Transcripts For RT CrossTalk 20240713

And welcome to cross talk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle as we have said from the very beginning russia gate is a hoax and a fraud there is now ample evidence to prove this and what explains trumps flip flop on the Iran Nuclear Deal. Across stopping this and more im joined by my guest alexander mackerras from london hes a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the grand dot com and in nicosia we cross to our special for news they director of the duran dot com regiment crossed up rules and i think that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it lets go to negotiate a 1st over the last few days weve had blockbuster revelations about things that you and i know and we care so talked about for years that Michael Flynn when he was National Security adviser the early days of the Trump Administration he was set up by the f. B. I. Now we believe this from the very beginning because logic using logic we deduce this now we have evidence that its absolutely true that he was and traps and more than that explained all right so theres without a shadow of a doubt now that the f. B. I. Was targeting flynn and they were targeting him to either get him to commit perjury. Or get him to get him fired or get him to leave so that was our goal and we have to go back now to that we know how do we know yes ok so 1st of all we have the f. B. I. Notes from the former head of of Counter Intelligence bill kristol who after meeting with comi and Deputy Director andrew became so he was with me and with mckay his notes say what is our goal question mark truth of admission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired theres also some further notes that not many people are talking about but i think its relevant in our discussion peter where he says if we get him to admit to break in the logan act. Get facts to the d. O. J. And have them decide or if he initially lies then prove then we present him and theres and theres a part thats not legible there and he admits it document for d. O. J. And let them decide how to address it this is the d. O. J. Of Sally Yates Rosenstein all these obama officials all the anti truckers now lets go back further to 2018 where there was an interview with n. B. C. s Nicolle Wallace at the 92nd street y. Conference Something Like that and we have got the quote here so while this asks komi quote you look at this white house now and its hard to imagine 2 f. B. I. Agents ending up in the sit room how did that happen the situation room now komi says proud in heroic in front of an r h yeah and our ridge band bad resistance neo liberal woke audience which collapsed by the way which claps of his response is welcome he says quote i sent them quote something i probably wouldnt have done or even god in a way with even gotten away with in a more organized investigation a more organized administration of any references the bush and Obama Administration peter thats how we got here its an admission by comi we have the notes now from priest up in the alexander mackerras maybe im naive or just badly informed but doesnt the f. B. I. Just in vested gate in its others to determine what course of action should be taken it seems to me that theyre playing multiple roles right here and this is a conspiracy a conspiracy against the duly elected president of the United States when in the government within the government of the United States this act and but you know i really want to stress here people may not know this is not what the f. B. I. Is supposed to be doing go ahead out thats had. And he will i can can i just say when they were served when the congress is looking at this is this is one of the congressional reports on seekers from the Senate Action the f. B. I. Has very very great difficulty explaining exactly why they want you to interview flame. Because theres no clear crime here that clinton is alleged to be doing committees. He hasnt called to say shes with the Russian Ambassador to the f. B. I. Has all the translucent zones they know that there is nothing wrong so why exactly they need to get what exactly are they looking for and in fact different people and you dont go to me you go ok you got saudi yatess the. General theyre all lost and teachers and get slightly Different Reasons as to why the f. B. I. Is into it interviewing this person atoll and of course they go through completely in the wrong city just they tend to actually go through once House Counsel they get rain some eat properly there isnt cause discussions with any general flayed is told well you dont need a lawyer present you dont have to have any kind of a counsel their business is business. Quotient if any shape or form and of course this is on john as we see from the notes which alex sapporo is just discuss is clearly a case of entrapment i say that with complete cultus and consider also kobes words that alex was too far it was just mentioned. I could not have got away with it with a win in the Previous Administration got away with it this is a Police Official the senior Police Official all the you know. States to a king about getting away with some ease that heloc least mental and the nations most Senior Police officer this thing is a shocking affair it was a roast case of entrapment and thats when it was. Outsourced for i mean this obviously was the kneecaps being mean the new administration or you decapitate the National Security advisor i mean theres you know general flynn has a very long career and he did make a lot of enemies in the process it is widely believed that he was going to reorganize American Foreign policy