Delivered. People in the guns of this press on the bottom line here is a shouldnt be delivered safely to the people people to be protected while the hello the welcome to our to international routine. You live for my new center with moscow. I a michael, quite chat with the updates jump, nice password is 1234 after button combined as were caught red handed discussing military strategy with key of officials on, on, on encrypted platform. The government defends, administer has seemingly, its true, not the white flag. Figuring out if youre going out on an easy password and announcing it to the world just saves everyone time and figuring out what is said, what is behind closed doors. So all this comes out through was reviewed the jim niece preparing miniature operations against russia. And thats the top live message from the Russian ForeignMinistry Spokeswoman after the bomb shell leak of german command. As plotting with ukrainian officials. Laria is that kind of us slammed buddies, intentions and highlighted, but germany was on the wrong side of history. In world war 2, those still will uh, be evelyn uh now what was presented to the World Community shows the long time and plans intentional. The need to country gemini, to conduct the military operations against the russian side to ration. It was literally described step by step how terrorist attacks against civilian infrastructure would be carried out. And the speakers were clearly aware of the fact that they were discussing the bombing, youll receive vending and bridge. And they specifically spoke on this topic, saying that the bridge is of great political importance. That is, these issues should know, tying in the yeah. And we proceed from the fact the gemini is obliged to give explanations, news, and there should be an open conversation between violin, between government officials and their own population, and excuse me, with the entire international community. Because what the whole world has hud, and this odor recording is presented in its original breezes and a numerous number of questions for germany in general. Especially for give me the very german officials who are there on this recording to remind each other of the glorious as a belief cost of their lives come off and what is the scores post of the lift wall section if they talk about previous calling about experience its the 2nd world war and it turns out the experience of those, yeah, is, is still alive today. And this still willing to apply it. But its a different dimensional altogether received board an issue. But while the german ambassador has been summoned to the doorstep, all the Russian Foreign ministry here, you can see alexander lambs duff, entering the building. Se becomes surrounded by joined the list there, and you can see it out in the video. Now this all comes after the phone conversation was intercepted by russia and released by archies editor in chief on friday. Now, here are some details of what, how was released. Ive reviewed in the audio file that was dropped in the past week in the conversation. So you just an air force Defense Staff talking about plans to help the key of a destroy the crime in bridge. And the German DefenseMinistry Later confirmed of the tape was offended at the entire recording is 38 minutes long. Well, here are some of the key except from that and also to i came to the conclusion that there are 2 interesting targets, the bridge in the east and the munition depos above the originally east as hard to reach. Its a rather small target, but the torres can do it. The munition depos can also be hit. We need to ensure that from the very beginning, there is no mention that would make us top of the conflict. Might im exaggerating a bit, but if we tell the minister now that we planned meetings and well drive by call from poland and all so that no one notices thats already participation and we wont do that on monday and do you think it is possible to hope that ukraine will be able to do everything on its own. After all, it is known that there are many people there in civilian clothes who speak with an american accent. On sunday, the German Defense minister finally broke the silence over the beach, branding at the high breed attack of this information by russia, and comes despite german officials confirming the reportings out or in fed up and take. The full part of the incident is clearly more than just the interception and publication of an air force conversation. It is positive and information for the food is waging. There is no doubt at all. It is a hybrid attack of this information. Its about division it on spite on. Now what hard for me tale and john list down, war correspondent on realities whose task but the least audio confirmed the west is operating in ukraine against russia. I think thats the the so they all confirmed i. So what do we think of the . So thats a practically, that on the services on the Spectrum Services in your a boat whole arm is you are, are working now for ukraine against that are strong. Of course, after the saudi. Or we have seen that the counselor charlotte, so say that the, the for the tour of the, the delivery of miss and the side style rules is excluded by germany. Because germany dont want to be more but more of the military level in this conflict. But the, the main thing is, its for my point of view, isnt that this is a conformation about the work of the west, in the military side against that are full of charles is not independent. She is defense by the board. Thats up from washington, cartoons and germany has come a long way and now theyve got faces painted on the weapons of war delivered to children via youtube channel. Apparently with helps to familiarize use with the creeds needs. And what ive tried to get my shall come upon, pick a laptop. Um, why dont by definition, okay, lets leave on the bubbles by me and the beast folk who still kind of come into the show me make it up and settle. That brain is not still convinced to all life shows has that the need for jump, the jump and sold us to control the Weapon System is a red line. Hes not willing to cross. If you cannot deliver a Weapon System that has a very wide reach and then not think about how control over the Weapon System can take place. And if you want to have control and its only possible