Violence not as a fire that needs to be put out and urgently but something to be fed and fueled. Apparently not satisfied with having disrupted life for thousands of his own constituents living and working in springfield, ohio, with his lies about haitian immigrants eating family pets, lies that have spurred dozens of Bomb Threats against elementary schools, middle schools, hospitals, municipal buildings, Jd Vance chose to fan those flames, laying blame for what is still an apparent Assassination Attempt on Donald Trump at the feet of democrats. Listen. You know the big difference between conservatives and liberal is that we No One has tried to kill Kamala Harris in the last couple months and two people now have tried to kill Donald Trump in the last couple months. I would say thats pretty strong evidence that the left needs to tone down their rhetoric and needs to cut this crap out. Somebodys going to get hurt by it, and its going to destroy this country. We should point out that the Mow Tivs of both of those shooters are under investigation by Law Enforcement and it is truly remarkable to hear comments like that from a man whos only on the republican ticket because the last person to serve as Vice President to Donald Trump wouldnt. He was threatened by a violent mob to be hung, hang mike pence, because he refused to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power in america. While Jd Vance so eagerly dispenses without any shred of Evidence Blame and assigns motives without anyone in Law Enforcement saying that thats the case, for a universally condemned incident, the democrats on the Receiving End of Jd Vances attacks are today telling The Truth. Moments ago Vice President Kamala Harris participated in a panel with the National Association Of Black Journalists where she was asked about this very topic, like in springfield ohio, and the lies that have brought people living there so much fear and grief. Watch. Its a crying shame. I mean, my heart breaks for this community. You know, there were children, elementary schoolchildren, who it was it was school photo day. You remember what thats like. Going to school on picture day, who are dressed up in their best, got all ready, knew what they were going to wear the night before, and had to be evacuated. Children. Children. A whole Community Put in fear. And ill say a couple things about it. One, you know, i learned a long time ago in my career, having a background as a prosecutor, we have these positions, when you have that kind of microphone in front of you, you really ought to understand at a very deep level how much your words have meaning. The american people deserve and i do believe want better than this. I do believe that. I know, i know the vast majority of us as americans know we have so much more in common than what separates us. I know that. I know that regardless of someones background, their race, their gender, their geographic location, i know that people are deeply troubled by what is happening to that community in springfield, ohio, and its got to stop. And weve got to say that you cannot be entrusted with standing behind the seal of the president of the united states of america, engaging in that hateful Ret Toir Rick that as usual is designed to divide us as a country, is designed to have people pointing fingers at Each Other. Its designed to do that. And i think most people in our country, regardless of their race, are starting to see through this nonsense and and to say, you know what, lets turn the page on this. This is exhausting and its harmful. And its hateful. And and and grounded in some ageold stuff that we should not have the tolerance for. So lets turn the Page And Chart a new way forward and say, you cant have that microphone again. Let me show you a little bit more news that Vice President Kamala Harris made. She talked about her call with Donald Trump. Sure. I checked to see if he was okay. Yeah. And i told him what i have said publicly. Theres no place for political violence in our country. I am in this election and in this race for many reasons, including to fight for our democracy, and in a democracy, there is no place for political violence. We can and should have healthy debates and discussion and disagreements, but not resort to violence, to to resolve those issues. On January 6th your vehicle was allowed to kind of pass a Pipe Bomb no, i was in the building. Weve seen with what happened with former president trump. Do you have full confidence in the secret service. I do. To protect all of you . I do. You feel safe for you and your family . I do. You can go back to ohio. Not everybody has secret service. And there are far too many people right now in our country who are not feeling safe. I look at project 2025, and i look at, you know, like the dont say gay laws coming out of florida, members of the Lbgtq Community dont feel safe right now. Immigrants, people with an Immigrant Background dont feel safe right now. Women dont feel safe right now. And so yes, i feel safe. I have secret Service Protection. But that doesnt change my perspective on the importance of fighting for the safety of everybody in our country. And doing everything we can to, again, lift people up and not beat people down so they feel alone and are made to feel small and made to feel like theyre somehow not a part of it or us. Thats where we start with our favorite reporters and friends. Democratic strategies and president of brilliant Corner Research Cornell belcher back with us, rnc spokesman, Tim Miller is back, former Fbi Counterintelligence Agent Pete Strzok is back. I want to start with you Tim Miller, in what is an extraordinary Paradigm Shift in our politics. You and i am old. Youre not old. But were both old enough to know when the republicans ran on security and this is really important what she said here. You feel safe . Sure i do. Quote, but i mean you can go back to ohio. Not everybody has secret service. There are far too many people in our country that are not feeling safe. Look at project 2025, the dont say gay laws coming out of florida. Immigrants, people with an Immigrant Background, they dont feel safe right now. Women. They dont feel safe right now. So yes, i feel safe. I have secret Service Protection. That doesnt change my perspective on the importance of fighting for everybody in our country. The Harris Campaign and Vice President harris herself is the only candidate running on security in this election 50 days from now, and i think you look at what Trump And Vance are doing to the people living in ohio, you look what they do by targeting all those people, she listed there, and it feels like in the final 50 days, this issue of safety and security, couldnt be in sharper relief from the voters. Yeah. That contrast is strong. I was ready for that clip. I watched the whole interview with the three National Association Of Black Journalists. I thought that was her best answer because it goes right back to what shes trying to make the Core Contrast of this campaign which is that she cares about peoples lives, regular people, americans lives. You can see that contrast in these answers. She is asked by Eugene Daniels there directly if she feels safe. I have secret service. Its the people in springfield who had to evacuate their schools because they had Bomb Threats, they dont have money for secret service. Thats who im worried about. That strong and true answer, contrast the first clip you played of Jd Vance at the beginning and these other guys. They just whine. Like the whole thing is about oh, how the media is so unfair to them and how, you know, how poorly theyve been treated and how everything is rigged against them, and oh, whoa is me. They dont care Jd Vance doesnt care. They both, Trump And Vance, asked if they are worried or care about the people in springfield who had to be evacuated because of their Ret Toir Rick and they both rhetoric and they both ducked the questions and said no. For Jd Vance to go out there, almost sociopathic what he was saying in the first clip, the notion only people on the left are coming after trump. Theyre coming after them. And, you know, that theres this big they out there and this huge problem on the left of people coming after them. Like, without taking any responsibility. Without taking any leadership obligation. Like, you just cant imagine theres no precedent for this. Like the behave Ter Behavior of the Trump And Vance ticket. To respond to that, by pointing fingers, by instigating more, you know, Gerald Ford had two Assassination Attempts against him in september one month. I dont remember him going on national news and trying to fan the flames and blame the other side. Reagan didnt, kennedy didnt. No other politician would do this because its so irresponsible. Thats immediately what Jd Vance has gone to after both of these horrific incidents trying to point the fingers, fan the flames more and be aggrieved. And i just