A cold or your words has become not only immigrants and as the last records and i will say this pizza after us glance i was extremely dubious because allegations of the name sure which are being made by this committee of tolerance against russia should legally manifest itself in at least 100. 00 pages but the rules was only 20 pages and that is a very strange strange events sandra lee the who is full of the traditional language of british official language such as the u. K. Is committed to the rule of law the u. K. Is committed to up hold in the International Law based system the language of british officials are paid to has for centuries deceived a great many people brinson and codes now turn into the cons and there was no evidence whatsoever forwards to support the accusations against russia indeed intrudes paragraphs it clearly states if there is a no evidence to support a bass and russia interferes in the solution as an untruth in source independence referendum and in the sand paragraph it clearly states it there is no evidence. Russias interference in the us who files the 19 general election in britain on that basis there is no case to be heard because there is no evidence corroborates in these assertions against russia what we have seen in this report is possum parcel. Very well orchestrated and i was very loose less media p. R. And Political Campaign against russia because russia is not russia will the 99. 00 seas and russia is a russia resurrections much of it so yes irans superpower status is and that is what is high in this report that is what is behind the fear of britain and america well its an immature think made very curious about it is that its essentially is demanding people like ourselves and our viewers to prove a negative because they make a claim and they trying to build a case to satisfy that claim but they obviously dont and they turn around and say you have to prove to us that they didnt meddle this is inverting the entire inverted and logically end and actually how you approach the law in any kind of meaningful honest investigation go ahead oh well this is exactly the point because instead of saying you know we have all this evidence that there is russian meddling you know politics and you know setting out what the evidence isnt coming to conclusions all this saying is there is no evidence of russian meddling in our politics that must mean that the Intelligence Services are not doing their job properly because even though there is no right. Now we. Do find it and then i see absolutely right in saying that very aggressively people like us. Dare i say the russian doll as a well you know no evidence at. That you actually did metal should prove to us that you decent its its not marcus was talking about how do you know judicial approach is legal is it a judicial approach its a well turned on its head it says you know you know we make this search and we bring all these extraordinary genius witnesses people at William Browder christmas steal people you know who have their own well known views about russia we dont look beyond that we dont call it academics or insults from Miss Universe just people who you know we know weve got them and all programs like looks of that were just me can see notion we make an assertion its not a saturday session not an assertion of facts but his old beliefs and then jamal means that the other person the other saw its premise is wrong i think heats its its its alice in wonderland stuff and you know what you are mentions i want to kind of go deeper and. Marcus here and be the expert external witnesses here im reading from the report here and William BrowderChristopher Donley lucas christopher. Think its gone to the point of being ludicrous i mean all these people have a right to their opinion but this is the external witnesses theyre experts here of one sign of this debate if its even to make this one and the accusation here i mean shouldnt the writers of this report be embarrassed by this i mean anyone who watches russia fares in every respect of how you feel about it with everyone going to the conclusion this is really one sided go ahead mark. Well if britain has a free and independent media then it is journalists both for the cost and prince fans want to highlight it to the British Public and that these excerpts and i use the words in a very loose way in inverted commas these acts on russia are not all jacksie of individuals when it comes to some boston masses wife because for many years now after they have demonstrated his or seriously so who lost they have demonstrated his hostility towards the russian government hostility towards Russian Foreign policy so they are not objects if it and they are certainly not impartial but once again what we see in britain is another example another manifestation where british politicians fear were emboldened so many accusations of any kind whatsoever against lusha know it and they do not have to put forward evidence to support those assertions of. Mainstream asia will not question they will certainly not ask penetrating questions they will last groups and i see why because it may just sounded in britain and also in america piece how collapse as that is why british politicians feel they can make any claim against russia because they know british Mainstream Media is not going to scrutinize what they are saying their money theres no downside of being wrong here ever ok im going to be here im going to make this a year of course this is this is hostility towards russia and this as you both are nato i do balls your defense spending in the u. K. And in United States i mean in the team then in. So city of an enemy but theres a kohler area to all of this and i think its even more insidious because these the the agenda i just mentioned thats going to go on anyway ok well talk about china later in the program here but this is really a pitch for censorship and its ok for the Security Forces to control free speech to decide what is excess acceptable speech and of course the other point here this is directed right at us here at r. T. You know what absolutely i mean the 1st of those experts i mean this is a tiny group of experts an impartial investigation would call for many many more experts learn and then this and expose little diverse backgrounds and diverse views these people were chosen because they are known to have the views about russia that lead you to your quite right the only. Evidence and i think only evidence i mean i use the word in evidence in inverted commas the any actual quotes all made on made about russian will cost us about r c and about scrutiny and of course hope we see we see a campaign against these broadcasters afterwards and who pursues these increasingly enough the leader of the British Labor party coming back to