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Kong events have certainly been highly biased in our view you know there have been a lot of description of the events in hong kong as Police Brutality whereas actually although the poll tests have taken place for over 100 days they have not really been serious injuries and no fatalities compared with the way western police hendo the los angeles riots in the 1970s occupy wall street in 2011 and the london riots in 2 or 11 also in 5 days there were 5 deaths several 1000 arrested whereas at home call we have over 200 policemen injured maybe a similar number of members of public also injured but really no serious injuries and no fatalities yes but arguably in london when there were riots the authorities here doubled down the grid to do austerity whereas in on kong it seems to be. One cave in after another to protest as you called of the legislation very legal unity with china back in 2012 you called of education curriculum changes because of protests why is it the hong kong authorities do everything the demonstrators appear to want them to do although some western media would like to portray our government as suppressor of the masses actually as you said our government has come pick children ate at several times to mass demonstrations because we are strong protect our rights and freedoms and we got jealously in our reputation you know and theres a lot of external pressure on us if there are any accusations against us so the whole call police theyre actually much more sinned against than sinning well presumably not going to capitulate by giving on going to the back to the british what does it make you feel when you see the British Union jack being flown by the protest does and the people wanting british rule well i think they should go to the pit consul a and ask them for petition passports for all those who flight because flights over want to exchange the British Special no overseas possible for british citizen passports they look at as solid a resounding no because the pritish have been amending then nationality and immigration legislation in the past decades so as to the bar hong kong people so these people are very naive if they think they cant get help when protection from the pictish already americans by flying their flags you probably remember when britain ruled on going in a defacto dictatorship is that a failure of hong kong authorities as regards education that the young in hong kong some of the young you know gong dont remember the british defector dictatorship or young people either. They have been you know on the very set victims of our new School Curriculum which has crowded out the study of chinese history and Chinese Culture and a lot of them have been brainwashed into believing that only western values are the universal core values and they have forgotten the need for respect and tolerance for views which are different of their own thats why in the past 100 days or more they had been fights between different groups of citizens would is the class dimension to the protests because i understand that though 1300000 people are trapped in poverty in hong kong and we seldom hear about that of course in the western major nation Mainstream Media which is the relation between poverty demonstrators perhaps for china and demonstrators prowest what i have doubts once so about the 1300000 thyca are People Living below poverty line but it is true that we have an acute land then housing crisis in hong kong you know about 200000 families have to live in a very small objects subdivided queue because at their high red posts and i think a lot of the anger has 22 or 3 acute housing problems and also the widening wealth gap and it is a fact that our government has not done anything to cure these problems in the past 22 years i think that is really what lies at the root of the anger do other members of the cabinet share say policy concerns over privatization in hong kong i know you are active as regards the link real estate. Investment trust and the poor market trade is rents went up by so much but i have no problem with the. Market economy but if you look at the hong kong stock markets the tour high flyers the 2 stocks which have done well they are the link reads and the n. P. R. See theyve done better than our Property Developers because basically they enjoy one not police they enjoy more not police and captive markets handed over by them by our government. Because of poor policies you do the u. S. Congress theres a law going to be being examined the wrong gong like Mainland China as regards Donald Trumps trade war what impact do you think that will have will it actually help the homegrown Authorities Authority over the b. B. It will go well youre talking about the hong kong human rights and democracy act to all 19 which are planes to amend the 992. 00 us Hong Kong Policy acts which gives public all different treatment for Mainland China under u. S. Law this time to new york though they have tightened up the scrutiny they are requiring the secretary of states to make any or certificate that there is no violation of human rights freedoms you know. That sort of thing in hong kong and it is more intimidating because it affects ones sanctions against persons identified by by the administration as undermining whites and freedoms and this is sending very negative signals of our hong kong in fact holocaust has a very Good Standing of its rule up law so this all top allegations are really unfounded and the bill is intimidating and sending very negative signals of our home cough are you prepared to be assigned National Chicken unhappy are you prepared to be sentient person and not worry about censure. I dont see any ground for sentient being me but im not worried about censure you know what time on happy about is when the u. S. Congress how hearings recently the Congressional Executive Commission on china as well as the Senate Foreign Relations Committee they chose to hear only form read because rather than hear form a wider range of 0 pinions from hong kong so they have formed very negative bias picture of the state of freedoms and human rights in hong kong. I would do the your colleagues in beijing say about how the hong kong authorities have have handled these protests because you surely knew the long history of u. K. U. S. Destabilization of jonah whether it be the drugging of its population and all sorts of attempts to destroy it want to be in china its not be the well has it or the common accusation of the west is china would intervene in hong kong would intervene in the heavy metal heavy handed way they would be a repeat of the solid can one events you know. They take has actually been exceedingly restrained in in their approach to walk the events of hong kong they are leaving it to us to resolve our own problems and i think we are resolved to use our own legislative and Law Enforcement resources to bring the current quizes to a close i think we will get this upon critics who are looking to beijing to intervene in the heavy hand that men are so that they can accuse spading up breaking their promises in the sign up addiction declaration and in the basic law i dont think we were for into that chat but when it comes to bringing people out of poverty when it comes to growth rates why do you think china does so much better than the special Administrative Region of ungrown we used to be far more efficient and effective before 997. 