We start this hour with some breaking news. The death toll from hurricane helene has now risen to 89. 30 of those deaths were in north carolina which has seen a record 30inches of rainfall. Nearly 2 million people are without power. And joining general honore. Good to have you on the show. Let me get your assessment from someone like you who knows the damage you're seeing right now. What do you make of the damage we're seeing across the south. Well i think you clarified the point. This was amongst the storm that attacked florida. Made its way through georgia and into north carolina and tennessee. And even parts of virginia. It's a massive storm. I dropped enormous amount of water. Not measured in inches but by a foot in some places 2foot of water dropped. It overdropped the terrain. And when you do that it's going go into the valleys. A lot of commune tips had not experienced that. And what we have seen, with condolences to everyone who lost their lives the impact of the flash flooding that has occurred. The good news is there's a lot of people working to get to them. Let's talk about the operations right now. Something you also know very well. President biden says he plans to travel to the impacted communities this week. He has always approved major disaster declarations for florida and north carolina. In your experience, sir. Are visiting like this from a sitting or former president helpful or do they hinder relief efforts on the ground and more importantly what do those relief efforts need in the immediate short term. Yeah, they're helpful. It reassures the first responders. Those governors and the promise that the federal government will do all it can to help save lives and to help with the recovery. But on the other end, recovery is a living hell. We still have people recovering from storms that happened four or five years ago. Because of the issues we're having with fema. That has to be relooked because there's some ways to automate that. I'm recommending they look at preregistering every home in america. So we know the data on it. Because finding that in south carolina is going to be hard to do with no computers. You have to start gathering that data before the events. But those visits are helpful with the visits from the presidents and governors. Everybody has to pull together and get the work done. Lieutenant russell, thank you i really appreciate that. Let me say this. The national guard is doing great work. They have 11 states supporting them with helicopters and troops. About 5,500 boats and they have the entire department of defense standing by if they need more help. At fort bragg, fort liberty and fort. It certainly looks like they're going to need it. Greatly appreciate it. Switching gears to the race for president. Back in 2015 when donald trump was first running for president he tried to assure voters repeatedly that he respects women. I cherish women. I respect women more than i respect men. Are the men insulted by that by the way. No. See they all say no. But i have great respect. Facing an uphill battle against vice president harris. He's going into that rhetoric again except it's turbo charged. You will no longer be abandoned, lonely or scared. You will no longer be in danger. You're not going to be in danger any longer. You will no longer have anxiety from all of the problems our country has today. You will be protected and i will be your protecter. Women will be happy, healthy, confident and free. Now he's ramped up his unhinged paternalistic rhetoric. Not just at rallies but also on his failed social media. Let's remember who we're talking about here. This man, the selfproclaimed protecter of women has been accused of sexual assault by 26 women since the 1970s. A man who was found liable, legal liable for sexually abusing writer e. Jean carroll. A judge finding that what he actually did was rape. The man who has been credited for overturning rowe versus wade. When you hear that record then you hear this. I'm your protecter. I want to be your protecter as president i have to be your protecter. I hope you don't make too much of it. I hope the fake news doesn't go, oh he wants to be their protecter. Well i am. Reporter: the comments don't just ring hollow they're actually sinister. He sounds like a domestic abuser says the intelligencer. Instead he insists their real problems are loneliness and abandonment. Something trump can fix if they give themselves over to him. And he can't even fathom that women wouldn't like him. I always felt women liked me. I never thought i had a problem. But the fake news keeping saying they don't like me, i don't believe it. That has helped shape his campaign strategy. He's been on what they call the dude influencer circuit. Chatting it up with logan paul, agent ross. All of them men and many of them young men and fueled by a narrow old view old world view of masculinity. 7 of the 9 podcasts have audiences that are overwhelmingly entirely men. Trump appears to also be drawing from even darker massogonistic. About j. D. Vance is on the exact same wavelength. It's no reason that they're so small minded. He has immersed in a. To help us make sense of this, author of for the love of men and msnbc political analyst she's also host of the fast politics podcast and a special correspondent for vanity fair. Do you feel protected by donald trump, molly. What kind of question is that? i'm excited to not have anxiety. What did he say? there are a lot of good promises, healthy, confident. No worries. Nobody is ever going to think about abortion again. Yes. Donald trump is clearly seeing internal polling that show that women are not having it. And this double down strategy. What trump learned in 2016 is he could get these low propensity voters out if he had a radical enough message. I think he never has gotten over that. So they're