A power vacuum across this oil rich state. Many way this, the stabilization at the feet of clinton, whos state departments failed to map out what would happen in libya after gadhafi died. So to discuss more about this grim anniversary and look at the african continent as a whole. Well talk to elijah maga, he is a veteran war correspondent whos been embedded in hotspots all over the world, including on the ground in libya, when it all began to unravel. You can subscribe to his work at e. J. Maggie a dot com 1st, elijah october 20 2023 at marks. 12 years of the anniversary of good off his death. Youre a veteran war correspondent. Youve been through libya and much of the error of speaking world from what youve seen is libby a better off since he died. Did the b, u. S. The nato . Better libya by its Bombing Campaign in 2011 . I was actually, yes. I was in libya before the war during the war and when trinity fan and i think i can save the situation and itd be further than that. So well im going to get duffy is was, and the country is far from better off without get duffy because funding, whos that experience significant, but its a good distributed the, the country 1st was guided by ices and then straight between or the virus issue and fractions leading to a very wide civil war and tried fighting against each other with the weapons in the hands of all the tribes. And now we have 2 central government, one in the west, and tripoli, another one in the east into brook to, to unite the country. It has not been possible, and this is not going to be achieve any soon. So we know, looking at any soon or stability and libya economically, via or dependent economy has suffered tremendously as a result of the, for those get that fee from a being annoyed at export country and producer. And that is, that was the main off. Itd be in the economy now. The Oil Production has been disrupted so many times, the factions all standing it and they smuggling it. And the, the economy in the country is really on the floor. From the Security Point of view. The vacuum left by get that fees that lead to the rise of different dish up off from the to government and the, the, some of the show control different both of the country, the all vitamins and there are no violence in the south trade. We speak about the borders with egypt and which chad are wide open to photos, denisia also and also from the human right. We cannot talk about an improvement because the presence of these mediation isis will get many and it may be an ad for in a particular age of sion who are working in the country. Weve seen a kind of, uh, unusual situation or a 100 or forgetting torture, etc. And the last a, the migration that we see crossing from libya or libya lowering and the people coming from i forgot to cross to made it to me. And all that pays the less under control today. So the main to really intervention in 2011, played at prussia, raleigh, in the 70 lising. They be here and there without saying that the innovation was illegal. Because the United Nations allowed only the protection of civilians, but not to destroy the country, to destroy get duffys army and hes rules and to allow people to getting. So we can say that nato isnt differential and a deal was any better than enough guys done or to now many, many people have described libya now as a failed state. That the rule of law no longer exist. Youve got, you know, Major Military factions, practically, and in a fat balkanized thing. The country who are those military leaders, especially general, half star with his ties to washington. Indeed the lip, yesterday is a freight state or a state with limits or center authority. And we have to offer a d and an old and it is in the central and the yeah, sorry, and the east and we have in there, tripoli, and the following. The 2011 intervention at the desk of kentucky at the time of booking zation is often use to describe the fragmentation of frame. Yeah. So it is no longer one state because its not united. And because its ravished by militia and by different factions, and because the division of the 2 parliament to contribute to send for government is wearing heavy on. Yeah. And there. So we can say that the, the, the, the presence of the nato forces and interventions need to was devastating through the now. Yes, good that fee when he was kidding. And then we have different if it goes back to miners, particularly generated. Cause he for hester, was in the boss an officer in get diabetes army and the he also was one of the other players. And then 1969 could be top that broke duffy to file. However, when a good that fee, it keeps them out for the wing, the war dried in 19. 00 eighties. He went through the United States and this is where it is been very well known of this step is strong ties with the c i a and you return to dpi, 2011. As a c, i a general c i a man, and the libya in january. So in 2014, we have seen the pastor played a significant role in military road. So he, he was responsible for an operation administratively ocean in big guys the at that time, 2014 for the operation of dignity. And that was the beginning of a significant minutes for campaign and his influence in that part of libya. And he became the leader of the Libya National army. So the n n a n a and b is based in to brook. Hes one of the most Popular Military groups in the country. And he is receiving support from various countries including the United States. So he is not on his own, on the military fit in libya, but you use one of the most popular and clear ministry plans. So as we look at the reset, the stabilization in new share and more broadly across the so how could we say this is a knock on effect after the fall of libya and after the death of gadhafi . When we understand whats happening today in africa is indeed related to whats happening and what happened in libya and therefore to conduct the so good tasks understood that the unity among the outcome entries is impossible. Because many countries, particularly the goods for all the rich countries, wherever they tied to the us and uh, where hosting us spaces, military bases, and with complete, to deliver it to the guys to return to the actually guy know by turning towards africa. He wanted to do and he started exactly what the bricks is doing today. And so what did you, what order is trying to impose . It says to kick out to the us, to germany and to give back to the african, the dignity and stop the west in their resources. Thats so good that we had the vague grand