The by the ministration . Many of its close as allies continue to shield israel with diplomatic cover, the International Criminal court and the International Court of justice speak for much of the world. If there is to be justice, it must be applied to all the pro, sucking palestine. Im joined by my guess, lionel in new york. Hes a legal and media analyst in town. We have well, how many mirandi is a professor at the university of trent adams area, but we cross to solve takahashi, he is a former deputy head of office of the Un Human Rights Agency in occupied pablo sign. Alright gentlemen, cross side girls and i think that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciated mohammed, let me go to you 1st here. I mean, this is not the 1st time that we have talked about the i c c. And usually on this program is in the midst of terms, i dont have much liking for the i c c, because if its to put city is how its politicized. And then it does Something Like this and ask for the indictments against the 2 leading is really officials. Of course they had to balance it out with having 3 a mazda officials. For me. Its a very mixed bag. I have mixed feelings about it, but they, they, the very fact the justices people want to start approaching this in a more balanced way. Applying the law to everyone, i suppose is a plus, but because it comes from the i, c, c. I just really dont know what to think about it. What do you think . I i agree, i dont think dice se has much credibility if any credit ability at all and no, do any of the International Institutions that were created since the 2nd world war. Theyre all dominated by the west, more or less, some are worse, some or if it better. But this particular institution is very much under the influence of the United States and its head is under very much under the influence of United States. But it does show something on it just like the 3 European Countries that are recognized power side. It doesnt change anything, but it does show something. And that is the Global Public opinion and western Public Opinion are putting pressure on these institutions on these regimes where they have to be seen as behaving differently. I, im sure that guy says he had no intention whatsoever of doing anything against is where it is. But things have become so bad that if they dont take some slight steps, then they become completely discredited in the eyes of even the most naive of people. You know, so its in a way, its kind of a damned if you do damned if you dont. I mean 7 months and they decide to do Something Like this. Again, trying to create this false equivalency. But nonetheless, it is something that and i didnt really expect. And when we 1st heard about this, we came out of tell a b and not from anywhere else. Not from the hague, thats for sure. And then its happened here. So i know i, im a cynic, i take victories where i can take them. I do take, this is a victory. But it, we dont even know if the icpc is gonna exist very much longer considering the, in the reaction of the americans and its allies go ahead. So as well. Yeah, i mean like you, i think a, you know, of course theres certainly an element of both sides isnt in the fact that the i c. C. Not only indicted or not only is asking for indictments for the 2 is really leaders, but also for the 3 majors of how much. So thats something which i think is not, not nothing tastic but um you know, that having been said, i do think, you know, this is a pretty positive step. Its an important step and it could lead to some, you know, really positive change to the top. Now, you know, we have to see, i mean whats happening now for sure is biden, and the rest of the American Administration is making phone calls, trying to strong arm of europeans and probably my government, the japanese into saying that they will ignore the ice and you kind devices, the indictment maybe that theyre trying to fracture them to do the funds, the i c, c. And like you say, to destroy it. Lets hope it doesnt happen. I mean, you know, i spent most of my career, you know, a 1st lobbying for the creation of the i, c c. And then trying to convince people that you know, despite its faults. And despite the fact that it had only indicted African Leaders for the, for 20 years of its like the average, the end, slobs, africans, and slobs. Ok, well afterwards, yes. For the 1st 20 years. And then 20 years later, of course it was, you know, it was present food and then there were the russians in the dock and it was very interesting. The other day khan was interviewed. I think it was by cnn. And he said that he had been told point blank by a certain, quote unquote, a certain investor leader didnt say who would have been interesting say they would have been interesting to hear him. But he was told point blank that even the icpc is not to. Its not to indict israel, its, its for africans and i think it was um, so it was like, put in, i think that was the quote, the to the told. So you know that very much shows that hypocrisy and double standards. But, you know, here we are, and like you say, i mean the evidence against israel, the evidence of you know, hes real, committing done a site and committing the surrender war crimes and crimes against humanity is so overwhelming that theres just no way that they could of gotten out of doing this and lets you know, lets see what happens. Well, between one of the interesting things, one of the interesting things about this indictment that they are coming out of the i. C. C is that theres more of a highlight on the they have pocket see of western institutions, not really on the merits, because as always, just pointed out, i mean, this is over what its fine that youre trying to convince people that the sun comes out in the day and it sets at night, i mean, they evidence a so overwhelming, but watching them dance around and twist themselves into pretzels. That is the spectacle where, you know, line or, you know, the, i looked at western media a Mainstream Media and it feels like treated as the 51st stage. I mean, there is no difference between israel and the United States. I find this truly bizarre. But if they want to go down the path, then blinking and biting, and sullivan, theyre going to end up in the dock using the same logic here. I guess thats what theyre afraid of right . Line on. Or, i