going like full white dude. Right. And full masculine guy. And they're just totally doubling down on that and now he's seeing it's turning women off. So instead of being normal he's decided he's going to say all these things about what he's going to do for women. And somehow because he's so, you know such a brilliant politician, it will make women believe it. So you bring up a really good point about the attitudes here. And i want to share this with you. Because he's actually gaining some support from women. I want to read this. 63yearold women and trump supporter saying i am a conservative and i'm a christian and i believe that a man's role is to protect women. I'm not trying to paint a broader brush. But there's people who are going to believe this and all he has to do is pick up a few votes. It's no surprise to hear a lot of women for who this message resinates. But you know, if i had to choose between being alone in a forest with a bear or donald trump, i would choose the bear every single time. And i'm sure that there are millionless millions of women across the country and the world who would feel the same way. At least if the bear attacks me he's not going to blame me for it or tell me that i'm too ugly to attack. Which is literally what donald trump has said of the women who accused him. One who won the case against him. It's like saying a fox will make sure that the hen house you know stays unharmed but the pox in this case has already wreaked havoc on the hen house and blamed the chickens for it. The irony of ironies, women, if there weren't men like donald trump in the world women wouldn't need protecting. But he's the cause and need for women's protection in today's society. It's another case of him causing the problem and framing himself as the solution to the problem. Such a good point from liz about the rhetoric being heard from trump. There's something to be said. Perhaps in a twisted way he's not just speaking to women he's actually speaking to a specific type of man. There's a man out there who's going to see that and say, hey i understand what donald trump is saying here, and i share his world view. What is implying, he's talking about women in a parental way. He's not going to media he's going on these like very male podcasts. He should be concerned about women voters that will still vote for him. Even though he bragged about rowe versus wade. I think he's just trying to pick up those voters in the margin. Your thoughts on this as well. Is making the connection between trump, vance and andrew tate and when it comes to their rhetoric. How does this fit into trump's twisted you know world view on women? yeah, thank you for connecting those two issues. So often we talk about women in one block. We talk about masculinity maybe later and these issues are really connected right. There's a lot of men who are suffering. There are a lot of men who feel alone. Who feel lost, who feel disaffected in this country. Young men are more likely to be living with their parents than women are. Young men are more likely to take their own lives than women are. So there's a real problem. And you know, to molly's point i do think women are an afterthought for trump. I think men are an afterthought sometimes for democrats. I think democrats have not gone for men. Democrats have better policies for men but they have to have a message that's as good as the one on the right. And so, i think there's a huge opportunity for democrats to own this message. And to be bold enough to speak to men and boys directly and the way the right is doing. In a way that's on the nose. And to your point in your intro. They're pouring money into this. How do you counter if you're a democrat. Because there's some ads. I will show it to you. In 2005, i went to interview donald trump at maralago. At one time melania went upstairs to change his clothes. And trump said i want to show you this beautiful painting. In this beautiful room. And trump pushed me against the wall. I was shocked and smothered. He had his hands right here on my shoulders. I felt sick inside. How effective are these ads and should we be seeing more of them? yeah, i mean, look. George conway, these are these, audience of one ads. They're meant to make trump crazy. I think this one is also to speak to trump's past. All of his accusers. But i think they are working. I do think democrats, i just want to get back to this idea of masculinity for a second. I do think that democrats have been trying to offer an alternative to this very sort of destructive masculinity we're seeing on the right being advertised. An example of that is walz. Right. Tim walz, yeah. He was in ha michigan football game. He's talking to young men. He's trying to make the case. And also, doug right. I mean, you know, the second gentleman is also trying to make a case for supporting your wife. And how you can be a masculine guy. So i do think there are end roads. It is certainly not as far along as republicans in their sort of embrace of masculinity. What do you think of that ad liz and whether or not it is effective. Because donald trump is someone who has been on the scene if you will in american political life now for close to nine years since 2015, 2016. We feel at least and i don't know if it's just us in the media but we feel we know his track record with women, we know what he's been accused of, we know the accusations and the misogyny. How do we get people to understand that you don't leave your daughter with this man. I think the fathers would also pick the bear in the woods. This is different from 2016 because he's been liable for rape. I think as much as tim walz and doug are definitely cool dudes, i don't know if they're appealing to the kind of men who are in the manosphere and who are consuming andrew tate kind of content. I think that, the kind of message