00 i think its because our Democratic Development you know im not that model think Democratic Development but the introduction of democratic popular elections thus mean that we have to allow a lot more time for bates discussions and the filibustering in our legislature which prevents us from getting things done as effectively as before we saw arent you just saying that its better under the british. Well we were so totally more more efficient under the british you know in before 997 although we did not have democracy until we did not have a quick to elections to the legislature until 9091 but we have walked the law so whole call was free even though we do not we did not have western style democratic elections and that system served us well you know where s. We have been going downhill since we changed our political system to a mall mall at the sario and democratic one so will you be the next chief executive of hong kong replace it gary lam its not i dont think so in my policy is to help the chief executive to stop the violence and bring that Current Crisis to a close ship plec show door job for 3 years and i will support the regime have thank you of the break as merkel backs trump in the persian gulf we speak to senior german dealing here in p 7 document about the tragic contradiction is the European Union Foreign Policy. But leading swades a board mark for me how on divided cities all of them or can we have a budget of going underground. Today there are good dentist and bad at it is the bad terrorists and those in yemen who the United States deems to be a threat the looked at it is some of those who would in syria the cia and the u. S. Military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. Where they were assassinating populist leaders they were backing up the right way military windows funding an army of death squads theres no posts anymore because theres always a small call of people for a really good this is a profit. What politicians do. They put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president. Or somehow want to be rich. That youd like to be approached as a white woman for freedom or cant be good that im interested always in the water out. There should. Time after time called her ration to repeat the same mantra sustainability its very important its accelerating transitions to sustainable prize board sustainability stay nowhere man not a more equitable and sustainable well. They claim their production is completely hamas. Its a complex number articles and it builds on the Companies Want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away and this is Something Else this must be going to mean and i mean look. This is the move in this movie didnt even and einstein seemed i mean understood with the superman and. Welcome back today saudi arabia concludes this years u. N. General assembly in new york this after donald trump said he wants to send hundreds of his soldiers to protect the kingdom that beheads and crucifies another country not only hosting u. S. Troops but the u. S. Is Largest Overseas bases germany which agrees with britain and the usa that iran was behind asymmetric attacks on saudi arabia that cause record breaking spikes in oil prices well we went to the use of about just me to a member of the bundestag the link deputy chair of Foreign Policy in arms exports 7 doug dillon on the site of where the berlin wall once stood i have to start with iran and in your capacity as the left Group Deputy Chair Foreign Policy and arms exports and disarmament do you agree with people in the Angela Merkel c. V. You say theres a moral duty to be there in the straits of hormuz to protect shipping from iran and i think were theres a moral duty to deescalate in the region at the position persian gulf because at the moment a station as very explosive and we have to. We have to make more pressure that all the military ships will go out of the region why do you think britain was so quick to offer support to the United States and donald trump over iran while its not a secret that Great Britain even in the past is very often very unconditionally on the side of the us. Regarding why. Our policies in the region and for middle east for example war against iraq and so we have a saying in germany as well that tony blair the former Prime Minister in Great Britain was the portal of george w. Bush in us and it seems that johnson as the new poor all of us President Donald Trump do you think your views a shared obviously by dealing the group of the liquor bodies but is it shared by other elements of. The political system here in germany well the majority of the people in germany is against a war against iran they are totally against it and they are in favor of deescalation and diplomacy rather than to. Send troops or warships to the region we have to prevent and do everything to prevent a war against iran because we. Assume that it will be worse than the war against iraq if it will start against iran see i think Prime Minister johnson would say he doesnt want a war either and here we are in Berlin Germany has the Largest Overseas United States army base in the world there are tens of thousands of american soldiers germany is germany you know approval well i never said its not but we had a no decision of the parliament and the Government Regarding the war against iraq we didnt follow the us like a Great Britain did i think after the withdrawal of french troops of Russian Troops and the british troops in germany there is no logical reason why 37000 u. S. Soldiers are on german soil can you understand why people in britain want to leave the European Union if. Not only do they know the germany is filled with tens of thousands of soldiers from the United States the European Union does things like recognize u. S. Backed president in venezuela in delinquency why the people of britain want to leave this European Union i mean of course there is criticize critics. About the European Union the treaty of the European Union the lisbon treaty and the policy its very. Unsocial its a military state and its near liberal policies but i think the decision on brets it is a decision of the british people and i am really. Preferring to stay back to advise or to say to british people what they should do or what they dont see Jeremy Corbin the leader of