Screen used a little there about our jobs and resenting the things we used to be beer about our private lives the historically unprecedented response to the call with 910 damn it has definitely masked the author of our life saturday what will they get will be a lie once its over to discuss that im now joined by kitty in the short minute russian political scientist and a popular you tube are you can tell its always a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for carving out your client asking out its it is a kind of. Life balance. Where you get to see a study its a kind of going to write a song think brings a kind of diversity so you date and in fact i think you in particular have been talking about marriage being all work and private life as a major social or labor trance for quite some time i think youre going to get me theres a. Yeah and im sorry to say but its reached its. Unexpected average you with this onset of south isolation i wonder if you have had a chance to adjust it well on the on how do we ave a privileged people hey academicians so we used to leave this way before it was mainstream on tao the have its evident that its not normal and that he shouldnt conceive you should be like that as surprising mean tony was not how easily i have adapted so there was nothing i just said that to. Rather the opposite saying i suddenly realized oh maybe i should have known it before this social component of social sciences was always so much against talking sorcerers or using inside information i was always saying that its all out there in the open source as you know official documents but now i see that there is this thing and thats not Insider Information but this is being in the atmosphere with people and institutions you spread it visiting the evil behalf usually bad that used to be so cancelled so its such a long time once you are deprived a whole days youll begin to perceive how the quality of your work deteriorates well i hate to break it to you we are social species and its their lives to bookworms like yourself just as my just to everybody else now i heard me say a couple of years back that work especially a fulfilling work worrying that drains not just income but other crimes of great vacation will one day become a luxury and i think that nowadays any kind of work is actually actually a privilege especially coupled with a monday to restrictions on social and mobility how much longer do you think states around the world can afford to maintain that no god. Mountain the world has an interest in keeping its citizens locked up so they know that their virus will go by list your rules and restrictions will remain i think its a panicky scare idea the governments of the world are very much interested in lifting this restrictions but they are evidently and reasonably doing this in such a way as to provoke another wave action i think we shall worry about the oncoming level of poor see that will be faced by millions and millions of russian citizens and people all around the world this will be cared for really. Restaurant sounds coffeeshops will come back our services will revive but some jobs lost will indeed be a lost forever to those people who. Are the advantages of working for the state evidence right now because these people received their salaries they knew but was the stain your pro period will be over this advantages will not be over this state has been primary job giver in russia since well since since a long time ago but. 14 the number of people directly or indirectly and debts owed to the state for their Cell Research has grown it will likely grow even more because other. Workplaces will be scarse and this is not a very good saying well at the mill state is it isnt in good shape right now and regardless of dire political system and i would claim that this is perhaps the most consequential catch 22 situation when there are simply no easy solutions but i also see a lot of a lot of distance done building up around the world and the notion that this states around the world with their. Very very few exceptions would prioritize how considerations off a very limited group of people and were talking about 10 to 15 percent of the population who the virus of claims about only the die how considerations would be prioritized over Everything Else given where we are right now gee think it was ultimately a good call on the part of a very just to you know to these people on the pedestal and ignore Everything Else dickless and they arent of the day this is an issue of priority everything has its costs and cannot be the jad she lists all the governments of the world have been acting in a remarkably similar manner as you know it is no matter whether their democracy is all talk process and this for Political Science this has been one of the remarkable things to watch and to analyze the measures have been very much similar even bill is just lace them and the neck and the poor employed during this weeks crisis has very large similarities so its not the question also although horses being more a factor in a democracy has been more effective rather rational to rely on being in the same not this similarity rather should tell us that it is so diverse governments have the reason for acting like they act even its so great an economy and what would that be. The cost. Well. I heard you say before that the reason the wide you know states around the world were compelled to behave that way or to react the way they reacted was because of the appreciation in the value of human life and i take a major issue with that because the save lives of obit 9000 patients a likely to come of the cost of many other lives were talking about you know either patients who ran be able to travel well lifesaving treatment abroad were talking about. Domestic abuse which is likely to have increased over the stressful times were talking about