All. Our. Own unwelcome jewels apart while all eyes are still on counting and recounting develops in the 2020 us president ial elections have already chappie latest whats been known all along that the United States it is one of the most politically polarized countries on the planet with little agrement on its history that got boring and above all what it means to be an american so they how is this schism going to influence the next 4 years for america regardless of all because its next president will to discuss that im now joined by david brady professor of Political Science and literature ballasts at staffer at the university and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution professor radians great to talk to you thank you very much for taking time to talk to your. Now i know youve been predicting him perhaps personally a wishing for a joe biden win and perhaps its a bit here early still to encore the champagne but have you at least put the bottle into the fridge. Think it looks pretty good for surviving. Is the as many hats to 270 electoral votes and the president really only has one yes whenever they get slapped and that seems a bit unlikely given that hes behind in arizona and nevada and the votes left in no bother to be counted are currently from. Our status in reno which are big democratic areas and then survey has gotten quite close and most of the votes out in pennsylvania are Senate Absentee which are generally done about 7520 in very remote georgia has not down to 16000 votes with many votes in Fulton County and the atlanta area to be counted so it looks pretty good for the democrats and their republican cement bit upset the Trump Campaign is calling for some recounts and i know Many Democrats are quite offended by. These calls goodson they insist that count at black things and hope that all the disagreements they within billygoat feel isnt that a safer way to proceed the rather than i mean the e. U. No there are some worrisome predictions going into this elections with you know the stores boarding up their windows and you know weapon sales going through there oh so it isnt that its you go the recount way rather than anything else yeah the well theres so yes the election was amazingly. Productions of violence and we did not happen. Theres 2 kinds of recounts that your listeners should know the 1st kind of rate effort recount when its mandated by law so if in wisconsin burrs mbo the election by and wins by less than one percent then theres an automatic recount in the state based or if. There is no triggering for an automatic recount you get in or trust the recount but if you request a recount and you lose then you pay for the recount which is millions of dollars now they have enough money to do that but in general in the last i think the study on familiar of the last 10 or 12 recounts. The total low change was average 380. 00 so vote recounts never really changed. Yet but on the other hand this is also a pretty unusual election. Especially considering they got a number of mail in ballots i mean over a 100000000 people voted early isnt that actually i mean putting trump aside isnt that actually a Pretty Healthy prudent thing when you have such a major procedural change just to go back and revisit what have or not has and im not disagreeing with you that certainly its better to recount them than to go out in the streets and protest i was just pointing out theres 2 kinds and generally or you can go back and do them their overwhelming evidence is they dont really change anything. Because theyre out by machines and ballots are their own and so its very hard and electoral process they have both republicans and democrats there when they feed them in an hour or so you switch which is a good thing meaning when you do recount it doesnt change things very often going to shoot. Now i come from a country of a low level of social trust and its a pretty rich history of electoral manipulation saw forgive me in my skepticism but i wouldnt while want that be may have votes you take on such proportions here in russia but given that the United States considers itself a translator of democratic practices for the rest of the well what do you actually like other countries to follow suit and to use the mail in both inside huge numbers i mean the main concerns that i have about privacy and integrity of the vote now my job to. How anybody else votes i think the mail system idea in the United States where turnout is 5565 percent the idea was if you said. Not mail balance and made it easier on people that you and increase turnout that turns out not to be summers true but it does what you want you do as in california washington and oregon send everybody your mailbox you can go back on it because it makes voting so much easier now we get it there was a study by a colleague of mine at stanford n. D. Hall that looked at 2 elections in the state of washington which is all mail in and because a new sandy technologies you can do this 40000000 ballots mailed them they found maybe 14 that could have been dead people and they couldnt even be sure about those because of the same names etc but only 40 so i think. They probably mail in voting in the United States does not really dramatically affect anything i do think in the long run that as Computer Technology and face recognition thumbprint we will go to more electronic forms of. Work were not there yet because theyre too easy to act well i dont hear i disagree with that but this is what i get from American Media that the mail in vote seems to have favorite joe biden for the time being at least who has already amassed 7070. 