Transcripts For RT Worlds Apart 20240713

Given credit for how and more mature than its usually given credit for how noteworthy was this summer of 2009000 in manifesting these noteworthy was the summer of 2009000 in manifesting this sort of better than the given credit for nature of russia its sort of better than the given credit for nature of Russian Civil Society in the just Civil Society but society in general well on one hand this is a society in the just Civil Society but society in general well on one hand this is not the 1st definitely wave of protests and quite mass protests that with which most of the 1st definitely wave of protests and quite mass protests that with which most starting 2007 Team Every Year we have more or less mass starting 2007 team most every year we have more or less mask. Our activity on the streets in various russian state is i would say this activity on the streets in various russian state is i would say that even for example 2008 when there were some protests that even for example 2008 when there were some protest events also in more school we had more our violence on the streets not to advance also in more school we had more our violence on the streets not Police Violence but. Other. Otherwise Police Violence but. Other. Otherwise inclined civic groups like the corps arcs they were much more violent sometimes inclined civic groups like the corps arcs they were much more violent sometimes than anything we have seen in 19 and they would also like to us than anything we have seen in. Team and i would also like to remind that one of the them members of the president ial council remind that one of the them members of the president ial council for civil rights left the council as a sign of protest for this for civil rights left the council as a sign of protest for these things that were happening so on one hand it was not something new and out of the things that were happening so on one hand it was not something new and out of the blue because the recession impression that we then remax the event happening lou because the recession impression that we then remax the events happening it looks like all the people who are witnesses to it were born yesterday only we are having young it looks like all the people who are witnesses to it were born yesterday oh we are having young people on the street i think its not just about the protests i mean we also had a number of high profile people on the street i think its not just about the protests i mean we also had a number of high profile. For example involved journalist yvonne we also just. For example involved journalist yvonne we also just going to galvanise just decided weeks before this outburst in more school that was camilla very eyes just decided weeks before this outburst in more school that was connected with moscow city to do more elections we had this little more keys we sure as talking with moscow city to do more elections we had this goal of keys we sure as talking surprise us which was a surprise for me because i remember quite well when i 1st read the prizes which was a surprise for me because i remember quite well when i 1st read the news of the journalist being detained with rocks i remember my idea i was the use of the journalist being detained with rocks i remember my idea i was on the consul then but i thought well this is these are media people they can differ on the council then but i thought well this is these are media people they can defend their own kind so no need to trouble myself about it so i was on their own kind so no need to trouble myself about it so i wasnt ready for the magnitude of things happening that when they began with ready for the magnitude of things happening that when they began to happen it was this time that society as it is was ready to happen it was this time that society as it is was ready to react to what it sees as and fear and unjust and to react to what it sees as on fear and unjust and thats in line with what you have been writing about that starting from around 2017 thats in line with what you have been writing about that starting from around 2017 theres been a shift in the polls in attitudes towards public protest i think the problem theres been a shift in the polls in attitudes towards public protest i think the. As themselves have become more broad based its not just professional protesters but kind of lame matters themselves have become more broad based its not just professional protesters but kind of lay man who didnt take to the streets before certainly new people came to be pro who didnt take to the streets before certainly new people keen to be protesters not just people we tend to notice young people more because were sort of testers not just people we tend to notice young people more because wes issues with them naturally with the future with tomorrow but are as far as we can judge them naturally with the future with tomorrow but are as far as we can judge bias its a logical data of the general composition of people out in the bias its a logical data of the general composition of people out on the streets is analogous to the demographic picture of society in general streets is analogous to the demographic picture of society in general the median age is 4940. But well the median age is 4940. But we do have people who are not as you see professional protest as not people who have been we do have people who are not as you see professional protest as not people who have been committed to really going out since the middle of 2000 we have new people can be truly going out since the middle of 2000 we have a new people out and this is a change and of the processes that you mentioned is called by some out and this is a change and of the processes that you mentioned is called by scientologists the normalization of protest and this is a whim people not just the normalization of protest and this is where i am people not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose that brought us to give it to him with self who do not participate themselves begin to suppose that brought us to give it to him with self. Is normal and should not be suppressed by the state this is reading you think is normal and should not be suppressed by the state this is read a new thing for russian Public Opinion because previously it was manifestly seen as a danger that for russian Public Opinion because previously it was manifestly seen as a danger think that the attitude of authorities. To progress until recently if this