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Hello and welcome to cross top, where all things are considered on people about the results of the u. S. Election cycle. Have surprised many. There was no blue wave and the g. O. P. Witnessed gains all across the board. Both parties have deep internal divisions and the court is in both parties. Populists challenges is this the perfect recipe for a political realignment to discuss this and more, im joined by my guest, kevin chatters in washington, and he is an attorney and democratic strategist, and minneapolis. We have and tom lazaro, he is founder of big 10 republicans. And in austin we cross the west. Benedict is a former executive director of the Libertarian Party, originally, rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. And i was appreciate it. He was going to kevin kevin, in light of the election results, which you say that the, the, me, the postulate politics is, destiny is in the dustbin of history. Go ahead. Well see what happens over. So i dont have an official weather. Of course, if you believe the president , but i dont like to remind us even though we know who you are, where we have a lot of work to do. Out of this use of our service is out of 5, we are were present shoppers. Got the folks out, but unfortunately for him and his supporters, he created almost a Stronger Movement of people who strongly hate the resistance so to speak. And they came out. Theres probably a lot of work to do. So make sure you put it for free, but were not there yet. And ton, i think that it would be very welcomed by tens of millions of people if the political left and particularly the Democratic Party can stop voter shaming conservatives and republicans. I think that point, i think, you know, you can look at the results of the election, but you know, calling them deplorable zone races. Zina fields, i think that is in the dustbin of history too. What do you think and absolutely not, its incredible is all part of it is for the pollsters in the mainstream. Im not going to comment that this election was far closer than they ever predicted. I mean, donald trump received more votes than any incumbent president ever. And you know, this was an extremely tight apparent joe Biden Victory for about the same mark. I dont trump won by the 3 states, he won wisconsin and pennsylvania in 2016. So the idea that you know how 5 americans are, you know, hes racist horrible people is just fundamentally absurd. And thats just the message from the left. Costly that anyone who supports it all, trump is a terrible, deplorable individual. Him in less it when i look at the results here it, it seems to me that there is a realignment going on pretty well, particularly in the g. O. P. , where you have kind of a mixture of social conservatism and economic populism. I think thats a fair assessment. Go ahead with us. Well, so some of thats happening, but what i see is youve got the standard republicans and democrats hating each other, making it sound like one side is going to totally destroy america. Where as the other is going to save america. But mostly that is all style. When you look at the substance of the issues, when you look at trade policy, tax and spend policy wars in the middle east, the deficit spending and firing mentalism, Social Security, medicare, on most issues. The republicans and democrats have actually been quite moderate. I wish republicans or democrats would be more extreme on some of those issues. And of course im against many of the extreme things if they propose. But no, i dont think republicans have gone through a realignment. Theyve always been, you know, im a libertarian. I want free markets. I want low taxes. I want to cut Social Security and medicare. Republicans never do that stuff. And democrats as well. You know, i want to end the wars Civil Liberties in the war on drugs and democrats never seem to get that done either. Ok, well you know, when i think its really kind of interesting have been is that when you look at like medicare for all in issues like that the, theres many, if you look at the polls among republicans, a lot of people are for, i mean, i find it really, really quite remarkable that even if you look at it instead of just, you know, blue or red, you know, if you just look at people, theres actually a lot of consensus about what people want. But you know, in your party, you know, when you have, you hire all the candidates in the primaries for medicare for all. And then you give it the nomination to the guy and doesnt want it. Ok. And then also, you know, and so on. We had trump, he talked about this in 2016, but once he got into power, well, we cant do that. Ok. I mean, i find it just really remarkable. Its india, its the Party Structures that are the problem. Its not the people, the people are not. The chloral, theyre not deplorable on either side because both sides really want a lot of the same things. Go ahead for all us and she goes, oh, so you know, over have people when asked out to support it. We saw you before. Will care are yes. People for obamacare overwhelmingly say you support the Affordable Care act. They say they do messaging and you know, i agree with her recently were talking about the Georgia Senate race coming your way from the sloganeering, you know, like the police medicare for all. Sometimes its no laughing, erm turn left again. I didnt come from the left sometimes turn or the wall or something. And you know, you have, you know, reasonably, i mean happens on both sides of the slogans and of course people away. They are awesome for me. Most people agree that yes or should be secure, should just write back and forth peacefully. We talk about, you know, building a wall. I have to be a war on earth when you know that turn, so do it. And it just shows how, how by really are by president , by a lot of you know, in terms of what i find really very, very disappointing. I consider myself, a conservative and i dont always think very much of the g. O. P. , but i think it was a