00 goalie and thats because democrats by far feared coronavirus and were much more likely to wear face masks etc so if there is a beginning going on and you got a male ballot and you dont want to go outside and be around other people you mail it into the republican strategy why those 2 in fact had their people go to the polls on election day then at the end of the day. To say oh action over 30 then the vote would look is over republican because you can count that vote for hastert and the way mail votes are counted in the United States differs dramatically say florida could start. Processing in crimea on october 14th North Carolina can start processing them earlier pennsylvania because they are even starting process until election day so it was part of the republican strategy to how to lead Election Night as it turns out i too am they did not have a leak so that didnt work and now youre getting a little drift which has been true over the past 4 elections i. E. As the mail ballots come in theyre more democrat because more democrats vote from home well joe biden is clearly leading so far but i think we can also see that trumps base has increased he has a stronger showing that he had that back in 2016 and why the that gets you 2nd athlete minorities hispanics i heard that. The black well it is higher for him than it wasnt just 1016. 00 even the jewish vote is higher how do you explain that well i think it is 1st of all its too early or too early to know because when people are going on are going on day to exit polls that were. Are out on the internet now in either of those polls better after because as you might expect i mean on a girl on a buyers as youre walking out of the voting booth you might not want to stop and ask somebody for questions well hell wait for a couple of hours in line its just to get your you know anything that you find and answering a few questions ive got to exit polls. For example in 2000 when the florida was the clarity on the basis of the exit polls 1st or boyish denver go or and what happened was they there are 2 way too many women stop to talk and too many men want by so dont give incomplete if you just take whoever it is you have to have a sample and if you take too many of women are joining and so in terms of the air. Exit polls are coronavirus we have no previous record on there and so those exit polls are under question. Under there under question like the polls work well in every case and i think we will have to wait and see but i am very interested in the issue of race here because going into this election the democrats i guess that main charge against donald trump was that either he is racist or hes lying abetting racist even though the democrats themselves acting and our electoral politics will make any secret of. Claiming 2nd athlete groups or certain racial groups as their own in fact that racial or ethnic sensibilities have been instrumental ised and exploited and american politics for quite some time by both parties what does racism even mean in what in day amharic especially when it comes to politics well clear i mean you said well 1st of all you said trump is basically quite a bit better i mean there are more votes turned out but theres going to going to be crowded embers are you going to be 16 to 20 tony jump one and ronnie 60 who looks very much like hes not going to win so so whatever the turnout was he may have got more turnout but he is losing this time so 2820 is a replay of 2016 is unfolding this im still best seen effect better 1000000 people voted for him so that Conference Im going through but it latches are about winning or losing and so he not its name from iran and women thats a great thing but if i want to lose and you want to call that a victory right but from a politicians 1st you run and you lose i do trust people are are happier now than they were 26 feet im not did i know his vote is there but if he lost this time thats different and the same thing is in regard to race i dont think we know yet but last. Overwhelmingly voted for democrats it may have been 2 or 3 points higher among black males for strong and it had been young and 2016 but we dont know for sure because theres lots of we havent counted all of boccia and the 2nd thing in regard to the hispanic vote it does learn why they like to you know hispanic vote are issues it does look like is more pro trump good jewish vote may may have i dont know where youre getting those numbers thats an exit poll and the number of Jewish Voters is as true 4 percent the United States its hard to pull down polls yours are so accurately unless youre overseas i think there are some indications and i guess we have ill have to kind friend then later that. Some non wides dont consider donald trump a racist in fact you know i once used to be a student in the United States i sat in in kansas which overwhelmingly voted for trump i think with a 15 percent margin and you know i talked to a lot of my friends there are a lot of dissent hardworking people who had to hide that political preferences specifically because of that fears of being outed as racist as in a folks and i know for a fact that they are not you know because im a foreigner myself and i had the interactions but do you think thats going to change in the next 4 years do your job we are taught to use a state for years now your job the republicans republicans or jesus are our fruit not democrats where theres about 30 democrats and i dont doubt our belief well i think there are many many studies supporting my claim that many people who voted for some or other reason for dont trump celt. Secretive about that in fact i mean there is a great effort on the part of polling agencies to gad those socalled shy voters out specifically because they are stigmatized. The problem for a lot of we asked you know theres stated cases it goes both ways that you go we asked the following procedure we said we are your neighbors be surprised you are going to vote. And we did find some 1011 percent of truck owners said their neighbors would be surprised when we found. One boaters their neighbors would be