was the attitude of authorities to protest until recently if this was also pretty mild in moscow i think the number of greenlight was also pretty mild in moscow i think the number of green lived rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before the overall level of rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before the overall level of street violence was very very low why then all of a sudden in the middle of 2 of street violence was very very low why then all of a sudden in the middle of 2001000 there has been such a. You know Strong Police in 1000 there has been such a. You know Strong Police of of the of the of public protests not the least by the authorities themselves of of the of the of public protests not the least by the authorities themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more school it is allowable for people there were some kind of tradition that in more school it is allowable for people to sometimes get out on the street at the same time since the change bill to sometimes get out on the street at the same time seems the change in legislation that wars implemented before 2014 in legislation that wars implemented before 2014 the price of unauthorized sanctions socalled protos became great yearly higher the price of unauthorized sanctions socalled protos became great yearly hire me. More fines are more days of administrative forest down being famous more fines are more days of administrative forests and then being famous criminal code article 2 of 212 point one criminal code article 2 of 200 12. 00 which criminalize us ruby to administrative have found during com which criminalize us ruby to administrative have found during Public Meetings and religious so the prize was raised by the authorities Public Meetings and religious so the prize was raised by the authorities at the same time there were some kind of understanding that people can sometimes do it at the same time there were some kind of understanding that people can sometimes do that what changed easts possibly what you call politicisation of that what changed is possibly what you call politicisation of protests so far as protests were seen as local protests so far as protests were seen as local and based on some concrete grievances like the militia of a building cutting off based on some concrete grievances like demolition of a building cutting down of far they were seen as permissible but the protests of this summer would all know of far they were seen as permissible but the protest of this summer war political in every sense of the world of the work well for me as a political scientist everywhere political in the every sense of the world of the work well for me as a political scientist every pro this is a Political Action because it entails a demand for participation for political process is a Political Action because it entails a demand for participation for political participation but authorities differentiate between well kind of suspicion but authorities differentiate between well kind of. Social or economic courses for protests and political social or economic courses for protests and political there is nothing more political than elections these were about elections there is nothing more political than elections and these were about the elections so i know when we weve seen the sorrow of case the participants were so oh when we weve seen the sorrow of case the participants were not punished off towards the course according to our tradition the worst thing are not punished off towards the course according to our tradition the worst thing that happens is not during the really itself not during the march or something that happens in the during the rally itself not during the march or something but what comes up towards the russian institutions are often criticised but what comes up towards the russian institutions are often criticised for their rather image of nature and function and i personally i was form their rather image of nature and function and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best strategy for a selfimprovement you know problem or that i think fake it til you make it is the best strategy for a selfimprovement as long as youre faking something youre legitimizing the whole thing as long as youre faking something youre legitimizing the whole thing and im a little bit concerned the russian authorities have starved faking or at least and im a little bit concerned the russian authorities have still faking or at least stop faking authentically the notion that everybody can put stop faking all thumb typically the notion that everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities and you know that there dissipate in politics i understand all the insecurities and you know that their ads. Historic insecurities about political or actually government protest in russia but deep historic insecurities about political or actually government protest in russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden they decided not to keep those still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden they decided not to keep those appearances anymore why is that well their parents are kept in this appearances anymore why is that well their parents are kept in the sand that whatever happens even if we dislike it and we dislike about what happened down there whatever happens even if we dislike it and we dislike about what happens with the little limits of the law as it is written the law is written in such a way that its with the little limits of the law as it is written the law is written in such a way that it allows great lexar to 2 Law Enforcement so we didnt have the laws great lexa t 2 Law Enforcement so we didnt have any well. The specific her legal regime in moscow for of any well. Specific her legal regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so its all according to the written rules for example no emergency has been declared so its all according to the written rules but your writing saying that the prick downs are all of the allowable but your writing saying that the brick downs are off the allowable participation in political life has been see that and at the same time their humor dissipate and then political life has been seated and at the same time their Human Rights Council whose faith were supposed to discuss has also been one of those Rights Council whose faith were supposed to discuss has also been one of those decorated but not useless institutions to that question