think that contrast that versus what you saw from the Vice President just said its in very stark relation. Theres so much to say about everything you just said. Let me just play some more Jd Vance and Donald Trump instead for you, cornell. This is more i think the term is sort of cognitive dissidence from Vance And Trump on the issue of rhetoric. Look, we can disagree with one another, we can debate one another, but we cannot tell the american people that one candidate is a fascist. Shes a marxist, communist, fascist. Radical left marxist, communist, fascist. If elected it will be the end of american democracy. If this Election Isnt won im not sure youll have another election in this country. So cornell, the Difference Isnt lets leave the issue of threats to pete strzok. Ive been on the air and covered arrests and indictments of tragically many people plotting to harm the former president obama, having foiled plots against many of Donald Trumps perceived legal enemies and opponents, but lets leave all that aside and just deal with the language since thats what Jd Vance seemed to be talking about. Theres No One who has debased our politics more consistently with their language and with their fanning of flames against everyone that the Vice President listed there in racist, misogynistic ways, No One who has talked about Holding Tribunals and crimes punishable by death for their perceived political opponents or minority groups in this country, than Donald Trump. That said, theres No One in the center or on the left that didnt condemn the two attempted assassinations against Donald Trump. If we want to live in a democracy he must be safe, and he must be free to say whatever he wants to say. But to use his Bully Pulpit to lie about who the Per Vaers are of violent rhetoric, while it may have been a predictable step, is something that cant be allowed to seep in as truth, even among his hardened base. Well, i think thats right. Lets unpack it a little bit further, nicole, right. There is a long, unfortunate tragic history of politicizing racial Aversion And Resentment in this country. And, you know, go back to Lee Atwater who, you know, on the famous architecture of the southern strategy. It has long been a part of an unfortunate part of some politics in this country that you better yourself politically and position yourself by turning other americans, usual live americans who are different, different color, behaved differently, and other, you know, making threats. And at some point, nicole, you have to ask, especially like when you look at whats happening to those innocent people in ohio, at some point, you know, almost as a student of political science, right, im fascinated by this, although its sad, but its a Study In who we are. You know, how many times are we going to fall for this . How many times are the working people of this country going to continue to allow, you know, themselves be pit against Each Other while guys like Donald Trump make big promises to wall Street And Oil and big special interests, if you fund my campaign im going to take Care Of you, while we fight over and we fight Each Other because were brown and we come from a different place. This has been a Classic American Political Trick for a long time. Im hoping, nicole, that dog doesnt hunt anymore. Yeah. Im hoping youll see in middle america, those moderate know the Road Voters who are struggling with their own issues about the Economy And Safety and freedoms and rights and go, is this what i want four more years of . I want four more years of being pitted against Each Other, much violent talk and hate. Forget he was just on twitter saying he hates taylor swift. Taylor swift, for what reason . So to that Middle Of The Road voter, you know, im talking to you right now. You determine what we are in the future. You determine what america is. And i a i got a feeling americans are decent people. We have much more in common than not. Theyre going to reject trump yet again i think in larger numbers because the threat is more real. Peter strzok, i remember watching January 6th unfold and talking to three national former national security officials who said this will turn into a classic Counter Extremism Effort if we are to combat this because nothing you say will impact anyone who went there and beat cops today. I remember feeling that was stark. Everyone was watching this with their own eyes. With that in mind let me show you what neal cavuto, on right now on fox news, said about this yesterday. Im glad Donald Trump survived yet another attempt on his life. Absolutely. Its not the first time, of course. He is also given end send areary comments blaming haitian immigrants eating cats and dogs, babies getting killed after their delivery and saying that his opponents were all for that procedure. Racist comments that some said, maybe werent intended, but came across as that, calling well only reason im mentioning any of this, doesnt extreme Rhetoric Work both ways and that Donald Trump himself should be careful with this . Wouldnt that be news if someone said that on this network. It is when the words are uttered at fox news. Its not just the rhetoric but the fact that the data of political violence backs up the fact that political violence since January Of 2021 has overwhelmingly come on the heels of speech by trump on his supporters. At the beginning of the show you talked about the violence of January 6th. One of the participants of January 6th last Summer Tyler was arrested outside of barack obamas washington, d. C. , residence, after Donald Trump posted that address on Social Media with multiple guns in his car. We saw Paul Pelosi attacked and after his attack in his house in california, Donald Trump jr. Reposting an image of a Hammer And Pair of underwear with words to the effect of i guess i found my halloween outfit. Judges in New York, washington, d. C. , in georgia, i me meant Gag Orders against an individual running for the president of the united states because they had demonstrated to them the rhetoric used by Donald Trump has historically led to violence. This is not something a judge takes lightly. Impose this sort of restrictions. But if you look at all of these attacks overwhelmingly they are coming from the right and people listening to trump and his supporters and shouldnt surprise us at all. Unfortunately i am glad that Jd Vance and trump and others are saying political violence has no place in our democracy. Theyre absolutely right about it. Its absurd for me for them to sit there and demand security for themselves while simultaneously refusing to insist on security for others. Jd vance represents the people in springfield. He is their senator. He could insist that they live in a safe environment but he isnt. Its clearly political in my opinion. It is absolutely the height of hypocrisy. Sadly this is heading nowhere good and if anything, well continue to accelerate. Im going to push you on that. I have to sneak in a break. No one is going anywhere. Still to come faced with the prospect of a second term for an expresident who called the leaders of the military my generals, former officials are speaking out. One of those officials former brigadier general Steve Anderson who endorsed Vice President harris will join me table. Reporting reveals the worst fears of Abortion Rights advocates have come true, that Abortion Bans put in place in the wake of dobbs could lead to women dying. 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That moment seemed to really sort of change the tenor of the conversation today. I think thats right. I think, you know, it was a really Depth Answer to the question i wanted to find out about. I wanted to ask about her family. She turned it immediately. Ive been covering her this entire time as Vice President , it shows the growth, all the changes she and her team have made in her ability to bring conversations back to where they want to go. Its sometimes frustrating as reporter to talk about the thing i wanted to talk about, but i thought, her telling the american people that im secure. Im good. Right. Like i dont think it was just about, you know, i have secret Service Protection. It was, you know, i now have a lot of money. I now have a lot of power and access. And but you dont. I want to fight for you. I thought, you know, for someone who has just become really just a few weeks ago the nominee of the party in such a speedy way, people are wondering what shes going to do for them specifically but how she thinks about this country, how she thinks about the american people and that answer elevated how she is viewing where we are right now as a country. You have such a unique perspective and i remember that youve been on this beat for a long time. I want to ask you about some of what youre sort of sharing with us and sort of your reflections about this very brief but rather extraordinary candidacy. When she turned in at the debate was 