Hello, im Chris Williamson and this is palestine declassified where we investigate the israeli regimes global war against solidarity with the illegally occupied people of palestine. The disquect between political leaders and the general public in the collective west could not be starker when it comes to support for palestinian people. Despite israels war crimes and fold before our very eyes, politicians in the uk. United states and europe have continued to offer moral and practical port to the zientity. These partitions have even tried to suppress solidarity with gaza a time when israel is engaged in a genocide. Well be discussing these developments after this report byifakra. The cowardly israeli army only hits from the sky because the jailer cannot face its prisoner and razza still stands. Gaza has been constructed and deconstructed by israel over the years as a laboratory of fractionless occupation, meaning people. Are hunted by israeli controlled machines that determine their right to life. Israel cuts off the water, fuel and electricity from ghaza as a form of collective punishment condemned by the Geneva Conventions. Do you see this clarity, the wonded nation of ours . This is why we must resist, while joe biden and others launder the lies of the occupier and seek to beautify the image of murderers, ghaza still stands. Ghaza has taught us all humanity, the lines have never been clearer. Gaz will write its name and blood. Not tears, when the chance came at the United Nations to call for seasfire as suggested by russia, only four nations voted against it, effectively blocking the motions, those nations were states, britain, france and japan. The day after that motion was voted against, israel bombed the Baptist Hospital in gaz, killing up to a thousand people, many were displaced and sheltering, many others were patients and many were children. Israel had bombed the hospital four days earlier, injuring doctors who were struggling to save. The following three consecutive days israel warned the hospital that it must evacuate because israel would burn it. In the aftermath, israeli digital spokes and jubilant about the strike, however he quickly withdrew back the tweet and israel posted its propaganda infrastructure with the notion that the bomb had not come from israeli air forces. Lies upon lies institued all aimed at weakening people for Palestinian Resistance forces. Sleep not israel, the world has seen your face. As always joined by our resident of expert david miller, davids academic and a former professor at Bristol University and is now a nonresident Senior Research fellow at the center of islam and global at istanbul moium university. Hes also a codirector of lobbying spinwatch, and hes a leading british scholarly critic of israel. Im pleased to welcome back richard medhest once again as our guest today, and he joins us via skype. Richard is an independent investigative journalist focusing on us politics, international. The middle east and during the song fight against extradition to the United States for exposing us war crimes in iraq. Richards built a large following on his Youtube Channel and his work has also been published on Numerous International news outlets including the black agenda report, press tv, almead and the canary. Welcome to the show. David, israels bombed hospitals, schools, mosks, a church, president ial buildings. I mean, what does he say about israels strategy here . Well we can see straight away cant we that this is not what of israel says its doing, it says its trying to defeat hamas and of course what its trying to do is to bomb gaza into this age and indeed to try and kill so many people. That theres no viable population there and force the rest of them out into sai, they want them to leave into sin so that they can reoccupy the strip and uh the palestinians back in it so there would be being expelled into gaza and now the tr to expell them so this is the the objective this is the second ac the killing or expulsion of the nothing to do with attempting to target ham havent done that yet because one they doing it. Because they will lose so many soldiers and two because the americans are so are not convinced that the idf, the socalled idf is capable of launching ground offensive, so thats what the doing, the deciding instead to take revenge on the ordinary people of gaza. Well, richard, i wonder whether you might just say a word to about britains role in this. Well, yesterday there was a vote in the Un Security Council about whether. They could come to an agreement uh, they could agree a resolution to call a seasfire, just a simple seasfire, and of course, our representative um at the un in new york decided to to um support the us resolution, while vetowing everything that russians had proposed, now there is no difference between the us text and the russian text, the only the only tiny tiny spec of difference was that the russian text did not, explicitly call for uh um. Uh you underscoring israels right to selfdefense um which is of course a phrase that is always used to kind of um you know to silence the palestinian right to selfdefense and uphold what israel is doing in um in palestine which is i mean to call that selfdefense youre bombing hospitals and churches and mosks uh is lunacy so you find its really telling that usually israel of course goes into and they and they they vomit they kill thousands of people and the world looks the other way but in the other in the other conflicts we we