyers do when they are on trial. They spend all night prepping for the next days witness. They dont know who it is. Thats the kind of thing that will trip them up and really harm mr. Trump at the end of the day. You know i was struck as i know many people were about the contention from the prosecution that donald trump might, is angling maybe to be incarcerated here. Can you talk to that and how feasible that suggestion sounds to you . Right. So you know, with donald trump who fund raises, every time a judge rules against him, every time he is indicted, i think we cant reject that notion out of hand. The reality of donald trump losing even more control you know, he is struggling to stay in a courtroom without standing up and trying to leave, complaining about the temperature. I think even a brief stay in one of the holing cells in the courthouse would be very difficult for him. None the less, there might be some political appeal to him. His base, there have not been large supportive rallies for him outside of the courthouse. Maybe he would view this as rallying the base. But the reality is for so Many Americans with trump fatigue at this point, the spectacle of watching the former president go into custody might finally be that bridge too far. Yeah. I am with joyce on this utility of an hour or two in a holding cell for donald trump as a matter of stoking political grievance but i dont know. That just seems very, like a very, very difficult decision for the judge to make. I think what is much more likely to happen is the judge will impose the fines the prosecutors are going to ask for. A thousand dollar is the maximum he can get. Its nothing. A drop in the bucket for him. So i think that A Thousand Dollar fine for him is worth a Million Dollar ad that he could put on tv. What he could do fund raising off of A Thousand Dollar fine from judge merchan in this case to say he is being silenced and fined and they are trying to suppress his right to speak. And they dont want him to become president. He will use this for all it is worth. So i think whether it is a few hours in a holding cell or a few thousand dollars fine, i think he is going to use this for all it is worth. Thats the reason you are seeing more posting coming out tonight. He is angling for a fight. He is not shying away from it. He is putting the judge in a corner where there is nothing else he can do. With the other piece of this, aside from the sort of political utility and what it means for the justice system, is what it does to the actual jurors. Some of the stuff trump has been saying, the reposting of jesse waters about liberal activists lying to the judge to get on the trump jury. We saw yesterday morning one of the jurors came in, the second one with some real trepidation about serving on the jury here. If you are a lawyer in this, are you thinking okay, we need to go to alternate jurors at a certain point . In a normal case, expect it to last a couple of weeks. You might have two or three alternate jurors. This is a problem that points to a larger problem. The jurors are not supposed to see the news. They are supposed to tell folks around them dont talk to me about the news. In a perfect world, they would have no understanding about what donald trump is doing. And whether a host on another network is talking about them and outing their identity. But we live in a real world where that seems to be happening. That could have complicated impacts in this case if there are convictions or an appeal. The judge will do his best to reassure jurors and he will do his best to make sure that they understand they must strictly avoid any external news they are obligated at this point by virtue of the oath they took to serve to hear only the evidence that is presented to them in the courtroom. It is such a stress test for the system. The people involved. I keep going back to judge merchan. He is the most Vulnerable Person in all of this. He is not part of the gag order. He has to make the monumental decisions in terms of history. And if he is pushed to put trump in a holding cell for even an hour, that then becomes a line that has been crossed right . We have never seen that before in american history. It is the job he signed up for. And it is the jurors are in a different spot. Because even under the most normal of conditions, it is hard to look somebody in the eye and convict them and send them to jail. Thats difficult any time. But in this case, these jurors have such difficult task knowing there could be actual physical violence against them. They are all in a spot where this has a real world implication and it has to be scary being on the jury and being the judge and being around all that. Yeah, the judge, in the tish james case. Suggested that jurors not reveal their identities. Not talk about who they are. We have no idea who the men and women are. We are very thankful to them. Thank you both for making the time. Still ahead, pro life. 