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Of the hands of their parents in the kingdom they join a growing number of women looking for a way out of the gulf. Next news update in just one hours time but 1st an international on the u. K. And ireland it is renegade there with. The trumpeting ministration again obsessed with. A rand is simply to blame for everything under the sun and then john bolton or his days at the National Security council member. Crosscutting some will news im joined by my guest here in moscow dimitri bobbitt shes a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project and in london we crossed the charles shoe bridge he is a security analyst and a former u. K. Army and Counter Terrorism Intelligence Officer originally crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate im going to charles 1st and in london lets talk about mike pompei are a young facially his title is secretary of state but isnt he really turning into the minister of mis and disempower mation this whole approach to the media explaining what happened in the gulf of oman the attack on 2 or oil tankers both actually going to japan wow remarkably there you chad vinnies Prime Minister was meeting with the iranian leadership and this is what my poem peo had to say to the media this is based on intelligence the weapons used the level of expertise needed to execute the operation recent similar iranian attacks on shipping and the fact that no proxy Group Operating in the area has the resources and the proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication he further on further on he said taken as a whole these unprovoked attacks unprovoked underline present a clear threat to International Peace and security then charles he left and didnt answer a question from the media no facts no forensic evidence whatsoever hes sure. And the media for the most part is following his lead your reaction charles yes i mean weve seen this playbook before multiple occasions and will continue to do so were seeing a situation here where theyve presented to us has presented no credible evidence for its position and i think its theyve presented a very grainy video that shows allegedly olympic mine im using that terminology being removed from a ship by what he alleges to be Iranian Forces but this was of course was several hours after the attacks allegedly took place and i dont think anybody anywhere around the world would suggest that as a matter of logic let alone forensic evidence certainly admissible evidence that would be in any kind of tribe you know without evidence of somebody removing. Unexploded device perhaps removing it for evidence gathering reasons or to perhaps make that vessel safe would be evidence conclusive evidence that they actually planted the device otherwise you get bomb disposal teams around the world being arrested for planting the bombs that they actually had before so that is the only evidence socalled evidence presented so far and i think and i think its very significant i think that this stage couple of days or to several days down the line from this incident is very serious incident and yet there are very very few countries around the world that are backing the u. S. And now also the u. K. Version of events there almost certainly in the u. K. Version and certainly in the u. S. Version that iran was responsible for that and even the closest u. S. U. K. Allies are not at the moment back in this position and hardly surprisingly because 1st of all the evidence isnt there to support that accusation and secondly theres any number of motives and means of other countries in the area particularly the u. S. Israel of course saudi arabia and he who could be responsible for this incident and have the motive to be you know lets go back to probably the worst moment in Colin Powells life when he was presenting false evidence based on false intel. And the run up to the war illegal war against iraq now they dont even go through the pretense do they they dont even put on a show like colin powell did i mean if you make a claim without evidence and then you dont even accept questions from the media i mean this is a real evolution but in the wrong direction i would say absolutely well the problem is that the quality of the photos gets wars and wars you have 50 and fuzzier photos you have of your footage but the United States is so used to all the allies immediately accepting the events that they dont have a plan b. I mean instead of explaining where these to be do it came from bell just dublin dont own it you know lets look at it from the perspective iran was exporting in 2m1x63w3w barrels a day right now its exporting around 500006. 00 times less so of course iran is interested in. Leaving the sanctions in making them softer thats why the invited and they receive this japanese Prime Minister for the 1st time in decades right and why would they attack a drop in your parade to tanker oh i think the moment when they have their best camper you could be a coincidence absolutely absolutely so its you know where ive been sold very badly story by michael by john bolton. You know these people i think they go they go to kind of jaded by the new understanding of nato said it derek yes it was said recently on r t before when nato was founded the principle was that and that theyre against isnt that they all know its an aggression or von remember the United States against another country and everyone has said we want to do. Participate you know they formulate it in a slightly different form a threat is a threat to everyone well being aggressive countries are always threatened so suddenly all these