vision for africa. Truly his rules. He a position slip. Yeah. I just sent for yeah, enough for getting it say it was a vicious, it was driven by a mix of a is not ideal to g economy and political motivation, although he embraced the non most in african countries as well. And he had many initiative, he started with the kind of African Union and the transforming the organization for the african unit into optic and unit. And then he did that in 2011. Before he was kid. He saw at the union as a step the sea would limits away from the control of the United States and from the european colonialism control it. But. Ringback his vision was not fully embraced by the African Leaders because of the, the possible presence of france and germany in the United States and africa who did not want our project to stand so soon. And he also wanted to the present the african investment, investing billions of dollars in africa, and that he invested in a different sector including agriculture, Small Businesses than the telecommunication reinstates hotels and much more. So he has invested in uh, in the, in bank. You want to degrade the african bank . He wanted to create the go do you know . And i think that was one of the reasons why you was made the kid. And that was an emissions plan. So today off the guys waking up on all that. And they see how the, the african whens, is over when me, but it is misuse is stolen by the west and that. So this is why weve seen in my, the book and that price. So, and yet they kicking out the french and getting rid of the french colonialism and i think other african countries would follow, but that would be much slower and more gradual. All right, coming up next france, a former colonial power across much of africa. Did they try to assassinate gadhafi in the eightys . Well discuss it when we return with elijah and maggie a so tight. The m. O will be right back the the the by the early 1950. Can you . It became one of the centers of resistance to colonialism in africa. The british invaders infringed on the most basic rights of the local population. Great britain pursued the policy of squeezing out the local population from their indigenous lands. The best airable areas were given to white farmers, dooming canyon step 5 or de, and hunger. This caused the sharp protest of the peasants and led to the emerging of the mile mile movement, which started the fight against the invaders. The rebels, bold themselves kenya, land, and freedom army. The spiritual leader of the movement, with the anti colonial activists jo, mo, kenyatta, to freedom fighters, use guerrilla tactics, and attacked the individual units of the british troops. The latter responded with massive air rates and artillery effects. Wind, suppressing the uprise of london relied on the maximum cruelty over 50000. 00 canyons were killed. About 300000 people were thrown into prisons and concentration camps, where george here in no way inferior in girl z to the nazis, was widely practiced. The veracity of the colonial list only led the temporary success. In 1963, the British Empire had to recognize the independence of gain. Yeah. However, the colonial raising left behind a trail of blood and wounds that canyon nation has not recovered from on sale. Now, [000 00 00;00] the, the blog and back to the m. O. I am manila chant, recently a to time former Prime Minister of italy, juliano amato, now 85 years old, told the media that a French Air Force missile accidentally down and a tale and passenger jet in the Mediterranean Sea back in 1980 that missile intended for duffys military jet, which he did not board after being tipped off by battalions. Gadhafi dodged that attempted assassination and many others, and his time to go on ruling libya for another 31 years after that alleged incident. As reported by mister amato, elijah maggie, a veteran war correspond. It is back with us to discuss this complicated history and relationship so elijah, outside of his country as it pertains to the west. They had the sort of on again off again relationship with gadhafi. They sometimes liked him, other times loved him. You know, they painted him as something of a lunatic or, or loose cannon, but they for the most part, tolerated him. What was the final straw with him . What drove the west to leave this campaign to not only allister him, but kill him. I mean, was it the de dollarization talk . The pan ask for can coalition ideas, the Gold Standard . Gold dinar. What was it that turned him into a pariah by the west . You would actually own what you have mentioned really you see good that for you. When he started, he bid a major infrastructure across topic that he bids road bridges mosque. And the, and one of the biggest projects that he did was named as the great man made river. And that was design of an adult with names of concrete pipeline of 4000 kilometers and also to meet this ranges. And that he, he started the project in 1983 and he finish it in 1996. But to his plan for i forgot to introduce the african bank. Like what the chinese did today as the agent in the bank. It to substitute you had the International Money through sound and the was bank introducing this and injecting 100. 00 a 100 of videos of dollars that she had. And he wanted to put such a big capital and bring all the african means really cutting off the west and the United States for bad control to fight for guy. Also, the gods, indeed not is not to be on the estimated because he believes he needed to free africa from the economic defenders on the west. And he charlies the dominance of the us doctor and the you. So this is what today the bricks hes doing in the last meeting they decided to deal with their local county. And this is why that is something that the americans can never allow. So that was one of the main reason why you were skin and he was giving a to be use for different vice preferences. It was printing hospitals and schools and funding scholarship for africa. And so just didnt know for the libyan. So his involvement in promoting the old this revival of africa. Oh, was really accepted by the west. I mean, look today. Yeah. Friends buys you ranging from the jack at the 0. 8 dollars. You know, when in kind of that is sold for 200. 00 a kito. So what i have front is the spring, 220000000. 00 a year to the j in exchange of the reserve of the uranium cost. In fact, 54000000000. 