in many respects not against iran he helped that position as other administrations and this was obviously directed it going after trump himself ok and of course i mean i know im going to be just a little naive here and sarcastic. General flynns name is in the steel dossier isnt it you know the answer about how. Peter though a couple of points in flint. Trump never got his. Got on the right track after they took out flynn you know he went through a bunch of n. S. A. Guys including the master and of course lets not forget john bolton and lets not forget all the trouble that bolton call. Trumps Foreign Policy so taking out flynn was was a key move for the neo liberals and the neo cons and the deep state as point one point number 2 is obama and lets not forget obama because if komi did this. I think obama knew or maybe even ordered in my opinion komi to do this because obama told trump to watch out for now why were 2 people exactly and joan ok exactly exactly ed now why did obama say that why did he want trump i think for one of 2 reasons and maybe both flynn wanted to get out of syria when actually exposed to syria to be honest he exposed that obama was funding isis alqaeda and all these guys and the other reason is that flynn wanted to dismantle the iran deal he was in favor of it which was a which was a keystone to to obamas Foreign Policy so obama warns trouble about flint he what obama hated flip so theres a connection here theres no doubt a connection between what komi did and the obama presidency. And we have Jeff Sessions that recused themselves so basically you have in the Justice Department hes meek out and also in National Security now and senator kerry isnt a week in this was a Counter Intelligence operation because of foreign official the Russian Ambassador at the time was involved this is a Counter Intelligence operation my understanding is that caused this to happen has to go all the way to the top all the way to the president of the United States its very difficult for me that barack obama can deny that he knew this was going are absolutely can i just point out this wasnt just a counterintelligence operation that began with flynt talking to the Russian Ambassador in december 2016 in fact we now know the plane who was the target of a counterintelligence investigation and the f. B. I. On going back at least as far as ogust 2068 then in december or january 2000 sixteens 2007 that investigation is closed because they find that there is absolutely nothing against flynn assault there is no evidence at all that hes a russian agent or that russian asked that i didnt go 7 through his idea never questions of his relationship with turkey that was where i met him i dont know but they what they do is they they decide to keep. It real or to. Open it remain open so that he can be interviewed again how about this conversation where they have the transcripts and they know that hes done absolutely nothing wrong and as i said they really come up with the can be rejects the nation oh why they are justified isnt immediately why do they do that well hes in black and white its because they want to get at is that the the words are actually that the f. B. I. Only. Which is a Police Investigation Counterintelligence Agency is a means to get someone saw it from the us is that help Police Agencies school to get a profile. Thats the victim komi f. B. I. Here but they just come back you know absolutely what only personally can openly the president of the United States who holds Barack Obamas through most of this period in fact nearly all of this period can be nominee where what was going all. The obvious thing is in the air is that theres been a gross misjudged this year i mean in general flynn and i disagree with him on a number of policies but its not policies its procedures here that have been violated hes bankrupt. He has his his career has been a blemish tremendously and hes been tarred in the media as a Foreign Agent a russian spy i mean we have seen people get to monetise frequent quote state news but i mean what about all of the Mainstream Media they reported fake news ok are they going to be monetized and the biggest question is now and if trump and i think he will soon pardon the plane thats going to blow up everything the entire narrative because the report didnt change anyones minds because these people are ideologically possessed but if you exonerate flynn that says something about establishment in the media and the liberals that push all of this nonsense on us go ahead oh you have point needs to be part of theres no doubt about it theres no doubt about that they targeted flint theres no doubt peter in my opinion that this was a coup this was collusion a conspiracy to remove trump no doubt about it this was a coup against the United States president it was the f. B. I. It was the cia it was the Obama White House it was the d. O. J. It was Robert Mueller and it was the main stream media. And while the alternative news sites and other news organizations have been reporting the truth about what happened during the entire russia gate hope russia hoax which is about the dumbest story the dumbest narrative noblest story and weve got it right here i have to jump in here gentlemen we have to our break and after that heart break were continuing our discussion. Real to say with. The world is driven by shaped by one person. Who dares thinks. We dare to ask. Thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the countrys military and the decision lotos shattered lives every song came to a complete. 