western europes largest socialist movement half a 1000000 members in britain. Hes the favorite to win the next to become the next Prime Minister dealing has been wiped out in germany while the policies of delinquent or popular here but certainly the policies are shared with corbin many of them where the policy is doing better maybe in britain well i mean i would be very glad if we call them would be the next Prime Minister in Great Britain but we will all see when you see all the opinion polls in germany the positions of the party the link is very popular you know we are against military interventions brought against us Nuclear Bombs in germany we want that the us take them back for example we are against the unsold. Policies of the malcolm government for example and so we do have a lot of common with the majority of the people in germany even for taxing the billionaires and the millionaires and but the problem is not only to have you know these popular positions so we have to get voters at their elections and this is a different question. Do you think the media is channeling in the media in germany is channeling opposition to the c. D. U. Straight to the f d is that whats going on because its the far right that is winning here while the far right is winning in some areas of the European Union its not just in germany you can see why the European Parliament elections so thats not new and its not only india really badly and sacks of the brandenburg yes i agree i know when we do have we do have reasons for that so we are still in discussions within the link about this and to have a strategy to form a strategy how should we get the voters back we lost and how we can get more voters my point of view the left in the past especially in the past 10 years they did a lot of identity policy but not the policy for the majority of the people. Class politics exactly. We have a lack of that we began by talking about iran german weapon parts are exported to saudi arabia of course trump says iran situation is about the attack in saudi arabia iran denies it. Well they have no to that moment there is no proof that iran did attack the drone attack on the all fields in saudi arabia ok but there is proof that german weapons have been used on yemen as part of the saudi coalition. As someone who is the left disarmament deputy chair what is going on because britain has now been banned at least until an appeal goes through from exporting weapons to saudi arabia we do have a german stop arms exports to save the arabia but unfortunately not. The arms exports stop to saudi arabia with the common arms with a Great Britain and france for example they unified has all the tornadoes we have to stop them as well of course because the saudis they are still bombing and making massacre us on the Civil Society are on yemen and i think its a contradiction to the to the Foreign Policy the German Government always always is calling they say we have a Foreign Policy on the. On moral. Values but i think its its not of value to say weapons to saudi arabia and they use it against the society in yemen well we invite the side youre unable ambassador to london on the show to respond to that syrian douglas thank you. While in berlin we also caught up with berlin based musician and artist mark foley have always supported suede played with david bowies final lead guitarist joey limited and i started by asking him about his new single divided cities well its its quite a simple song about bricks its. You know thats not all the k. Borders and everything beginning would be basically keep it simple for myself together with the berlin bit cities everyone knows this was famously divided whats it like living here in moving from england its its a great place to be an artist because its very very affordable compared to london or most Capital Cities do you think it is divided still this is a good question i mean i guess everyone is divided in about 20 different ways these days so where is the bricks of context in the i mean the song divided cities is about divisions politically and divisions geographically hence the berlin wall and obviously how people are very kind of. Divided ideologically you know to one side of the other side berliners obviously got used to the divided if hes history do you think because youre from outside you can still notice that context much more in a much more alive way than maybe someone who was born here just after the war came to berlin ziva quite its even really liberal of your opposite it goes from one extreme to the other then which makes it quite inspiring because its lived through well there is that other the rise of the far right yeah ok where you are supported swayed here in london very here in berlin and youre going to be boarding them again i believe so yeah every time they play berlin ive supported them over the last few tours so thats like 3 tours that they played theyve asked me to support the singer the singer brought under 7 so its very nice sort of like they were brother and hes a really good yeah. Yeah just a super nice guy and super inspiring guy as well and again quite international he also escaped from a small town so theres lots of parallels i think you know similar themes similar influences i guess so i mean stuff like bowie and all these kind of bands from that era kind of sing about being outsiders you know so i think its the same thing growing up at school and getting bullied and stuff and then you kind of find your own identity by moving away and became in an alien somewhere else you know so i think feel more at home here as an outsider in a strange way than i do in living in england you know even if its not so great things about england microbes meals about in england for example of about my quick meals here are a disaster and no one believes in ghosts and believe so thats a very. Grave wheels are better in britain so when you touring back in england i guess that depends on bricks it really so if you dont want me back then its probably a good idea to like you know forget that idea about bricks. Funny how that the studio is in berlin is single divided cities is out now thats over the show will be back on wednesday when you have a day over the brutal assassination of the Washington Post Jamal Khashoggi allegedly by saudi agents assisted by israeli spy ware until then keep in touch by social media dont forget to subscribe to our you tube channel. Imagine being a 635 and you have a career and a clear involves using your i saw in your computer and things like that in an office and perhaps you sort of killings and its circular to have to stop doing all this and this is tell you lou the minutes must be frightening my world became smaller and smaller and smaller until i ended up running it in a box. Or out of a very strong Magnetic Field on a card held in my head. 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