that will resinate with men is maybe the importance of protecting women from men like donald trump. Or even you know a lot of the messaging we've seen kind of work is, talking about you know trump's lack of discipline. Right. His lack of masculinity. You know in a certain sense of masculine virtues traditionally. So yes it's a yes hand, we have to continue this message of telling the truth about donald trump's past and you know present. And also, i think be a little bit more savvy and a little bit more bold with the way we're not just reaching men sort of as a sub text but overtly. We're going to discuss how pregnancy is now a crime depending on where you live in america. Trains that sense what isn't on the schedule. ♪ trains that use the power of dell ai and intel. ♪ to see hundreds of miles of tracks. ♪ [vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. My moderate to severe crohn's symptoms kept me out of the picture. Now i have skyrizi. ♪ i've got places to go and i'm feeling free ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me ♪ ♪ control is everything to me ♪ and now i'm back in the picture. Feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. Skyrizi helped visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. And with skyrizi, many were in remission at 12 weeks, at 1 year, and even at 2 years. 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Pregnancy justice found a record 210 pregnant people faced criminal charges associated with pregnancy, abortion, miscarriage or birth: substance use during pregnancy while attempting to get an abortion or even research it. And get this, 90% of the cases involve statutes that don't require authorities to prove that any harm was actually done to a fetus or baby. Despite all of in, trump says you have nothing to worry about. After all according to him women won't be thinking about abortion at all if he is elected in november. Liz and molly are back with me again. I want to get your thoughts on this. Pregnancy against the law in some places. What do you think of these cases where women are getting put in prison for having a miscarriage. It's america right. A man who is a felon can run for president and a woman can go to jail for researching abortion. Even with republicans, even in prolife circles you weren't supposed to say you know that there's a punishment for the woman. You're supposed to say we'll support her and we'll help her and we're heal her. But for him to say that that was saying the quiet part outloud right. We've seen the results of his policies. And rowe being overturned. That's the consequence. If you say it's a murder, something happens to murderers in our society. There's real consequences. It makes this mystical language around abortion kind of prerowe that republicans could get away with. We love life and not really filling in the details of what that means. You know, we now know that, this is the reality of these bans. And you know, that's what has changed public opinion on abortion. You know that's why postrowe we've seen such a surge in support for abortion and people not wanting it to be legislated by the government. So it's horrifying but it's not surprising. There is now a link between prosecution. Even though it wasn't done outright, that has come to fruition by design. The two main states we're seeing this is alabama and oklahoma. These are the states where women are being held responsible for miscarriages. Where they're being criminally prosecuted for losing a fetus. I think that the most important thing about this is that it has, while many voters don't like it, on the right it has energized the movement. Now they're not satisfying with quote unquote heartbeat bills they want this embryonic person hood. Which means when an egg and sperm get together that's a person. An embryo is a person. It will mean no more ivf. Because you're killing people when you're doing ivf. No more birth control pills. No more morning after pills. This has broad sweeping circumstances. Their findings are actually an under count because they're continuing to miss cases. We're a year and a half after the dobbs decision. How much worse could this get? it will only get worse. The person hood bills are the thought that a fetus is a person. Every time i see someone really defend that, i'm like tell me you don't understand that women's bodies work without telling me that you don't know how women's bodies work. Not just ivf, plan b but also miscarriage is unfortunately a part of the process of pregnancy. 10 to 20% of pregnancies end up in miscarriage. Many women will have miscarriages without even knowing they were pregnant to begin with. To say that right that that is a person is to open up a whole bag of worms where which is what we're seeing with thousands of women already. It's based on a premise that makes no sense. It is another troubling sign of what is playing out in this country and what's at stake in november in this election. Liz, molly, thank you so much greatly appreciate it as always. I want to turn now from something trump is doing, trying to distance himself from project 2025. To do that effectively one must read the dystopian report and he will not read it. I'm going to let the states run their own education. What the hell do you have to lose, right. Trump's promise comes straight from the project 2025. His running mate j. D. Vance is being prepped for tuesday's debate against tim walz by monica crowley who is listed as a contributor in the 2025 policy book. All of this comes from, house democrats are taking that reality and running with it. House minority leader jeffries held a hearing to show discuss project 2025. Let's start with the hearing you and your colleagues held. Tell us what you did to expose trump's ties to it. So what we were trying to do is to actually bring in every day people