dont know because im trying to try to explain to you gentlemen what its like to live. As i say in the fishbowl, i am living in the parallel universe. Sometimes i have to look to see where there is evidence of change elsewhere to it. Just a while ago people were saying the i c z is great. They dont know what the i see. See was it thought it was a perhaps it was a federal commission. So somebody called the International Call cajun court and they were africans or whatever. And they got poking and, and its great. Didnt make sense. What about nothing, yahoo and yeah. Oh and that loved the way they never even mentioned the names of them. Us and 3 other whatever. They dont even mention it. So all of us are, theres that way them, it doesnt make any sense. Excuse me, be careful what you asked for. You said it was great. Yeah, but, but wait a minute. Now was a runaway court, but we didnt, but it wasnt before. The next thing thats interesting is and youre going to laugh at me gentlemen. So let me apologize in advance. All of a sudden those people who, who idea of, of i guess news is People Magazine or whatever. All ma clooney. George clooney is wife george clooney, the, the high priest of the, of cabal, whatever you want to call the wolf left is his wife. Not only is the, is mr. Convict her mentor, but she Research Just now the left and the right. And weve talked about this better, they dont know what to do. And theyre also saying, why do you think this came about . Why do you think this came about, all of a sudden, what was it that changed everything in my lifetime . Ive never seen anything like that. People are saying, you know, maybe these, the protests which youre deriding is being stupid and ill conceived and manufactured by children. Try and try to regroup for some healthy and days of the sixtys. Maybe that did it. Maybe the world do use the cloud, schwab or maybe this is the great reset, but nobody saw this come here, but this is a really, if this problem, its a reset that the establishment wasnt prepared for. Its for sure. You know, how many do i mean one of, you know, and looking at the, i mean, i get, i agree with kind of saul, you know, i, i, its a move in the right direction from a very flawed institution. But even looking at the long description of what, what, how this process is going to move forward. You, the reader doesnt get the impression that palestine garza, the west bank, is under occupation, israel as the occupying power. It has responsibilities. I dont see that in the text. Maybe i dont know enough about the lot to pick it up. Go ahead mohammed. And its not only does that. Its also the west bank just yesterday, 11 palestinians were murdered in the west bank uh spilt. I think 2 school children, one search and, and one teacher were among those were killed. Theyre split, its of the, of the, of the children being shop on the streets lying down dying. But that doesnt register anywhere. Apparently. Uh, as a is, of course of the scenes of guys that we can only find them online. Were not going to see them in the way mainstream western median western government officials are not going to say anything about it. And theres not going to be any kind of nation from any of the western embassies in tel aviv. But um, but i, but i agree that the, with both of you a guess there has been a sea change it. I, the israel is about the 51st dates. I think its that, that sort of like the district of columbia, but the people swell the how well, how many, if that is the case that it means its is really occupied territory. Keep going. It is, is really occupied territory, but there is a see change. And i do think that not only is it the protests across the world and governments across the global south that are looking in the har. But it is young people across the western world. And in the United States, in particular, and i would stress young jewish america has and we have 2 issues or pins yet. Theyre putting pressure on the political system. And that i think is what is forcing them to make some slight moves in order to decrease the pressure. Yeah, but its interesting, a slight mood can turn into of an avalanche and i think thats what were seeing right now. You know so, so you know, im not a psychologist. I know a lot of people go on tv and pretend to be one. Theyre also military experts in. Theyre also experts on russia, etc, etc. But i get this ceiling vents, you know, uh someone like, um, uh. Com is thinking about his legacy, how he is going to be remembered during these time. So i think a lot of people get meaning to realize that theyre going to be judge. Maybe not. Now, but history will judge them harshly, go ahead as well. I certainly think, i think so that you know, i dont know. I dont know, constantly ecology so i can sort of, you know, speak for him. But im, im pretty sure that you know, a lot of people are looking around and seeing, seeing that they are on the wrong side of history and the way the want to get on the right side of history. Unfortunately, the us present by them doesnt seem to have done that yet. But you know, one of the things about this whole, you know, the whole discourse about, you know, what the eyes see has done and what you, what were talking about about gaza. And of course, because its not just because its also the west bank and west bank also includes east jerusalem. And all this is, you know, this is extremely important as well. But its also important not to lose sight of the fact that israel is in apartheid state. And this is not just about nathan yahoo and you know, just a couple of them. Handful of is really politicians. No, i mean each and every point is really a politician from at least 67. 