90 minutes of this phenomenon youre describing it isnt about her. And i wonder if you think i feel like watching her and watching what spilled into public view the genuine partnership between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, this genuine Affection Fort other, the extraordinary circumstances in which she became the democratic nominee, if some of that sort of i had this feeling at the time when Joe Biden dropped out, a sacrifice puts in motion these other things, her entire campaign, shes not talked about herself in any interview. I mean, you know, it seems like an important piece of what the campaign was trying to do during the convention telling the story of her Life And Biography but all of her answers and speeches and the answers in the debate about what she wants to do for the country and the biggest thing shes talking about today is this page turning. I mean, its interesting because she doesnt like and kind of never has wanted to lean in to the importance of her historic you were talking about Vice President , the first woman to do it, Vice President the first black person, the first Brown Person to do it, now as the nominee, and part of that is because she is, like you say, trying to turn and make people focus on themselves, right. Like she doesnt do speeches about herself. She didnt wear white to signify her excitement about being the nominee when she accepted the nomination at the dnc. Theres always these little ways in which harris does not want to engage. Not because she doesnt believe and understand the importance of to a lot of people about who she is and what she stands for, it is often because she is she has put it, wants to continue to work for the american people and her only client as a lawyer has been the people, right. That is how she views it and how her campaign views it and she kind of interestingly allows other people to do the propping up of her, telling, you know, that talking about the importance of the history that she has made and is making and hopes to make again. When you pay attention to the ways in which she talks about her mother, right, being the single mom and raising two black girls, when she talks about middle class, when she talks about going to howard, theres winks and nods for who she is. For those supposed to understand it, those that its for, people who know what being going to howard means and what it means to her in the black community those people hear it. For others they just think shes just listing off things about herself. It is an interesting way shes doing it. And covering her this entire time youve had, you know, critics wanting to know more about who she is. Kamala popped around and she was working to figure out how she could be a different candidate, how she could be she thought a Running Mate to president biden, and meanwhile, she and her team were preparing herself for kind of this moment. Well see how it works out. Voting has like, you know, were very close to really starting and kicking off, but it is a different she feels like a different person that im covering than i was on january 20th, 2021. Cornell, i think what the country sees is probably something closer to what shes always been. I think Theres Something structurally weird Dick Cheney was george bushs Vice President , so i dont have any good parallels to what its like if youre Coming Up. He was sort of the person who had been around the block, who who who, you know, knew where all the light switches were, wasnt that a thing with trump, can turn on the lights in the roosevelt room. You talk to people who have covered the ins and outs of her Washington Career and they see something different. When you talk to people who have known her since she was a statewide Office Holder in california, this is the person weve always known. And you talk to her former senate colleagues like claire mccaskill, Cory Booker and others who watched her literally dismantle people like Bill Barr and Jeff Sessions on live television, these are some of the skills that were on display there. I wonder what you make, again, this is a shortened campaign, there are 50 days to go. I think some of this, you know, how did she become this disciplined, this focused, questions will sort of be the stuff of poox. But what the people care about seems to be tracking with exactly what shes talking about. Im laughing. You understand this. You know, were campaign people. Its fascinating to me that were having a conversation and its and the fascinating point of it is that we have a candidate whos focuss on the people, not themselves. Except for trump. Thats what campaigns were supposed to be about, right. Campaigns are about what are you going to do for the people and whether they be on the left or right, im old enough to remember, you know, even george h. Bush talking about, you know, thousand points of light. What do you do for the people . Its only around trump where the campaign is about him and his grievance and its almost as though its not really a political campaign at all. Its something different. And hes not really leading a party in a traditional way. I think Theres Something different happening there. But to the Vice President , look, she has clearly risen to every challenge, and, you know, Coming Up through the political system there in california and breaking glass ceilings there, shes risen to the occasion and and and broken through. Look, something that i think i credit from Chuck Todd the Vice President is the most famous unknown person in the world, and to lots of americans, they havent had opportunities to see her move and operate this way, because as you and i both know, the job of the Vice President is not to be seen. Its to be in the shadows and always back up the president. Never over shadow the president. Here we have an opportunity to see who she is and how she what her values are and one thing i can say from the polling is, i have never seen in such a short period of time someone go from a net negative to a net positive overall in the polling as quickly as she did and she did it not through a Campaign Spending hundreds of millions on advertisement but by the sheer force of who she is. Thank you all for starting us off today. Coming up, friend of the Show And Pollster Sara Longwell says theres one endorsement that could have a huge impact with voter. 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I think we need more of these generals to come out and say we have to support her, because hes such a threat. Thats Somebody Voters will trust, who saw him up close. That was Sara Longwell on this Program Yesterday at this hour reminding us of the impact of Trumps Disdain for our veterans and the men and women of the military, the expresident s experience as a Leader Disregard for our values and our constitution, and his disrespect for our countrys bravest. To him he calls them suckers and losers. Sara longwell pointing out the difference it could make today to hear from Military Leaders who served the expresident who saw him up close, to hear them endorse Vice President harris for reasons she described as this guys too big of a threat. People like the ten retired generals and admirals who emphatically endorse Vice President Kamala Harris last week calling her, quote, the best and only president ial candidate in this race who is fit to serve as our Commander In Chief. And the expresident , a danger who, quote, at his core, does not understand selfless Service And Sacrifice and he should never be allowed to again serve as Commander In Chief of the greatest Fighting Force in the world. Joining our coverage here at the table, retired u. S. Army brigadier general Steve Anderson, who signed that letter endorsing Vice President harris, and retired u. S. Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel founder of democratic Majority Action Pact Amy Mcgrath is back with us. Thank you for assembling these voices we call out for these voices, you know whats going on and can report that out, but its a different thing to get to sit here and hear from first person accounts about this thing that before trump was unprecedented, the lack of fitness. Talk about fitness in the context of Military Leaders calling trump unfit to serve . Well, its a big deal. And first of all, many of these retired generals and admirals came together, you know, before i even got involved and im simply trying to highlight their voices a little bit. One of the things that i think the american people need to know is that many of these, you know, retired Military Officers they dont want to wade into politics. This is something that is theyre taught not to do. Theyre apolitical. They want to remain apolitical and thats been an important tradition in our country. The risk of a second Donald Trump presidency is so great to not only to our democracy, but to our national security, that many of them are coming forward and saying, we have to speak up because this man is unfit to be the Commander In Chief. He is unfit to be the president of the united states in ways that we want the american people to know about. I think thats unprecedented. Let me challenge and i think we should its folks like chairman milley, jim mattis, folks like general kelly, she namechecked all three, so i feel comfortable saying that, i guess what i would push back against all three of their silence and say is, the military will be politicized if he wins. Hes already tried to get the military to seize Voting Machines. Are they going to wait until they send the military to seize Voting Machines in georgia . Thats a good point. I would like to make the distinction between the former general chief of staff and General Milley, Secretary Mattis, John Kelly and h. R. Mcmaster. The last three were political appointees. They were retired generals. Yes. But they then volunteered to become a political appointee. And thats different. They cant leave that post and then go back and say, well im a retired general, and im now apolitical again. No. You saw things and you owe it to the american people to tell us what you saw and do you think that this man is fit to be back in the White House . You saw him and you were in a political position when you did that. I think thats a really important distinction. Youre saying that it is theyve already made that leap. Absolutely. They you know, theyre different than General Milley. General milley served his entire career in the military when he got out, you know, if he doesnt want to wade into politics, hey, great. Fine. Okay. But the other three decided to go into political roles. Chief of staff, secretary of defense, secretary of homeland security, national security adviser. Those are political roles. You take your generalship off, you might have been a former general and thats how you got in that role, but youre not there in that role and when you leave, this business of well, im a retired general again, and i dont need to wade into politics, you know, a lot of us feel like those of us that served no, no, no, you jumped into the political fray. You volunteered. Now tell us what you saw. You know. Yeah. I keep coming back to this having worked in government in a post9 11 period where every One Of Us The Public was asked if you see something, say something. No one saw more disqualifying conduct than these men. Absolutely. I mean, Amy Is spot on. These people sat and had a front Row Seat to what was going on within the trump administration. I think they have a duty, they have an obligation, to share their thoughts with the american people. I mean, i commend Mark Esper and John Bolton who have come on very strong, made statements, and theyve made it very clear that they dont want to see trump in the White House again. I think that h. R. Mcmaster, you know, i wrote a book, wrote all kinds of terrible things about him, but when telling us who he was going to vote for president he wants it both ways. Its sad these people, i think they need to step up. I certainly agree and understand what amy said and about my a lot of my brethren have difficulty in getting in the political cauldron. Thats how we were raised. 31 years i spent in the army, my boss was a Democrat Or Republican and i didnt care. Now is the time to step going Jack Boots are marching down the streets and our kids enrolled in trump youth. Is that the time . We need to step up now. Im very proud to be part of national security leaders for america a week ago we had 500 members. This week 700 members. Were making some progress. People are starting to hear our message. We realize that the military is still a vitally respected institution within the united states. Our voice will be heard by middle america. They want to hear our voice, and i think in like i said in light of whats happened since the 6th of january, 2021 no you is the time for all general officers and former Military Leaders to come online and tell the american people what they think. Donald trump is a threat to our democracy and cannot be allowed to be Commander In Chief again. Is it an active alive Back And Forth . Are you presenting Donald Trump seems to be offering new evidence of his lack of fitness with his debasing of arlington, the most precious space for any Commander In Chief before Donald Trump. Is it a live conversation . There are a lot of people on the fence about it. Inaction is action. If you choose not to step up history will remember those that did and those that didnt. You know, now, you know, we owe it to the american people to make our voices heard and thats why national security leaders for america will continue to beat the drum as hard as we can. He is totally unfit. The other thing about this is, the national Security Situation in the united states, i think its dramatically improved with Kamala Harrised a Commander In Chief. Why do i say that . Because our stature as a nation will grow significantly. Im i travel a lot overseas. I have a lot of Work And Business overseas, and im constantly asked, hey, are you serious . Donald trump can get back in the White House . And they i say yeah, unfortunately theyve got a lot of people that live and breath by everything that he says. Kamala harris would be just the opposite. Why . Because shes an inspiration. Not only is she positive and brings hope and optimism, but as a black woman, the product of a mixed marriage, she will inspire millions of people throughout the world. Our credibility as a nation, you know, that we would be able to i a how our country is so great that we allow a woman like that to become the Commander In Chief, the president of the united states. That is going to send a powerful message all over the world. People like Vladimir Putin are going to say wait a minute, these guys, you know, they truly have democratic country, they truly are represented, truly fighting for all their people, and Kamala Harris is a manifestation of that. I have to sneak in a break. I want to press both of you on this issue of Donald Trumps disdain for the most noble, people who die or are injured serving our country how or why that isnt breaking through. A quick break. Well all be right back. K break. Well all be right back. The promise of this nation should extend to all from New York to new mexico, from alaska to alabama. But right now, people like you are losing their freedoms. Some in power are suppressing voting rights. 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We dont take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We take an oath to the constitution. We take an oath to the ideas of america that were willing to die to protect it. Most powerful remarks from a very eloquent important leader, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs general mark milley. I guess part of this wanting for General Milley and others to speak out is that the record, what he saw so singular, and i understand, i understand what youre saying about all the reasons why not, but theres his own brush with being politicized. I want to read a little bit from a Resignation Letter that he never sent that was obtained by Peter Baker and susan glasser. Its my belief that you were doing great and irreparable harm to my country. I believe you Donald Trump have made a concerted effort over time to politicize the united states military. You are using the military to create fear in the minds of the people. We are trying to protect the american people. And lastly it is my deeply held belief that youre ruining the international order and causing significant damage to our country overseas. Trump is running as an alley of vladimir Putin And Admirer of kim jong un. The fact that chairman and the Joint Chiefs had to pen that letter, the fact that he had to write it is extraordinary. I do think, you know, among the population in the united states, that trumps Poll Numbers in the slice of the electorate, your Military Families, active duty, your veteran groups, his numbers have gone down. Theyve gone down repeatedly over the last few years not just because of his calling veterans suckers and losers, because of his antics at arlington. Those of us in the military dont want Foreign Policy by tweet. We are on the tip of the spear and know what its like to be whipped around, you know, when you have a Commander In Chief who does this type of chaotic Foreign Policy. If you recall, Secretary Mattis resigned because Donald Trump pulled troops out of syria without even discussing it with the military or the pentagon. Thats what were talking about. You contrast that with Kamala Harris, who is levelheaded, who makes decisions, been there as Vice President , thats who we trust and that shift is happening. Take us inside the room with someone that may or may not have expressed support for Donald Trump. Tell me the case youre making for Vice President harris. Well, im a conservative republican, nicole. Thats how i was raised. I know a few. Not anymore. It