Knocking some real news im joined by my guest here in moscow and he is a professor at the Higher School of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and the resurgence of russia and in paris we cross to John Laughlin he is a lecturer in political philosophy and i says the Catholic University of bendy or a gentleman cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to john 1st in paris what we have seen happen with trump pulling back with 10 minutes to spare is created in an in amazing dilemma for him for himself and his administration essentially now hes damned if he does and hes damned if he doesnt and this is a trap that i would say in my opinion that he he has allowed himself to be painted into a corner by the figures such as pompei o in bolton because this crisis and it is a crisis is far from over. We are going to have to wait for the next step and i would say before i go to you the momentum in the initiative is on the side of iran now not the United States go ahead john. I think that. Donald trump is totally inscrutable and in a way thats part of his political genius and what i mean by that is that you know weve been talking about donald trump now for 4 years for 2 years while he was during the primaries and for 2 years since hes been president and he has an incredible talent for making people talk about him all the time because he never does what you expect and he does outrageous things and then doesnt follow through with them and nothing is coherent so yes as in your question of course like many observers i see the pressure of the neo cons. Bolton and so on pushing him to do things which he then doesnt do we told us over venezuela he venezuela fizzled out and it was clearly a failure but it was cooked up by bolton and pompei o ditto iran so you know what we have servers are left perplexed and i you know i have no special information is it that he is their puppet and that he doesnt know what to do is he playing some clever game its impossible to say what we have is a kind of strange situation where were led to the brink repeatedly we were led to the brink a couple of years ago in april 27th seen over syria we were led to the brink of course in venezuela now weve been sent to the brink again including with absurd false flag operations like the the socalled Mining Operation the grainy video and so on all this nonsense but trump doesnt follow through its a kind of tease its a kind of Political Correctness interrupt us and. Whether its a plan or not a plan i just tell them to go to glenn i mean johns absolutely. Were out were still talking about donald trump and maybe that was my design was in the 1st place but i think you know the more serious here i think we have to remind our viewers is that iran perceives all of this is the war has already started this maximum pressure is is hurting the economy it is hurting the middle class it is the economy is hurting ok and so iran sees this as just another step in americas war against the Islamic Republic. And i think for that reason it can be quite important for iran. To well to make sure the. World they can read renegotiate this. Tension as well im not saying that this is a submission to but i do think that they have something to gain by increasing tensions and get americans to sit down because quite accurately as john pointed out. There the seems to be some confusion about what the Trump Administration is doing and i think for trump he says his Main Objective is simply to put maximum pressure on all of americas adversaries to negotiate Something Else while he said ministration from the pump pales to boltons they are more intraday actually want to go all the way to warsaw in venezuela you know they want to go in. On this well so i think the they seem to want to go the same way in terms of putting max pressure but then at the final stage actually doesnt want to go the last mile while they do which is why you have this you know we were told to the talk show host Tucker Carlson has been talking with the president and if you look at some of the. Tucker carlsons commentary about what was going on right before the pullback he was essentially telling donald trump and i believe he was speaking to him personally to on his broadcast is that if you do this if you follow through on this you will destroy your presidency you will not be reelected let me let me go back to paris to john i mean obviously what what the iranians would want if there is any kind of negotiations is sanction relief i mean thats exactly what they want and this is goes back to my 1st question to you this is a dilemma because trump is all in on maximum pressure it would be very difficult for him politically to withdraw from that and well talk about the media reaction later but this is part of the dilemma if you want he says he wants negotiations but from the iranian side said we had to go with you we came with a nuclear deal and you walked away from it why should we trust you thats the dilemma john. Yes but that is also part of trumps tactic you know his tactic is to go into a room shout a lot of totally outrageous things and then stomp out again and leave everyone wondering what the hell just happened he did that over korea lets not forget he called in rocket man he said he told the United Nations he was going to obliterate korea north korea from the face of the earth and then he went to meet kim jong il that is his tactic and i think its the same with iran he disavowed john bolton publicly in the oval office he said i sometimes have to rein john bolton in and he said were ready to talk with the iranians in as much as he has a strategy and im not sure that he does in as much as he does his strategy is to disorient everyone by his completely outrageous behavior and then come in and say im ready to talk and he has done that with the iranians so i dont think its politically impossible for him to climb down on the country all on i think what he i agree with i mean what he should do what he should do right now is fire john bolton but fire him and say im taking charge of this right now i mean that would give him a little breathing space with the same time john irans is not going to be understanding iran feels that is it is the United States is an existential threat to the Islamic Republic and it is john. Well i dont think thats what the iranians iranians would want i think if trump did say right mate you know were going to i think they would respond maybe im wrong maybe i dont never run yeah but they would have to be sanctioned really they would have to say we will. Lower the saying let me go to glenn on this but i mean is that because i think i think it has to be the north koreans and he did it will be is it possible but yeah i i think so but again its a very different ball to can get out of this mix pressure because. Iran this is not like these other countries the United States of bombed and invaded the past 30 years it is a large middle power so its it has the ability to inflict. Pain on you not exactly and for this reason thats a limitation for how much pressure of the United States can put on it because it knows that america has a lot to lose if they would actually go to war so i guess for for the United States the ideal situation if they