to ask comes decorated but not useless institutions elad to that question to ask and then. And that ive been asking myself is whether we the Council Members who have been sort the one that theyve been asking myself is whether we the Council Members who have been so active during those hacked sick summer months how weve been aware of that by our active during those hacked sick summer months how weve been aware of that by our activity weve been harming the institution thats what were up to its you weve been harming the institution that we belong to and tarring on its. Should we have been belong to antari on its. Should we have been more quiet in order to keep the council intact or shin more quiet in order to keep the council intact or should we have done what we have done in order to show our position publicly even would we have done what we have done in order to show our position publicly even given the reste of. Well what actually happened now is speaking about even the weeks. Before it actually happened now speaking about your departure from the council alongside some of the other members whove been very clear departure from the council alongside some of the other members whove been very critical about how the moscow protests have been handled not only by the Law Enforcement but also now critical about how the moscow protests have been handled not only by the Law Enforcement but also now by the Russian Court system do you take that as a kneejerk reaction by the Russian Court system do you take that as a kneejerk reaction to you personally just being irritated by a sharp tongue or do you think its a sign of a more sort of into you personally just being irritated by a sharp tongue or do you think its a sign of a more sort of systemic shift. Well it hasnt been just systemic shift. Well it hasnt been just for Council Members that were dismayed at the heart of the council the chairman was for Council Members that were dismayed at the heart of the council the chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reaching the retirement age i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reaching the retirement age so you can write it off as something that could have happened but we in you can write it off as something that could have happened but we in your own case its pretty notable that somebody who has served on the council for 10 months is your own case its pretty notable that somebody who has served on the council for 10 months is kicked out because supposedly out of the. Kicked out because supposedly out of the. Necessity thats hard to believe well that has been the way all the explanation and i must say that is thats hard to believe well this has been the way all the explanation and i must say that there have been no private told. With me i must see it open and fair because they have there have been no private talks with me i must see it open and fair because its true and no member of the president ial administration has given me preliminary was its true and no member of the president ial administration has given me a preliminary warning warning that ive been doing something over the top and that i should stop or on warning that ive been doing something over the top and that i should stop or so it was kind of a surprise although it was at the same time kind of x. So it was kind of a surprise although it was at the same time kind of expected we should have been in a more difficult position had they had of the council be back that we should have been in a more difficult position had they had of the council been changed on the composition of the council remained the same because working wouldnt change the composition of the council remain the same because working with the chairman you dont either logically side with is with the chairman whom you dont either logically side with is difficult on one hand the council is a Democratic Institution decisions are made by difficult on one hand the council is a Democratic Institution decisions are made by voting by the majority and we have the will the active part we did have the majority voting by the majority and we have the will the active part we did have the majority we could pass our decisions we could pass the corporations but at this we could pass decisions we could pass the corporations but at the same time the powers of the chair is are many of the same time are the powers of the chair is our main. And for example he alone of all the members of the council has a proper job being an hour and for example he alone of all the members of the council has a proper job being an advisor to the president so he. For example write plateaux sign a letter to the authorities advisor to the president so he can for example write plateau sign a letter to the authorities declaring the councils position not a false could do that and declaring the councils position not all files could do that and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme aflame and so those would have been the generally it would have been an unworkable scheme aflame and so those would have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them in the only way i think. Own problems in the you could have dealt with them in the only way i think. Even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council could have created a very good impression for russia as a vibrant politically Diverse Society where people even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council could have created a very good impression for russia as a vibrant politically Diverse Society where people can voice different opinions i mean it would have made for a much better impression the voice different opinions i mean it would have made for a much better impression than just the just the. What someone said sitting here morning is. To you out and i think thats somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually very particular about its somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually very particular about the appearances and the signals that he he sounds do you take that as hes own decision the appearances and the signals that he he sounds do you take that as hes own decision because he had to sign on the or departure or do you think. Somebody in him because he had to sign on the or departure or do you think. Somebody in his. Close close circle circle of old who perhaps thought your services or your your opinions on. The most suited while. I was able to traverse reminds us that much that it may become