ended in 2016 when Donald Trump came online and now i called myself a rhino. We have tried to communicate how important it is. Kamala harris is a great leader. Now admittedly, when she first her candy can Dasy First announced the best thing she has going for her is perhaps shes not Donald Trump. The way she has been able to coalesce the democratic party and bringing leaders together the vision shes established the hope, optimism and positive message, the way she kicked Donald Trumps butt last week at that debate, i mean, this is somebody who is smart, capable like amy said, a public servant. Shes a highspeed lawyer. She could be making millions doing, you know, being a highspeed lawyer, but she hasnt. She sacrificed it all because of her middle America Raise and commitment to selfless sacrifice and service. As a district attorney, as a state attorney general, Vice President , and senator and now Vice President , you know shes been serving The Public her whole life. Look at Donald Trump. President he never served anybody but himself in his entire life. Military people recognize her selfless Service And Leadership capability and her support for Military Families and her ability to keep this world more stable through her leadership. Donald trump recognizes just like amy said, chaos and instability, whereas Kamala Harris is going to bring smart Leadership And Energy and Drive And Hope and optimism into the entire world. I love that your coalition is dynamic and that its grown from 500 to 700 since last week. Keep coming back and give us those updates. Thank you for being here today. Well stay on this. Im not sure there are many things more important in this election. Coming up next for us in the next hour, an impassioned plea for reproductive rights from Vice President Kamala Harris. Well play it for you next. Nt ks well play it for you next this one is for you. We are people living with afib. And over 400,000 of us have left Blood Thinners behind. For life. Weve cut our stroke risk. And said goodbye to our Bleeding Worry with the watchman implant. We may be getting older. But weve never squeezed more out of life. And we are just getting started. Join us at watchman. Com. Watchman. Its one time, for a lifetime. The former president handpicked any members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention they would undue roe v. Wade, they did as he intended and in state after State Laws have been passed criminalizing Health Care providers. I dont know if anyone here has heard most recently out of georgia, tragic story. About a young woman who died because its appears the people who should have given her Health Care were afraid they would be criminalized after the Dobbs Decision came down. Hi there, everyone. Its 5 00 in New York. Vice president Kamala Harris earlier today speaking to the National Association Of Black Journalists on the threat that Donald Trump represents to all Women In America if he were to return to the White House. The Vice President there was referencing Brand New reporting in propublica that found that the Abortion Bans he put into Motion Arent just causing women to needlessly suffer while waiting for treatment or inflicting longterm irreversible damage to their health, rendering them infertile or impacting their ability to have children in the future, we have irrefutable proof that the bans are killing women. Propublica found at least two women in georgia have died after being unable to access timely Abortion Care after roe was overturned. Here is one womans story. Quote, in her final hours, Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a Grave Infection that her suburban Atlanta Hospital was well equipped to treat but some in her state made performing the procedure a felony with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison. Thurman waited in pain in a Hospital Bed worried what would happen to her 6yearold son as doctors monitored her infection spreading, Blood Pressure Sinking and organs beginning to fail. It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then, it was too late. Yesterday should have been ambers 31st birthday. Shes a mom. 31 years old. Propublica reports the state medical committee that investigated this case, her case, and others, in other states, operate on a Twoyear Lag in the cases they examine. Meaning the cases of women who have died since the Dobbs Decision are just now starting to come to light, which means that according to propublica, quote, there are almost certainly others. This inexcusable, stain on our country, this tragedy, its part of something once kept deeply hidden from any political discourse. We never knew these stories. That is the harrowing accounts of women who are or could be our sisters, our daughters, our mothers, our friends being denied vital lifesaving Health Care after Donald Trumps Handpicked Supreme Court justices stripped away the constitutional right to an abortion. These Real Life Stories are so raw, so undeniably cruel, senseless, that trumps maga loyalists are working overtime to change reality, to deflect and distract from the horror that Donald Trump almost single handedly created. One former Trump Staffer Project 2025 Adviser A Guy Named John Mack Entity has publicly tried to claim that these tragedies arent happening at all. As we showed you last week, this guy John Mcenty took to tiktok to claim stories about Women Suffering are made up. Can someone track down the women Kamala Harris says are bleeding out in Parking Lots because roe v. Wade was overturned . Dont hold your breath. Eating chicken nuggets while being that inhumane is an interesting touch. It seems to have worked. Since we showed you that video on tiktok friday, its made its way around the internet and the comments have been flooded with women sharing stories of being denied by the Abortion Care. The independent is reporting that the video now has more than 17,000 comments, almost all from women sharing their stories of being denied care. Quote, Posting Stories of being turned away from Emergency Rooms in agony, bleeding out in Parking Lots at home in public bathrooms and sometimes for months afterward, others talk about miss miscarriage, losing the ability to have children and driving across multiple states to get treatment where its still legal. Often while hemorrhaging. Most of the stories appear to involve Want Ord planned pregnancies. The deadly reality for women in 2024 in Donald Trumps postrow america is where we start the hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. Senior editor is here, she edited that piece of reporting that we read from. Also joining us president of reproductive freedom for all Mini Timraji is here and former obama White House policy director, msnbc medical contributor, dr. Kavita patel is here. You know, zeta i wish that guy, what is his name, Johnny Mcenty with the fast food fetish, i wish he was right. I wish this wasnt real. Tragically, tragically it is. Take us through the propublica report. First, thank you for having me on to talk about this important reporting by other journalists at propublica we found, you know, this is a very real case of a 28yearold woman who died in a suburban Atlanta Hospital from a preventative cause and, you know, the committee, the State Committee, that is assigned to review these cases found it representable. Theres a simple procedure that could have saved her life, could have stopped the infection growing within her body, and it wasnt performed for 20 hours. We dont know what was in the Committees Mind or what was in the doctors minds, but we do know what the outcome was, and that was this 28yearold is dead. Shes one of at least two women who died in georgia in situations that appear related to the ban and that the State Committee has found preventable. Mini, i dont want to gloss over this one case yet and talk more broadly about our politics because i think that what republicans want people to believe is not just that these women dont exist, but that theyre a certain kind of woman. Not that theyre a mom who may have desperately wanted the baby she was pregnant with. I think thats what amanda is so inconvenient to republicans. But theres a Little Boy who, you know, lost his mom at 6 because of Donald Trumps criteria for selecting supreme court justices only wanting people who would overturn roe. Whatever happens in our politics, nothing undoes that single tragedy for this family and this Little Boy. Yeah. I look, we knew this was happening. I have a tremendous amount of gratitude to this tough, smart, persistent reporters of propublica who finally proved it, right. I mean, weve been collectively gaslit by republicans for the past two years since dobbs. Weve been Shouting Women will die, women are likely dying. Now we have the proof. Amber thurman would be alive today if it wasnt for Donald Trump and brian kemps Abortion Ban. Brian kemp signed that bill. Brian kemp, a governor, who has the opportunity