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Welcome back to cross not where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle remind you were discussing some real news. Ok lets go to alexander macarius in london would switch gears here one of the strangest things that i have seen in Foreign Policy directives in my lifetime and believe me ive been in Foreign Policy junkie as long as i can remember i used to play hooky from school to watch them all watergate hearings ok im interested in politics but now you know i find it very interesting is that the liberal media the personally they they call the biggest clown in american politics is donald trump i would disagree with them its mike pompei because my company who now says remarkably miraculously united space never left the Iran Nuclear Deal United States is still a signatory to it what is going on here it seems to be a damn gambit about having. Both things at the same time and again this clownish figure is being laughed at unfortunately hes the secretary of state you know what im getting at alexander an exactly what it is i mean if this is a device this is a procedural device a calming plan if you will whereby the United States says that even despite the threat weve actually cooldowns all. Right thats. The iran deal of weapons even though weve pulled out of it we are actually still with me so we both to add again it at the same 1 and because were still in it we are in a position to say iran is in breach of this and theyre full that must mean the Security Council the un Security Council has across the board sanctions on iraq now i think this is absolutely ridiculous along under the anybody sees the law as you can see this whole approximately. I think this kind of juvenile to play. Which is what it is is going to cut a very bad impression around the world internationally again think the United States can succeed in this way and all that theyre doing it again is that they were raising question marks about accomplices and intelligence and frankly mix units of the people who are running the u. S. Foreign policy in the sun specifically mike. You know its in nicosia its being called diplomatic band to lives them and i think thats a very very good term for all of this here i mean not only is it ludicrous you cant have it both ways at the same time there is the european signatories to this agreement are not going to go along with that and theyve been subject to so much pressure even sanctions not backing the u. S. Position but it is so patently obvious that this is ridiculous on its face theyre not going to go along with it and and its you know it shows that theres maximum pressure on iran is a failure because all its done is to punish the people of iran even during the coronavirus sanctions would not be lifted they could not go there i mean this is such a spiteful policy here and it really is a indication of failure still. More failure on the part of this administration and not just this administration going back decades right now but what it does also for the trumpet ministration is to discredit the United States as a diplomatic player on the world stage you cant have 2 things at the same time that are constant contradictory go ahead oh yeah it also shows that the u. S. Wasnt you know when they got out of the deal they were thinking whats going to happen the next day and they definitely definitely did not think that you would have this covert pandemic coming in and hitting every country on the planet so i mean not only did they not have a plan as to how to deal with iran after they pulled out which was something that trump was talking about but as he was campaigning for president he would pull out of the worst deal of the century as he called it thats fine that was a Campaign Promise he became president and he executed on that promise but he did not think about the next day and how to deal with iran and then the people he put in place to deal with this my calm pale are even more clueless put on top of this a cove it pandemic thats destroying every single economy a Massive Health crisis all around the world and theres no way out of this at this point its in my opinion this is checkmate the u. S. 3 is in a box now iran has withstood all the sanctions theyve withstood the pandemic as well and theyre coming out of this in the lead the u. S. This is a failed policy the u. S. Has to go back and rethink this but i think theyre going to rethink this in the scheme of after the 2020 elections if trump does win those elections and i think its going to to kind of reimagine how to engage with iran but at this point in time i dont see anything moving forward here in iraq and that would be perfectly fine with me because a person 1st and foremost disagreement is a is a nonproliferation agreement and that is something good and it should have been built upon and not wrecked ok but alexandra heres me the odd. T. Of all of this here is that on the face you know trump says he wants a new agreement ok son but i mean how how can you have an you know locker that wants to destroy the agreement your country aside and say well we want to sit down and get a new agreement i mean no sane person is going to say ok because well you just tore up an agreement that your country and here to the Previous Administration and now you want to sit down now and youve added sanctions when were not in breach of the agreement i mean how can they ran and im just talking about rational actors here its not saying iran good or us bad here but i mean talking about how internationally lesions and diplomacy works and how it how can one in a lottery lead the other one saying but you just did this and you repeated it over and over again and youve added sanctions