that act to get to the coming meeting of the council would swell with the president because the Council Meets once a year with the president the previous meeting was just after the previous trip once a year with the president the previous meeting was just after the previous 3 in the asian of the council and that was actually the 1st time december 11th of last year when the new innovation of the council and that was actually the 1st time december 11th of last year when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks even then no member saw it by this way there were no preliminary talks even then no one asked what are we going to talk about and i spoke a little bit that were going to talk about and i spoke a little bit during this meeting on the same topic by the way that i had to sit in during this meeting on the same topic by the way that i had to speak now as an official presenter during the next meeting you know many of the speak now as an official presenter during the next move and you know many of the things that you see on many other occasions i mean youre pretty. Funny because you said you see on many other occasions i mean youre pretty. Funny because scientists you know social commentator i mean you have a big viewership on you does scientist you know social commentator i mean you have a big viewership on you tube you have a Radio Program so its not like youre saying something that people havent heard superior have a Radio Program so its not like youre saying something that people havent heard before but maybe some people havent heard before not everyone follows me on you tube channel before but maybe some people havent heard before not everyone follows me on you tube channel maybe they have up are other sources of information so weak. Came as a surprise to them i dont now and maybe they have up or other sources of information so it came as a surprise to them i dont now again i have an idea that the plan was to prevent any unpleasantness i have an idea that the plan was to prevent any unpleasantness happening any words being spoken during the next i was wondering if they were happening any words being spoken during the next i was wondering if the president cannot handle it or what maybe course he doesnt like it maybe because the president cannot handle it or what maybe course he doesnt like it maybe because that means duration doesnt want bad headlines maybe they dont want the summary of his patients doesnt want bad headlines maybe they dont want the Summer Events he going to be plenty of bad have bad had lens afterwords i didnt want me to explain somebody is he going to be plenty of bad have bad had lens afterwords i didnt want me to explain somebody elses decision i am. 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Who spends more than a year in the ukrainian prison on charges of treason and more than a year in the ukrainian prison on charges of treason and in the case of korea like in the case of former us prison there might be a bullet in the in the case of korea like in the case of former u. S. Prison there might be a bullet in the russian liberal or even Human Rights Community it was. More russian liberal or even Human Rights Community it was. More or less subdued and even the counsel of the time you served in it did in a less subdued and even the counsel of the time you served and it didnt. Raised a case all too loudly dont you think. This could be raised a case all too loudly dont you think. This could be seen as a minister station of political bias you know people who are speaking against their 30 is seen as a minister station of political bias you know people who are speaking against their thirtys die right protected their cause is a defended but people who are more or less in line die rights are protected their causes are defended but people who are more or less in line with this state policy is that a case is ignored. With the state policy is that a case is ignored. Well i must say the protection of rights of russian citizens abroad has been one of the well i must say the protection of rights of russian citizens abroad has been one of the prominent topics for the council it is not true that the topic of self was prominent topics for the council it is not true that the topic of self was ignored by the council actually if you look at the least of people who are Council Members you nor by the council actually if you look at the least of people who are Council Members youll see that most of them unlike me ahead of their own n. G. O. S and their public will ringback see that most of them unlike me ahead of their own n. G. O. S their public activists who have their own spheres of interest and who have been doing it for activists who have their own spheres of interest and who have been doing it for years so the key war prisoners are lost and displaced the key war prisoners are lost and displaced persons families of military personnel are sold they all have a persons family is all of our military personnel are so they all have their own well their own themes to to pursue and some of this people quite their own well their own themes too to pursue and some of this people. Quite a few of the few call of the Council Member some amber or some to top it all the more they will price of the crushing. Of the rights of russian citizens abroad and the but. I havent met him personally abroad and the but. I havent met him personally but i must say that journalists have been submitting all members of the council during the year but i must say that journalists have been so bitter all members of the council during the years of the Council Activity are a lot of quite well known russian journalists and media people who are on the council you are shown there was a member of the Council Activity a lot of quite well known russian journalists and media people who were on the council you powerful enough was a member once i think it was on the side or kin there was also a member so once i think it was on the side or kin there was also a member so if is currently a member instead of the commission on information is currently a member instead of the commission on information right so its not something new but i guess what im trying to write so its not something new but i guess what im trying to ask is whether because if youre a very active position ask is whether because if youre very active position on the street protests and your defense of of the people who sell what are on the street protests and your defense of the people