T international and if you cant i learned about nick is that. This is going on the ground as donald trump promotes his deal of the century this is part one of a 2 part special looking into what trump so called Abraham Accords signed between the leaders of the United States israel the United Arab Emirates and bahrain mean for the future of the middle east the accords normalize relations between israel and the tube arab autocracies the 3rd and 4th arab countries to open diplomatic relations with israel to egypt and jordan the agreement to see by u. S. President trump as the dawn of the new middle east and the beginning of a new era of peace but others see it as the building of a stronger front against iran and a potential end to any chance of a future for the Palestinian People and winces show ill be speaking to the Palestinian Ambassador to the u. K. A lot and later in this program well be hearing from the editor in chief of the Jerusalem Post but 1st joining me now from tel aviv is the 10th Prime Minister of israel and would barack. Who also served as defense minister 27 to 2013 former president s a think so much for coming on before we talk about anything i suppose we must talk about the lockdown in israel perhaps the 1st 2nd lockdown in the world your Prime Minister netanyahu saying that your country is on the edge of an abyss what do you make of the situation i am a major critic of of the Prime Ministers polices on this issue we have went through the 1st 2 a very effectively but then. We gave our self a pose for half a year and nothing had been done to improve the capacity the double probably the capacity of those. And to deploy them urgency plan of israel which is there for all for 13 years now emergency plan for a wall may joe or a pandemic and instead of implementing these. Emergency plan the Prime Minister chose to move them all did all the constraints and now we are paying the price for. The chances of these down to very low. Economic oh i see the suffering of millions of people it is devastating. Its still not too late to do the right things but they need political will and the capacity to make decisions namely to concentrate on the place where there are ups and these really hot it made me out of a concentration in their own throat to go concentration and manage it in a way that will minimize the damage to economy and. Old people while in power they have ceased and this is not done so i am very critical and i think that its a major failure of that and the oh well he won you lost in the end actions and netanyahu supporters would say not only has he secured massive u. S. Subsidy to israel a 142000000000. 00 to be true to 2019 but we more coronavirus later on he secured this socalled Abraham Accords with some arab or talk or sees hes secured the moving of the us embassy to jerusalem something you strongly supports sour grapes for you on this look here deception achievement im glad that the emirates and before the day. Went out of the closure to no it did to foam allies relationship with us and i hope that others will follow it positive development. Of course its not that we have peace its not a major breakthrough we know these people for 25 years. And we have a very very tense even relationship with them on many of enough but still its good news to see them away due to meet with us in public after the chief and his way of moving go from buffy and buffet goals for television to children is also welcomed here but nothing can cover these major kolo cell. Defeat by the corner viable from the one hand and the damage to economy which goes now about to well for 17 percent of g. D. P. And our grand gunned children will have to pay for weight in a future that im a joe the bucket full. And not to mention that he loses the last of the people because he cannot give a personality sample a need for really concentrated on the series of. Cold cases about corruption well obviously he denies corruption even though hes been indicted for it and as for this is an Abraham Accords you claim then not some of the greatest developments in the middle east will donald trump seeking election in november says their huge step forward what do you mean there have been relations before between israel and the United Arab Emirates and bahrain the u. A. E. Didnt recognize israel they would raise the word israel from atlases in libraries in dubai i happen to be many still far Foreign Affairs of is where 25 years ago and i met with the bus. In sherman hundreds of pieces of president mubarak at the time we met several times with abdullah been very. Was over there were on the south lawn of the white house reason ateneo heal a ship between israeli business easier relationship between our governments i was there for some 20 years and they still i do not deny its very positive development that they are now ready to sign more formal agreement with south and open embassy than normalization debt good good news for the middle east its a blow to the palestinians but i hope that well find a way to make it. So also. Paid with full the prospect of. Contacts with the palestinians not to otherwise not vote block to. The palestinians i should say the leaders have met with israeli leaders they certainly dont recognize israel diplomatically you mention the palestinians they completely reject the Abraham Accords and the deal of the century coming out of the white house is it worse now than it ever has been since camp david and biffle for the palestinians i hope not you know it showed the world out a way can you go forward from this blind hatred toward israel and lead a throwaway duple standing in front of their own publics and tell them. Hes an old model state we have to have a relationship with them thats very positive and he tells the palestinian or shows them that they were action which is all for negotiation and then. Cawnpore my view not now go for it oh if hes determined to fight there or whatever he takes and we do whatever means but then the same time i strongly believe that 2 state solution is the only solution. And i already stated many times that even if we take 515. 