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It is a great law. Wait, no, a full ban on abortion is not where the people are at. Are you following this . Stay with me here, because kari lake has a new, new opinion on the subject again. Here she is on saturday. When this law passed, the Arizona Supreme Court said this is the law of arizona but unfortunately, the people running our state have said we are not going to enforce it. So it is really political theater. We dont have that law as much as many of us wish we did. It is unfortunate the democrats are not enforcing it. Except, it is not a good law. Because most people arent for it. Except its a great law. What . This is the modern day Republican Party. A party that cannot figure out what it wants. Speaker of the house mike johnson in 2022 was firmly against providing more u. S. Aid to ukraine. He voted against on four separate occasions. But once he was elected speaker last year, according to the reporting from the washington post, he began sitting in on high level Intelligence Briefings and speaker johnson changed his mind. But when johnson tried to get his own party on board with ukraine aid, barely half of them agreed. In fact, the only reason the house was able to approve 95 billiondollars for ukraine, israel and u. S. Allies in the indopacific was because democrats came to the rescue. That does not mean the republican infighting is over. Far from it. Trump ally Marjorie Taylor greene is still threatening to oust speaker johnson for daring to cross the aisle. That is even though trump himself publicly defended johnson on monday saying i think he is trying very hard. But if you thought trump would be the final word on this, think again. Trump whisperer steve bannon said trump is livid about what speaker johnson did on ukraine. He does not support you, johnson, 100 . Trust me. He is furious about what happened. Just to recap here, ukraine aid is very bad. Unless it is urgently necessary. But if you think it is urgently necessary, it is probably almost certainly a catastrophically bad idea. Dont mention the word abortion. We will talk more about the rudderless Republican Party and what democrats can and should do about it. The great claire is coming up next. Is coming up next. Its fineeeeeeee [splash] before advil Advil Dual Action fights pain two ways. Advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. Advil dual action. Voices of people with cidp cidp disrupts. Cidp derails. Lets be honest. All cidp sucks voices of people with cidp but living with cidp doesnt have to. When you sign up at shiningthroughcidp. Com, youll find inspiration in real patient stories, helpful tips, reliable information, and more. Cidp can be tough. But finding hope just got a little easier. Sign up at shiningthroughcidp. Com. All be heard. Be hopeful. Be you. 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Quite obviously, democrats do for bailing out the republican Speaker Of The House and members of his own Party Getting it through the rules committee and out of the house. But do you think mike johnson deserves credit for bucking the hard liner ins the republican conference . I may choke a little when i say this. He got the high level intel briefings. Listened to the commanders. Spent some time talking with people in europe who he knows are our allies. And i think he figured out that he didnt want to be with putin at this moment. He didnt want to be the american who allowed putin to roll over a democracy. And, it is very dangerous for our country. And would end up costing our country even more. Not just in money but in lives. So yeah. He gets a gold star. Theres gold stars in other places. I have to give kind of a gold star, im going to choke again to Mitch Mcconnell because he didnt give up. He got more republicans to vote for the ukraine aid tonight than he did back in february. He got the majority of his caucus tonight. He did not get them back in february. Chuck schumer is not getting enough credit. Alex as the republicans have in the house. He only has 51. It is so important to point that out. Look how many times he has the democrats together when it really mattered. And we have a lot of different opinions in our party when it comes to the conflict. The horrific war in gaza. So, i think the leaders at large in congress get gold stars though i grudgingly give it out to Mitch Mcconnell and mike johnson. Listen, i dont think you are wrong to be begrudging in your gold star distribution. Johnsons desire to pass this Ukraine Aid Bill is based on intelligence and substantiative, a real feeling about the preservation of democracy. It is hard to imagine he is making this case. As he talks about the sort of general Foreign Policy position of the Republican Party. It doesnt feel like he is going to use this as a moment to lead. Quite clearly,. Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Marco rubio voted no today. Marco rubio is the Ranking Member of the Intelligence Committee in the United States senate. Nobody has more intelligence than marco rubio. But he doesnt have the intelligence to go with it or the backbone. So it is really interesting that he is siding with trump. So did another 16 or 17 republicans in the senate. And a whole boat load of them in the house. This is really about are you with trump and putin or are you with really National Security and protecting democracies and freedom across the globe . Are you drawing a larger inference about what this might suggest in terms of house leadership . Do you think this means mike johnson is ready to do deals with moderate democrats . And sort of move things forward . Or this is a one time thing . I did not know. It is a power move we have to try to make. He knows he is on very thin ice right now. Because the far right crazy caucus is so angry. It could be worse. Doesnt lend itself to Flip Flopping easily. That is our