countries and they all understand that they will have to take part if indeed the mass stops go back to london charles its one of the interesting things before i sat down to do this program with you and diem or as i looked at the reaction to western media including in the u. K. And it seems to me if you read the headlines that the administration is getting a free pass i mean theres very little doubt the seem to just accept the fact that the state department is making this claim because well particularly in the United States has been a very anti iran media for decades my entire life and sensually. This is so remarkable for me because its a repeat of 2003 people just giving power a pass and you would have thought you would have hoped that they would be different this time but it doesnt seem that way does it. There is some evidence i think some examples of where there is a bit of a push back but i think the reason for that is because the media in the us particularly of course is conflicted it is very anti iran and its very pro should we say for want of a better phrase pro deeps or Security State the us Security State of course wants to promote conflict or at least confrontation with countries such as iran of course lets not forget that iran is the most feared enemy of the closest u. S. Ally which of course is israel and that is largely of course whats going on behind the scenes here together with the influence of saudi arabia again another country that has great influence in the us media but the same time not only does the u. S. Media of course support the u. S. Security state and the u. S. Foreign policy as you mention or really unquestionably or unquestioningly but they also dont like trump particulars and yeah sure and so you have got a couple of instances for example c. N. N. Mentioned n. P. R. Mentioned that if they have at least mentioned in some cases that. Pump a was made a statement without producing any evidence and that itself is a glimmer of hope that at least to some degree the administration is being held to account that isnt happening in the u. K. I would add the u. K. Simply media largely just from trumpets what the u. K. Phone secretary is saying which of course is to back the u. S. Position unquestioningly but what you have got of course is that itll be interesting to see how this evolves over time because if of course any conflict should break out or further incidents or most certainly of course even those few voices of question in the u. S. Media now which are driven not by i think a desire to achieve the truth but a desire to undermine trump himself will be interesting to see how that pans out you know charles city it seems to me and we have these. Tankers being attacked i think its safe to assume without evidence one can make the claim that this is a false flag and im perfectly willing to entertain that the rainy. Were involved if evidence is produced i mean i have an open mind here but the perpetrators of this have a goal and i would imagine that they havent achieved their goal so we could expect more incidents like this to happen and it probably very very soon charles. No youre absolutely right i think that needs to be understood that this is just the start of a campaign i mean you it sounds as though youve got some frustration for example on the part of the saudi leadership the that is in the last couple of days come out with comments suggesting that perhaps theyre frustrated that no action is taken place so far that they want some action to occur while also saying of course they dont want to general war regardless of the fact that any u. S. Action against a military action against iran is likely to be reciprocated responded to and likely to of course escalate rapidly but what youve got is a situation here where perhaps its difficult to again as so often and not just under trump but also under obama to determine what the true nature of the u. S. Foreign policy in this case is i mean its not a coherent beast as weve often said before the u. S. Foreign policy and so it may be that what weve got here trump is actually perhaps using bolton as his attack dog to make these statements perhaps to turn a blind eye to things that perhaps even the pentagon of the cia are organizing or at least complicit with behind the scenes and here im referring perhaps to the possibility of false flag attacks or incidents with a view to pressuring iran to enter into some kind of negotiation with trump so that he can then better obamas deal as he would like to see it but of course its a very dangerous game to play of course back in to your introduction peter where you mentioned how long has how long indeed has. John bolton got to go in all of this what were going to be talking about john bolton is going to have for the program or. Do you think that the iranians will be tricked into some kind of reaction. How much how much can you take before you have to react with. Rouhani basically dismissed all that. He said that. Remains you laid critic committed to the. Plan of action g p c or wait when are the participate in fulfilling their commitments so i think. Its a warning in fact. I think the best assessment of the situation was given by Daniel Ellsberg you know the man who published the pentagon papers you real quick the recent ones yes. Then your most books said that this is the same evidence that we had with. Him with a smoking gun in iraq and again it could be a precursor to wall i think thats a good warning from daniel well ok were going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news today with our. 