made the pretence of at least calling for a c this time were not even bothering to do that, we were just you know publicly saying that yeah everything israel is doing its behavior is fine um and it should continue doing that and at the same time on the hot front so uh not not just on International Stage but on the home front people in the uk are being properized uh like you would not believe mean i was just watching sky news now and they were questioning the death figures you know like so they they obviously on and justify killing 2000 children uh because that doesnt work to call them hamas fighters right . So they they just start saying well the figures are correct because the ghaza Health Ministry is run by hamas, yes well hamas are the government there, but hamas just fake numbers, so you know this is the level of propaganda people in the uk are subjected to, but it is good and and and it is good to underscore the fact that hundreds of thousands of people are taking to the streets, so it seems like the propaganda is not working, it work you know with our ambassador, its not going to work and stop people from coming out in their hundred thousand yeah yeah david whats the significance of the Us Delta Force here because they were key werent they in the assassination of kasim salim thats right and they seem to be uh directly involved in gaza they seem to be involved in this uh plan to flood the tunnels the hamamas tunnels with invagent which is truly extraordinary it is extraordinary thing which they seem to but they were also involved in the incussion small incussions into. By the Israeli Offense forces and delta for seem to have been involved in that and there seems to be in particular an ambush by resistance f and many of the soldier involved possibly the us were actually caught in that ambush seriously would and had draw so theres an indication here that the soldiers are directly involved in conf the resistance that isnt going to go well then when when it kicks off way no indeed well i know that youve spoken out about israel before havent you, but what do you think this latest episode in ga tells us out . Well, this term christian zinius always confused me, and as we the United States among evangelicals or some evangelicals, um, they theyve always used um support for israel as as means to up votes, right . So this is voter base one must cate to, if running for you, for president or other. Um uh houses in in uh and and offices in the United States, so um the fact that israel bombed the Oldest Church in gaza, i mean this thing has been there since the fifth century, it survived, it survived every crusade, it survived 1,600 years of various occupations and invasions, but it couldnt survive israel, and these called you know christian zionists in america had nothing to say about it, they had nothing to say about israel destroying this church and not only the building, importantly killing worshippers that were inside uh some of those worshippers that were killed uh are actually related to someones in the us congress, im of course you know he cannot speak out. Because hell probably lose his job, but i think its so telling and im still you, i find this bewildering, but what exactly is christian, quote and quote about anything that israel does, i mean um, they think that uh if they they look at the bible and and they you start reading the Old Testament that they can find reasons to justify, these two things have nothing to do with each other, and and you know, if we look at the 10 commandments, one the most important one is that shall not kill, i wish the israelis and the zianist christians and the United States would actually apply that. Part instead of just cherry picking ones that they like, everything that israel does, israels behavior has nothing to do with judaism, islam, christianity, and all of these religions come from palestine, yes, absolutely, i mean, richard would just say, found it bewildering, but um, you know, the archbis of canterby, justin welby, spoken out in support of of is, hasnt he, and hes also a president isnt he, of the count of christians and jews, i mean, about that organization, well castle for christian to jews is a Zionist Organization set up by key zionist 2016 and its its there to propagandize uh the zionist message within Christian Community and indeed the Muslim Community they brought in one of the alleged cofounders but is run by was run by sturg and he also runs a number of other groups including one weve talked about this program before four for discussion of israel palestine which during the last ghaza uh um confrontation was sending the people into schools to lie to School Children about what was happening in gaza and to pretend that there was a there was both sides here, there was a conflict, this wasnt just an occupation, a colonial occupation at that, this is a longterm science lobby group, we should remember that the science have trying to infiltrate whole range of of groups in the society, in order then these things come around, there is no one to speak out for the people who are being oppressed, no indeed as weve reported on on this show on numerous occasions i but just going to have to pause the discussion there for moment as weve got an expose now on hananya nafti. Ho is influential zionist, social media influencer, who also worked as social Media Advisor to benyamin yahoo hanania naftale was one of the first to claim the hospital bombing in gaza for the Occupation Forces on october 17, he