who would argue have been unlawfully detained or you have been unlawfully detained or. To strictly prosecuted. Yes yeah absolutely to strictly prosecuted. Yes yeah absolutely i mean. You know trying to defend what i mean. Said you know trying to defend what i believe to be the farcical thing his share of the Russian Court system and. Some time believed to be the farcical thing his share of the Russian Court system and. Sometimes even the pharisee nature is quite contrary to the proclaimed even the pharisee nature quite contrary to the proclaimed goals but having said that i mean putting that aside dont you think that 2 goals but having said that i mean putting that aside dont you think that too much attention to one topic in this case the street protestant and the the much attention to one topic in this case the street protestant the the the rides given by the constitution on Public Assembly has skewed the rides given by the constitution on Public Assembly has skewed the councils attention. From other not the councils attention. From other not less were they topics the topics where perhaps the state and vast far more resources a class of worth a topic the topics where perhaps the state in vast far more resources it also wants to be seen as doing something i rather suspect is that it also wants to be seen as doing something i rather suspect is the other way around we werent doing a lot of things and what most of my time away around we werent doing a lot of things and what took most of my time and resources during my short stay on the council was not defending and 3 sources during my short stay on the council was not. If ramming protesters these were these few weeks where we could not if we waited in protesters these were these few weeks where we could not if we waited paying attention to these people need help immediately but during this months paying attention to these people need help immediately but during this months what i most pride myself on as a former Council Member are 2 things one i most pride myself on as a former Council Member are 2 things 2 directions of activity 1st its legislation against Domestic Violence i was one of the 2 directions of activity 1st its legislation against Domestic Violence i was one of the core cheers all of the working group dedicated to developing this legislation and of course cheers all of the working group dedicated to developing this legislation and i do think that we made in maintaining progress we came in time we were like you with the time i do think that we made in mainz in progress we came in time we were like you with the timing like is not the right word but the sudden constellation of fact help us a lot with pushing forming like hes not the right word but the 2nd constellation of fact how a lot with pushing forward this agenda and 2nd thing 2nd thing that i must say wars organize this agenda and 2nd thing 2nd thing that i must say wars are organizing a special meeting of the council devoted to the rights of people you mandolins to tell and this is in a special meeting of the council devoted to the rights of people you mandolins to your efforts to try to reform that whole system of psychiatric institutions in russia and your efforts to try to reform that whole system of psychiatric institutions in russia and to to also to promote legislation defending those people and it does leave me actually personally much to to also to promote legislation defending those people and it does leave me actually berger going to my next question because i think on these and other problems we should fact millions of people and next question because i think on these and other problems we should fact millions of people. All this state seems to be far more open to criticism and far more amenable to the state seems to be far more open to criticism and far more amenable to change than street politics and i understand its a false dichotomy im not trying to change than street politics and i understand its a false dichotomy im not trying to even joy here but isnt it also true that people who are really in the vast that enjoy it here but isnt it also true that people who are really in the vast that into changing rush are no doing that on the streets you say we pay too much attention to into changing rush hour no doing that on the streets you say we pay too much attention to politicize 3 protos to the detriment of other more important topics i think is the other way around politicize 3 protos to the detriment of other more important topics i think is the other way around people who make decisions paid more attention to the fact dont people who make decisions made more attention to the fact of you going to a Police Station to meet with detained people than to any other few going to a Police Station to meet with detained people than to any other sort of work that you do so the screwing as you say it is not the work that you do so the screwing as you say it is not and isnt this is another good either or im just i guess trying to have a broader discussion on this is another was either or im just i guess trying to have a broader discussion on the what is the most. The bastard and the most efficient way of on the what is the most. The bastard and the most efficient way of changing russia im sure you have nothing but respect for people changing russia im sure you have nothing but respect for people like you to fit it for their master who almost singlehandedly created and is now scaling like new to fit for their master who almost singlehandedly created and is now. This system of penetration shirish speaker a prominent speaker on our special magic salute and she had this system of penetration shirish speaker a prominent speaker on our special magic salute and she she has her own very interesting way of working with russian authorities reach he she has her own very interesting way of working with russian authorities reach you know i think its almost a gender equality because many of the Russian Politicians and male you know i think its almost a gender equality because many of the Russian Politicians and males with this very strong protector image and a lot of russian social innovators with this very strong protector image and a lot of russian social innovators are women who do not try to confront those authorities directly who do not try to are women who do not try to confront those authorities directly who do not try to appeal to their sort of all nerd culture values but the rather for appeal to their sort of