00 or 50 years after camp david when a breakthrough will be achieved you will need magnifying glass to feed the differences between what was on the table to camp david what will be agreed and hamas in gaza completely rejects this deal of the century what do you think theyre going to do next i understand that obviously israel was financing hamas you should know that israeli ambassador moshi irans he knew you when you were deputy i. D. F. Chief what has happened with hamas from israeli financing to hamas now. Leading the struggle some palestinians would say against illegal Israeli Occupation you know we cannot replace the palestinians its somehow to happened that we we were ready to go ahead to do even though we dismantled israeli settlements in gaza i pulled out every israeli settler also and looked forward to cope with a deal with the palestinian. Authority and then the. Themes then they accumulate to meet them look at the cover half of israel wait now. Flow made every every several years where. Clash with them for some time and then. Fall forward some time with small exchanges or clashes its not good but its up there with the palestinians the opportunities there we are ready to concede support for structure as long as it doesnt go in a day where. Will we allow the qataris bait mainly the qataris to help them financially and it. Up to the Palestinian People we never settled with their will we will never accept always something acceptable and we are Strong Enough to fight it but i think that the the a berm accords should tell the palestinians that the time poor billy had come to have a 2nd sort about the old power dime to developing and to our right to come to terms to israel it would be better for them and i cannot deny its better for it well i dont need to remind you the gross Human Rights Violations by israel when you were in leadership positions whether in the army or in the political as a political leader i should just ask you know why did you finance a mouse in the 1st place youre saying youre against terrorism but why was i must mean financed by israel anyway no we are not financing from us we just we allowed the qataris to finance them and we of course because we supply the electricity all we cannot afford it in our neighbors a major humanitarian crises we. We dont have. The gazans say we have the cool weather and we come us with their political leaders and in government they leave 2000000 people which has the day of rights to have no my life. Suffering because of their own leadership and we are ready to put an end to it but its not up to us its up to the. Well israel has financed Hamas Israels ambassador to washington moshe rounds the deputy actually back then in back then was netanyahu himself Brigadier General hugh checks again israels military governor of gaza claim that israel finances hamas what im trying to get to as to the relevance today is is israel financing islam ists terrorism throughout the middle east we saw netanyahu accused of supporting isis diaspora in syria against president assad we even know about israels role with iran in the iran contra scandal why does israel support islam mr violence. I think that you are totally longview you mentioned the shower and then turn the hour with his deputy it was still 2 years ago fell to you to go a generation ago. Are we involved in. Directly in. Contrast. Marginal of vote and we see in iran porthcawl made me iran why were not in. Any terrible israeli probably d. Most determined state in fighting against ill i mean israel obviously was part of the iran contra deal allowing weapons to be exported to iran and as you say these are historical details but how many years ago but how many is it hurted how many years ago did netanyahu meet with a legit isis diasur al qaeda sympathizers in the nato back to war against president assad of syria. I should admit they dont understand the open fictional fi story we are talking we are facing major injuries right now and you are talking about. Pullover bill you described where i gave you that but these events to you the gold totally irrelevant. Now in the middle east full of promise ill still be there more from israels former Prime Minister and defense minister after this break. It was a very nice show from president putin that i could have said no thank you or i could have said thank you and i said ill take it and now its time to introduce my its not special mr donald trump thank you says a dream much was in the. Name whatever you want to name i mean i dont know how when i come that news thats dishonest telecom that a recorder or a network thats totally dishonest c. N. N. Is says you know 100 percent negative. Change fast changes so fast sometimes ill say thats going to be a great story be a pretty good report and others good as you. Will see what happens who knows who knows what well see on this bill will be success. Wall street financial engineers the kleptocrats divert. Money printing into their pockets at a rate that according to the Rand Corporation equals more than 50. 