could put max pressure in or even like a bloody nose attack where they do a limited strike on iran iran is you know too terrified to retaliate because of the repercussions it would have would have for them if america would then escalate however because iran has so much capabilities it is its quite vital for them to be able to hold up a red line and hold american psychology thats why they have the smallest infringement on their security such as this drone passing into the airspace its imperative for them to respond and do so harshly because if the americans if they will use this military power then they will probably go for this but in those attack however if. If they believe the american that they run this will retaliate. With full force the only thing they dont have to really dont have to we have with full force and go back to john and paris iran doesnt have to react in full force with irans greatest strength. Taking on the United States is fighting asymmetrically so a drone is. Shot over for example then an in american air base in iraq yet it gets attacked or something in syria so this is this is the nightmare for the for the strategists because iran can react you dont know where or how and you cant plan for it john. Well im going to stick my neck out im going to say i mean i think trump is completely unpredictable and like many observers as ive just said i found it impossible to reach him but im going to say stick my neck out and say that hes not going to go for it he didnt go for it over syria hes more or less structured grain hes more or less structured venezuela as far as we know it keeps hes a tease he keeps the neo cons on side by pretending hes with them and then he drops them at the last minute maybe im wrong maybe im being optimistic i think its fascinating analysis because if. You everything youve said is that you cant prove that is incorrect ok so i mean thats fascinating in itself well give you the last word in this block you know your position trump either because on one hand his the. One on the other hand the peace president. Obama or bush or clinton doesnt start a new war on the other hand hes looking at his base and is he thinking about the allegedly but on the other hand hes hes pushing almost all countries into conflict of same time is threatening wars with more than anyone else so its hard to tell if he is a war of. Words is it is it is it there is the credibility gap i mean john just said you know all these countries here are so i mean hes just all what is it was a saying hes all happy and no cattle well it depends because he wants to put the max pressure on all countries in order to renegotiate americas relationship with the world to reverse the klein however if it would actually go to war with iran this would drain all of americas focus and resources for the next decade and you know while. All other powers to trust negotiate with would be able to walk free china would the rise to global privacy and so it would be it would be the worst thing going 22nd said john before we go go ahead john 20 seconds i totally agree with that and again im look im not like many people ive been deeply disappointed by trump im appalled by the appointment of bolton and peo and so on but to the extent that he has a Foreign Policy and that he runs u. S. Foreign policy which of course is itself a question yes what glenda said is right trump is focused on china ok i long to. Be the topic for the next time your im just going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news with r. T. So it seems wrong. But all wrong just dont call. Me ill get to see palin does the consequences. And in detroit because the trail. When something you find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. 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Some time over show as well like a honeypot and everyone believe that it was all on stable and on the reliability of russia but they thought that everyone was great over their russian businessman they want to do business in the west because they feared some could take everything away from them in russia its now its the opposite theyve businesses outside of russia was snatched less is frozen the whole blog another student whine about the. Welcome back to cross talk were all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing iran. And now were joined by alexander mackerras and london he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor. And chief of the duran dot com alex goal can be the program you i know you heard the 1st half we had with John Laughlin lets switch gears a little bit here i was. Unpleasantly surprised im i say that the media reaction in the media reaction to this polling back of this attack all has to do about how you perceive donald trump and its really not about the conflict itself all right because you have people that know that a war in american war on iran would be devastating to for the region for the Global Economy but it would be under trumps watch go for it i mean and then of course watching american cable with these low octane thinkers they dont know anything about iran or Foreign Policy all they could do was say that trump doesnt have credibility we can talk about that but it misses the whole point here why the United States needs to feels that compulsion compulsion to go to war all the time go ahead alex and indeed if you go to the media here immigration and what ive seen of the media in the United States there is a world full lack of analysis of this and there is very little discussion of what has led up to this conflict all all potential conflicts and there is even less discussion of what the potential consequences of this conflict would be as you correctly say and as was indeed discussed on the 1st segment of your program the focus is overwhelmingly on the personality of one man which is donald trump ignoring the fact that there are multiple actors in this matter one of which is of course iran which most definitely does have agency the rain ians are sitting back and calculating and making their own decisions and this seems to be incredibly little interest in. The media generally in finding out. What they think and what theyre going to do are you still restatements all not just gushing program in the United States where it was suggested that even discussing it rain you know yours was somehow treasonable credibly incredible way of thinking given what how dangerous situation is becoming you know when thats going to cure it brings up such a great point in this in this is primarily the medias fault is that negotiating with an adversary is treasonous i mean that that that defies the very concept of diplomacy having state craft ok ive come across any kind of negotiations with the iranians is somehow morally wrong and that is a very dangerous supposition. In that they may refer to us as a character dilemma sensibile to being able to put yourself in the shoes of the other serious because if you simply divide the world into a right versus wrong good versus evil. You know then you get the rhetoric to have in the u. S. Now or you know irans been behaving we have to teach them a lesson that were behavior hey theyre history. Approach where you know the teacher address a student the parent