posted on x that they struck a hamas terrorist base inside hospital. Shortly after he deleted the post. I missingly shared this information. I apologize for this error, as the idea does not bomb. Hospitals, hanania likes to mislead on his origins, here he is on the 15th of october, falsely claiming to have been born and raised israel. He has been making this claim for years, such as here, back in 2014, where he claims to be native born israel. In fact, he is the child of russian colonist, born in safford, he grew up in what is samaria, an illegal settlement on palestinian land, not in israel. Naftali also like to pretend hes a. Civilian, social media influencer, he described himself as media personality, im that israeli who talks to the camera about peace in the middle east, he says, hanania and his wife, india is an american settlecolist shock video together in their personal bomb shelter on the 7th of october, which reportedly went viral on social media, in it he claimed simply to be a civilian, but his back story indicates that this is a lie, these explosions are. Rockets that were meant to hit us, civilians. In fact, naftali helped terrorize palestinians in the Occupation Forces during 2014s operation protective edge. He was also involved in the regime operation, patch fighters, including from nosra, the syrian affiliate of alqaeda, and send them back to the regime change operation, targeting the Syrian Government. He remained in the reserves ever since. Netanyahu hired him in 2018 as social. Media advisor, when he married his wife, india, netanyahu himself gave a speech, he posted his tweet on the hospital bombing on the 17th, he was still claiming to be a civilian, but it is clear from all the social media posts that he had said october the 9th on x, that he was recently called up to fight, he said an october the 14th video that he had already been called by netanyahu joined a task force to defend israel in the media, perhaps his worst intervention was also hastily removed from the internet, but not before it was screen grabbed and posted online. On his farcy language x account, he posted a photo of dead palestinian children with the message, the world should thank us for destroying these little time bombs. In fact, were preventing similar events from happening to other nations in the coming years. The idea of children as time bombs is not an aberation of nostallist thinking. It is deeply engained in zist propaganda, as can be seen in this image of a. On the campus the interdisciplinary sent to israels only private university from back in 2009. The war room was created by stand with us, a group created the. Help from the ministry of foreign affairs. The poster in background ask if the child in the picture will grow up to be doctor, teacher or a terrorist. Of course, whichever it is, they will be targeted by this Occupation Forces. Hey, this naftely character presents himself as as a journalist and social media influencer, doesnt he . But is it the truth that that hes actually p propagandist for the design entity . Well, hes a pe propagandast, but hes also of course in the israel occupation. Forces directly, was involved in a tank regiment, terrorizing gaza, was involved in sending sending nuza back into the fight against the president assad of sir, and here he is in his his uniform, at the same time as he still pressing himself on his ex or formal twitter account as being a social media influence of a civilian, these are lies, its a strategic lie which the israelis try and tell all the time, which is that people who are being killed in the conflict are civilians, but as we see in this example and many many other example. These people are either directly in the Occupation Forces or are reserved in the Occupation Forces and of course remember there are settler militia which are bare arms palestinians are to bear arms of course but the set are to bear arms and theyre of course protected also by the armed israel Occupation Forces so this is key element of the propaganda is suggest that the people in in israel as its called are civilians and theyre just being targeted by terrorists actually look this is a highly society of course of course but richard what whats your assessment . Of what happened in the hospital boming and what do you think it says about the ziin strategy in gaza . Well if i if i could just add a short comment about the propagandas we were looking at, um, you know, he really dressed up the uniform of the israeli Occupation Forces, if this were the Spokes Person or or someone doing any any form of of what hes doing for lets say hamas or for the Syrian Government or for iran or for allah, the israelis would not hesitate to kill that person and then tell the whole. That this person was a terrorist sp double standard there is is blistering. Now about the hospital uh, mean this is truly the most agressive, the most aggreous offenses the israelis have committeed in this entire conflict, since alaqsa flood began on october 7th, mean how do you bom a hospital and get away with that . How how do you kill 500 people . You extinguish the lives of 500 people in one swoop and and get away with this, this is bewildering and its like an orchestra, a symphony of. News organizations rushing to to regurgitate what the Israeli Foreign ministry are saying that yeah this was a hamas rocket where is the proof . The israelis release some shady blurry video that does not prove a thing and we all know the only people that have the