people who lost their livelihoods or mental how because of this a deal when you look at the human cost of gold that andranik and the response to compress how severely is it really such a humanistic response isnt it actually saving some and more safety in the other we can ask people for long term consequences because we cannot we dont know what would this situation be enough there were no restrictive measures and act as a whole imagine. Then it all go away and. We dont need to imagine that we can look at. The example of sweden and it is clear that at this point the number of fatalities. Is slightly higher but its not overwhelmingly so i mean we have some indications that at least you know case in areas that many people were painting and many scientists were painting and submitted to the government it may have been overstated i guess i kind of does a touch of that medical specialists are even specialists in economy but i must have an issue with a swedish example we dont ease not conscious that did nothing about it and it cost little as a country that did not employ legislative follies restrictions on its citizens until speeches all School Restaurants in stockholm are as a misleading their words and government will advise people to stay at home and a lot of them did and they are also connected to the fabric of social life in northern countries is different from the country so they do have a kind of course but its uncommon dasent its not is not obsolete i agree with you but its far more did very response down the blanket ban that was imposed are. Recommended in some countries now when i was thinking about it you know what came to my mind is the culture of this socalled phenomena and safe it is now that we see in some u. S. Colleges which creates a moral hazard for College Administrators to overreact to every complaint from a student and we ultimately imperils education and Critical Thinking and i wonder if together with this common 1000. 00 pandemic were also witnessing the outbreak is all departed governments when they think that its better to be saved and story even though distraction you made us say its. All right youre going to say for a while us the last thread im sorry about on the kind of consequences that that calm. But when i was saying and continues to say that this matters. Around the world has been the consequences they have high value of human lives i was talking exactly about that there is a dark side even to a little higher cost of human life because even poses it imposes a certain duty on any public government so it cant just say lets let life go on as a did for the sick will get sick somebody will die will try to help those women who will lead or not with the business as usual that isnt possible they need to share that they take a stance and but be it in addition you feel on your even if this is costly. Rationally but then thats the only outsider i fear and i dont the time including on the russians they dont channel these kind of argumentation but we know that this is a highly discriminate its a virus it goes primarily after people with preexisting conditions to put it bluntly sick and that you know type 2 diabetes is the prevailing disease among the population and i dont understand i havent heard anyone are really clearly why do we have to isolate everybody agreeing become a chokehold instead of isolating this is to decrease the population at least have the highest chance of and in that ending up in the Emergency Care units as opposed to everybody else who has either very slight or no symptoms that told you im a very wrong person to put this question to but what i say. The circumstances lets watch the consequences thats what were social site is do lets wait till the end of the quarantined measures and see how they call in here we bounce in the healthy economy of a rebound maybe quite speedy and that will will say thank you to it is democratic and then on the credit government that you learn to trust your actions that killed elasund. The noble cause honest im going to sound everything came back normal effect of this will serve as a kind of. Accelerate search to an economy crisis or in the context of a nation that has already given its weight and thatll be a whole different thing russia we are in that you know kind of and all that and all the best all we do know how of a virus but we also know how. Economics the nation problem that was there before and we shall be im president of oil prices crisis which has not altered and began to take real consequences we will see for example a sequester and all solid federal budget we will see the budget deficit and will see if there are necessary inevitable cutting off sounding of budget the risk and the hurry mellon society as a whole is expecting their well takes or how well you could do before you turn into a full fledged prophet of the our callouses lets take your very very sure that i do know this not only because the we have seen this things before we have some right that if you want some real or a colleague sick prophecy you should i could name a few names. So here we are people back so you need. So i am getting very noticed. I will definitely be interested in exploring the spill but after a short break lets take a moment but we will be back in just a few seconds akin. To what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy Going Foundation let it be an arms race of his own often scary Dramatic Development the only really im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and tom. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back to worlds apart from the keep it in the show me on that russian political analyst economic just before the break we were talking about how common 1000 is a highly discriminative virus which primarily goes to people with preexisting conditions and speaking specifically about type 2 diabetes and other its a ball of disorders i think at this point it is absolutely clear that they. Are definitely earning than it otherwise would have been and even before obese dominic beast kind of diseases south is related diseases diseases also a lifestyle well radie bankruptcy public how care sector is in many countries because of their old bowling costs for example just in the United States about there in the federal budget goes into medicare and about that of medicare it is child to diabetes now the question i want to ask you is about the prevailing social norms of the time being which tree house as our turn signal issue do you think thats a sustainable social norm at a time when society is that expected to make such dramatic sacrifices to treat these diseases that are easily preventable we do not now own the virus goes off so we have a lot of data but its killing data so well be able to fully jabs all he wants. And 2nd i would not describe any disease as its looked at although of course there is a connection between the old way of life and the way are sealed as also genetics. Inclination or does inclination towards a disease so its not a thing you can blame a person on for having having made though those 2 of those deployed 2nd proceeds to your original questions about the august the 6th type of privacy and this is her this is very interesting thing and this is my kind of thing because its social and its political. By a policy or by a politics of the way the state or society are all the needy all the lords and early on and laundry the lords interfere and direct your physical action and what things are allowed and what. You doing. With your body was a body off your loved ones with your children how far can a pair of judge for example window look to vaccinate their child. Before that weve been all of this our general liberal drop off our my body my decision and if i harm myself a way of making this decision as if yes again is right or wrong its being used in the fear with society even liberal society it may be as tall as their chav parents relations course on the one hand a we share to perceive the family as cast as safe have privacy at the same time we as a society cannot tolerate the full parental power over a child the power of other from merely a small aroma base as we do interfere our society and our legislative systems interfere but it comes to and you raise all Development Well just jail. House now this is the logical say for to is perceived as a kind of public goods to be defended by the force the full force of the lawyers forcing states is interesting how this things will develop but where we may be sure the thing will develop maybe we will see for example for moments a risk in Public Places as a customary thing as we have now those safety restrictions are the measured service and now where we got years during the last 20 years that reading search error search oh yes we girls will strain. The airports at any public location maybe we will see the same kind of frames that will measure our got a temperature or maybe you are an arab by the way because this is one of the. Major factors risk factors allo still diseases including call it 98 its a major risk factor it is by weight what you put in your bio. Is not going to be on li your decision or is it going to be at least inquire the matter of society because and the end of the day you ask a society to pick up the bill for your ram expound in later years well you may recall after how a number of scandals rob so its a recently about high prices for airplane tickets 14 waiting over. Actual grams and it was it was a whole host of public questions whether companies have the right to charge a high price is what its such a meal with its discrimination or not and now its that was an innocent debate. And now would be. Next step the question the real question is the question off policy measures how do you know him. Things that you think beneficial for society will find people who are waiting more again. Are large do you know if you teach him Healthy Lifestyle and didnt teach every school child to cook for example and in this lay you try to make us a science you tell. Me what the line between the lines between christmas and democracy even make it into a distinction between the talkers and democracies and yet me know that democracy is on base from the most. Paralyzed i mean the challenge of raising the United States from call bit by to these the highest in the world and its the highs in this age mid to high straights of business and i heard you say recently that consumer is we just very directly related to the consumer business here just a comment 19 is gone is not going to kill it and and the center of consumerism is a sick mix of well likely and perhaps mentally. Compromised individual that requires a lot of services when we talk about the value of human lives is that to really be conduct live that we have to cherish that me ask you aspire to protect you know that the United States which means a lot spends a lot on how care is on the verge of bankruptcy and health care is and the verge of bankruptcy because its not sustainable there are doctors who are talking about dementia as type 3 diabetes because many diabetics go on to develop dementia and if you imagine you know this whole population of diabetics and many people who are children will have to take carol i think its a question of intergenerational you know soul and tired transparent its why should our children take care and pay for our excesses you imagine i always children the general generational. As just isnt this more of a. Re how sick people who want have any disabilities themselves and our children are the beneficiaries of this society which allows people to survive which helps people with various sorts of disabilities to adapt and to become members of society so we care to going back to a start and since you