with his legislature to move the reproductive Freedom Act in georgia to repeal and fix this mess, has shown no indication hes willing to do it. Its important to understand for everybody that theres complicity up and down the Policy Making Structure From The Supreme Court to the Fifth Circuit to the Georgia Legislature to the georgia Governors Mansion to the White House. Theyve all conspired and collaborated to for women like amber to die. I cannot say it enough. We did not have to be in this place. We do not have to live like this. We owe it to amber and the countless number of women whose stories we do not yet know to do something about this. Dr. Patel, i want to read you more from propublicas reporting. By the time doctors began to operate on Amber The Situation was so dire, that doctors started with open abdominal surgery. The ob performed the dnc, but immediately continued with the hisser to rec thome. During surgery Thurmans Heart stopped arep. Her mother praying in the waiting room. Come walk with me, she said. Her mother recalled her daughters last words before she was wheeled into surgery. They had made no sense coming from a vibrant young woman who seemed to have her life ahead of her. Quote, promise me youll take Care Of my son. This isnt an account from the 60s. This Isnt Fiction or an ad. This is the united states of America Post dobbs. Yeah. Nicole, it gets even worse, again, Kudos To Propublica for bringing this story forward. We knew the stories were happening and this is the tip of the iceberg. Whats troubling is reading 20 hours and she was put just to be clear, this wasnt 20 hours she came in with no pain, nothing acute. She had an elevated white Blood Cell Count. She had all the signs, one of the consultants said shes in septic shock. This is clearly doctors who knew what was happening, entire teams, but you can see how much people ask me often wont doctors just do the right thing. At the end of the day. This just shows you how much of an Overhang And Shadow i want to give a i want to give a little perspective. I dont know the doctors involved. I know the hospital. I know probably what the doctors were thinking and mini knows this too, if i get arrested and get removed, and im the only Covering Ob for this area, how many other women am i not going to treat. This is the position that medical professionals have been put in. Just to say something, amber was a medical professional. She was a medical assistant who was going on to learn nursing. So think about all the layers and think she knew that were wrong in order to get her unfortunately and not having having an orphan child. Thats whats even more mind boggling. This is someone who knew the medical system, knew it well enough to go out of state, knew it well enough to know what to say. Even she couldnt get the care she deserved. I want to come back to the reporting. This is this is from what you report, amber found out she was pregnant up with twins in the summer of 2022. She was already a single parent preparing to apply to nursing school, so she decided to have an abortion. Georgias Sixweek Ban had just gone into effect however so she made an appointment for a surgical abortion in North Carolina. She got stuck in Traffic Due to the long drive and missed the window for a surgical abortion. The Clinic Couldnt hold her place because they were inundated with women coming from out of state and so amber had to rely on the Abortion Pill regiment. She was a good candidate for the Abortion Pill and took them as directed. She experienced heavy bleeding. If she had been in North Carolina the clinic that saw her originally would have done a dnc for free. She was too far away. August 18th, 2022 vomited blood, passed out and her boyfriend called 911. At the hospital she presented with clear unmistakable signs of sepsis and as dr. Patel said it took doctors 20 hours to operate. Her heart stopped on the Operating Table and she died. What will happen now with all of these facts that are not disputed . Well, thats a real good question, isnt it . One of the interesting things we found is that these findings are never shared with families. Ambers family learned that her death had been deemed preventable from propublica. You know, i know that this board takes its investigations seriously. It reviewed her medical records and deemed this preventable. It said that her death was largely responsible largely caused by this delay, this 20hour delay. Again, we dont know what was in doctors minds. They did discuss a dnc several times. Were very interested in knowing more. We would love to hear from people who know more. We want the story to come out. Its really up to The Public and to elected officials there in georgia to determine how to handle this I Governor Kemp said propublica was engaging in Fear Mongering when we reached out about this story. Thats the same words they used two weeks before amber died when advocates trying to stop georgias sixweek Abortion Ban said women could would suffer and possibly die because of the Sixweek Ban. So theyre consistent in their, you know, in their reactions to these warnings and now this confirmed case from their own board. Tell me more about kemp thinking this is Fear Mongering. What part, Amber Dying or the facts of how she died coming out . You know, i can only assume that they think talking about this case is somehow, you know, making some leap on our part. I dont know what else elected officials like Governor Kemp need to know. Were presenting the fact as the State Board presented the facts and in my the Fear Mongering you should be looked at something overblown and this is a woman who has died, one of two, at least, and we think that human, that high cost of life, is very important and not Fear Mongering. So many. This is for brian kemp, more from propublica. Within thurmans first hours at the hospital it should have been clear shefgs in danger. Medical experts told propublica. Her lower abdomen was tender. According to the summary. Her white Blood Cell Count was high and her Blood Pressure perilously low. At one point as thurman got up to go to the bathroom she fainted and hit her head. An ultrasound showed possible tissue in her uterus. If theyre afraid, welcome to being female in america. Suggesting Fear Mongering the term is typically associated with an Exaggeration Or Something that isnt happening. I would say to Governor Kemp and Johnny Mcenty i wish they were right. Tragically, for amber, and too many women, this is all way too real. Where have where have the years or the time that weve lived with this, how has the Reality Sort of caught up to the lies . It feels like they arent getting away with the disinformation. Voters know better. So if woman are called Fear Mongering im sorry. Go ahead, mini. If women are called Fear Mongering, women are called hysterical, imagine what black women in this country who are facing an incredible maternal Health Crisis are being called. Right. Its important to remember this is a community of women who are most affected by these Abortion Bans because theyre already experiencing pregnancy in a crisis. Even prior to dobbs. I just want to name that. Brian kemp has blood on his hands. Im just going to say that. Its important to understand, there is something he can do about it. He, just like the rest of his extremist party, which he tries to distinguish himself from, thats his hallmark, im not trump, they are intent to downplay the damage they have caused this country and this state. That state of georgia. They want us to be perceived as hysterical. Just a bunch of hysterical activist women, Fear Mongering, reporters are Fear Mongering. When these are Life And Death situations. Most american women who need an abortion, need Abortion Care r already mothers. We are talking about putting mothers of children in extreme danger, pregnancy, dr. Patel can say much more about this, is the most dangerous time for most american women. Most women in the world. This is unconscionable. It is disqualifying. It has to be stopped and we have to we have to mobilize and make sure people understand theres no alternate position anymore in this country. You are for restoring Abortion Rights or youre on the side of Death And Devastation for mothers in this country. All right. No one is going anywhere. Much more on how Donald Trumps Abortion Bans are gravely harming and endangering women in Red States and in parts of this country we dont talk about as much and the dire stakes of the November Election for everybody, including a vote in the senate just today, where republicans again blocked protections for ivf procedures. Later in the broadcast our good friends sue Craig And Russ will be our guests together, authors of a fantastic new book, Lucky Loser. And the deeply reported story of Donald Trumps wealth and how one of this countrys biggest failures at business lied his way all the way to the White House. Once. Deadline White House continues after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. S after a qui. 