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Says the bullet wound suggest, otherwise dozens of them have thoughts in that heads its not like you know, fighting in the sky to that is today. And people, if there was a confusion is in the class and view and Human Rights Commission condemns legislation. The Crushed Stone on the l g b t. Community in the west of the condition of going to one of the bill to sponsors says, do you have this done for this hypocritical, why should anybody think that they have the right to tell got in. So bring this up in parliament. Theyve done what we should do, i figure out thats on our phones to our independence, and also ramsey and people show minded businesses and take care of their own business. Was the headlines the 3 months ago time . Ill be back with the full news run down in just on to and i was talking to the the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. Im peter lavelle. The United Nation says at least 576000 people in gaza or one step away from them. And meanwhile, jo volume is seen using about a potential cease fire by one showing an ice cream coat. This is a state of play. This is the politics of genocide, the cross talking palestine. Im joined by my guess, lionel in new york. He is a legal and media analyst in to them. We have mohammed mirandi. He is a professor at the university of colorado and in london we crossed the mohammed according to the state as a lawyer and parliamentary candidate or a gentleman, costs lock rolls in effect. That means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciated. Mohammed ran to me, well, let me go to you 1st and hold on. I, i wanna do a special call out right now about erin bush now and um, his extreme act of defiance. Uh, to what he deemed as an active member of the military us military is jet, the us governments pursuit of genocide. But this a story says almost everything we really need. If it was mentioned at all in mainstream media, it didnt give you any idea of what was going on. It was very, very shameful and embarrassing for the profession. Mohammed absolutely in the main stream media has been behaving in the most shameful manner since the genocide and gaza began. But when i woke up to the news that he had a, a cub burned himself alive in front of it is rarely the embassy. And i saw the footage it was for, for a few minutes. I really couldnt think it was very painful. I didnt. I never saw the footage to the very end, but uh, he was very clear what he was after. He was very clear uh, with regards to why he was doing this. He did it like a like he was like, he acted like a soldier and it will have an impact. Because while the media immediately began to question his sanity and his background, those when you him came out and said that he was a very decent person, a very likable person. And the fact. So the facts, people across the United States young people in particular, they are going to be at least most of them, i believe, are going to be moved by this, this act of sacrifice. I would never advise anyone to do this, but now that heat has carried out this act, we should all use this moments to humiliate those who are carrying out this genocide to expose those who are carrying out what the president of brazil s said was similar to the holocaust, yeah. And again the, the media attacked him for that may can, but it would be resilient president side was actually in context, but the media reported was without the context. Thats what we expect here. All right, back to business line or 2 thirds of americans independence, republicans, democrats want a permanency expire there. Jo, jo Bidens Administration ignores that. I thought this was a democracy as well. Well, its just not a democracy because as you know, were not a tyranny by the majority and we dont, its not majority roles. We are technically a constitutional republic. May i just ask one favor just on what you just mentioned regarding bush not if you dont mind, go ahead. I have way they play this way. This is kelly me. And its funny how we select. Certainly heroes. Remember the monkey in 1963. Yep. Courageous bobby says congress dryer cesar chavez. Yep. Uh there was a quaker who sell immolated during vietnam. We love certain people who sacrifice hunger sights and the like. Do you know that after this happened, that various baby media reports refer to genocide in quotes that this man referred you quote, genocide, and one particular National Outlet said at the end of this, if you are a Family Member or having ideations of suicide or basically if youre crazy, like this guy seek help and heres a number to call you. This is, this is the way this story was skewed. And again, not, not loading a suicide, but did they do . They not know that this wasnt some guy who, who misunderstood a Football Game or something that this is going on this. This is part and parcel going back to your question, how could there be a ceasefire . Well, theres only one word firing. I dont understand. I still dont under i, i this, this terminology that we use. Im a lawyer and im trying to always find the, the definition. So im, im at a loss across the board. Im sorry. Well, i mean line or a, you know, in, in, in the context of, of the United States. And i know im, is mirandi lived there for a while. I mean, its not surprising you, youve said week after week the, because of the media coverage, people just arent aware. Okay. Because they think that they were aware they would act very differently. But we have a Political Class and then apply a media that wants to control the message in error in the voice. Mail story is the best example, okay, for the domestic car context here. Lets go back to its got to my home it in in london. One of the reasons what the primary is, why i wanted to do this program was watching joe biden eating an ice cream cone, talking about the potential of a cease fire. And i, i cant imagine being more toned depth. Okay. Um and plus, he was just thinking about the primary in michigan, most likely. But its so casual. And