00 if i saw from solve solve all that thought, i have to go to a hard break. And after that hard break, well continue our discussion on palestine. Stay with the the, the money and do that. You attempted to collect your x amount. I thought she sat there for the show event. It will be a job to lovely cause of it is uh into this is the concept. See who supplement is setup button and thats a printer person wants to do lives. You ask me that if i see the media love to focus on you to reason to just say with the city the new country it will be presented. It was working monday morning to work the don stimulus. The industry is little less money for our sales dealer. Sure, sure. William farmer shots monument. So we have good guy started to decisions in my lab. And what was that man was, what was that ridiculous problems . I put in the best one today and but you know, so thats what it is that you want to set. Im sure those are pretty sure can was im patient. Did it for shes clear moves on best do what i mean. Theres a push out the welcome back across like were all things are considered . Im peter will build true mind you were discussing palestine the okay, lets go back to so i yeah. Before we went to the break here, were talking about how much further culpability there is. If youre going to be indicting the Prime Minister of israel and the for a and the defense minister, these are not accurate. These are actors that have enormous amount of power. And we all know to, and i think this is what it is. So a stomach churning is that this is a genocide that is being actively um, found online. We have is really sold. There is a pricing there. There are crimes on, you know, into the camera. I mean, we all can see it. Okay. I mean, the one, the most glaring one for me was watching that they were blowing up uh university. I mean, the whole building on it. And it was, and it was very well staged, i have to say, and hes standing there grinning. I dont understand of a hebrew, but i mean, he was really happy that he was part of the destruction of something that is one of the basis of Civil Society in palestine. And so, i mean how much for that this go. I mean, if youre going to bring these 2 guys to trial, youre going to have to bring a whole lot more. Go ahead so well, thats exactly my point. I mean its not just a handful of its really politicians that are no problem. Maddox here and thats, you know, the problem with the whole sort of the most extreme right wing government in israel narrative that we see a lot of, you know, weve got to look at also whats been happening within the borders of israel, of 40 the 48 palestinian territory and you know, all of this, the whole sort of narrative about the 2 state solution. The 2 state solution is the only way for the to say solution is the only way the piece will ever come to a solution that the only feasible level of love with her this you know, ad nauseum from all of our so called leaders over and over and over, but the fact of the matter is the 2 state solution, you know, is, comes from this partition resolution that the Un General Assembly adopted in 1947. Now, 1947, there were 55, maybe was 56 Member States in the United Nations was completely dominated by the west and its ours. So thats how we have this, you know, quote of a 2 state solution. The only reason that were even talk about this and this and somehow become the default option is because it goes back to 1947. And basically, the, you know, the western dominated United Nations come into the policy and people and say, well, why dont you give half of your country over to these western colonized . Boy, that sounds like a great idea. And weve got to look at the, you know, sheer injustice and hypocrisy of that to what, to, you know, in the home, in the, in the, the argument. You know, you hear all the time a, im in my entire life. You know, israel has the right to exist. Israel has the right to self defense. Those are the favorite ones. Oh. And the 3rd one is its complicated. Okay. Thats that, thats kind of the, the, the design is propaganda that were all side bed all the time. But i mean, if you look at that, we have a 143 countries in the world, recognized palestine as a state. Okay. And uh, tony blinking says, we dont want to do anything unilaterally. Well, a 143 countries thats not unilateral. Thats kind of like the vast majority of the world. What were getting down to is it and the question should be, you know, it should, does, right . Is real, have the right to exist, but it is a desirable for it to exist as a zine estate mohammed. Well peter, i think over the years weve that weve seen a lot and the things are now very different from the past. The last 78 months has really changed the world. I never thought id see that things are key or the things that im seeing and hearing today, the world is turned against this regime. And theres a lot of awareness about what sign is. Im actually means with at most of the premises im in apartheid is and they cant hide this anymore. And its really changing everything by the way. Even now, western media theyve for the last 3 days since president rest raised the passed away in the helicopter accident. Theyve been saying that the ronnie ends are celebrating and then online and social media. We see millions of people in the different funerals intact, ron and right now and mass side and elsewhere. And no one believes the west anymore. No one believes israel anymore. No one believes the United States anymore, theyve destroyed themselves and theyre, theyre destroyed their credibility, their soft power. And so now people across the world are saying that these really machine does not have moral legitimacy. And that the only real solution is for a single state where all people have equal rights and people when they hear that, they say yes, that makes sense. Make sense . Yes, it makes sense. Theyre all human beings equal human beings. They should all be able to live together and they see as you point out that the is not this, not just the palestinians who are showing footage of daily slaughter and the massacres happening 24 hours a day. They are seeing this rain. These are just as you pointed out, tearing up atrocities and laughing about it and enjoying what theyre doing and none of them being punish. And none of them be why, because thats the regime itself backs this sort of behavior. So them kind of has no clothes, and i think that that is going to have enormous consequences in the years to come in a line or its the uh its, its well known, the iron clad support the, the United States has for israel, but its always funded really mystifying and truly disappointing is that if you could put it into the american contexts, who today defense jim crow, who, who defends that kind of a part, tied like system that the United States had. We mean, how, you know, hollywood goes to the bank every, every single year, you know, you need to, you know, right, so i, where i grew up on road. So i