that are going to be impacted by what project 2025 recommends. Donald trump cannot claim that he has nothing to do with it. There's 25 people that work for him helped write it and to hear what's in that report from whenever he appears at a rally you hear stuff that's in it. We just had a discussion about a woman's health and their ability to make her own decisions. But we heard people saying, he wants to repeal the affordable care act. Which is in there by the way. He has nothing that's going to replace it. Before the affordable health care act, people who had preexisting conditions could not get health insurance. And we heard about him getting rid of social security. One of the most disturbing people is that he wants to eliminate overtime. That employers would not be required to pay overtime but would require people to work overtime 50, 60, 70 hour weeks. Then he'll say, and we would not tax overtime. Well you wouldn't tax overtime because you're not going to pay it. We had a lot of real people say stories of what's in there. Very effective tactics to raise concern about what's happening. When you see what project 2025 is polling so low with voters. I think it's safe to understand why trump and republicans want to distance themselves from it. How do you and your colleagues plan to keep project 2025 at the forefront in this final sprint to the election day with 37 days or so left? we plan on talking about it. As you saw that day, we have some very effective videos that help tell the story in real people's words. Take the words that are in there. Have the experts talk about what the impact is. Members of congress among others will be hosting town halls throughout the states in the next four weeks telling the truths. Just telling people. You talk about eliminating the department of education which he talked about doing today. He doesn't say he wants to eliminate head start. He doesn't say he wants to eliminate school lunches. There are so many things that are in there that people have no idea of and yes, he does have knowledge. He does want to, project 2025 wants to eliminate the department of education. But there are such critical things that our young children depend on that he wants to eliminate too. We're going to go out and tell people the facts. The facts of what's in there and what he wants to do. Trump is trying to flip the script on project 2025 and create his own extreme agenda that he says democrats are trying to push earlier this week he posted this comical imagine of kamala harris' so called project 2025 plan which includes a list of false right wing talking points. How to you combat what appears to be trump's i know you are but what i am strategy here? look we have to really take this seriously. I'm coming up at home all weekend and i've been in a lot of places that don donald trump is coming to michigan a lot, if you haven't noticed. We have to give people the real specific examples. We have to show. You know he talks about the auto industry. He does not, when donald trump was president we lost jobs in the auto industry. He did not save it. And we, it is joe biden that has helped bring the supply back home. It is joe biden that has created more jobs. It is joe biden that supports working men and women. Joe biden wants to give billionaires tax cuts. He's going to increase taxes on every day working men and women. I have the fact and figures that i can show people. I'm going to talk to unions and i plan on doing it this month. Donald trump is spending a lot of time in michigan. I think he sees his only path to victory will have to go through michigan. What does the vice president have to do to win michigan. Do you think she's doing it. It's different challenges for her than for trump to win michigan. Look, it's a very complicated time in michigan. We both know that. And both i have to remind, you talked about the second issue. You need to remind people that the first thing donald trump wanted to do was deport a lot of people. I will never forget the spontaneous rally. People from all over michigan that came in. She's going to come in. She's got to talk about the economy, how she does understand that people are concerned about how much groceries cost. About how they can't find affordable housing. Which is one of the very first issues she tackled when she got the nomination. Beyond that she has to just get in there and talk about manufacturing. Talking about keeping jobs here not letting china take those jobs. Taking stalanis on for wanting to move jobs to mexico. She is one of the 10 senators i didn't vote the same way she did and that was because i worked hard on it but it wasn't perfect. She voted against the usmca because she didn't think it had gone far enough. We were to try to improve it but we made sure there was an off ramp. So she's got to come in here and talk the talk on those issues. Next up a humanitarian disaster that has flown under the radar, until now. What the biggest companies deliver is exceptional customer experience. 