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Call today now the supreme Courts Decision it was not only a victory for the constitution, it was a victory, it was a testament to the resolve of tens of millions of pro life americans who never gave up on the calls of life. Now were united in our gratitude and in our admiration for these devoted defenders of the unborn and the judges, justices, and especially president trump. Jd vance in Georgia Yesterday celebrating Roe Being overturned and reminding voters exactly who is responsible for the constitutional right to an abortion being stripped away. First time in our Countrys History a right was taken away after 50 years. He did not address this story of amber thurman, the georgia mom, who died because of that, in his words, victory. Just this afternoon, Jd Vances fellow republicans in the United States Senate blocked a bill that would have protected access to ivf at the federal level. The vote was 5144 with republican senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska And Susan collins of maine the only republicans to support it. Jd vance did not show up. Were back. Dr. Patel, on this sliding appetite for taking away more rights and making it harder for families to turn to ivf, if infertility is a diagnosis, unlucky enough to receive, what is the what is the impact of that once youre inside an Exam Room for a couple . Yeah. I think that when someone is thinking through nobody comes into an Exam Room and wants to hear the news its going to be hard for you to have a child and so when you walk through kind of everything thats involved and depending on what state youre in now, nicole, those conversations always have a caveat because in that same conversation you have to say, well, but we dont know when someone asks, for example, could there be a problem if we go through and i need medical help. I dont know. Because some laws are not clear and even in georgia, lets be clear what happened to amber, could have happened to anyone that was experiencing a miscarriage that could have happened when they were getting an ivf, when they were having a pregnancy that did not involve anything else. This is not something that a person and a couple going through infertility this doesnt do anything to help their Health Outcomes and, in fact, we know, just studies have shown over decades having that comprehensive Health Care for anyone undergoing primary or secondary infertility, there are people who have had babies and cant they have infertility for different reasons, whatever you deny parts of access to Health Care, outcomes are worse. In this case the outcome is death. I feel like for years we have all been talking about it and made to feel like were hysterical and i hate to say it, it shouldnt take 2024 for a review from a maternal Mortality Review from georgia to give us the proof we need. Weve got proof mortality is increasing. Seeking Health Care as a woman it is more dangerous today than it was two years ago. And that is a fact. And i think that its questioned many of us who kind of work with couples or work with moms who are trying to think about having babies. Its caused us to do as you and i have spoken about, caused us to go even more early into a Mothers Journey and say if youre thinking about children, we need to think about all these things now and thats not something that we would have done had we not been in a postdobbs era. Dr. Patel, i wonder if i could tease out of you the ways that it affects some of the folks who dont think about being affected. I heard of Women In Their 20s who dont trust the government, who are seeking sterilization surgeries, well before theyre in committed relationships or interested in even contemplating whether they want to have families because they dont want to be in this position. Other women are pregnant with high risk pregnancies, who dont want to travel outside of a state with reproductive Health Care if there is any sort of crisis with their pregnancy, worried that if she ended up in a hospital in a place with a ban she couldnt receive Health Care. Tell me what are the untold Patient Stories that youve heard about . Yeah. So many people, for example, miscarriages are actually quite common. In many cases you will have women who are silently suffering went through miscarriages and as they try to get pregnant again this hangs over them. It doesnt matter what state theyre in because you dont know if youre on a trip and might need emergency care. These are women who say but if i try to have another baby theres a higher chance i might have a miscarriage and what if that miscarriage ends up In My Life because as mini pointed out many women have other children and thinking about that responsibility. I want to extend this into something that has nothing to do with reproductive care. Common conditions such as endometriosis where women can have lower abdominal pain, pain in and around the uterus in the pelvis, even women who come for things not at all related to reproductive care are scared because its somewhere around the uterus or the ovaries, they are somehow going to be labeled and that they will not be taken Care Of. I cant tell you how many women ive had that have pelvic inflammatory disease, very common conditions, nothing to do with a pregnancy who have been worried they go to an Emergency Room with Endometriosis Or Pain in their pelvic region they will not get care because of these laws. When we talk about this being Health Care its that extension i dont think people are hearing. Even worse, nicole, fewer doctors trained in this. So what were going to see two years from now is unfortunately a Propublica Study that shows we dont have qualified doctors to deal with these complications because they havent been trained in an environment to recognize them acutely. Tell me what questions remain for you in this reporting . Well, i think our questions revolve around hearing more of the stories from, you know, from families, from doctors, from Maternal Mortality boards about cases in which women have died and sort of more transparency surrounding these cases. You know, the availability of the simple surgical procedure called a dnc, the standard of care for amber, that resulted in a decline in the maternal Death Rate for women of color who are experiencing miscarriages like 40 in the first year after roe passed, so statistically, you know, its likely that there are other cases out there as we said. We are going to tell the story of another case Coming Up, in the coming days, and we would i believe The Public and, you know, needs to know what the actual toll is of these laws to make informed decisions. Its going to be on the ballot in ten states. Wear interested in bringing The Truth out. I believe that its important and we need to know as much as we can respecting privacy, but we think the transparency in this case that we were able to dig out these records is making a difference. The extraordinary body of reporting that propublica has contributed to our understanding on this issue and the supreme court and so many others is really an incredible public service. Zeva, when you have that reporting come back and talk to us, talk to mini and dr. Patel and i about it, please. Thank you all of you for starting us off this hour on this story. 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Our next guest, pulitzerprize winning journalist suzanne Craig And Russ butener puncturing that myth with their reporting out with a Brand New Book Today called Lucky Loser with the best cover ive seen in many, many years, the title Lucky Loser, how Donald Trump squandered his Fathers Fortune and created the illusion of success. In it they peel the curtain back inch by inch not just on Trumps Business failures that were funded by his father, but in how his Guiding Principle Fake it until you make it has shaped his public life and image. Quote, Donald Trump came to be imbeaued with a host of attributes that speak to how we confer for admiration and stautss you. Our tendency to conflate wealth with expertise and ability. That is the real work of this book. It is a story about Donald Trump his family, wealth, failures, but its a story about this country and how weve arrived at a moment when Donald Trump is a leading candidate for president for the third time. Suzanne and russ join us now. You have contributed so much to what we understand about the things that trump cares about most. Hes been under investigation almost since the beginning for potential ties to russia, for trying to overturn his defeat in 2020 but the reporting under his skin more than any other is the mirage that is his image of a successful businessman. Talk about the story you tell. Its incredible how much it does get under his skin and this book really tries to step back and tell the definitive story through a narrative starting