ordinances, the payloads, the bombs capable of destroying hospital like that are none other than the israelis. This was not angolas air force bombing gaza, you know it wasnt china, it wasnt brazil, it was the israelis and theyre doing it with our munitions and munitions from the americans, and that is the stain upon all of us. Yes, absolutely. Well, david, i mean, this, this repugnant idea that somehow babies are are time bombs. I mean, thats not a new theme, is it in zinis propaganda . Its not new, and it goes right across the whole range of different science organizations, so the example we saw there was uh was stand with us where they had these war rooms, the pioneered in the Interdisciplinary Center in hertselia in 2009, 10, 11, which was run with the Interdisciplinary Center which of course is places for Israeli Elite forces and for intelligence operations and uh some with us of course was set up with help from the ministry of for affairs, but its also the kind of idea you get inside the the religious settlers including the top youth, one of the keyshivas there uh with the rabbies there wrote this thing called the kings tour weve talked where they talk about how permissible to kill palestinian babies because they might grow up to threaten us one day exact replica the. A thing of the the time bomb or the question youve got to ask there is this going to grow up to be a terrorist or doctor or teacher and of course actually doesnt make any difference what the grow up to because israels will kill all thats thats thats the key thing thats the tragic thing yeah well rigid mean youve had your Youtube Channeltized over the hospital b mean just about that with you well this is part of a larger trend to just silence um anyone whos critical of israel um a professor david miller can attest that uh because he was he was targeted by the zinest lobby uh my channel this is the second time that theyve targeted um my journalism the first time was in20 uh that that thats when i was first demonetized and um and behold what was doing um during this period it was doing the abraham records and i was criticizing the Abraham Accords and try and grab more territory from the west bank and so now they theyve demonetized my channel without really telling me why you know i still dont even know what what i said that is wrong, did i make factual error, i i dont know, ive been trying now for years actually to avoid showing anything worry on purpose, so so you you i dont afford the. Possibility to do Something Like this and and even that is actually because its its not that were interested in showing people these horrific scenes from god we must show them so people know the truth, i dont understand why its okay for israel to butter people, but we cant tell people about the butchering, we cant show it to them, lest we be punished by the algorithm or through censorship, and once again i the whole time i tried my best to you phrase very clearly. Through the Geneva Convention and the un charter uh, but i still dont know why. The only thing i do know is i was covering israels in gaza and now they took away my primary source of income, so theres european prew. Oh, indeed, indeed, indeed, i mean, i wonder what you might just sort of give us a view on whether this assault on goz is actually wiping out hamas, well the thing we always remember whenever you are question about hamas is, do you mean hamas . Do they mean hamas, or do they mean the pfl . Or do they mean the Democratic Front for the liberation Islamic Jihad or indeed the arm doing fat now who do they mean that trying to is it whole the Palestinian Resistance well thats kind of what theyre saying but is actually doing that no of course targeting civilians punishing children and thats what what theyre actually doing but have they significantly degraded the capability of Palestinian Resistance no they havent and they remain there ready and theyre still firing rockets and missiles from gaza but lets also remember that the the ex existential issue they face is if they go in there, they go in in the ground in in gaza, they will lose thousands and thousands and thousands of their soldiers, and of course the difficulty is theyve got a second front on the northern border, have taken out significant numbers of of tanks and almost all the surveillance equipment which is on the border there, and that of course is much more significant military threat to them, pass, the pflp, dflp and palestinian had are very significant, but is even more of a threat and they cant fight on front at the same time. No, indeed, well, im afraid thats all weve got time for today, so let me thank our guest, richard vest, and of course our expert professor david, palesty classified will be back next week with more forensic investigations and analysis, and dont forget to share todays program on your social media platforms to help us to continue rowing our audience and spreading the truth about the ongoing situation in gaza and occupied palestine, and remember you can follow the show on facebook, twitter and telegram where we post regular clips and updates, so until next time, this is Chris Williams say, bye for now. Crisis, devastating wars, terrorism, the israeli lobby, crackdown, diplomacy, is gaza, make sure to join the show from facebook, twitter, only on press the. See headlines israel is pounding the besieg gaza trip from the airs ground with Resistance Forces repelling and bading tanks. 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