Think that there are sort of like a Looking Glass in which society can see itself plus our ive become increasingly aware that epidemic diseases have really substantially transformed societies and are part of the major picture of how societies are who forged and have a decisive impact in that so theyre also extremely important as were learning now with coke at 19 i was living in rome the virus broke out and i coined that fortunately i had a very moral case now because arguably here is now a epicenter here in london to just say that it wouldnt surprise you that pandemics linked to capitalism and its destruction of forests say you talk in the book over the laws of the marketplace negative externality. Is at the end of the book actually yes indeed what youre saying i think its vital to understand whats happening that is to say we have a model of industrial growth that is rapaciousness and pays no attention to extra knowledge as you say as we progress of leader surely animal but were bringing animals and human beings into contact with each other and ways that never happened or sometime happened in the past that is now with increasing frequency and its not surprising then that we have. Ever greater number of spillover events in which diseases that is viruses in particular are transferred minute cross the species barrier between out of wild animals and human beings and anyone reading your book would also not be surprised by the fact that today governments say in nato countries are saying that the economic pandemic is it will kill more than the coronavirus pandemic just tell me how in your book you show epidemics completely transform countries from the haitian revolution to the 812 french invasion of russia the Louisiana Purchase the creative the modern United States as we know it we should expect political transformation from epidemics we should absolutely this goes back to the very earliest of adamic pandemic diseases one can even go back to the playground thems everything about things was transformed 1st geo politically and army is devastated and loses the war to sparta and sparta then becomes the hedge of monett power rather than ottens within the classical war and we also hear from 2 cities that democracy is destroyed we hear that on. Martin something that sounds very familiar had long been a welcoming place for immigrants known as medics are but during the results of this pandemic tens beat we see a surge of xenophobia and the great democratic leader paraplegia dies of the disease i should say that anyone tuning in actually greece has performed very well come comparably than coronavirus terms but you mention para clear as supposedly the u. K. Prime minister morris johnsons hero doesnt make you smile when you hear the especially warlike rhetoric about coronavirus employed by Bharath Johnson and donald trump of course now as the us in circles china with bases do you see parallels there as of the rhetoric really ramps up now about china being responsible as it were for the coronavirus pandemic do suit parallels in the scapegoating and blaming been very a red line linking these Events People were blaming immigrants and afternoons at this we were just talking about and we see during hiv aids that homosexuals were blamed when one is shocked but not surprised to see the blame china and here and its ministrations saying officially that its the chinese disease the will harm disease and so thats i think a very unfortunate and very anti Public Health measure well arguably of course the w. H. O. Has fewer and fewer resources now the United States apparently have peers to be pulling back funding for it but you do say that we must understand the virus itself that the disease is not random and that it virus like corona virus is. Selective and exploits what humans create rather than nationalities they should absolutely i would argue that diseases are known for its societies that create the parent ways by which diseases reach them and i would call this the 1st great disease of globalization and so no its not by chance that virologists have been saying for quarter of a century now that a pulmonary pandemic is inevitable as part of our future and now weve seen that its actually arrived many people by know that cull mox predicted monopoly capitalism arguably but you are writing about how our Economic System has created the fault lines upon which koval and tb or cholera travel you think theres something we can learn from marx prefiguring this too well marx was not thinking about disease on the other hand his description of a rip a shows industrialization process on a global scale are rings true enough and i do believe that this virus is demonstrating something he would have understood which is the tendency of the diseased to exploit the fault lines of poverty and disadvantage and we can see that that is precisely what coke at 19 is doing it is a disease if you look at a city like new york city that the its the poorer and the United States poverty is inflected with ethnicity and so its ethnic minorities have double and triple the rates of death from coke at 19 and then internationally we see that now covert 19 is ramping up to become a great disease of the global south its impossible to practice our means of defense in the industrial. North social distancing and washing your hands if you live in. In the shores of mumbai these tournaments that are densely packed with 10 People Living in a room social distancing is meaningless and hygiene is impossible in an environment in which so often and wonder are actually how to be purchased on a daily basis and are not freely accessible when youve been studying all these epidemics from time immemorial