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In her village of sudan, five of suiman's brothers were killed in a single day. She says a malitia lined up men and boys and executed them. A one dayold infant was thrown on the ground and a 3 yearold was thrown into a pond to drown. And women were raped. She was almost raped. They beat her, they beat her very young children. They tried to rape her. They tortured her husband. And she told me in words i will not forget. Are we not humans. Reporter: mariam is one of 10 million people who have been displaced from their homes. Half of the population are facing crisis levels of hunger. The people of sudan had already been experiencing record levels of violence and displacement for decades. But over the last 17 months, a bitter civil war has broken out between the sudanese armed forces and the rapid support forces. Two armed groups that have both been accused of human rights abuses by the united nations. I wanted to start with the latest developments i believe thursday the sudanese launched an operation to try to retake the capital. This is the largest operation since the war began. What are you hearing from your sources about those conditions. We're hearing that a lot of people in the capital are now in areas that have been taken by the army. This is a large escalation. So the death toll of civilians could also see that rise sharply. The rumor mill has been arise. There are rumors that the military has taken large pieces of land, strategically key pieces of land. We're hearing from the ground that's not the case. I think that will be the way in the next few days. This is a war of attrition. We're going to have the army taking back land. And the people are stuck in the middle while this is reached. Do you have a sense of how intense the fighting is. What the conditions on the ground are. Are people able to access basic necessities whether it be food, medicines, what are you hearing about the humanitarian conditions. Sudan's war started in the capital and the capital was hit hard and hit hardest. Sudan has a very centralized state. Every system, every type of infrastructure has disintegrated realtime. The education system, every kind of supply chain whether it's medicine, whether it's food have all been impacted by the war. So the current situation is reaching everyone. Even in areas that are away from the front line. What we're seeing is while some markets have been able to open in some cases reopen. Hospitals are still largely closed. Schools are still largely closed. Sudan has the largest population of people in the world who are out of schooling and out of education at least 19 million children. That's the kind of scale you have because this is mostly a war that started out in the center. The saf military leader was here speaking at the u. N. General assembly this week. I want to play for you and our viewers what he said then i will get your reaction. With an attempt an attempt to seize power through force. With time it's transformed into a total war against the sudanese state and sudanese people. Displaitment and genocide. What should be considered a terrorist group. What do you make of the general's statement there? i don't think there's anything surprising in his speech. He focused on the role of the emirates and fueling the fighting and causing the rsf. Spoke very little about the country supporting him in the gulf region. He highlighted the role of the rsf in sort of genocide of course. We know that both his forces, the sudanese forces and rsf were leading with genocide 20 years ago. It was important to frame this was an issue of the rsf and not security states of the former president. And this important for him to come into new york in on the world stage and have this military offensive that was reasonably successful on day one. I think to appear as presidential as he wants to be, we need to see him do sphr like opening access to aid. Lowering the impediments for humanitarian agencies to deliver aid and to stop the crack down on first responders particularly. You had president biden this week speaking out about the situation that is taking place there in sudan. You have this week also as you mentioned the emirates designated as an official defense partner. You know, american officials have linked the emirates to the rsf with providing military support and intelligence. How do you square what president biden is doing and what he's saying when it comes to sudan? i think it's very difficult to square it. I think americans will find it very difficult to frame themselves as a neutral arbitror. They saw this as the u. S. Effectively handing over their u. S. Foreign policy on sudan to the uae. Which we know the un has said different media publications have proven that the united nations are supporting. How can the u. S. Really position themselves as an entity that can bring both of these generals to the table and toward peace. It's important to know it's not just the uae that is playing this role. We see powers the saudis, the qataris. We're trying to get the region in sudan. Sudan is a theater of war for them in this current moment. The resolution does not just rely on the generals coming to the table. The many proxy wars that are playing out in the region. Thank you so much, i greatly appreciate your time and insights this evening. Thank you. Or a. . . People person. But he is an i can solve this in 4 different ways person. And that person. . . Is impossible to replace. You need clem. Clem needs benefits. Work with principal so we can help you help clem with a retirement and benefits plan that's right for him. 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Elections aren't just every four years or every three years, that they're every year and every vote matters. Beyo nce or megan the stallion. Wow. If i can add one more. Of course. Willie nelson. I never seen my living society acknowledge me for who i really am. Blasts continue across ukraine as the russian assault enters its fourth day. You shared a video showing what appears to be a mass grave. Avalne was the person that putin feared most and this waoáebg week he died in a siberian prison. If you don't think this will lead to abortion ban nationwide, you haven't been paying attention. I don't know why more men are speaking out. We all have mothers, wives and daughters and sisters. It's a derangement syndrome that has infected the gop called the authoritarian. Strikes from israel have continued throughout the night. The palestinian group started a retaliatory assault. At the end of the day, i came back. Carrying out my tasks and job. 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