of a child so you have to discipline them in order to get the correct behavior but thats not really how International Relations work you have 2 states with competing conflicting interests what you really need to do than the 6 i mean the interest of both states in order to find some way to do a compromise about the theres a lot of noise here so you cant really actually have this process is what actually diplomacy is supposed to be all about instead you have good countries and bad if you listen to the bad one its the its a piece meant so taking in consideration what iran might need it security interest the us appeasement is treason and this is goes against peace so its a really if International Relations diplomacy put on this head because this is not how its supposed to work for. The more because of the whole focus of our trump is to impede stability of the United States to act rationally and not simply irrational would suggest are able to look at Foreign Affairs and do a rational calculation in terms of whats the best way to approach or to maximize their security but what were seeing is its a domestic politics of the United States that we dictates Foreign Policy lets point out if if if you can criticize trump for how hes handling it are his not the size of enough is too aggressive if this then if if that serves domestic politics then he will do it so essentially Foreign Policy is shaped or even directed. At your door it is this whole mantra about socialism you know thats thats domestically driven in the United States visa ve been is we are let me go back to london i got i have a way to get out of this mess here because its certainly a dilemma that trump is a lot of south to be painted into a corner fire pompei or fire bolton in call and said again love her off what do you think we need because of course the way glenn was discussing matters is very much if i may say so a view of International Relations that you can find in europe and you can find in moscow where shes not very current in the United States the United States isnt doing diplomacy at the moment a lot of is a suit cream diplomat and he is the foreign minister of a great power and he is someone whos extremely skilled and adept at negotiating compromises and brokering solutions as was recently pointed out to me a good example of how that can happen is the conflict between russia and turkey theres existed over syria some years ago when a russian aircraft was shot down and we need not hear anything about military action being taken that certain sanctions were imposed but in the end the 2 sides. Found nothing commonality of interest to negotiate a compromise but that required diplomacy and that is not what were seeing at the moment if i can just say one very quick thing about some of the comments that have been made both by john and. I think there is riddle to this mystery of donald trump and glenn touched on it the riddle is that trantor needs to do whatever he must as he thinks to win the 2020 points if you has tookie use the evangelical christians like tents and poincare who are fired up against iran and see things in that black and white terms the donald trump glen was talking about and at the same time he has to appease hes are that the other partys base which is against war which is what Tucker Carlson comes from and this is what explains to my mind these extraordinary zig zags in the decisions that we are seeing not a way to conduct diplomacy and diplomacy is what we need to clint i mean i think we you know with John Laughlin and were going to hear it yourself any myself here i think weve kind of cut through the hedges here but we still have to deal with the issues that are rare and certainly doesnt see it this way theyre not psychoanalyzing donald trump they are very seriously concerned with their sovereignty so if youre if youre into law your adversary is im sorry irrational or. There is no sense predictable how how does iran do with that because theyre on the receiving end you know thats a good question and this isnt start with trump of course is a very long american policy to put them or more pressure on iran so its. How would you react if youre a country like iran as i mentioned before iran is a large middle power its its its much greater than this im a country which americas attacked a loss of 3 years yet is doesnt have the turrent power lets say china or russia so. I guess the only thing they can do is see it trying to continue to negotiate with the americans but again the current has to be at the basis of all of this and. Its very hard for them. We have like pump a 0 and using exactly that same word it turns you know but i find that really bizarre to turn to use a slightly wrong because the target is supposed to prevent someone from taking an action and thats usually the revisionist power but in this situation its the americans who are the rishon as they are they are ripping up the Iran Nuclear Deal and then theyre telling their on the instore to their to stop abiding by but you cant this is this would only make sense if youre telling them from ripping up the agreement but if youre the revisionist power youre the one expanding youre the one bombing the neighbors youre going threatening the turks doesnt work in this way and. Then were going to be the thing that i guess were going to be seeing moving forward because this isnt over i mean this simply is not over this is the beginning of something here because as i said in the 1st part of the program iran already perceives itself to in a conflict with the United States and that is it is on the receiving end of Economic Warfare but i always stress iran has a lot of asymmetrical ways to make the u. S. Pay attention ok and its ability and it does how friends in the region it is all the way to lebanon and we we a rock i mean the iraqis have made it very clear they want to american troops out one of the reasons why american troops are staying there is quote unquote watching iran i mean it could make it very very messy and even painful for the u. S. With this asymmetrical approach. Asymmetrical look shes followed. Response to this campaign of american pressure which to be very clear if you read american demands they demand irans total could you lay surrender so right. In a way which would make the entire political system in iran a known viable and unsustainable it is a campaign in effect for regime change but the radiance absolutely have to respond they have by the standards of the region an advanced military they are as glenn correctly said a significant middle ranking power and they have many many supporters in the middle east and these this campaign against them is going to win over more people in the middle east because theres so much there the perceived victim exactly if i could just say i mean the whole policy of maximum pressure when a very has been a plan by the United States you see this with north korea weve seen this with cuba weve seen this with venezuela we see this with russia by the way were seeing it now of course with the wrong we in nor the in the results based on experience is that it causes the other saw 8 to harden its position exactly and Popular Resistance within the. 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