00 trillion dollars so that is your spoken god thats why we have social unrest thats why we have incredible wealth an income gap thats why we have such a distorted economy thats why wages are not keeping up thats why weve got inflation raging thats your smoking gun in the story. Welcome back im still here with the 10th Prime Minister of israel ehud barak president rouhani of iran claims that there are forces supporting islam mystic stream ism here obviously said the United States but he also says israel has been supporting that and many believe the abraham record accords on the preamble to a war on iraq i would not take a president or honey your war was going to make the job for these these metro as a kind of phony liability this whole series of information about. Iran is it totally biased and. Theres no basis for it and the album called could be described as a defensive step against iranian expansion east. Regional intentions but not as they put the. Kind of creep for all 4 of friends of friends of steps against iran iran of course denies it has any regional ambitions did you support Donald Trumps assassination of general kasim sulaimani the iranian general who up until recently had been working with u. S. Troops to defeat isis diane syria its an american operation its up to them only specter white to act upon do judgment. Of their interest in their fighting against. Global terror all and if you ask me whether the world is a little bit safer place after suliman leave now to ease our thought i would tell you yes my answer is affirmative general sulaimani was working with United States troops against isis day as netanyahu is pictured with islam ists who. Thanks to isis j. S. Newness and the b. B. C. Here in britain found out that british support was ending up with islam ists in syria what im getting at is where is the support for islam is coming from in your region you know i dont know you and never met you but i can tell you judging from your question you have. A huge misperception of what willy happens in the middle east and im not sure to what extent it could be of value have been interviewed we continue to to listen to your claims which i found totally disconnected from reality even here all day of the names and they vent you have mentioned probably had happened im not sure of this give believe iran a bluffing about retaliation for the assassination of customs and their money i dont see a value for continue to continue these we owe you know your right to frame the situation or the perception of the viewers of the situation upon your judgment and to ask me just to give a more kind of modification to it i do not accept your framing so i dont think that there is any value to continue doing of it but all i was asking about was how big is the iranian threat to israel now that the United States assassinated one of their top generals i think that my english is not as good as yours but in plain english and very clear i dont believe you did do a way to continue an interview where in your own question you had to right to put an unsettled. Im used to. Totally different interviews then i with all due respect i will ask you to end this interview will i have to ask you i mean im talking about Regional Security and the threats to israel you did want to be Prime Minister of israel up until a few months ago im asking you about how secure israel is given the Abraham Accords given the assassination of cousin silly money given the u. A. E. And bahrain becoming friends with israel you know i repeat it always with all due respect you have your opinion you have dont like where im asking for your idea were in the old photo friend and i know its going to i dont understand no no you dont ask my opinion i must go and ask for my you dont ask for my. You discuss. Form of a minister. To respect my you white to fully uncertain your question im asking for your opinion about when israel situation deeply embedded deeply deeply embedded in your d ego or pinions you have your wife or having your opinions but i am not i do not intend to cope. With this and thank you i really thank you very much for your the opportunity to talk to you but i think these. Days im not sure why. We came to it in. Former israeli Prime Minister ehud barak decided to end the interview there well joining me now for more is the editor in chief of the Jerusalem Post yaakov katz deck of thanks for coming back and we just spoke to former Prime Minister barak before he left is a shadow strike do you think being prepared on iran. The one you wrote about on syria when barak was defense minister well i think that israel is always preparing for. Military action against Irans Nuclear facilities theres no doubt that if you were 20000 you. Would pose a threat of an extensional nature to the fact i told this dont hate your readiness or or desire to want to wait this or lost a match so israel would have to have that capability in place but i dont think were there yet because i suppose the context of why iran might want to retaliate is assassination because im still a mommy Abraham Accords all manner of different geopolitical developments obviously iran denies any military Nuclear Capability do you think and i know youve been really critical of netanyahu hes actually become quite a good Prime Minister in your country hes succeeding in getting us support for the arguably alleged violations of International Law many resolutions he succeeded in getting golan israeli the embassy to jerusalem the j. C. P. O. Way and massive subsidy from the us to tackle covered a virus. Well i think that there are 2 nights and the ups i think that there is the new 10 you know it was the statesman and you know it was diplomat and you know who knows how to work very well with other countries around the world and especially has cultivated particularly close ties and if special relationship an alliance with the current u. S. President donald trump and as a result has been able to achieve for israel a long list as some of them you mentioned Strategic Benefits i would say for israel but then theres another nixon you know the one who are more critical of who is i find to be a bit of a divisive politician i find his rhetoric to be sometimes antidemocratic i find some moves that hes made and the knesset Israels Parliament against the attorney general against our courts against the judicial system and principally and most recently his management of the Coronavirus Crisis in this country has been a complete failure sadly i say that and i wonder at times if its not as a result of the fact that the Prime Minister is very preoccupied with his own trial that is about to restart in january well see him sitting inside a courtroom 3 days a