so talis, go ahead mohammed in london. You know, i think its been a long time the case, the low, many people Pay Attention to what youre buying and the same is true, but i didnt was fully in control of his own bodily functions. Then that would be something, but he finds it difficult to climb up or down steps, finds it difficult to keep hold of where he is in his mind. Or many of his in many was interviews and said its very clear that joe biden is not in control of whatever is going on the United States, and theres the forces behind him the proper lock. Well, mohammed mohammed, if i could just an interject here, i mean we have, uh he was a senator. I think he was a senator and the roman empire has been around for so long. He was, is known as the most Ardent Design is in the senate. And now as Vice President and as president , we can look at his physical and mental failings, but make no mistake. He zion is through and through. He says that all the time mohammed so, but if the boss is the best, the, the particular group people power can pro pop as the front. And then it shows that the weakest within the power base of the whole guys ation. Because if you have to pull out somebody whos frankly indistinguishable from his own the, then it means of us the best you could actually achieve. So i think that the phase in the, the phase in that form will come and fix is of some of these doesnt really exist. And, and off to we have, i didnt say come off the center stage. Then i put and believe that the power that has to be on bytes and is not crest is and will be for certainly a little well stage of the pronouncements of what reality is meant to be on the design. This will be a southern old landing with the public and you mention that the company come where i, i dont believe thats the case, i think in terms of the u. J. And the us as well. A vast majority of the public of very much against the will getting on. And unfortunately, the media powers and the political powers are long to go. So own people. And it took a soldier to burn himself so that he could boom through the wall of that, of that bouquets against democracy and the people in order to try and shine a light on the fact of that time of resistance to once hes, frankly, im the covering of, of a genocide and weve, weve been seeing that these protests around the world a cause south africa as a nation to be galvanized to bring the case in the i c j. That would have happened without the will of the people being so clearly articulated worldwide. And that quote, which included a requisite proof foot by israel as a judge. He himself, yeah, well, so again, this is drawn on to the 9 point. So really there is no more cause for this very clear breach of human rights. This is a question the home of the problem. The problem is, is that we, we, i think a, were all on the same page here. But its not stopping here, mohammad until around. I mean line on the bottom brought it up. I mean when, in, in, in, in an article that he read about aaron bush now they had a, a genocide and quotations. Thats the problem, isnt it . Okay. They, they will not recognize whats going on. They refused to do it. And if you do, say it, you, you are, are shut down, your disappeared, etc. Go ahead mohammed and into that. Yes, but you do become rather irrelevant. Gradually, the, the main stream media, the corporate media, the legacy media, when they continue to support genocide when they continue to hide this genocide or to attempt to hide this trend aside from the public and people are seeing whats going on there, undermining themselves in the short term they are of course supporting dentist side. There are assisting genocide that are part of this genocide in your times of Washington Post all the cnn, bbc, all of them are, are guilty in this, in this the people are most crime, but they are undermining themselves. People for, for, for a number of years now, the media has become increasingly a question by ordinary people is become less respected by ordinary people. But now its in freefall. Mm hm. So they can continue going down this road, but theyre just quickening the pace of their own demise. Im optimistic about the teacher, even though the genocide is ongoing, even though last night was particularly horrible. When this rileys slaughtered a large number of people who are waiting for aid, the footage is, is, is, is particularly painful to watch. Despite the fact that every day its been painful. But beyond that, i am optimistic about the future. No one believes the western media. I mean, when i speak about no one, i mean the general public across the globe. Few people have any respect for the western political establish establishment. And the, the people across the world are increasingly seeking alternatives. Breaks the shanghai cooperation organization, other regional organizations. These are all being given a boost. The irony is that we all want a ceasefire immediately for the sake of the people of gaza. But the regime and the regimes that are losing because of the continued genocide are the United States this way, the regime, the brake line, and i have to jump in here. We have to go to a hard break. And after that hard break, well continue our discussion on policy, id say, with our to the the, the the hi, im acceptable and im here to plan with you whatever you do. Do not watch my new show. Seriously. Why watch something thats so different. Whitelisted opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please. I do have the state department to see i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your facts for you, go ahead, change and whatever you do. Dont want my show stay main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time. But again, its not. We dont want to watch it because it might just change the way inside the welcome back across stock, where all the things are considered and peter live elsewhere. Man, you were discussing palestine. The okay, lets go back to lionel lionel, you know, we, we, i started out the program talking