real mistake on the left just to make it all out. Donald trump because all 3 of you talk about policy, but they didnt seem to be in the campaign all that much beyond sloganeering. Ok. And, and i think theres going to be a huge hangover, particularly on the left. You know that like what do we do now . Remember the candidates still in the 1970s when we do now . Because you know, it was all focused on one man and that one man did amazingly well. He probably didnt win. He probably wont be inaugurated. Or you cant ignore that mass movement. Now im for a realignment, its in the cards because trump ran as a populist and he governed as jeb bush. Thats my disappointment. Go ahead and yeah, you know, i think just to go back to the previous question, i think that the Republican Party absolutely does need to, you know, the one thing going from going so well on is he was not this, you know, warhop, republican president , people were so sick, and while i think medicare for all isnt popular, people do recognize in america that we need to have coverage for things like preexisting conditions. And you know, to talk about that a lot. So i, for one, i just want to go on the record as i do think the Republican Party, we do need to change when it comes to things like those issues that are more populist then kind of the traditional conservative view that just isnt that popular when you look at the margins of the president lost with lenny alls as well as women suburban women by but you know, going forward, i think look at all comes down to georgia and what happens in the senate races, there if we republicans can hold on to the u. S. , senate, its going to be a lot different conversation that were having in january than if democrats do, were going to get the senate as well as joe biden. You know, is confirmed as president. You know, wes, is a libertarian. I, i have to probably think that youre, youre probably just as sick and tired of this woke politics, rhetoric that just sucks all the air out of the room. When it comes to issues that affect all people, when youre sick, it doesnt remotely, doesnt matter if youre a republican or democrat or a libertarian. Go ahead with us. Well, if youre talking about health care in particular and this applies to other issues when, when Ronald Reagan was running for president , he used to say government is the problem, not the solution. And he would spend quite a bit of time explaining how free markets and freedom wark donald trump is not really reflexive, only libertarian leaning or for small government, or for free markets. And so for the last 4 years, he hasnt spent any time educating and training the people and especially republicans themselves on, you know, what does it mean . How does freedom work with, with free markets, with less regulation, with lower taxes. How would it be easier for people to pay for their own health care and less . You know, if i could interrupt you, excuse me here. The day that donald trump was most unpopular as president is the day he signed his tax bill because most people didnt see that it affected them whatsoever. And its because hes surrounded by libertarian people thinking people in his administration. And i think that was when one of his greatest mistakes, thats my opinion. How do you react to the well, if you lower taxes, but you dont lower spending, then it doesnt accomplish much. Should just shift the burden away from the people who get the tax cut and as to everyone else who suffers from inflation. Donald trump, you raise spending from 4000000000 to 7, looks in one direction. It keeps going up. Were. Its amazing, republican or democrat, its kill, continues to do that and i think thats, you know, i think when we see what we have here, kevin is a middle class revolt. I mean, you have a choice, you can go blue or you can go red. But both, all are angry about this. Ok, i personally, i think government should do things for people. Ok. I dont think it should waste money, but it should be for the public good. All right, and so, i mean, this is the choice we have right now to fund the police and, you know, lets just rhetoric, it doesnt mean anything when i probably hurts people, the poorest people of our society. I mean, it really gets onto an attitude about what kind of how government should be used because its going to be used because theres, there is no doubt that that is they can 80209010 issue, go ahead. Why people overwhelmingly disagree, even in inner city neighborhoods. Oh, black voters and black and withdrew from a feared least they dont, they dont support it. Or they do support it, moving some resources to go, not just for traditional policing and maybe you know, social workers, Mental Health programs and version programs, things like that. Which i think a lot of people do squirm when its explained to them as you or ill present, trying to explain it to dont exactly say so it happened though both sides and i, i do believe that its interesting because you talk about could go up, didnt really hurt, you know, down ballot every citizen column b. On the number of and we were both in their early presence. Actually on the whole downtown here, were going to go to the heart breaking out of the harbor. Continue our discussion on the results of the 2020 elections. During the vietnam war, u. S. Forces also bomb to neighboring laos. It was a secret war. And for years the American People did not know how much anticipation mounts every bomb country per capita. All human history, millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this Small Agricultural country. Jordyn wieber, going to continue tapping. Even today, kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago. It is the us making amends for the tragedy in laos, wont help to the people need in that little land on the banks are involved in a ponzi scheme attached to the Federal Reserve bank. And the Federal Reserve bank is attached to a huge ponzi scheme called the Global Banking financial and the i. M. F. And the world bank and the people at davos. And