if german soldiers are involved, thats out of the question for me. Thats not across live to for my Senior Security policy on the list of the pentagon. Mike, a model of joining us now from washington. D c, michael is good to have you join me right now. I know youre a very modeling. Yeah, i know youve been following this development now share with me basically, what was the 1st thing that came to your mind when you heard about this least audio jump on maybe to offer sold, discussing plans to target russian infrastructure as well at the fact that it was uh on an open line. Uh it was, was, was astonishing. Uh, uh, maybe it was meant to be late. I have no idea. But uh, the reality is, the fact that, uh, the Foreign Ministry in russia is, has called the german and basset are in to account for it and its good that its made public because these things can get out of control. And i think that, uh, it does reflect uh, something that was brought up in the commentary here that you have western countries with some special forces and what have you from the west, particularly u. K. Possibly even us and, and france that already are assisting ukraine with, with the use of their Weapon Systems and probably given them guidance on tactics and maneuvers that is a very real slippery slope. And the fact that germany and the l and the chancellor himself went public with this to renounce it. I think its important. Otherwise this can get carried away. And what does this represent . What does this reflect . It really reflects, basically a division between germany and, and even jr and, and france on the, the, the way to go in terms of your defense and, and even going after russia and, and i think germany is probably signal signaling that its its own industry is not prepared any longer to support this war effort and, and as opposed to mark macro, who is talking continuously about a European Defense system and wanting to send in troops, which was roundly denounced by other men numbers of out of nato over the weekend. So that the question is why is this happening and it, and i think what it reflects is the fact that the west feels that they have there on the losing end of this and, and theyre looking for and theyve, but theyve expanded so much resources to, to to assist you cream, but it has failed. So now the question is what . Whats the next step . Now this, this colloquy that went on between among the military, German Military officials. Sounds as more like this. You know, we were there, this is what we would do. I dont the its, its not that they have made a decision, but i think it is good that it was publicized in order to stop it and its in its tracks once and for all. Well that, that, and the pun days you, you mentioned because what you said now is going to draw your attention to because when you say it is popular, then probably meant to be late because upon days you dont have to be next pipes to know that this causing issues a top secret issues like this, on encrypted, you know, prob, form, you know, you can be for separate anywhere. You, were not security, you know, x, but we know these things, you know, on all of us what, how much more, you know, top military offers us look back at. But if thats, if we have to create the scenario or what could be the aim of trying to make that kind of a discussion as well. It was obviously to try and its an nip in the bud, the possibility of, of, of, of, of a momentum gathering to actually send more sophisticated weapons on behalf of a german, a to, to ukraine and, and try to get a groundswell of support going uh, uh, i think that was the reason for the discussion. As for the lake, i think it was meant to stop it. And i think that the chancellor needs to call in those individuals involved in that in that discussion and ask them what their rationale was. And if necessary, fire them because uh they were speaking out a line and if they were in any way can vit, conveying this information to the ukrainians to give them false hope that they were getting even receive the tars which requires millet, the German Military assistance to operate uh then i think they they need to be reassigned. All right, now the big jump on chancello love, shaw says, but he wouldnt supply you trade with fed taras cruise missiles, but as the west throws, everything has into the war against russia. How long will he be able to maintain his stance . What do you think . So i think hes drawn a line. I think he is basically saying that were not going to get involved in this. One of his comments was luck on the chancellor. I have made a decision, the taurus is not going and thats a signal because if you allow these kinds of weapons into the hands of the premiums without supervision without constraints. And its really pretty hard, i think, to put limitations on cruise missiles like that. But then the moscow becomes the target a new white in the war. Theres no doubt about it that that war would. Why, heres the other consideration. I dont know what they are and game is, but this is not that its already been stated. Nato will not get involved with putting troops on the ground, and that would include those who would assist in in Weapon Systems. That, that said, if, if these countries individually enter into bilaterals to become countries of the, the willie and if you will, to, to assist ukraine on a bilateral basis. Then they opened themselves up to, to attack and, uh, article 5 under nato will not apply. So wheres, wheres the slippery slope going . Thats the question and what is there and, and game, and i think that they need, i think its a desperation. I think its a frustration on their part because they realize its over me. Its really over i but theyre refusing to see that it is over. But how, how likely is that washington would try to influence shows this position to i think its uh, getting out of. I dont think its going to happen. I think youre going to see uh, uh, shelves becoming a little more independent from, from the buying administration, particularly given the turmoil the by the administration isnt now even at home. Especially trying to even get any funding up and, and, and, and on other issues that really are pretty, occupying this administration. I dont think uh theres uh much much stomach it to to approve the, the new legislation