all nerd culture values but the rather find their way of working around it im not saying isnt that better a moral find their way of working around it im not saying isnt that better in moral terms but isnt that more efficient way of achieving something in russia for the benefit of terms but isnt that more efficient way of achieving something in russia for the benefit of the people not for the benefit of your political agenda both ways are pretty difficult if people not for the benefit of your political agenda both ways are pretty difficult if you ask them for that message and shes i think the best acquaintance ive made i asked for them to ask her for that message and shes i think the best acquaintance ive made i asked for this on the council and actually the best thing ive done for myself is creating this Network Council and actually the best thing ive done for myself is creating this network of connection with people on and these are the some of the best people in russia connection with people on these. Some of the best. People in russia are civic activists on this social site i do hope the actual most of them are our civic activists on this social site i do hope the actual most of them are women most of them are women and they are amazing and things that they do are women most of them are women and they are amazing and things that they do surpasses the wildest imagination but if you ask her shell tell you that surpasses the wildest imagination but if you ask her shell tell you that were making very slow progress this Mental Institution thing on the legislation that they do that were making very slow progress this Mental Institution thing on the legislation that they do it is meeting with tremendous difficulties because you have objections on the part of the president ial is meeting with tremendous difficulties because you have objections on the part of the president ial director directorate on the president ial administration and surprisingly older legal director in the president ial administration and surprisingly our allies in this specific case the Russian Orthodox church barb. Our allies in this specific case the Russian Orthodox church but still we cant couldnt till this point move this bit of legislation still we cant couldnt till this point move this bit of legislation on so its as difficult to define street protesters as to defend or so its as difficult to define street protesters as to defend no systematically different battle of the position of Mental Institutions inmate no systematically different battle of the position of Mental Institutions inmates so i dont think that there is one way or the other way see how. Its so i dont think that there is one way or the other way see how. For the message it draws your bones she declined to participate in. A message across your bones she declined to participate in. Into the elections and i think it was one of the best thing because she was also at the elections and i think it was one of the best thing because she was also very very critical of the federal authorities and very very critical of the federal authorities and faced absolutely no punishment for the she she in fact she was given a bigger mandate and i faced absolutely no punishment for that she in fact she was given a bigger mandate and i think that shermer all of her too high of a campaign but then that feeds into these long running that film or all of her authority is too high the campaign but then that feeds into these long running after it by the russian authorities to kind of deep politicize this awning effort by the russian authorities to kind of deep politicize the social and economic sectors from the political sectors you dislike the trend but on the economic sectors from the political sectors you dislike the trend but dont you think there is a basis for the real basis for it given how there is a basis for the real basis for it given how the human rights reality has been used politically in the human rights ryall has been used politically by russian jew politically by russian adversaries. I would be a russian jew politically by russian adversaries. I would be kind of computation myself and of working with the riches when i am to risen to the ranks of patient myself and of working with the riches when i am to risen to the ranks of civil Rights Council ive heard a lot of things also on social media and civil rights com so ive heard a lot of things also on social media and generally that im kind of working with the kremlin some people tend to imagine that the you get a job in italy that im kind of working with the kremlin some people tend to imagine that the you. If you get a job in the president ial administration what youre not really spoiler you dont get paid and the president ial administration what youre not really a spoiler you dont get paid and that you dont have a proper job or so i would call myself a victim of a sort of people you dont have a proper job so i wouldnt call myself a victim of a sort of keeper bulling no never but ive heard his opinions are quite a lot to that no never but ive heard his opinions are quite a lot too that seems the political regime is really bad then you should not assume since the political regime is really bad then you should not associate yourself with it in many ways so i am rather on the side of yourself with it in many ways so i am rather on the side of those members and heads of engineers who have to work with those members and heads of engineers who have to work with authorities with the minister of health care with a president ial administration with a government that berthas because the need for it is with the minister of health care with a president ial administration with a government that furthers because the need to push their vital questions their vital agenda they have to defend those people to push their vital questions their vital agenda they have to defend those people whom they defend they will continue doing this i will go home they defend they will continue doing this i will continue doing what i can am i have no i have had no meat in teen years doing what i can am i have no i have had no meetings with authorities warning me to shut up and stop doing what im doing. With authorities warning me to shut up and stop doing what im doing so im no longer in the council but that doesnt change my i would say either logical out or im no longer in the council but that doesnt change my i would say idle. Outlook i still think that the russian state apparatus is