about and im the inability of the, the a by the administration to reflect upon Public Opinion here. Or are they going to continue down the same path . Because i think all about this program in our viewers are a bit tired to say the least about its really difficult anywhere work. Were trying really hard. Were trying the media. I dont believe any of it. I think thats a complete smoke screen. Okay. I dont think they by the administration is going to do anything whatsoever to hinder. Israels goals, which is genocide awaits displacement and theyll just say we did our best and that will be good enough for some people. But i think as a, as our other guests have said that is going to alienate and in a very fundamental way. But as we move forward, lionel to, i have mentioned you before peter, that there is a definition of problem that people have in this country. When you say the word genocide, i am saying look, that is a term of art from the genocide convention. This is about targeting and hold of a part of people ive seen, people have in their minds as world war 2. Ive mentioned as cattle cars and the complete elimination of all powers. The news everywhere i. I wish i could somehow change the name. Second of all, its not just buying me the other day though, i saw an interview. You might have seen it as well on online or some platform with, with bernie sanders, bernie sanders, the the, the, the grandfather, the potter familiar us of, of, of the left, just whatever. And he was ask, what do you, what will you do regarding dig genocide and he should have worked for roget hes sar is he had every version of harper paint, destruction everything up and clothing that number is so one that you as well. I know because my, my segment should be called light from the fish bowl because i live in this world of people who sort of know, but also peter, they dont want to be bothered. But you mentioned the word scientist. I could walk to you right with you to times square, which is a half a mile from here. We got off for a 1000. 00 to anybody to define what that means in the context of whats happening now. And they will look at it by virtue of this, this regimentation as it being can amount to, to some type of anti semitic slower. Yeah. That youre, youre the big. So this is, this is my problem. Im, im sorry gentlemen, im, im, im in this master class of every edition. I am from, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the fish full of people who dont understand this. And we also have, if you, theres one more thing you crane to a glowing confuse, people as to where it is on the map, whos who, and the other day 11, peers, morgan, in an interview with john nurse, i am, are, was repeating this world war 2, i mean with it, im in a parallel universe. There are people who, who overly complicate and oper scabbing model. I think this is very intentional regarding mohammed and in london. This has been intentionally done here. I mean, i think all of us should Start Talking about the holocaust and guys that just say it, okay. And if it, if it like people it, well, what then say well, you know what, then you would talk about what that really means. I mean, start educating people, start challenging people, and dont be afraid to say the truth. Okay. Well, how many more than one of the problems is what line . Well, just brought up a whole word. Zine is, i mean, what its supposed to invoke. I mean, look what happened to one of your, of, of former prime ministers. He was hounded out of office or being anti semitic which, which is absurd on the face of it all. But they use that word in a very, very engineered way to silence people. Not to make people think, but to silence them. Go head mom and in london you up to the right spot, so like anything thats engineered it has a certain tourism is so the phrase anti semitism is now about to suffer from mental city where its been so over use and been tabs of shapes of it will it will soon fail in the mines when we speak. And the reason for that is because the i c j, the instructional coach of justice has been accused of being and submitting the un has been accused of being an smith, a being taught and nation nation. Those are most recently come out of a policy which is south africa, has been accused of being as soon as they dont run full heroes in the u. K. Whos down against the genocide having coolant semitic. So if you know which will be like guns indicated. Um, so if you started in the company, will these grace institutions then that will it has a meeting soon enough . I think thats really where a lot of the sensible and clear minded people of the jewish faith have been very vocal about them issues. Yeah. But um, because it actually does cover up for Actual Services which has existed in europe, particularly its been a you opinion problem for over a 1000 years. Its not really one thats a later the feature of the, of the arch naziism and send it to the movies. It is called issues that were born in your yes i was, i know things that were in the, in the are the context. But so that being said, i think those people in the jewish will be the spend, all these rates of who have spent so much time educating us for the whole course days. So these things i shouldnt was least how now actually towards us, we own them. A service of tours is exactly what little cost looks like. And what we see in palestine is exactly what we were told from us going sweetens on programs. I should as list i wouldnt be. Oh, great. Yeah. So i think, you know, we need to just get pasta rhetoric and remind people of their upbringing. Yeah. I think, well, its good to a town. I think, you know, if they, if they put a gas came here and costs and then people start believing it, i guess maybe thats what house that happened here. You know, well how many that they think of everything is anti semitic . Been what is i would say the most anti semitic thing is zine and some yes, i think design is in as anti semitic because they are the ones for how climbing the jewish people, more than anyone