marcuss point who is of course a lawyer he must know when he reads this your absurd it is so charitable i would call him a tool theres a very minor but he he has a Legal Training he has a Legal Training he must see when he reads this report that his factory that its the experts behind it are not you know from a representative pool of russian experts not remotely and yet hes campaigning now for r. T. For its actions and yet taken against oxy. I dont absolutely what is just russian book but his voice is dissident voices and we place and its really interesting because there is such a thing as off coming in supposed to be its not supposed to be partisan here now what were hearing now from the labor party is that it should be. Partisan the government should get involved and decide what is a good speech. Safe speech security speech for for the public sphere in britain i mean this is going over the line i mean i have my issues with off coming in and now theyre going to be shelved aside in the governments going to decide what you can say what you can hear what broadcast mark is that i mean that you. Well pisa for many years now common has been the british on unsolder british test status from an. Unofficial sense censorship asians say so there is not much to learn from whats off the console it says that in regards to the labor party let me tell you this because certain policy is the establishment it is the past year the british establishment the labor party has along at an Opposition Party controlled by the british establishment in d. C. So you diplomats in the 940 s. In the 1950 s. You saw reports that some moscow the labor party is also chain you in socialist it is our policy control idea sounds from now then again the policies led by socialists i dos socialists have to be right for example my who 1st and in recent times very cool but as far as the british establishment is concerned now that she is star is head in the labor party the labor party in their eyes is back in safe hands ok well you know i mean theres that report will have delved into the oligarchs russian oligarchs living in the u. K. And how they use their money little influence but i suppose that will come out in longview right gentlemen were going to go to a short break and after the break well continue what its real news day. Syria has been engulfed in civil war for almost 10 years it cost hundreds of thousands of lives and displaced millions more no one foresaw the peaceful protests of 2011 this collating into a complex conflict between various armies geopolitical interests rebel groups and you had a. Its not clear. How they are knee on the dock on this. But if you tell us if you say you hate the. Message look cool. You know deep complex. About the money. And or the nasdaq that i. Missed the times the other day and then the shame i laid on the staff paid a shock to hear. It i. Welcome back to cross now where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some. Ok lets go. Back to london i was going to be here as my comp a. O. Has been very on bombastic i would say in the last few days here hes taken a take it was a swing at north north stream me and also hes come out very loudly about china here in let me quote you something he said here its really quite interesting to me china ripped off our prized intellectual property and trade secrets costing millions of jobs across america really tiny did i thought i thought american corporations did that maybe i got this wrong i had our well youre 1st of all youre right about this i mean it was american corporations who decided student send their facts to restate china not just to china by the way to makes indonesia talk ons of places thats supposed to be you know their Business Decisions america rist the land of Free Enterprise all through all thats the idea anyway but seriously i found pompous speech extraordinary troubling and very very concerning i mean its. Unbelievably aggressive in its language 8 paints a picture of china which is so dark i mean im not going to say that there are just people mail your. Oh i dont well quite but i mean its clean eating into not just us all to do full spectrum chandran to us its clearly more than just jobs an issues of that kind thats a demagogue a half specht of this speech intended to rally American Public opinion is clearly looking for a long confrontation with china which is now being represented just basically do you soviet union so were back into all of that all over again its cold war suit with a vengeance and i have to say i think a lot of people in europe especially will be looking at this and they will be you know shaking their heads. At once and say to themselves oh no nazi get because this is one of his biggest trading partner is china it was remember that cynically as he geminis journeys biggest trading partner is china and this is what its all about that kind of goes you have the demagogue statements about china stealing our jobs. China stealing all technology the chinese cant come up with their antic knowledge thats why theyre a. Who is ahead on flights because the chinese ambassador. Or i note that in many cases when it will end western Companies Want to do business in china is the day they sign a waiver to a lot of their technologies i mean its not as if it does doesnt just go espionage happened of course it happens now is it me always and my company or thinks its only one country in the world it doesnt everybody does it are you a part of doing business here let me go to marcus here is one of the things that we also he said is that the world must change china or china will change us well thats kind of interesting there thats kind of a form of orientalism if i had ever heard any go ahead. And i know that. That is a form of passive aggression and that is something a vast of course the worship be very very alarmed by but i suspect peter that i have a dissenting voice in all of this yes on the one hand there is clearly growing tension between washington and beijing that manifest itself hardly in American Military mini this in the South China Sea and also the trade war but on the other hand i submit that it is not sit in the interests for either america or china for there to be a further and major serious deterioration in the relationship between the 2 countries because if they was if the economic relationship between the americans and the chinese was to collapse if it was to be settled and then both countries almost overnight would go into recession the chinas projects the one yes and that has a very very large ambitions and i have no doubt it will prove a great amount of money for the chinese but it will not compare to the trading and investment relationship the chinese have with america and i would also say this there are a lot of commentators who are us