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And now to athens where were joined by alex cricinfo he is the director and writer for the duran dot com alex its talk about john bolton the the evil twin of mike pompei oh theres been a lot of chatter i think it was john kerry alcuin the Consortium News dot com wrote an excellent article about the in the last few days john bolton i think john bolton is a fascinating character because he serves as a kind of for oil inside the Trump Administration in a very bizarre way kind of shielding trump in one sense and endangering him in another your thoughts. Yes actually i agree with that assessment and you know i think that the bolton for me the Trump Administration peter trump is a person ive never thought of trump to want people that you know push against him and i think that bolton definitely pushes against him and takes it even further that he sabotages him maybe both and thinks hes sabotaging him for the good of the country and for the good of america or for the good of hes a world view because baltimore and the good of john bolton. To be bolted to world view its pretty twisty. Good but either way you know theres no doubt that bolton definitely pushes against how trump sees things and many ways he sabotage just him and i think the point where trump kind of saw you know what this guy is not going to fit into my administration was actually north korea and i think the point set out in his article that you sent me peter i think north korea was that was the point where trump was putting a lot at stake to get a deal with north korea and bolton for all of that and i think that was the turning point as to how long bolt is going to stay there mr a should now or were counting down the days who knows it cant for me it cant come soon enough. Its very interesting is because trump looks like a dove compared to pump a oh and to bolton is that intentional because im beginning to think hes saying hes coming to eat distancing himself from his own 4 administrations Foreign Policy because hell come out in the rose garden say well i dont think thats true and i dont think theres going to be a war and its absolutely in contradiction to what his underlings are doing is this a strategy or is this just serendipity well i think that whats going on is very interesting because we see the inner workings of the machine that started towards in yugoslavia in iraq because because of that unfortunate election of 2016 which i think was very fortunate for the world we have basically 2 parts of this machine fighting each other so basically what happened is that we have not only a hawk but a warmonger named john bolton left me cold him on iran you know his message to the iranians on the 40th anniversary of their revolution i dont think youll have many more diverse areas to enjoy isnt it the threat of war isnt it pretty heated by the u. N. Charter i dont think that trump really wants war just recently hes stunned in relation to the faux news you know we. Do have military Industrial Complex and they do i call it wasnt it a revelation right and because because the democrats the liberal establishment which is still running the country because the country gave that victory in 2016 they now throw all criticism at bolton and compare using the congress using the media that would have happened if he were clinton had been in power if she had been elected would have a war in iraq right now war in iraq or in iran right now but you know now i just rub my eyes you know i cant imagine it in the chorus there. Services Committee Chairman adam smith promised to prevent an Unconstitutional War in iran but with all the legal Trump Administration on he says he wants it so the war in yugoslavia the war in iraq were not more constitutional than this one but because of the state between the 2 camps between the 2 groups of very dangerous people in washington we have the machine exposed we can see the levers moving you know we can see how compel unbolted really want a war you know and the other side you know they just dont want to allow trump to get the benefits of victory you know. Ive been under the working assumption that trump is basically outsourced his Foreign Policy to these 2 characters here with the. Dont start a new war ok because i term seems to be very very sensitive to that Campaign Promise so this is where the tension is go ahead as escalate but dont cross the line because as carry out to put it in his article he believes in loyalty most 1st and foremost and that loyalty means getting him reelected he doesnt care about the consequences he cares about the goal alex. Yeah i agree with that as well i think that trump knows that the only way when one of the main ways someone say the only way the main way that hes going to lose 2020 at this point is if he gets bogged down in a war in a war with iran is going to get very very messy no one wants it none of his voters want it at all thats thats for thats for sure so i think trump knows that and i also think youre right peter that he gave tom pailin bolton a lot of leeway but he says dont start a war the problem is that bolton and pompei especially bolton wanted to start a war wants to start a war and will start a war and i think theres no doubt about it and hes wanted for a very very long i mean this is this is his resume and thats his resume right there. Really this was his opportunity this was his opportunity is going to take it alex it seems to me also is that he wants bolton to be the fall guy i mean trump is good when dealing with people what is good it wants to do is because its very interesting trump keeps saying the iranians can call him i mean this is the classical Good Cop Bad Cop but trump has positioned