for, for additional funding and without some very severe conditions and which i think have, have become a bridge too far. And on top of that, next week we may have a government shut down the beginning of the Us Government shut down because the Government Agencies havent been funded. So as i say, this administration has, is preoccupied with some very other serious problems, including whats going on in, in israel. And so its, its, its a tote to, to talk about trying to get more engaged in ukraine. It just, oh, and i think that mr. Brewton has laid a red line that if you, if foreign troops enter into ukraine, theres going to, thats going to be a response of very serious response even to all those countries that have those troops there. Now they, they ignore the 1st red lines that he set out in february of 2022. Hopefully theyve learned their lesson because he did react after those red lines were crossed. And he went in with a special military operation into ukraine because of the expansion potential for expansion of nato, even to up to its border in ukraine. So i think hopefully germany has gotten the message and i think other, the nato countries are getting that message. And certainly what all those countries combined realize is that they dont have the Industrial Infrastructure to carry this thing on without hurting themselves economically. And its going to take them a generation to recover as it is better, right . Do you really spot on that . Now . Lets come back to the all you know, the German Defense minister says that the situation is all parts of ross as information was a given that but it has verified the authenticity of the tapes. How do we interpret the contradiction of the fact that government has said it is authentically . And then that is the issue of uh, the, the, the administer say its, its, its, its that information was this information was as well. I think they were embarrassed by the leakage. Its obviously a a, a c y a on their part because they really didnt have any. They were caught with their pants down basically. And they put, got publicly spiked and i think that that is embarrassing to them. And its coming from officials below the, the chancellor and, and so they have to, they have to try to put a, you know, put some lipstick on that pig and make it look different. But in fact, its still the pig and its, its an embarrassment to the German Military and to the chancellor himself and it. And it could create if, if, if these, if they were serious about this, this could create uh, greater tensions and, and, and it would open up the potential for a, an attack on individual countries. If they were to undertake this, i think by calling attention to it, it nips in the bud the, the idea of evolving into sending in those troops and sending them those more sophisticated weapons of them while one day theyre all there. And that i think the by calling attention to this publicly, it, it tries, it attempts to nip it in the bud before it gets out of control on both ends. Right. Its always interesting to speak with you, mike, up my lives and for my Senior Security policy on the list of the pentagon. Thank you for your insight. Thank you, michael. Great. So all the time it says reported that the was for you is the consequences of the least information and they sold deliveries to ukraine. The discussion of the Top Secret Military information took place and on the on encrypted platform and as already drawn shop creative isnt from a number of top professionals. But western leaders reaction as well as Expert Opinions and analysis, head over to our website, r t dot com, of the antique guns. And now the situation and the enclave is like a powder keg master, chilling warning, delivered by the united nations. I made these ready bombardment and Living Conditions that are become dia, the water and gaza has already generated dangerous spill over in neighboring countries. And im deeply concerned that in this powder keg any spock could lead to a much broader configuration. This would have implications for every country in the middle east. And many beyond that footage on the wide screen of is the latest lags. Israel strikes one on a truck in central gazda via tax, reportedly killed my people and left many of those wounded on the. A you can see us carry out its fuss at drop a few minutes here and aid with landed in the south. For 4th, at least over 50000. 00 meals wed dropped in the area. But however, you will be noted that 1500000 policy means i sheltering that guys as a for which is pointed out by some of its ended up in the sea. And its not enough for all the stopping people. The policy of air dropping humanitarian aid and preventing the delivery of aid through border crossings is in fact part of the base of strategy that is not addressed. The court issue and resorts to theatrical and ineffective solutions. Instead, some of the food bundles were dropped into the sea and did not reach any of the people. This, as well as humanitarian aid brought into gaza via trucks would reach a great proportion of the population and is not subject to damage. What had some units of middle east in north africa, Regional Communications office best selling more ways. And he says thats what gather urgently needs right now is safe passage for aid. Otherwise more children may starved to death. The situation is this, but people in, in the guys trip on this, but on the bottom line here is 8, should be delivered safely to the people people should be protected was getting day thats. Thats the reality on the ground right now in the new place in the states. Now, people are not safe to get the 8 that they need a and this is really having a good thats off. Theyve been back on children on saturdays, and i think thats what our eyes should be focused now is understand and get some way to help those. Uh, this puts the need while any additional aid is really wilco. Um, we do any, any edge offs to distract us from the needs and the, the necessary for full access on the job because thats the only way for uh uh he had to come and ask him that is needed. And, and even then a is, is really a small i might not be a sufficient unfortunately, the for this morning we, we received reports of over 10 children dying because of the migration on managers in one a, im really afraid that this number is only part of the story and there are more in other hospitals, more in other areas in the step of course this uh, this issue is more present in the north where a it didnt make it through as much as the soft um, but however, throughout the goddess trip ages, nothing now, and weve been asking for, for thats 418 to 2. 