surprised and guess what it was related to you lived in earlier and you were abiding motor your neighbor would be surprised if you live in an urban area you are trying your neighbors at least. So ive done it cuts both ways well professor brady we have to take a short break right now but they will be back in just a few moments as they chant. Welcome back to worlds apart david brady professor of Political Science and literature valleys at Stanford University at senior fellow at the Hoover Institution professor brady just before the break ever asking your questions about racism and how its been instrumental lies and politics and then the reason why i focus on that so much is because i think that its become a convenient way for american politicians especially all their globalist leaning to all boys and one conversation about the economy and the purpose of the state because in most countries around the world putting your country 1st is not a controversial proposition thats in fact considered to be the main purpose to all of the government. Do you think National Anti globalist sentiments were given fair in presentation in american politics during the previous election cycles thats its way beyond my pay grade i dont theres no evidence other than anecdotal evidence that you might cite here and there i know of no studies. That went either corroborate that or disprove it if a child leaves the white house come 2021 do you think he strand of politics not in style but in substance representing the concerns all 5 row row or suburban voters do you think that kind of politics thats kind of politics will have to remain i do what do you think will represent it ok now or not its a great question so and i think its probably the most important question to ask about the election race there is a problem with race the United States obviously but it is true those are set of voters in the midwest and other places who have due to trade International Trade and globalization have lost their jobs and they have moved from the Democratic Party because they feel the Democratic Party abandoned many of them voted for obama trice because he said he was going to change things and then when they didnt change they moved to and so thats thats like my hometown my own towns one of those gangs the only town that you know how a lot of Industrial Work and father good job in a factory and support his family and those jobs are gone so that is a problem and i agree with you sorry if i misunderstood your question i agree with you that donald trump donald trump much of downtime support comes from that white males where high school or less education so if he leaves the white house down what happens to the Republican Party which is no change but i think that republicans will try. They will some republicans tom cotton of arkansas be some people try to come up and take translates i think that will be exceedingly difficult because trump is sui generous that way and he struck me very its very hard to duplicate i am so theres going to be that element in american politics floating around there and if the democrats get in and push too hard to politics of the left and neglect those people the ones you were just talking about and dont deal with them then thats a very bad thing you have you dont ask cant talk about those people asked Hillary Clinton did the book the corals or as barack obama now why do they believe in guns and god they cant be treated that way otherwise there are a session of the vote is going to be very upset unhappy and floating around election election so i think what happens to them is absolutely crucial and there will be a fight among republicans 1st place in the melee or democrats to see who can pick them up and. Drop trump but was uniquely able to do that he did 8 years ago described as unique but i want a few that big of a genius because you know as i was preparing for this conversation i came across every cent gallup hall which essentially suggested that while the majority of respondents find joe biden more appealing on that personal level theyre far more in tune with trauma or when it comes to Economic Policy and i have an impression that the democrats all the way through are sort of puzzling why people of voting for trump given his moral transgressions they put so much emphasis on his moral. Character rather than understanding that you know they damn merican electorate is behaving as if all. Place has been behaving that is voting on the economy and thats actually the clintons message its all about the economy stupid hasnt done a. Track that i think i think youre right not analysis when we look at the we ran sophisticated algorithms and evidence on this state we found that it was 3 out of the coronavirus did her trump obviously but over time peoples concerns grew about the economy and the economy and trump was seen as better for the economy and biden was and that it did in fact make the election closer and not the blue wave that was predicted and i think in large part it was it was because of the economy and by the way the same gallup poll found that despite call it 19 and all the losses associated with it the majority of respondents believe that they are now so better off than 4 years ago this is Pretty Amazing given that you know the poll that was taken after the it locked up you know we we hired as i was astounded by we did economist you go call which i have a deal where. We found the same thing it was i found a surge that there was 40150 percent said theyre better off now than they were 4 years ago so same same basic point. I havent had time to go back and look at that it was the case that it was more republicans that said that i havent i havent been able to go back and look but my guess is if i express hard on that. You know it will be those former democrats or trump republicans in midwestern states would be my guess and