himself saying hey im open im open to a conversation of course bolton isnt is that get out of jail free card if things go south. I hope so i mean the fact that trump says that i think is is a good sign i mean you know and anyway to open up some dialogue here is a good sign i think that bolton wants to shut down any type of dialogue now is both going to become the fall guy lets hope that he does become the fall guy and lets just hope that it doesnt escalate because what i see going on here is we had an attack about a month ago the same type of all tanker attack we have another one expect a 3rd one peter and this is the pattern weve seen in syria with 3 Chemical Attacks we saw this with iraq w m ds we saw this in libya theres always that little escalation step by step incremental war its incremental its manufacturing consent and they do it piece by piece by piece until they get to the 3rd or 4th attack and then trumps hand is forced to do something exactly you know they want. Bolton in pompei and they want to have an International Consensus against iran its not working is it i mean of course the spineless brits in line immediately the the europeans are are showing a lot more skepticism for a change in stepping up and saying we dont see the evidence that iran is escalating here that this is this is very very troublesome for the trumpet ministration because they theyre used to people getting in line and getting in line fast well the United States is used to it just ministration but in fact i think the europeans would not be object and if it hadnt been for that position inside the United States in the media in the congress but that doesnt mean that. Its just you know the allness the owners of American Media they remind me of the directors in russia in the theater of the 20th century they send these messages to their practice that journalists are you know and you have them explain to us why that dont and suddenly become dull of the Washington Post which doll to that. Claim that they have tagged by taliban in eastern kabul or the. 31st of may peter and 4 civilians that this attack Michael Vaughan bell claim that they said that was instigated by iran yeah well fought for for michael was information iran is an enemy of taliban they have been a nords for many years you know theyre the diverse aris but pump you know he is so used to that you know. Being connected to their. 11911 terrorist act. The u. S. Media lived above 100000 course of any unskilled and the european media and the public in the United States and in europe want it you know wanted. To go i can sing that and know there is a message or visiting from the Washington Post and they are all over the wall street journal and theyre all of us know where the dollar will. Suddenly fall and the experts who know that is not a friend of iran they would have fallen down if hillary had thought that an attack against iran but now theyre in the mall so theyre searching for. Theyre searching for evidence and they find it surprising though that i mean all they have to do that in fact. I think whats really interesting here is that given the anti iran sentiment that bolton has had for such a very long time. That he sees himself as a man in a hurry to make history because i dont think he cares about trump i dont think he cares about trumps legacy i dont think even cares much about american interests this is part of his d. N. A. And that is the reason why hes going to stick it out to the last 2nd until you know the throne out of his office i think this is whats in play yeah absolutely i mean we saw that it with north korea too didnt we peter i mean he you know there was no doubt that he was going to those meetings to sabotage it even though it was something that trump explicitly said that he wanted he wanted some sort of deal with north. Korea and trump and bolton did his best to sabotage it and iran for bolton is a much bigger deal than north korea a much bigger deal there is no way that bolton is going to let this slip through his fingers which is why were all hoping that in article he is right and that trump gets rid of bolton very very quickly before this to the point of no return because we are reaching that point and we definitely are here boltons legacy if hes removed from his office. Will just get a wiser and that will just say no ive been there is that it didnt hear anything lives or all of that well get to why do you notice the secretaries of states and National Security Council People who just get worse and worse and worse theyre more in more ideological actually knowing nothing about international and was and was not just because theyre bad person so you know its so easy to demonize a person and the problem is the ideal would you be kind of the problem is that machine youre not operating behind that now thing board because of that 2016 election we have tromp who wants to get you know theyre also for winning theyre. Winning the case in north korea wants a nobel prize and we have the other the other side which wants him to fail everywhere and in this way the preventing these are and these are people that are his advisors exactly and there are hes at the wisest who want to destroy iran and destroy north korea because and to that are on a be destroyed triumph in the process its a. Boeing so and hes the only one i got to do it we have run out of time thanks to my guest here in moscow athens and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d. C. Unix i remember some. Guys. What bitcoin coin is magic internet the new type of Digital Currency the centralized digital scarcity chancellor. 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