because you have withdrawn from the agreement i mean this is ludicrous it no one can take it seriously but what it does is it degrades that diplomatic efforts all or all the way around or have al places completely unconventional diplomacy to put it mildly in what he usually to what used to happen during the cold war which is you know the carrot on is that you come to an agreement it may not be perfect you may not be happy to sit down you go you take that agreement and then you move forward and then you negotiate on Something Else you know what you used to talk about homes who still sing meshes so you start with a very minimal say like iran cant you know retraces you re and then you move on to Something Else and you talk about Ballistic Missiles and you come to a further agreement of the law on negotiations about Ballistic Missiles and theres always some degree a quid pro quo here what has happened in this case is this 2 things firstly i think there is huge anger within the United States about iraq and this goes back a long way. All the way to the hostage crisis you know 179 all the way also to the feeling that iran somehow has come out on top when youre back in anger is never a good thing. Exactly its never a good counselor its just seizures made in anger always repents he did less thats the 1st thing thats thats one problem the other is there is of course always within the United States an enormous amounts of internal domestic dynamics so obama goes one agreements trump course who poses the republicans or get something which the democrats theres always the sense in the United States that no administrator is bound by was ever a Previous Administration by another. And that makes conducting to present a c. We think United States incredibly difficult the russians say that the United States is no longer agreements capable they use that expression its actually the russian government talks about this and im afraid to rate the in the radiance must be thinking that will serve and that makes it incredibly difficult for these 2 countries now which is so important for the stability of the middle east to move Forward Together to chief more understanding the moment reinforced greece and its recount or support is really quite interesting is that before the assassination asylum money there were indications within the region to reach out to iran because of this deadlock here and then the United States that for a power gets in there and starts starts mentally again i mean the interesting thing is is that we know on record that irans that that it will leave they an article of aeration treaty and thats exactly what the Trump Administration and maicon pay or what because then that is that then they they would say they have a legitimate response. Iran has left a treaty but iran wont do that because they know what the consequences would be i mean its really interesting is that its you if you watch this closely you know irans position is you know how its going to react the actor that you dont understand you dont know how its going to react is the United States because pump ayos attempt to really shuffle the cards here and that is very dangerous yet i think thats a great point because it knows how to handle the situation theyve been at the song and dance for many many decades they know what theyre doing especially at such a high diplomatic level. Came into office and im going to reference back our 1st segment on flynt because trump came into office and he was inexperienced i think going after iran even though it was a key Campaign Promise it was keep it wasnt the most important you know you had bill the wall you had immigration you had other things that were taking priority trump came in and i think dealing with the ron was a mistake he should have left it once again for the 2nd term because he bit off more than he can chew he had people in place that were neo cons and are ideologically driven lets not forget playing god mcmasters in mcmasters got bolton in even worse are going for from bad to worse mcmasters default then you have tom pale coupled with bolton and these 2 guys are running the show in north korea theyre running the show in iran and theyre advising trump. Meanwhile trump has this whole russia gate ukraine gate impeachment everyone is going after him he should not have touched iran until the 2nd term this was a mistake and now hes boxed in and hes boxed in with pomp in the league you know needs to go the 2nd term because compeer can handle the situations are better i mean alex was. In london i think one of the things that ive noticed and ive never really understood is that trump just seems to turn into under. Everything that obama did here is im doing his legacy and you know as people know this program and know me over the years i mean i do compliment the Obama Administration for this nuclear deal what the ran because it lowered tensions in the region and i give credit where credits due but it seems to me that the trump is just single minded because its personal for him that he must undo obamas legacy last 20 seconds go to you cant i think that there is a visceral issue 2 men a bum trump dislike each other intensely and obviously that influences what trump does also he was late along the way. In this fight with the wrong this is entirely driven by visceral considerations he has actually there are many people in the United States and just like iran thats the trouble here baby its been always been a qadr a problem surrounding himself with the wrong people thats all the time we have i want to thank my guests and in a go c. N. N. 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