who can talk about Chinese Military minds and how the chinese could as americans in the South China Sea where yes the Chinese Military would certainly fight anyone in the world to defend Chinese National security but the Peoples Liberation army laments the Largest Armed forces museum in the well as this chinese i have progressed when it comes to tender logical masses and they have done exceedingly well they are still dependent on luster for hightech cannot. For a lot of. Different systems and also from ash if generation x. Is china has the congo who are going to who retire harsh you will see the difficulties the chinese will encounter in fighting to a very advanced military that is high around the house so you cannot compare the Chinese Military to the American Military i dont think were there yet and i think go back to the point you made a minute ago that out of the many years i mean its the United States thats threatening trade its not really the beijing doing it i mean. You know it you know the way its being played out now its either or its the china world or its the west you know whom im watching and sense as me and its being pushed to look that direction at this point is a very dangerous game of chicken but i dont they get it one wants real confrontation here but whats happening here and its go back to my point they are hes concerned with nas or them thats where we are in this struggle right now im going to be careful this is exactly because i take all the points that monkey says and youre absolutely right peter if you read the Chinese Media or does the chinese english language media they are afforded by these events they dont looking for a fight with the United States theyre not looking to sever the economic relationship with the United States all points that marcus is making about this being interim mendus own goal full both the United States and china if they move to an adversarial you know hostile well the chinese themselves when they hear them am quite ill but the fact is you are discussing this in a rational way and there is not much rationality in life is each theres not much rationality in u. S. Policy about china at the moment and other countries there are not these things in. A more rational way the europeans the southeast asians countries like taiwan countries like thing that means theyre looking at all of this and theyre being asked to take sides in exactly the way that you say and they dont think it they dont want to be told but that is the world that people like mike. And it must be set a lot of people in the United States ought to getting it didnt act out on this list all but you know i remember there isnt much push back to its very messy and they can apocalyptic behind me which which is completely counterproductive because a pumpkin also has a chain has taken so if bandage us in western generosity what world is he living it. Well this is the same individual case i do want to say only the cia has or for our own foreign governments now when had i have come here or indeed other western politicians talk about generosity well i suppose generosity has been defined in there are no terms i dont trade could be chinese would find it generous how the americans and the british or the special services or america and britain have interfered in hong kong and have all this traces and are provided assistance to the militants princesses in hong kong i dont think the chinese or indeed any other country in the well us will find it generous that the American Society is leader cloying elements or lysis to these ngs im told and where she is a restless muslim province in the way in the west in most parts of china so you know how on earth can my computer make the assertion that bats america or the west in general has been generous but then it takes me back to my points which i raise. Earlier on in this episode my own piers is simply one west some politician who knows there is not going to be scrutiny with his comments when it comes to oh it comes to china because american mainstream and major simply the american assertions and sadly for they are not go into question here when it comes to china because american mainstream age is not a free no independent they all use as a weapon and i would say most potent weapon the west has in its arsenal so attack countries in the road which for sure independence foreign policies you know you know i was in a meter is meeting is a very interesting confluence of events right now we have the upcoming american president ial election donald trump is way down in the polls. If appears i think that theres a growing consensus that is greatest weakness is the reaction to the corona virus plague of course his administration is pointing all of the blame at china the the recovery is not in the cards or news for the majority of people here china just isnt it is a very convenient card to play right now i would say and it can be it is convenient because theres no pushback as marcus was saying but is extremely dangerous because the interconnection the coupling of the American Economy to the asia chinas economy is so very very deep and intense nothing like if ever was with russia for example go ahead well youre quite right i mean they receive the atmosphere in the United States at the moment is extremely feeds us and obviously there is the political dynamic there isnt domestic political dynamic you make china skate all americas fadia to deal with the Virus Outbreak in fact is part of the. Home to his speech actually touch is all this is all showing us all you know things are happened in the way that they have happened the fact that china dealt with a Virus Outbreak much lawrence thanks to the us to stop is another issue but we must understand 2 things about this firstly the drift towards confrontation with china has been happening on actually started under Barack Obamas administration overseas hugely except or at least in the last few months but the drift was already pointing that way and the 2nd days that there is no real discussion all disputes in fact that we see in the United States is a very very strange and lynn the Financial Times main exactly that point im worrying about saturday you know when to make a last observation here i remember the the the 1st cold war of the soviet union and there was a real debate today there is no real debate when it comes to china thats all the time we have i want to thank my guests london i want to thank our viewers for watching as your r. 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Among the other stories that shapes of the week here on our to international the u. K. s Opposition Labor Party pushes for our broadcast license to be revoked after a report on alleged russian influence and we ask londoners what they think were going to show i dont believe