Joining us on our Team International with a full rundown and announced time. And after a time tim welcome back to a brand new season of going underground still swimming against the current of the mainstream amid the Global Pandemic orbit civil war in the United States and the impending threat of climate extinction im joined now from tucson arizona by one of the most cited intellectuals on earth the father of modern linguistics american dissident you know im trying to get you on thanks so much for coming back on the show so what is the global Green New Deal thats the new book Climate Crisis and the global Green New Deal and why is it to you the most important political player in all of Human History were no. Longer. Serious. Would. This route. Could we most. Emissions within a few decades now and one goal of the Green New Deal is to provide the means to do that the other problem which is arising with great hurry right now is the collapse of the economy as a result of the endemic now it is not this is a very different kind of crisis from the financial crisis this time there is no escape through just Consumer Spending or whoring money into the. Stock market thats not going to do anything we have to create a new economy which offers good jobs. Constructive for. Developing the times of interest structures social environmental structure physical structure that we need the kind of goods that we need to live a decent life and thats the other half of the Green New Deal it is essential for not only for survival but for Health Issues you mention corona virus how does coronavirus alter your analysis given that coronavirus threat as corporate profits interstate lee it does not yet. Fretman most corporate profits many corporations are making money hand over d fist of that high tech for example of that was 1. 00 day in which jiffies us termed 13000000000. 00 or theyre going to hedge funds private equity funds old doing because the treasurer is poor and the money into the economy in a way which largely benefits them. If you take a look at the economy take the United States but its world would the stock market is breaking records however hes referring records theyre totally dissociated and thats a sign of the eat disease of the economy which can only be overcome but the development of the policy is outlined in the details of the Green New Deal proposals what do you make of the continuing corporate reframing of the Climate Crisis its up to ordinary people to recycle to buy organic food its up to them rather than the need for systemic change naturally those who benefit from existing institutions do duck under see them changed not which brought us a fair bit to tell a tarion dictatorship and their problems the dictator isnt going to say overthrow me well thats analogous to what youre describing the core of the problem is the. Man save. Production for private profit not for need and the you should the fossil fuels will may have to be phasing the mel and moving towards total Sustainable Energy no new emissions within a few decades weve talked to scientists about how deforestation that to coronavirus tell me about how in the book you talk about even strategies like red its called ari d d its funded by corporations to stop the forestation but in your book here say that it actually facilitates deforestation encourages it. Helps corporate farmers at the expense of others why is it time and time again these strategies sponsored by governments and the world bank in that case seem to achieve the opposite effect i mean they may in the back of their minds decent intentions but there were constrained by the nature of that to tional or to develop programs which will not arm the our foliage the. Most at the core. But will further ensure to their needs the result is policies which whatever their intentions are often negative in the earth we have to address the problems directly without. Giving priority to the needs of the destructive institutions theres no time to overcome a limit 8 we have to accommodate to their existence the timescale of institutional change is out of the range of time skill for dealing with the environment for instance so we have to work within the basic institutional structure that exists but within it we can find a very clear definite ofcs there outline the my colleague poems your visions of the book and so on the till which with a small percentage of the economy suffice to will suffice to deal with these twin programs has helped book actually have further than the road to hell being paved by good intentions because i want to shock people as you call it deliberately malicious a stake was just happening right in front of her. So the last few days was strong corporate backing the truck of ministration has been eliminating. Regulations which protect the population and the environment from release of methane and or snaked other trucks ways to the benefit of the corporate system not only the fossil fuel companies it banks finance them benefits them. Severely harms the environment and harms the American People then clear now if thats not malice what is but there may be somebody in the boardroom who says it would be nice to deal with the environment and it would be nice to bill but when it comes to making specific decisions to maximize profit while market share all those good intentions faded to the back and the book the deal is clannad full employment is he bob calling quote calm ox saying capitalism require as unemployment to diminish the boggling power of what because where is this green deal seems to provide for full employment. Remember that we do not live in a capitalist society of the kind that marx was discussing marx was discussing quite properly an abstract form of capitalism which were innocent of its essential nature so every existence is watermill a form of state capitalism where state action has been undertaken under bucket or pressure to mitigate the Destructive Forces of pure capitalism so yes sure capitalism would require as mark says the reserve on nuclear but state capitalism and overcome the floor moved to guarantee employment and instead of decent employment there for one doesnt do with all problems of capitalism in fact we were moving pretty close to formal full employment. Under obamas so the tepid response to the financial d crisis continue. It was not the kind of full employment that any decent human being would want very large part of it was highly carious joe but very look