remember watching it as a child. Okay. I mean, why cant that kind of explanation, be honestly displayed to people saying if you support israel and what its doing, the new support, what they did in the south. And jim crow, i have a friend of mine who is a, whos a bigger discount, a movie fantasy. Do remember movie jango. I see. Yeah. Is it what is that about . Is it what does that about . Thats about a slave who basically comes back and you like that, didnt you . A 2 things. Thank god for an unfettered social media. Thank god for twitter. I have, there are some sites i dont wanna mention now. All of depths of absolute and im a former prosecutor, ive seen murder say i have seen it all. And the thing that i, i try to tell my friends are people who the unenlightened said, look, im not trying to explain one way the other. Just look at whats going on. Tell me what this is about. To look at the looks in the face of these people who are going through and picking up bodies, look at the look they, they have almost like theyre just the 1000 yard stare there. They have. Theyve been doing this for too long. The other day there was a quote, comedian, im not going to mention his name, who decided hes going to address the crazy left young people. And ive got to tell you gentlemen what he said, which is to me. Exam exemplifies the fact that people dont know what theyre talking about. He said, you know, people in gaza would find it a lot better and a lot easier to live if they could go to tell a beep, especially if youre gay or theres or whatever that particular phrase was. Itd be great if they could go to tell that be and the, and the whole said, thats the idea. Thats what were talking about. So what occurred to me, were talking about basically a rudimentary absolute basic misunderstanding using trumps and means that ideas 30 years ago, 40 years ago. And this is an idea of these, of this new kind of a. Ok. Were going to look at this again. No. The best way to expose the truth is to let this load se prevail and just listen to one and say, i dont have to correct anything. This is self correcting. Just listen to this. I dont know what theyre talking about. Forget talking about zion is, and well just look at this, ask this question. Do you want this to continue . As somebody helped me here, or they dont use the word genocide to say, okay, how about massacre . Youre like that . Is it okay . Maybe as a god, you prefer that we, we, we are sold from totally as over specific definitions. Missing the entire point that we as a, b, c to say this has got to stop. Well talk about the other stuff later. But this is got to start having, not, you know, why dont we, you know, the people that support the, the slaughter in, in, in gaza and in the assaults on the west bank they, they want us all to lose our humanity, like they have lost their humanity but i refuse to do that. I refuse to close my heart because i feel that i am comfortable if i dont talk with the way im talking right now a soul is israels worst enemy itself. I guess you can say that. Yeah, i mean, definitely i look positive change is never going to come from within is really society. I mean its just not going to happen. It has to be forced upon them. And really its United States and the europeans, but more than anybody do another system, this really has to happen. You know, you mentioned before, this is really starting into the 51st state and i think somebody, so theres actually the, you know, its, its the, its the district of columbia. You know, we used to joke that to washington dc. It was the a tunnel and divided capitol of israel. And just a, just a few days ago, i read the to republican congressman introduced a bill which is if it were passed, it would mean that the us funds would go to american citizens who had served and these really, yeah, military. So they would get like equivalent benefits as American Veterans who had served in the american military. This was just insane. I mean, never in the history of i, you know, me, the, i dont know, but i certainly never heard of anything like this in the history of mankind or taxpayer funds would go to reward people who had served in for an army. Yet this was completing sign it. Yeah. But yet, and its like, oh what, what does it make . It makes it even worse. I agree with you there. Its a form of mercenaries, but what makes it worse is that the tax payers would be finding the same people to commit crimes. Thats what makes it even worse. Keep going. Well, exactly. I like you say, i mean is real is as were sending me in a way, but its, its out of control. I mean, is really, society is completely out of control. And, you know, i saw, of course, i lived, you know, in palestine for 5 years. And i, i interact with the menus really is of course, and i saw how they were socialist into believing that the whole world was against them. And you know, the next whole, the cost of just around the corner and theyve got the, you know, the gotta give before somebody. Yeah. But so let me, let me becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Ill get the last minute to mohammed should be because of what they do. The world is touring against them. Its a self fulfilling prophecy mohammed. Yes they are their own were sending me because they hum us and hezbollah and, and sought on on the others. And you run with them have defeated these rarely really, militarily, but is rarely the real. The feet is the fact that the israelis have destroyed their image in the eyes of the world by committing these atrocities that defeat is far greater than anything else. And people wont forget that, thats what happened during the 2nd world war to the nazis and others. And theres ran, these are the worst anti semites themselves because they are doing all of this in the name of judaism. And thats why that the, the courage of these Young American and European Jews is so important because theyre paving to and theyre, and what theyre saying is that they have their own self determination. And because they have their own, they want to see others have it as well. Gentleman, thats all the time we have one to think, my guess in new york. Sorry about and into that. And of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time. Remember, trust levels, the acceptance. 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