star out in arizona, kari lake who cant decide who she is or why she is running. I feel like her inability to take a position on this is so exemplary of a party that knows better but is not listening to, they are not listening to their brains. They are not listening to their better angels or the information. They are listening to the loudest voices. She flipped again because the loud voices are screaming at her. You cannot be against this bill from the 1800s. You must be for this bill. And, you know, the bill isnt even in effect yet. It will be come summer it will be. Local prosecutors have the ability to bring cases. So she is not even after it when she says it cant and wont be enforced. She is somebody who thinks if she talks, she is so, she has the best makeup and says it all so clearly. She actually believes people will buy whatever she is selling and they dont see that she has no principle on this issue. And there is one thing that people hate more than somebody who disagrees on an issue like this. That is somebody with no principles on an issue like this. She loses votes from both sides. Ill just say i think you are telegenic and i love your shot and i can see a cake in the background. Its scones. Blueberry scones. I would get you a cup of hot tea if you were here. Claire, thank you for joining. Thank you and your Blueberry Scones for joining me for real talk. I appreciate it. You bet. Coming up, protests at campuses across america have led to a surge in heated rhetoric. As well as unsupported accusation. And conflicting narratives on all sides. We will speak to the head of Columbia Universitys Student Newspaper about what has and has not been happening on that campus coming up next. Oming up. Try the swiffer powermop. 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Along with the protests are claims that the protests are contributing to a climate of antisemitism on campus and a debate about where to draw the line between Freedom Of Speech and safety on campus. That debate is happening not only in schools but also in the National Press and in the halls of congress. And it has led to the arrest and suspension of hundreds of students across multiple campuses. But the epicenter of all of this is the encampment style protest on day six at Columbia University. Since the first protests following last years october 7th attack, the College Paper the columbia spectator has been on the scene. No paper has covered the protests, the backlash and the transforpolice station of the campus with as much detail or as much access to all of the subjects involved as the columbia spectator. All these headlines you see on screen right now are just from today. So, for a better understanding of what is actually happening there. Joining me now is isabella ramirez. Editor in chief of the columbia spectator. Im reallitive really appreciative of all the reporting you have done. Can you tell us what the latest is as the administration tries to manage this crisis . Columbia students received a new email from the president outlining there have been ongoing conversations between the administration and the organizers behind the encampment and the protests and shafiq has outlined a deadline for when they must come to reconciliation or they will seek Quote Alternative Options for clearing west lawn. There was sort of some vagueness as to what that could imply. There wasnt any sort of direct mention of the new york police. What now has spread to New York University and several universities across the nation, we cant help but be on edge. And, be ready for the potential we could relive what occurred on thursday. It has been hard for people who are not on campus to understand exactly what the dynamic is. There is claims of violence, antisemitic incidents. Faceoffs. Can you to the best of your ability, tell me how contentious it is. How dangerous it feels and what the general tenor is between the pro palestinian groups of students and the pro israel students. Yeah. I mean it is incredibly complicated thing to describe. There are different characterizations to the extent to which people feel safe. And i think we have tried to navigate that particularly. A lot of them have been attached specifically to off campus. Protests, a lot of them have been attached to nonaffiliates who have been protesting outside of our campus sometimes in solidarity. There was some particular incidents that happened over the past saturday. What we call at the sun dial. There were a few violent remarks made and a specific sign that was held by just one singular protester away from the encampment. Not on the lawns but very close by referring to hamas military wing. People have pointed to those and that is very, that is something we should contend with as campus body. There is a very interesting element i think that if you werent really deeply involved in the campus and you werent seeing the encampment for yourself and walking onto it, of this Micro Community that is being formed on this lawn. And, what i mean by that, they have regular programming. One of the first guidelines on the list is do not engage. Try to deescalate. When some of those antisemitic incidents happen on and off campus on saturday, Columbia University sort of the Big Coalition behind this encampment did, you know, to an extent, denounce the incidents and remember guys like this is what we are here for. We are here to demand to divest from its ties to