a big clumps if things look i still think that the russian state apparatus is a big clumps of thing and that it tries to govern everything that happens in russia so if we want to tries to govern everything that happens in russia so if we want change we can bypass and live a governmental machine i dont know if you would change we can bypass the governmental machine i dont know if you would agree with me or not but i think there is indeed an unhealthy tendency with me or not but i think there is indeed an unhealthy tendency to control things but it stems from very very very deep insecurity to control things but it stems from very very very deep insecurity and rather than provoking that insecurity which i think many of the opposition figures and rather than provoking that insecurity which i think many of the opposition figures including alexina volumnia are consciously trying to do is including alexina consciously trying to do. I think the russian benefit the Russian Society Civil Society would benefit i think the russian benefit the Russian Society Civil Society would benefit far more from actually growing a circuit if way that you just far more from actually growing a circuit if the way that you just suggest unless you make yourself visible you wouldnt be hurt just unless you make yourself visible you wouldnt be hurt how did we manage we generally managed to push on the mystic violent how did we manage we generally manage to push on the Domestic Violence legislation there were some. Im sorry for interrupting its legislation there were some. Im sorry for interrupting you here but you were provoked defend you were making things now allowed but the youre here but you were provoked defend you were making things now allowed but the you when were not calling for burning. Down those days you know how close are you calling for now or the calling for the situation engine Constitutional Order you know you were or you were not cannot all it can fall or can for. Hanging up your whole opponents on the streets honans on the streets. Yeah absolutely but that i mean then there are years how. But i mean there you go there you are is what ended you would understand why some of the calls like that would make those people within the band why some of the calls like that would make those people within the on their cultural within the apple laugh the culture as we call of these socalled key on their cultural within the apple left culture is a recall of these socalled syllabi key you know Law Enforcement intelligence agencies etc how would it would make them feel you know Law Enforcement intelligence agencies etc how would it would make them feel. Extremely insecure well if you are too nice. Extremely insecure well if you are too nice you are not being heard if you are too radical you scare off your not being heard if you are too radical you scare off not just the 4 it is but was what is more important your own support base because not just the 4 it is but was what is more important your own support base because russian Public Opinion in general is at least point a verse to. Public opinion in general at least point of verse to. Violence both street violence and state violence and this is a very interesting violence both street violence and state violence and this is a very interesting state of things. Are the street protests interesting state of things. Are the street protests in russia are i think the most peaceful on the face of earth to have a window are i think the most peaceful on the face on earth to have a window broken or a car spread is not just doesnt happen its unthinkable so broken or a car screeched is not just doesnt happen its unthinkable. And the same time when Police Violence happens when states repressions have and the same time when Police Violence happens when states impressions happen we see from the polls from this its a logical numbers that people more and more we see from the polls from this its the logical numbers that people more and more dislike it so there is this distaste for violence which may also be more dislike it so there is this distaste for violence which may also be the fruit of russian turbulent history of. Hundreds of years if you the fruit of russian turbulent history of. Hundreds of years if you like people. I dont want to lucia nor do they want mass repressions what they do want change they want gradual reform my idea was this like people dont want lucia nor do they want mass repressions what they do want change they want gradual reform my idea was that this is exactly what we stand for we are on the council. Does exactly what we stand for we are on the council but evidently the Decision Makers have different impression i wouldnt it wouldnt be evidently the Decision Makers have different impression i wouldnt it wouldnt do for me to blame me for speaking things he speaks so he harmed before me to blame me for speaking things he speaks so he harm us for some reason. Or it leads us to the question that they have for some reason. Or. It leads us to the question that they have asked myself earlier shouldnt we have been more quiet during this summer have asked myself earlier shouldnt we have been more quiet during the summer so as not to harm the consul as a structure. My answer at this moment is so as not to harm the consul as a structure. My answer at this moment is now we did what weve told we should do and you did it at the now we did what we thought we should do and you did it at marring glee and of a lot of passion and with a lot of intellect and with a lot of integrity i have to say the end of it a lot of passion and with a lot of intellect and with a lot of integrity i have to say im a big fan of what youve been doing thank you thats why i am so grateful for your friends im going to im a big fan of what youve been doing thank you thats why i am so grateful for your time into our studio once again thank you thank you for the meeting full conversation its a pleasure to our studio once again thank you thank you for the meeting full conversation its a pleasure to pleasures all mind and then hopefully yours as well i hope our viewers can keep these calls to pleasures all mind and then hopefully yours as well i hope our viewers can keep this conversation going in our social media pages as for me and the team hope to syria again same conversation going in our social media pages as for me and the team hope to syria again same place same time on worlds apart. 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