does it surprise you that elites dont seem to comprehend that they are only as strong as the most vulnerable time and time and time again i mean why is it that the mistakes are made repeatedly throughout the book by elites this is one of the distressing aspects of our past isnt that it seems people very quickly for one thing have amnesia after there is a sudden flurry of thinking about these events soon after theyve happened and also theres been a more sinister aspect which is this sense that the bar poor are actually guilty. Theres been a terrible tension between social classes particularly with those diseases that preferentially attack the disadvantage and so the blame game begins on a rich magnified level and we see this in the tensions this may be one of the factors that made the bloody repression of the not and the 19th century events such as the repression of the revolutions of 848. 00 tonight and the Paris Commune were in part i think the violence was magnified by the a sense of elites that the disease was the fault of what they called the dangerous classes and one can see this and. Of at 19 in the United States at the moment were of the form right of Rural America in the n. T. Lock down protests with flaming places like new york city and the poor and was with the hoping to withhold sort of payments of social Network Benefits from places that they regarded as undeserved playing and dangerous im not far from a so in london here do you think its ironic that i mean some estimates show britain being perhaps the worst in death numbers or excess deaths that the running averages in the world and you talk in the book famously of john snow under 50 years ago pioneering Contact Tracing and yet britain one of its 1st actions here was to stop all Contact Tracing i would entirely agree with that as a desperately sad irony britain not only did pioneer Contract Tracing but it also was the home of the Sanitary Movement in the 19th century with remarkable making cities safe and hunted genomic so its terribly ironic that britain should be in one of the worlds leaders and thats partly because it not because its unhygienic but because it failed to be prepared and failed to follow the dictates of science which said that we have just a couple of weapons for dealing defending our sounds from this disease and social distancing and testing and Contact Tracing are the only weapons we have and so it was remarkable that britain and the United States were partners and also brazil in not being willing at the outbreak of this epidemic to put those proud. This is in fact to protect the society well the books out now epidemics in society probably sales figures higher than your wildest expectations but as a franks the thank you thank you so much just been a pleasure after the break as corona virus spikes worldwide Domestic Violence the un special rapporteur a job rough because of all of it john Boris Johnsons britain one of the countries like the to me of who does russia not to ratify a Ground Breaking convention on violence against women plus indias socalled communist coronavirus laughable carola population 35000000. 00 deaths fewer than 50. 00 more going up about to have going underground. We go to work. Straight home. Though was a clip of shields no use to. Sca its always at the back i was a guy who moan with. You know we did immediately was taken to just the wooden at the corner pulled up by the smithsonian bush knew if they look at the clock in the. City they have a yes. The. Yes but. Thinking of getting a new phone the ones we got in here shows no problem why is he didnt know until he was trapped in this tiny little wired coach be going near the crate with him he will stir reaching out into the wall when its pretty much anywhere near. Breeding dogs or caged in the into lane conditions on puppy farm i mean 67 years you know theyve been locked up in a cage outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the courtier the rain the snow the founder nothing they have no protection. Because you. Know its ok. Across the u. S. Cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies that are coming from these large Scale Factory farming kind of operations are being sold in stores even joined a Group Businesses are involved like the mum center there has been a shocking amount of organized opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial breeding for so many most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with dogs dont buy dog. Is the United States hell bent on selfdestruction a pandemic a dramatic economic turndown and now massive civil unrest all point to decline could this have been avoided also targeting hong kong watching the looking for species label indians on. Welcome back in the 1st of the program we discussed the conservative liberal austerity that arguably facilitated the u. K. Having the highest rate of deaths from coronavirus among countries that produce comparable data maybe but how has that authority exacerbated the crisis for those at risk of Domestic Violence joining me now as governors are grabbing traitors the un repartee on violence against women its causes and consequences from all of it thank you so much the rock of our the coronavirus lockdowns in the main effect of violence against women thank you very much for inviting me during her career and i look down sir it is clear that home is not safe place and during global downs we mean and children are confined in different places that could be places of domestic wire learn serve even Family Services and there is problem with services that are needed to prevent such cases a while and in such situations hole is not a safe place so there are now all