then that part of the bodies came back by americas military. So americas military is kind of the force behind this global ponzi scheme. So if you defund the military, then the whole house of cards crumbles. Welcome back to cross. All things are considered. Im here a little to remind you. Were talking about the results of the 2020 election. Well lets go back to end on here. I mean, i kind of have a diagram. I mean, for the program here of what the Democratic Party is right now. Its walk corporate america, the super rich and the professional women managerial class. Now if this isnt an opening to create a big tent for the Republican Party, i dont know what is, are you going to take that opening the lane is why wide open . Are you going to grasp it . Is i think it could work. No, absolutely. I mean, if you go back to the eightys and ninetys, when you know conservative talk radio was really thriving and you know, Rush Limbaugh was, you know, building his audience and the extreme fringes of the country. But they were viewed by the middle worse always the right. It was always, you know, the right wing that was viewed in a lot of people became moderate democrats because they were so turned off by that, you know, socalled radical right. Now when you look at a o. C. , an ill han and a far left, there is this enormous opportunity for this populist movement for donald trump and republicans to say, you know, look, worried the mainstream or the moderate. Were the center right party. And we can build on that, and i sure hope that you know we have enough people. Our party can realize that. 6 but, you know, unfortunately im going to be all this because im a, i call balls and strikes and i think there are a lot of people, the Republican Party who dont recognize how. So its very obvious to me that youre right. Someone like Susan Collins manages to win in blue states and then you have other, you know, people like a roy moore who are, you know, terrible candidates. They cant even win a red state. And thats what, you know, the fringes on both sides never realized that these far left far right candidates are never going to actually, you know, be popular beyond their little base of people. You know whence one of the issues that its always talked about is hardly ever dealt with. I mean them, the amount of money spent on this election cycle. It is just absolutely phenomenal. It is just it blows you and in South Carolina, South Carolina alone, Lindsey Grahams home. He was, its the most Expensive Senate seat ever campaign or here. I mean were, if we took the money out of the equation here, how would it change our politics . Because its, you know, we have a republican and we have a democrat on the program and we have you and everyone knows my beliefs here. But if you took the donor class out of this, we would have a very different politics wittingly. Im not so sure thats the case i. Theres been many examples over the years of candidates spending millions or hundreds of millions of dollars in primaries and even in general elections. And that money only seems to affect the outcome by a couple of percent. I of course, i wish the government was less important, so people were less interested in spending so much money to win an election were regardless of which side theyre on. But i dont think the money, you know, you, you can spend money and get a certain policy pass. It allows you now to do a lot of Construction Projects and you personally profit from that. But a lot of what goes on, i dont think has a lot of impact on the election results. So look, so the money, the total money doesnt really scare me, but it, when you look upstream, i mean, this is all an investment. Ok. I mean, there are so many things like ending foreign wars. I mean, that is a genuinely popular thing. Thing weve had 3 election cycles. You have 3 election cycles in a row, you know, saying end the wars. But if joe biden is elected president is inaugurated as president january, i dont think thats going to change or why . Because of the donor class. I mean, i agree with you, i should have phrased my question, better about camp, you know, getting elected, you know, but essentially, you know, they have a end to both parties. That is, its such a corrosive thing because you can have an 80209010 issue. But once it gets to the very top, its the donor class that makes that decision. Let me throw that to kevin here, because thats an issue that both parties and the Libertarian Party probably thinks about. Go ahead, jim. Yeah, absolutely. And you see right, ross are on it were maybe years rates over 100000000, you know, it pretty handily. And, you know, either early to consultants, one consultants, consultants going to be millionaires were minted in that region. Oh yeah, exactly. You know, you know, the c. E. O. Where somebody trying to restart their mind can try to raise a lot of money to mainly from outsiders and not get close to me. Which folks oversee it in a lot of states. Mentioned order a couple times. Its only going to get worse, you know, next couple months. Sure. Sure. Outsiders coming in, but i think the takeaway is that it doesnt tell me now from Lindsey Graham. I want a certain kind of, they know their states better than these outsiders or even money is i think it turns off you know what youre referring to where you know the sarge talking about. They know it was better to find him earlier and just buy these races. Learn from their consultant. Dont be here on the outside money. Thats for sure and tell them sometimes republicans win. Sometimes democrats win sometimes and independent wins, but the consultants always read it. Well. You know, its, i find it really, really awful. Ok and, and, and its the same thing. The only skin these people have in the game is their pocketbook. And i think thats really, that really corrodes. And john, youre the republican on the party and im not going to let you off the hook here. Im looking at the results here and im looking across the board, except for an end of an educated white