00 on the free market. All that with the arrival. Good. Good that for you. And hes or grand i, yeah. With the have put and to all that and to the us. And you and the west and colonialism and was cut off the sheet or the steps of the african Natural Resources. And this is why they couldnt wow, that is quite a profit. So libya had deep ties to italy and france under gadhafi. Can you explain that for us or . Well, yes, and if you have relations with it in front during good that for you, where on Different Levels say started, go to the nomic, go political and strategic dang mention. So libya in italy had, uh they are, oh is the colonial and the history between 19111943. So the that laid the foundation for the relationship that was the defended a data wrong into an improvement of the relationship, particularly doing good stuff. He took the power in the late sixtys. It did, he became one, the lady thats most important trading office. The distance is racial by see, eh, maybe i use the export or any and the any. The guy in the Energy Company was in a direct, the heavily involved in the theyve been ordered and guys, exploration and production. And the in 2008 infiniti and libya song they started per tree that was known as a friendship tree. And then that the pop in corporations agreement and the way it did it agreed to pay 5000000000. 00 in compensation for its going to in your room. Is this something that france is refusing to do with the julia and other african countries . So as an exchange, libya promised to supply you with or, and to try and stop all the migration and that is crossing to the tiny show and them the front. And so there are a, like, if its in a significant economic interest in libya, the French Company are involved in india and libya also in their own infrastructure and the in providing what the student of yeah, often the goodness of cuz he presented himself as a president 2007, a good doctor financed is getting paid. This is why the presidency was one that they need those in europe who even before the United Nation, a resolution to defend the civilian. So yes, the relationship is owed is sorted during good. That fee, i remember the famous picture sort of your various going you, when there was a Prime Minister kissing the end of get dr. You when he land at the airport, if you reach, you know, so all this, its a history and its very grounded history. But unfortunately they or because 5 to put him looking into the future, what does the future of libya look like . Do the warring factions make peace and re unite the country . What about all the oil fields and should, should there be un interventions here, at least on humanitarian grounds . For this thing, the future in libya is trying to g a. The situation has been very fluid then since the assassination of get duffy um the or the moment of health search, assigning ceasefire and disagreement and for the 2 government to talk to each other and add the presence of bias, fractions each with its own sect of interest in foreign backers make the Peace Process very complicated in dpi, and the International Pressure is on and off and it depends on the interest. So you have the United States, then you have the immune rate, you have the de key, and you have your euro. And because of the Large Oil Reserves in africa, that is the money addiction. It is not a blessing. It may have been a blessing for the, for the libyan. And when the doctor was around, but today is a cost because everybody wants the or the wants to control the, or the width of the glass eh, reducing the production. And so the european and the americans are going to dig and not the guy made the libya because maybe a and the rest of africa are very rich in or didnt guys. So in the peaceful scenario and the reconstruction of the economy, the oil and gas will return under the control, the libya. Is this what the americans and europeans, one in this crisis where they are fighting the russians . They are not taking . Was they austin, taking the russian guys in order that without denouncing it but not like before. And they off struggling because after the guy is cutting the road on an ex protein, the african continent, and they want to be treated on equal basis and send their Natural Resources on the fed market price. So the reason to belies in libya really be sort of yeah, i dont think im today for it falls into the interest of the western community. The, the reconstruction of libya will bring that in lots of money because it, yeah, has, i see. But it just what the west once i doubt that there is any need for a peace today in different countries. Im state with countries because only with the, with the United States is surviving. And today the new, the us up ministration is freezing. All the other conflict in the why, particularly in syria and iraq, doesnt want to put out ok by north east area. Theres a want to put out from the right. Not withstanding the decision of the iraq upon them in, but they want to keep at the start to cool as it is because theyve very busy in fighting russia and trying to upset the chinese at the same time. So this is why its difficult to say that there is a way to space because we havent seen for the last 23 years. Any mother, any european and American Mother or natal mother debris piece anywhere. But to bring on the wall, theres what they have done, and theyve got this done. Ive done in the rock in libya, in syria, and they know going to stop suddenly, but the peace had stopped saying, we want peace to regain to re re gain in libya. We want to re establish peace because this is not their philosophy does not, the doctrine they dont think is a set of weapons. And now they have it. They cross their market. Its sending webpage to or western and eastern europeans because they are send these countries all sending all their weapons to fight frustrating ukraine. And the americans all supplying these countries, new weapons, but not for free because they sending it to these countries. And the, the pre tax offs, demonizing, russia and afraid of russia as invasion if youre, which is completely ridiculous and nonsensical. So to return to your question, i think its very difficult to see any piece in the next 2 years. As long as binding is in power and we dont see what the next president is going to bring with him. Yeah, sadly, it sounds like peace and libya or reconstruction is many, many years away. Uh, elijah maga, thank you so much, elijah is a veteran war correspondent. Make sure you checked out elijahs work at e j. Maggie a dot com. Thank you for being with you. Its great to be here. Thank you for your time. 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