situations of increased risk of women and the government should be aware that they need to provide their for different measures that are needed to prevent such allowance even during the car wed like to bounce their view as were expected to say that as a un special rapporteur but i understand you believe that covert is illuminating preexisting conditions in societies that especially with respect to Domestic Violence against women youre right because there are preexisting inequalities in shortcoming send forms of gender based violence that is widespread in different parts of the world there are Different Levels of violence and there are Different Services available or not available even before the court so for example in some stays there are no shelters but in states where there are shelters we have to see if shelters are already libelled then for example protection orders hotline scalp line. Its different types of for Police Interventions they should be open and accessible is essential so we have to really call all governments all around the world tool or look into prevention measures to see which type of fur helplines could be available source sometimes it is even s. M. S. Messages are different types of floor messages that could be sent to all Grocery Stores or or pharmacies are signaling Domestic Violence and so on and so there are there are good examples there giving a vision can i just talk about the core centers because britain is one of the last countries to ratify the 2012 Istanbul Convention i mean what would you say to countries that say they couldnt afford it here in britain we had to bail out the city of london in 20008 came under a from criticism from your then colleague un special rapporteur on poverty and thats why britain could not adhere to the assembled convention of requirements for 24 hour help lines that alone the plight of Migrant Women the simple commission is providing girl eagerly binding standards in area of preventing domestic role in central and 2nd same inverter the same level of standards serve we also have in United NationNations Convention and elimination of all forms of discrimination against women there more general but through our soft leuchter pretty short of that convention basically those requirements that are in the symbol convention are also to global level in cedar convention sold those states that are not seeing possibility now like u. K. Are the strong Market Council of europe for the region to ratify the symbol convention they should be aware that they have those obligations also under United Nations see. Convention and a correlation and elimination a while and so against women we should be aware that are you know cases of domestic current context family sites are done by intimate partners are done by family members there right there is served increased risk for women in such situations and when we look at data from the native nations. You are not to see agency a whale a bowler its their website we can see their turn out of 10 persons killed in the context of intimate Partner Violence more than 80 percent are women and as United Nations special report on why and so against women i should call all states to establish a family said watch ok weve ever just very quickly though if the obligations are there anyway under the un charters or resolutions then you can understand why britain or russia russia has not rather 5 the convention you can feel dont want to maybe because of the obligations of their area what the point of is they will go over to obligations clearly expressed in the Summer Convention because theyre very specific and theyre showing what are those legally binding norms they should be included internationally just nation so are there are more precise soul for that reason countries are seeing them in a in a more legally binding manner that is really spelling delegations but in the long grants all those states that are not yet able to react if a simple convention they will do it because there are there are currently also using some buyouts of those standards in order to improve down ition legislation so the point is that if somebody can mention is you know way as a legally binding stronger with a stronger implementation a mechanism server and monitoring mechanisms there are Different Levels of monitoring that are really showing back at the national level. What da gaps and what the governments are not doing in line with International Law in the u. K. Is either 49 percent apparent increase in helpline calls or drink over spain 30 point to 7 percent and reported cases in russia doubling under the lockdown i just want to finally in the time we have a few about what youre hearing from palestine because i understand your one of the 1st rapporteurs to visit palestine in 2016 after a long absence of un rapporteurs britain sending record amounts of arms to israel what are you hearing about the effect of Domestic Violence from kovi of embellish the respect to all states since we are also under a log announces a special report not able to travel i am receiving information so also or to well on my sources so i have also included on my website all for all stakeholders whats been states nongovernmental organisations in the bent institutions to send me information about trouble and related still violence against women during the current 19 pandemic so now i am receiving a lot of informations and we are so much in the middle so its not easy to assess for example they tell you is not truly comparable the same is solved by list star in israel and all of the states and when i resisted the state of palestine and israel i here we commended collection for example of family say they and eve