thats something were going to look at. The since. March in the last 2 days were closer look at this i think youre probably i think youre right on that the economy of the and the economy is an issue came up and drove virus struck down and thats also why the election so much closer now joe biden position himself as the back to normality kind of candidate but when you look at his social and economic problems a program hes quite bold if not to say radical but i think by the americans and its not by the standards of lets say euro but what he proposes is pretty. Pretty well for Many Americans and i mean closing oil and gas industry by 1035 year a College Education for low income kids extending the Affordable Care act do you think he can deliver on all those points if you really back to the same all kind of candidate or is he actually proposing something that america has never seen before. No other good question i cant deliver on that and the reason he cant one of the reasons he is so appealing one had a Democratic Senate and the market was quite worried because the bush policies too far left and and my view is if they push those things too far out of our tree jewish and medicare for all. Then what would have happened is 2022 would have been like 2010 where obama lost 67 seats in the house 2022 would have been worse for the democrats but with a Republican Senate is not going to be able to do those things so i think that. Maybe they can get some stuff going on the understructure middle have to be a deal there will be some sort of a stimulus package but it will be. Lower than what it i dont think the even if the democrats sent out a majority in the senate that they would have come indeed money who thinks that because its going to slam the election we our problems are over that thats simply not true the problems were there before present truth theyre not going away you have problems for the economy in a war room youre going to have huge debt to pay for that and youre going to do 3rd we still have a problem in the United States which raises we have too many young africanamerican and hispanic men in jail for drug possessions etc so those problems have been there for trump and simply electing a democrat is not does not stop them. Now i heard you saying they want to feel lectures that the current level. Of it in the United States has structural reasons and despite all the calls for unity its extremely difficult to bring people together because you know to bring them together they have to at least agree on one thing and its amazing for me to observe from russia now that the united them erica is no longer a agree on their past that america is a land of opportunity is that treats everybody fairly i mean president obama was delivering all those speeches in 2013 about how everybody has an equal shot i think nowadays he wont be able to be to read his own speeches and in fact the only person who can subscribe to that vision of america is trump and he supporters thats what i find extremely ironic but given that there is no agreement on the past on the path forward and a bible on what america stands for how do you think this divide be overcome and can it ever be overcome how do you envision the next or are a. P. R. s going for it so i think thats again you make a very good point so. Yeah i say so one point did have that at some yesterday. Some agreement on just read that ok we have problems with africanamericans but weve made progress and broader areas this idea of continual progress which is in contrast to france right which has street different interpretations of the french revolution and thats a fact and that about whether the french political system i i think there is some reason to believe that the United States is now you know position where we have 2 or 3 different understandings one as elite universities and then theres the interpretation conservatives who believe they hold you know that things are going i think probably the real truth is somewhere in between but over the next 48 years. The way the American Economy has always brought people in right. Is that they bring them and they make money so if you look at people who came from our land our italy theyve been absorbed theyve been theyve been absorbed into the culture there are cultures are part of it now you can get all sorts of the value or so on chinese but the question is it has to be economically successful and in the globalized were allow the United States still has a very successful economy. Is that economy going to be successful over the next 20 years in the same way that it has thats a crucial question and its going to have to be done at the economy go in youre going to have a hard time because youve got Global Warming and youve got globalization now where 85 percent of the world is in competition and those questions are i think you rightly point out up for grabs i dont think anybody has an answer if the economy doesnt do well then and then you know that you dont allow the halacha got. The next president has a few challenges that come for him so im not sure that thats such and i am default position after all at this point of time in American History anyway professor brady its been great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time and for your candor thank you good questions and thank you. Watching asshole to see you again next week on the walls of our. Welcome to max keiser financial survival guide. Looking forward to your pension account. Yonks this is what happens to pensions in britain dont let this you watch kaiser report. Projections put joe biden in the white house says the 46th u. S. President has the key state of pennsylvania declares more of its vote counts the presumptive president elect has addressed his supporters declaring victory. People of this nation have spoken. 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