00 gigs and unconditionally and, and then unlimited minor and a safe not, it wont have it so, and it needs to be respected by both parties of, to, to the or to the conflicts. And until now, unfortunately, during the 4 and a half months weve, weve seen a lot of respect for, for domestic human and its a low, weve seen a civilian, its a step to children and in the places that they run for with used to being attacked. And not being safe. And so theyre not getting the protection that they are entitled to. But you and special representative has held assess and looking into the overall valves in palestine and es real popular pop in and stated that she had received information about the mistreatment of palestinians which included a Sexual Assault among others. I was in the middle of a one day and we were able to meet, we full, uh, recently released the detainees. I did not receive a, but i didnt go to to gather information again. I mean, i, i stressed that i did not go to, but i met with them and i got a very disturbing information from, from them with information about cruel in human and degrading treatment of by the students man and women in detention also under the admin administrative detention including Sexual Violence in the forms of evasive body searches, sweats of rape and prolonged force community. I dont have to go to occupied policy on territory to collect a to gather information because i received un verified information the while responding to questions about Sexual Assaults on the 7th of october, when her mastic ties solve unusual. But un representative was not quite as confident i did not meet weve any survivors of sexual a lot of this, of the 7th of october with thats the oh its after month we tried, we tried, but we received information that the friend full of survivors were receiving very specialized for my treatment and what to, to my goal is to to speak. So we regard to the hostages taken to gaza. We found clear and convincing information that Sexual Violence, including rape, sexualized, georgia. Cro in human and degrading treatment has been committed to gain stuff to use. And we also have reasonable grounds to believe that such a bottoms may still be ongoing against those still held in captivity. We. We did not record or preserve information documentation and every dentist including interviews with this testimony in forensic material. We did, we did not identify those responsible with a view to ensuring that perpetrators of violations are held accountable. According to these ready, Foreign Affairs ministry pot in during hall visit to use well met with a volunteer, how this kinda Emergency Response team. Youll see alon dell non dell had previously claimed that he saw the copy to the babies as well as a, a child cost from the womb of them. But a mother. However, these claims were discredited, not only by these really newspaper hybrids, but also by the white house. The New York Times has also address the topic of Sexual Violence on the 7th of october. But according to the grace of news outlets, the testimony presented in the article could not be called evidence. For instance, upon medics testimony about the 2 raved g. Busy as in keyboards, barry, it was debunk bobbys ready media. And the story about a girl allegedly raped in gallup dish was dismissed by the girls family. Of the times is come on the fire from family members of gallop. Deuce the so called gully in the blank dress. If he chooses exhibit a cattleman and companies attempt to demonstrate the packing of right by a mass on october 7th, not only have duties, sister and brother in law each to night that she was raped. The former has accused the times of manipulating her family into participating by misleading them about the editorial angle, the families, comments of spunk, to major oper over on social media. The times has yet to address the serious breach of general list of integrity that it stuff is accused of committing. Lets the across the live to the greys. The news outlet editor in chief marks blumenthal dining and some washington d. C. Max is good to have you join me and now i know youve been following this development that the un representative noted that they gather the information rather than the evidence and did not keep any forensic material or documentation. Yes, the you an article, the headline on democracy. Busy as clear and convincing information, whats your reaction to this jury as well . It appears. Familiar, patton is easily convinced just as she was easily convinced in 2022, that russia was handing out via agra to its soldiers to sexually assault ukrainian women. A claim she admitted in a call with russian pranksters had no basis. In fact, she simply accepted it. And thats what shes done here on her visits. Spending 8 days in israel and just one day and occupied palestinian territory of trip, she acknowledges and acknowledging her press conference was the result simply of pressure from what she calls is rarely Civil Society institutions. A trip that has no investigative mandate in which she was not collecting any evidence verified by one point. She said shes not even collecting information. So what was she doing there . Thats why im ask. She was there to simply validate. So many of the claim will you feel by is real, that have already been discredited, the bunk and blown out of the water by independent outlets like ours, that the grey zone and by is rarely media itself. And what primula patton proceeded to do in her press conference under enormous pressure and intensive questioning from members of the media of it and was to dissemble and basically acknowledge that there was no clear and convincing evidence of any systematic Sexual Assault on october 7th. And that in fact, she had not even been able been able to meet with a single victim is real, hasnt produced a single victim. And that her entire trip was guided in her own words by his railey institution. So this is not a credible finding. But from