feel when youre born. With a 100 percent says that theyre not going to have one way we can also go im sure a solution of personal responsibility and stating that you owe your own good how to not only to yourself but also to society because at the end of the day basis and easily preventable problem you know we cant talk about authoritative societies but not authoritarian can actually control what you put into your mouth its only now control if it ensures very rare you you know like you change a lot of money both to unit the state and also make people understand that this understanding youll need a vacation a program not as system off fines and on the police measures that was my point yes the society is going to be well and what diverse also in terms of house and sounds of your name were not going to change that were not going to have an area of the long healthy young people were going to have a lot of people on either healthy not young. They are our competitors theyre also citizens of best players and workers they contribute to society and they demand somethings decided from the side but they also contribute so this is the reality we are going to leave and were not going to make everybody house but we have as you say makes a side of bye bye as i would say educating that i would very much argue in favor of changing data programs even gardens and schools the younger of the children the better we do not teach them enough well we dont. Yes there at all meaning i am there and if i shining there on the body and the importance also as you say what they put you in their house i think i just think that every child should be taught to cook and every chance will be what what is out its what and what is not and what is jack for what he should years and what you should avoid oh we are now and very we have and were obese so called stay at. Regime which is not real obligatory been in the oven and everybody many people seem to comply with it i wonder how disciplined you are in observing the city hall recombination. I strongly suspect of not being disciplined is rather privileged being able to get severe disability or to be able to comply is rather a privilege than a virtue i can do that i have. To i have some how i have certain resources which do not make my situation materially tragic so i can enjoy having my children with me and they can study alive and we have enough devices so its not something that i did by my or by and except for citizen i can do all that i can imagine people with different jobs bus drivers to share who are. Medical workers cannot able to comply with this restrictions so im sad for all that and i will and ill be able to do this for a few more weeks even is necessary to my own house and for the general wellbeing of society like everybody else i do hope it will be over and like everybody else i will be even more thankful when ill be able to meet my students and their son because the conference is all very well but its not teaching well it is stitching but its about 25 percent of what it should be i do know how to see the day hannah will come back. And i do hope to see the day and ill be able to come to your studio and you know there are some instead. Theyre looking forward to him but before we say goodbye just let me ask you one more question because if you know conversation to say the russians is complete without halting our great condor pushkin who. Once when he himself was under quarantine and the milks were worse down cholera even though he himself trying to out a very productive. Own seclusion unlike what here are i dont think were going to try to any problems. Well thats actually my question of whats your personal recipe a young apathy abby a senior that so many people are complaining about these days and isnt that one of the challenges of self isolation regime that fagot people live regardless of their circumstances theyre struggling on the mental and psychological. Wistar of our conversation with me so that they look quality of intellectual work although its so varied if you dont but the quality of until actual work is going down in the absence of a societal compact a so what we know yes will we do the software and of the product the. Asaf are just consequences of what i do is i think what they want to also is doing i try to cheer my scan you know place i had my Google Calander we sure as my life so i try to go to bat at reasonable i work i even started doing some sort of exercises which i never did so i have seriously does all this kind of thank you know what i do i skip it is actually back to her responsibility it is they say youre have to keep your immune system in a good shape winds here catch the virus once you mean about 19 other areas that you i told you i dont care youre enjoying but i actually do it out again having my family are with me is it great how our children seem to enjoy the extra day dont have to go to school and they have x. Parents with that so they seem rather to like it and if they like something a battle we cant get you. Well you can tell is always a great pleasure talking to these kinds of isolation is doubly so thank you very much for being with us today thank you and then hell told watching so they how being taking care of yourself around helping syria again next weekend. For their. Part. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is often spearing Dramatic Development only closely im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. To. Huge antigovernment demonstrations continue in belo roost after last weeks contested president ial election which saw Alexander Lucas should go secure a 6th term in office. Says this person has been in power for 26 years hes long treated with you steve and doesnt want to let go. Meanwhile the protesters also take to the streets in support of their under fire leader. 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