week for hours on end that is something that he definitely doesnt want to be it but this is a situation that needs a full time Prime Minister whos completely focused on the health and welfare of his citizens and i dont think that israel has that. Always in then you know denies the corruption charges it also deny that hes handled coronavirus bullion come come given your editorials they know youve accuse netanyahu of wanting total chaos you sound like an iranian politician in some of your editorial for the jury surely thats a thats a bit of a stretch i dont think im an arabian politician i think that what im doing and arent tauriel what were doing is we are holding what journalism is meant to be journalism is meant to be a watchdog for democracy that the real issue at. And you just have to look at the numbers right and you know they pretty much speak for instance israel today has a high school actually recruit after much from a country that appeared in the 1st week i respect march and april very tough luck i should say one of the highest its not the highest more seriously is or went from a country to do very well the 1st rate for a country and now is locking down the 1st western countries locking down its just for a 2nd time with draconian measures economy again which is already predicted by the o. E. C. D. To be taking a 6 percent drop after years of growth is going to continue more businesses will close down more people get sick where people sadly die this is not Good Management well you have a death rate in israel which is better but capita than the one here in britain i should add and i suppose some might ask you to me war patriotic of course you gave a defense of what journalists as opposed to do that but i think one element to the abraham. Accords is palestinians have nowhere to go now theyve called it a stab in the back from the u. A. E. And bahrain whats your view as to whether saudi arabia was basically behind this deal involving theoretically trump netanyahu with bahrain in the u. A. E. Well i mean he threw a lot out of me right there so the let me just say firstly about the saudis involvement with the u. A. E. It seemed that they might have had a hand in it because it would be difficult to see the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates commitments i make a movie this kind without a crown prince disapproval from saudi arabia and yes let me just say about the palestinians for a moment in my personal opinion israel now should be reaching out to the palestinians because were reaching out from points of strength sadly there intransigent theyre stuck in their old ways theyre theyre missing another they dont miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity as op even our famous diplomat once said many years ago its still pertinent today with regard to the palestinians but i would hope that maybe theyll come around to it and i hope that maybe through the arab world the palestinians will recognize that now is actually the time to come back to the table to negotiate to try to reach a deal with israel what were going to speak about him asked london on wednesday his program we invite the iranian u. A. E. Ambassador to deny the saudi a dictatorial power that you just allege that and what i think im getting at is and i should tell you the palestinians have no interest whatsoever in fairness to israel israel has sought opinion from palestine is clearly not happening. Its not happening but i think that you know the palestinians have to be decision what it is that the exact rights israel has always said the door negotiations so that israel was the one that embraced peace for prosperity clammed donald trump and built a general which calls for a 2 state solution this is a perfect opportunity for the palestinians there get an extension off the table israel if he embraced a 2 state solution lets come lets Start Talking but theyre not there given the amount of un resolutions violated by the treaties you mention there i have to ask you though and i asked my prime former Prime Minister barak about previous israeli financing for hamas hamas presumably seeking other people to get money from as it rules in the gaza strip iran its general because some silly money has asked made by donald trump you dont see any existential crisis that israel now faces because of the Abraham Accords and the actions of all trump. Its essential crisis on the contrary i think with the Abraham Accords and with the targeted killing of that customs of money has done is made the world a safer place or because im still a man it was a terrorist who was responsible for generating the largest terrorist attacks the most terrorism not just against israel but against Great Britain in the country but i learned he did work with it against the United States against countries in europe taking him off the map and removing him makes the world a better place undermines irans capability to entrench and so further in syria and to continue to build up his blog about and just about the abraham courts what they have done when it comes the extensional threat you mention is that is theyve created a larger plot that can take counter the uranium threats against israel and against the stability of the middle east for too long people have said that israel and the palestinians a source of instability in the sources and that conflict is what everyone today not recognizing Abraham Cortes is part of that new news for the world israel is a pillar of stability it or have courts trenches that simply because those arab states which refused until its recognize is right now because they understand that working with israel will keep them safer against the true threats which is the iranians jack of cats thank you thank you very much thats it for the show make sure to join us budget on wednesday when we hear other sides of the story that even the Palestinian Ambassador to the u. 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