ive got to ask you does it surprise even you how capitalism has reinforced systems of power among elites even though it may endanger their own children suppose youre the c. E. O. Of. d j. P. Morgan chase biggest bank or exxon mobil you basically have 2 choices one choice is to meet the requirements of the institutional structures that exist and work to maximize profits. No matter what the human consequences thats one choice the other choice is to put those aside and work to create a decent world suppose you make such a choice in your be at least thrown out by the board of directors and somebody else is good in who makes the 1st choice these are institutional. Not individual no thats not to say that it would be change within existing institutions it can so take j. P. Morgan chase again biggest bank you know recently internal memo of the bank was leaked and made public its very interesting it werent the directors of the bank that this in their words the survival of humanity is at stake if we continue on our present course of funding trouble feels that it added that the bank is facing reputational risks meaning the public is getting and rage and will take its revenge on you and harm you the leaders of the bank unless you make moves towards that were going to Save Humanity from destruction otherwise the banks will be taken over the public and national ads which then be done replaced by public things thats all within reach and the leaders of the economy know that their old is quite fragile while everything seems nationalized here in britain more so than after the 2008 crash because of a pandemic and hundreds of people are being arrested on the streets of london as part of the Extinction Rebellion protest that j. P. Morgan claims in public. Rather than any mema fossil fuel loads for the Arctic Drilling have stopped their phasing out known for coal mining and theyre planning a 200000000000. 00 empowerment something called the Empowerment Economic Development deal on pa with Goldman Sachs you mention exxon mobil well the bottom shelf says yes Climate Change is real yes renewables are an indispensable part of the future energy mix but no provoking provoking a sudden death of fossil fuel is not a plausible plan and then what you do is explain to the general public that this holds that theyre serving their own interests and you must hold their feet to the fire to dry up those pretenses and to do it they know is in fact feasible and correct to move away from certainly from coal and from all d fossil fuels as rapidly as we are involved in a class war i want the ruling class doesnt say im just going to do it i want i dont care about you it cant they dont have that power the rule is fragile they know it therefore they must accommodate to an energized active engaged up you know exactly as is often done in the us the Green New Deal uses the phrase new deal because the new deal in the 1930 s. Did something very similar. Not on a sufficient scale but same kind of Government Action to overcome a crisis deep crisis coal caused by the fundamental flaws of willis shuddhi and then came the war wish that slid more expense way beyond anything required. Ended the depression created. A finished. Background of consumer demand which led to several decades of fairly rapid surely go there it grew and now im trying to scale stopping the more from one of the worlds greatest public intellectuals after this break. Throughout its history john just with the selfproclaimed Islamic State terrorist group have recruited up to 30000 foreigners from all over the world to fight for the. Sounds of russian citizens left their country to join the terrorists often bringing wives and children with them. Thats when you could no. More knew the. Hundreds of children and widows were held captive all disappeared. Back in russia those children families wait and search for. Joining me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to us from the world of politics or business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back im still here with american does it into an author of the seminal manufacturing consent no im sure imagine the new deal clearly your primary process for the democrats did not elect Bernie Sanders who favored the new deal style politics here in britain of course Jeremy Corbyn lost the election what do you make of november you say in the book the democrats are in the pockets of wall street lobbyists the republicans you compared to right wing fringe parties of europe. No thats. We have it right now the republicans are would say off the spectrum they are in International Comparisons they are compared with 3 parties in europe with neo fascist backgrounds and on issues like climate the worst in the world they want to trumpet ministration wants to race towards maximizing the use of fossil fuels eliminating the regulatory system which reduces somewhat their destructive effect on the climate on the population perfectly open about this not pretending anything otherwise take a look at the Republican Convention not a word about it just trying to rouse peoples emotions fears a fear wakes primacy. Of. Taking away their guns and any emotional appeal you can imagine told very familiar from or a product of regimes with a new fresh. In the inside the Democratic Party theres a conflict there striving. You can see it if you look closely at whats happened to climate you know back about 2 weeks take a look at the internet 2 weeks ago look for Democratic Party climate for the pre Progressive Program was bidens program forced on biden he didnt choose it forced on biden by the progress or praise. Program better than any that it yet exist tailored at the same internet now. To dylan right trey and clipped democratic Climate Program what you find is nothing they removed the d n the Democratic National committee the d. N. C. Basically clintonite donor oriented democrats managed in a big power play to remove bidens progressive Climate Program thats a battle inside the Democratic Party is very rather similar to what we just saw and britain. Where d the lehrer right right wing labor party or the mentor labor Party Managed undermine the korban campaign in a really vicious matter they were very powerful 800 page deterrent study of how they did it which is being most recent pressed in the British Press budgetary and or which showed 2 means that they went to to try to undermine corbins effort to develop the labor party that would be