with his father and the relationship with his Father And Business career and we go through decades and what you find is and we start with Fred Trump and what, you know, hes a builder, incredibly successful, and we go through the Family Struggle that landed Donald Trump ended up running the Trump Organization and started on donalds Business Career and early time in his life in the 19 in the 70s when hes in his 20s and hes already claiming in New York to be worth a couple hundred million dollars. Giving interviews to the New York times im worth 200 Million and that became a billion, and he was appropriating his fathers wealth. He had inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his father, and he gets more money from The Apprentice. The idea of his father and this relationship and how his Father Bank rolled him for years and just his just unwillingness to accept it. Its almost like he doesnt believe it himself that it happened. And it sort of became in our reporting when we talk about it the original lie. He called his father a small time guy. He said he got a small loan from him. In fact, you know, its wrong. Its a lie. He got hundreds of millions of dollars from him, and he is who he is today because of it. We also look at the Ups And Downs of that because he gets this large inheritance in addition to connections and the second Russia Money almost second inheritance from The Apprentice and the book goes into detail about that and the loser part how he lost a lot of it along the way in these businesses that were not making money. What is i mean, you know, the idea that he squandered his fathers wealth, i think the first long piece of journalism about his finances, reveals that that was such a shock to him when it was made public. Its one of the lies he fought the hardest to keep in place seemingly for his political purposes, but the book makes it deeperer, wealth and sustaining the inherited wealth and seems to be tied into everything about the trumps. Thats really interesting. Thats a good observation. I think that wealth was the currency of that family, but we saw this huge windfall that came to him that made his first rise possible. We saw through our latest reporting the second windfall from from The Apprentice and we wanted to connect that and thats the work of this book. You see this incredible cycle where these huge pots of money arrive absence of any business expertise. And then he uses that to try to look like a successful businessman. He tries to build something new, a huge Toure Tower in chicago, the worlds tallest business and tries to renovate and does the old Post Office into a hotel. Those businesses require influxes of money from those giant pots of lucky money that came his way. And there are currents that run through that of him making the same mistakes over and over again, chiefly that he believes he can spend anything to create one of these businesses because his name on it will make the Revenue Match whatever he spends and his life is sort of an Object Lesson in proving that. The what the natural extension is that the presidency, it isnt i think theres this mythology that the businesses and image of a businessman fuels the presidency, what youre left with is that the presidency is part of this project as well. Fueling the names on the building and the perception of the businesses. Thats a good really interesting. I think thats true. I think he also believes that he he is genetically superior to other people. Yes. And his judgment, theres a Turning Point in his lich in life in 1958 with Trump Tower and renovating a hotel. Hes done that with other partners and his fathers support and under the watchful eye of far more experienced people and a small crew working for him, and he suddenly believes he can do anything at that point in time. He proposes this huge project on the West Side with the tallest building in the world and seven other 76 Story Skyscrapers around it. Buys a Football Team and tells that whole league hes going to produce the networks that will stop covering the nfl and cover this upstart football league. Spends more money on a casino than anybody has. Buys an airline shuttle. It all goes bad within about six years. But he becomes calcified in that notion that what we talk to people who work for him he didnt listen, didnt want to hear what experts said and that the numbers didnt work. He believed he knew best and you see that trait become more calcified as he gets to the presidency. It is a preamble to who he is in the White House. I want to ask you what surprised you the most in reporting this out. Thats a great question. For me, as a reporter, you know, first of all, there was just a surprise at calling people to how many people hadnt been called from that era. The 1970s and 80s the tracks have been laid down for that period largely by him and a lot of stuff was wrong. Being able to phone people, it was refreshing to get new information from that era. But when you pull back, i really found surprising to me, again maybe because im a journalist, i was surprised how he was able to tell so many people that he was, you know, multi hundreds of a billionaire over and over and over, and it wasnt really questioned other than by a few reporters and, you know, it starts in publications like the times, to the Fortune 500 list, went to 60 minutes because he lived in this sort of corner of the world that was more celebrity. It was a privately held company but his ability to do that was shocking, and he brought, you know, he brought in like people like Larry King on it who enabled it. I remember there was one story that just really, really stayed with me. The lifestyles of the rich and famous with robin leach. A lot of people grew up in a certain time. It was this wealth show. Exactly. A lot of really rich people didnt want to be on it because it was like no, thank you. Ick. They loved him. He had planes. He had gold toilets. He had yachts and everything that show liked. He was on it several times. And one time they went to Atlantic City. That was great. Theres lots of noise and flashy stuff at the casino. And one of the producers, we phoned the producers of a lot of shows to talk to them about what they thought and they put him on there because he had all these Askew Traments of the wealth but they went to Atlantic City this one time and the producer said he was getting pulled over by people in Atlantic City that worked there to say do you know that Donald Trump isnt paying people here and they had the producer had a conversation with robin leach, and they cut him off the show. Even despite that, it continued. Other shows picked him up. They knew what was going on. People saw it at the time, but it still continued. I feel like there are million places to go. I have to sneak in a quick break. Well all be right back. Assistae to help provide meals for us. 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Wrote to the prosecutors, lets just do the same Thing Everybody else has the headlines and repeating the allegations that they have not allowed black people to move into the apartments. It seems to be effective. In the end after a little more than a year. That was donald really taking over his Fathers Company and the operation of it. So much of what youve reported is central to what you think is in his mind. What does around informed Electorate Need to know . Well, he presents as a hard scrabble kid up from nothing. Hes a successful businessman. We should talk about The Apprentice. He meets Mark Burnett in 2002. Hes filming survivor, in the jungle doing incredible Reality Tv Show that just took off and he wants to come back and now do something in the states. He wants to do the jungle in manhattan. He lands on Donald Trump. He looked at people like Warren Buffett and Jack Welch but they didnt have time or they werent rich enough or they either didnt have enough time or were too busy. Donald trump had the time. He wasnt a hugely successful businessman but they meet and that relationship and that show, Mark Burnett transformed him with skilled editing hands and base and they turned him from somebody at that time who was not necessarily at all very successful, his businesses were having trouble into this incred dish bring success testimony, the image that Donald Trump was successful and it led him to the White House. Imagine that . Wow. Its an incredible fete. Incredible accomplishment. Thank you for being here. Congrats on pub day. Suzanne craig, the book is Lucky Loser, how Donald Trump squandered his Fathers Fortune and created the illusion of success available today. Another break for us. Well be right back. Thanks oh hey Pickle Hi Dad i brought moms glasses from the hotel oh, great shes in the ballroom. The big one. Im Coming Up vacations are better with the credit gods are on your side. Rewards once available to the few are now accessible to the many. 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