else. And thankfully, many young juices its already pointed out, have become very, very vocal during the past few months. And in fact, in New York Times article that was full of lies about rape and the headings and all that. On october, the 7th day was exposed by uh, uh, a palestinian lead website in the United States. And uh, website led by a jewish uh, friend of your show. So uh there are changes taking place across the board, both internationally, but also locally. And when i mean locally, i mean in the west. Uh, i think that as the previous guess, pointed out, these words have been use so much by design this bobby, that theyre losing their meaning. And i agree that people, many people in the United States in that bubble still feel that way. But the fact remains that every day were getting, were seeing more and more image is coming out of gaza, a never ending in genocide and never ending holocausts. And people will gradually see the reality, those who dont want to accept reality, never will that. But overwhelmingly people across the world are seeing reality. And what is really resume is doing is that theyre cementing this hostility of animosity towards their racism towards the, at the center. This is a and as they are, they are destroying themselves by continuing this. They should be the 1st to push for a cease fire, because all, as i said, although palestinians are being women, and children are being massacred on a daily basis, that there is rain, the regime and its western allies. So what is western allies are being dest . Demolish and yeah, because of this genocide across the world, they can never speak about human rights again, make it well over a topic and every month it can never talk about taken seriously. They cannot never talk about the rules based order anymore. Okay . Because i have no idea what that means, could get it, but particularly in what were seeing going on and causing it, you know, line or its closer to home to you. The New York Times again, is in a extremely hot, hot water. This ridiculous story about a systematic rape on october 7th, which has been demolished in israel in the United States and called the great zone there. And now theyre looking at who are the co authors of that monstrosity is. And lo and behold, its a non journalist, and so i wonder workforce really intelligence kind of a embarrassing situation to find yourself in line of embarrassing. If you understand that, by the way, im going to steal the line about metal fatigue. That is an a such an apt uh analogy. If i am or i a quote, mcclellan who says that that little, that, that a little lies are very hard to keep secret. But big lies are easy because of our incredulity. Do you know what it would be like if any of you, a gentleman were to stand up and say, you know this rape story is false . What your denying rape . No, no, im denying this. What, when a you how you sick . So what happens is if its a big story, the incredulity of it is a problem there. Theres also something which is interesting. The more that we see images and pictures, the more we submit your way to them. Peter, remember in our generation, when we 1st heard about me live and its side hurt, people stopped to see if we didnt even see pictures of the neighbors. We didnt even see pictures, youre absolutely right. Yes. We did not understand. We were, but today perhaps by virtue of maybe our secretary medication because of the fact that weve been habituated to this, to this over and over and over or bored. Were just a completely different. Maybe our psyche has been affected by some kind of a social parasite or, or virus, but nobodys reacting to this. And finally gentlemen, what happens is people are told all the time, you dont understand how much is it different or they are, you, you, this isnt a, a symmetric war. They dont have uniforms, they dont have walls. You have to what you might consider to be over a kill is, is perhaps, yeah, but why not, doesnt this really speaker . Let me go to mohammed in, in london here. This does really speak to just the deep seated racism within western the lead. So i mean, its easy to rationalize whats going on here. They are a lesser people. They are brown people that are muslim. I mean it really plays into that. Well, the reason why i bring it up is with the same a leads like to talk about their diversity and all of that. I mean, theyre hypocrites, to the core, go ahead and london. Yeah, i mean theres been a Research Study of the idolized the payments that were coming to our lead pacino position late because the from pro is on his own piece. And it turns out that 40 percent overall shut the cabin that have received funding from pro design is still good. Nice ations though, in terms of whether theres a deep siege of racism, show that res, theres any study in the west will show a degree of institutional racism across the board in any institution. A more problematic than that re, is, is the issue of being funded by a particular, lo be to have a particular outcome. And im sorry i have to jump in here. We have run out of time. Absolutely fascinating discussion with all 3 of you. I want to thank my guess in london, new york, and into then, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our d. C. And next time, remember to cross that bridge, the the on march, the 22nd 1943. Doing the great petri, well take off the shirts and bunch of fatality and 118 fun down the belly mercy. And for the age of cutting the supervisor, ship of the person if i did the new wish in the fitness center. Yes or no, this one, most of the room, 242, you 149 people died including 75 children of age who was practically wiped off the face of the long new blue loves of the orchard and couldnt. Charlie was noisy and well use porter as follows. Oh shoot. Was hot really. I really usually dont you feeling . Yes. So the infamous battalion responsible for the atrocity included over 100. 00 ukranian nationalists from west to new. Right. Because of the picture. 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