man. And i thinking, putting educated women the Republican Party didnt phenomenally well of best since 1960 before the civil rights act. Ok, what is the Republican Party going to learn from that . Because im sorry, republicans can be very thoughtful, but they dont take on board something that is given to him on a silver platter. Here, this is a refund, nominal result. How many seats you pick up in the house of representatives . Probably keep the senate. This is, this is a, maybe not a way, but its certainly a strong ripple in the end in lieu of what was supposed to be a blue wave. Go ahead and, well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, one thing that is kind of scary about, you know, the big tent, the populist message and everything you have to kind of really, i call the rubiks cube where you have to really walk a fine line, make sure youre not giving up one, you know, order for another while president trying to do great with, you know, the more rural parts of america and how those white blue collar voters. He also did extremely well with minority voters and far better than you know, romney and bush or mccain did. And i think thats something that we absolutely have to build on, especially when you look at how more College Educated some urban voters are voting, democrat just by not by you know, the way they used to and 28 team was a terry, i dont know that all i think is that it isnt, is that the cultural wars and one is that because of cultural wars is, or is it, i mean, young people, you know what, you know, what i remember when i was the student, the university of california for a quarter to who didnt leave because i had a quarter system there. I had to pay 120. 00 of quarter. I think that was like 3 compared to today. Is that because of the lot the, the worry about economic advancement. You know, if your best earning years or is it a cultural thing trumps a racist. What accounts for that . I do think its a lot of things, but i do think that there is, you know, when you talk about people who are really into go, whether its Climate Change or just being very, a little bit more modern. And people who view themselves as highly edge of hated generally just did not support the president during their call. Not of it though, its not her. Yeah. And a lot like her saying, no, its not about the mans policies. It was about the style and the sad thing about politics really is if you look at some of the best political ads of all time, they have nothing to do with policy. Theyre all just about, you know, who you think is a nicer guy. I mean, there are a lot of polls that showed mitt romney would have done a better job on the economy than brought obama. But then there was the question of, you know, who would you rather hang out with and broke obama won it by a 20 percentage point. So it really kind of makes it pretty head down sometimes. And people forget that, you know, this isnt your friend, youre voting for, this is someone you want to do a job for you. Ok west. As a libertarian on the panel, what message would you give . The next president of the United States inoculated in january . What would be the single most important takeaway . Are some principles were tired of the same ole thing . I dont expect you to implement libertarian policies with think about bringing the troops home from overseas. There are people on the left and the right who both would like to see the troops come home and in the wars and quit listening to the military contractors and everyone who profits from that and quit listening to the doomsayers and everyone who wants to try and scariest that theres a, theres a terrorist under every pillow or behind every door bring the troops home in the war. If you did that, that would make a lot. Republicans, libertarians and democrats happy and has saved us a lot of money as well. Right. I couldnt, couldnt agree with more, havent i . And i feel bad for the democrats. How are you guys going to exist without term . I mean, i think, can you imagine life beyond term . I mean, you know, west has brought up the really interesting point. Its a very popular issue, bring the troops home these senseless, wasteful wars. But because drunk donald trump arms to pull out troops, you know, they, the pentagon and the democrats, and particularly the media and their hair are suddenly instantly on fire. I mean, it is illogical. It is illogical. Why cant you embrace a popular issue like that . And the wars have been big so much tension with probes by whether white supremacist it livable policy praise, blowing up or an east please address lead for years i d n. So here in this war of the senate, its a bad idea yet thats not good politics where people would agree that we should move wars impress were brought washrooms home. But we all just completely abandon some of the seriously. You know stan, i read your interests. We have no interest there. Weve been there for 19 years and no one has figured out what our interests are. Theyre ok. I mean, ok, i dont mean to be flippant here. Ok, or whatever. But im just saying is that this should be, this is something this has a large consensus, 3 election cycles in a row, and i really wish the political elite, republican and democrat ok can throw Lindsey Graham in there as well. And other warmongers. Ok, well im going to end on this point here. You know, for republicans, democrats, libertarians, i just have one suggestion. Listen to the people and stop bickering so much. I want to thank my guests in washington, minneapolis, and also i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at you see you next. Remember crossed up a new gold rush is underway in ghana. Thousands of ill equipped workers are flocking to the gold fields, hoping to strike it rich. Heres the good. As they are, by those that work, children are torn between gold and education. My family was very poor. I thought i was doing my best to get back to school, which side will have the strongest appeal . 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