duelled also inclusion of genocide watch analysis of cases in order to see how to prevent such cases in the future but in general it is a problem with data because many steves will not collect as many sort of data on different forms of violence against women and we have to are now learning direction of really connecting they to our retail laws and policies and government responsibilities to act and to prevent violence against women and girls you know a special operator thank you. Thank you. Well if the sight of communist cuban doctors in nato countries saving lives is one thing news of a coronavirus slayer in communist carroll or in india is another arguable nightmare for supporters of near liberal capitalism joining me now via skype from carola is careless communist Health Minister k. K. Challenger credited with masterminding a coronavirus strategy that could have saved countless lives all around the world thank you so much minister for coming on obviously karen our population of 35000000 if we took britains maybe 60000 dead figure we would expect may be 30000 dead in carola but you havent seen 30000 dead in kerala what is the situation there like that dont make the garden i wondered and dark its as false if you cases i am because of largely preparedness the individual desires out of there are many that have been very date of the battle to get that day and order their recover and discharged from the hospital. But our 2nd phase started again then being a new glad it ended it let lock down in march and it it was easy to do all that invented the floor from our safe to get law. And we did now do with that but some sort of dont order need to get a lot. Because our goal was to court and isolation and treatment the curator the was in 2 cases and then they planned to make it out in britain to graft become low and be flogged in the gulf but after that event a lot of them believed dead and the again they had targeted begin the graphic it shows that ace and that there has been or there has been a rise i understand in the in the past few days but up until recently youve only had a handful of deaths the 4 International Airports were closed down but why is it that you and your policy was to test and treat us in britain the decision was made to stop all tracing yes we have testing the symptomatic cases we have screening. Yet policing and screening them limited and or so if they are coming from someplace you know object was to be up testing each and every body and symptomatic cases we actually fitting to the hospital as endemic to be at it you dont want current day stick to have caught and day and we have watching each houses and the hope of the doctors of the Monkey Island police and helper gooders you dont need to do not need a mobile phone app or you doing this with people yes we have a good day and knew that it was a man as the nation among the poor and evicted joint vocally got to do what we had doing everything here if people travel to britain they have to pay for their own quarantine in care or the government the communist government pays for the quarantine yes bit of a Public Health system here and also be percent dead approach and we have a. We can create Awareness Among the people that do in britain and ours jodeci 157 we have. Had all of us dont go home and here and it is under the leadership of communist party and also. Socialistic approach and the centralized approach and after that given for all of that to be centralized planning and i think because we have a system be created a system here and c under the base of that system. Managing these things with the help of the poor in associated manna and just finally and briefly carola is now producing its own p p Protection Equipment is that right we are reducing now but it is not some fission we have buying from other braces also took the riyadh collecting from out that part of. The country down 30 they have where scarcity for these been b. But now will be a collective but it would amount and now we have sufficient using b. P. A profit of it and we are protecting our had to have it because property and we have separate the night and 95 miles to each individuals but do that when we have protecting our capital theres probably Health Minister thank you. Thank you very much and thats it for the show will be back a wednesday 73 years since lord mountbatten later killed by the ira proposed indian politicians which would kill or displace 60000000 people until that wash your hands join the underground by following up on you tube Twitter Facebook instagram and chant. Aha no t. V. No crowd. No shots no. Action just felt. Well strong no arrests no. Points your thirst for action. Has changed american lives and pharmaceutical companies have a miraculous solution. Based drugs the people who are chronic pain and believe that their prescription is working for them and the remedy be sent to the price that they pay closer dependency and addiction to opiates the long term use that really isnt scientifically justified and ill study actually suggested that the long term effects may not just be the absence of benefit but actually that they might be causing long term. Truck plows into protesters as america rages for another night with more looting more Austin Police protest of violence over the death of george floyd coming up his armchairs her thoughts on the nations reaction. Im all for having me on. You. Nationwide protests see riots Police Clashes and looting dozens of American Cities now impose curfews to try and stem the violence and in other news most of englands primary schools reopened this monday after the coronavirus lockdown but many pupils are expected to stay away nonetheless says