responsive to the needs of its constituents before just story labor party with policies that actually had very high approval among the government the right way for the labor party for the mentor they were already couldnt stand that theyd rather lose the election than lose control of the party were saying something similar to that in the conflict within the Democratic Party today and what d it means is the progressive base were harder more energetically more commitment case by who wins the election to ensure that they go back to the impressive programs that they had announced and not be forced to abandon them by the donor oriented clintonite conservative element of the party and basically what used to be called moderate republicans but all of that has vastly overshadowed by the desperate need to get rid of the malignancy in the way. Which whatever criticism you make of the Democratic Party the white house will lead nancy is incomparably worse and will if that free. They say its true. Well we invite suggest aamer on to refute what you said about labor however hes seeking an investigation into our right to broadcast at all thats for joe biden apparently the policy hasnt changed 2 trillion dollars to boost clean energy and upgrade to 4000000. 00 buildings a seeking of a shift towards Public Transportation but of course as you know in the most recent speech joe biden said no ban on fracking there are so many different aspects obviously to the Green New Deal but given that weve had the deaths of refugees being reported here in the English Channel and in this book you say rich countries are in turmoil because a small fraction of refugees might defile their precious ethnic purity and you also quote the u. N. Figure of 65000000 refugees fleeing violence by the kitchen and Global Warming why do you think they are presented in our media as a migrant and that the real enemy here is Human Trafficking not foreign policy. For the reasons that you just quoted. But here its. Well. It sure will racial purity weve seen though it sure Human History is disgraceful its shocking to be over. Your reaction so they were if its a crisis is this. Where europe is moving the city you know senators or structures in africa like you sure to try to beat her. Plea from the wreckage those european imperialism to make sure that they dont get to europe sure robi keeps them away from us. No the theres a reason why people are fleeing not because they love europe its because of intolerable conditions largely created by the european terror violence over centuries and now its europes responsibility to behave humanely towards. A not to resort to racist pretenses in order to unhitch them for all for europe crimes same is true here when president troll. Compels mexico to keep Central American refugees from reaching the territory of the United States to pull for asylum which they certainly deserve why are they fleeing Central America not because they dont like their own weaker us terrorist while its destroyed their country theyre quite a few books people can read of us about that and thats terrible and violent i just. That you would agree presumably with donald trump however that our greatest immediate threat was a new planet holocaust caused by Nuclear Weapons agree with trump is racing towards maximize exist threat of Nuclear Weapons thats why the era of the clock has been moved over the famous Doomsday Clock has been moved the minute then has been moved closer to midnight every year the trunk has been in office this last january there bended minutes moved to seconds. 100 seconds to midnight since january has continued as an act on the arms control regime which is has been the somewhat limited enormous ringback threat of Nuclear Destruction it already eliminated the i. N. F. Treaty one couple months ago more illuminating the open skies treaty which traces but there was no he is no he laid on shrivel is grounds delayed implement the renewal of the new start treaty and now it may be too late to renew it and its the last of the major treaty is soon won beyond that or threatening to Start Nuclear testing as been none for 28 years all of this is on top of that moving towards creating. New weapon new and or more threatening weapons of destruction against which there is no possible. Democrats dont have a pretty record on this issue but nothing wrong while we invite we invite the u. S. Ambassador on trump says actually hes all for peace obviously finally ive got to ask you about Julian Assange of wiki leaks he begins the trial of his life in 48 hours time in a london court the u. N. Repartee has been on this show says hes been effectively tortured by british authorities what do you think it will mean if the wiki leaks founder is extradited to the United States on espionage charges. It would be a criminal act on the part of the british and german to exceed d to the us the event for extradition. Would be issued theyve already committed many crimes. A songes offense is not saying bail. Now if he had good reasons not to as he wouldve been extradited if he had not paying bill requires a pat on the wrist not torture in a high security prison. Up to the what reason not even a leader is allowed to receive books im in mass murderers or being treated like in a way beyond the worst vicious criminal ok and if hes extradited it comes up for trial on the us as spinozas laws which even chariots tensional did. Its trial is being. Committed the crime of letting the general population know things that they have a right to know and that powerful states dont want of the know thats the crime. And the way the British Government is acting is deplorable. It or pressure again must be developed to ensure that each other be released quickly from these charges and. Be absolved of all these threats while u. K. Prime minister mark johnson says its only right that joining us on finding faces just as the government says it supports the important work of the un special rapporteur on torture but disagrees with a number of his observations as for the us sector say pompei he says when he makes his office an Intelligence Agency on johns kaye thank you and thats it for the season premier will be back on monday with one of the worlds greatest quantock less of a fan julies pandemics mike davis until then join the underground by subscribing to a huge channel on following us on Twitter Facebook instagram is on. Join me at. 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