Shouldnt be investing in large commercial banks, we also are facing unprecedented housing crisis, homelessness crisis, despite our very large city budget. So we would like to see a public bank that would really invest in our local communities, especially most marginalized and vulnerable communities that are underserved by our current Banking System and the city would invest in Affordable Housing. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Thank you, and good afternoon all my relations, my name is Tony Gonzalez and im with the American Indian movement. And im the director of a. I. M. West here in San Francisco. I come here to encourage this discussion on behalf of the international, or intertribal community, i believe most of us are in support of this effort and i would like to also commend former Supervisor John Avalos for having the foresight to having initiate this process in 2011. And also, its rather ironic that north dakota has the public bank and this is where we have seen in the last two years, the Standing Rock people, community and no daple organizing that took place there and from there many of us returned to our communities and began to more enthusiastically begin the divestment process. So i believe this public banking process is very much a part of that. So on behalf of the indian community, i wholeheartedly support this effort. Thank you very much. It is in keeping with the values that San Francisco has been emanating and i think it will be a great model for the rest of the cities and the country across. Thank you very much. Thank you, tony. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon. My name is jesse fernandez, im here with support of sf rising, people organizing to demand economic and environmental rights. Im here in support for a public bank that will move us in a direction to achieve Sustainable Community investments. From new development, to acquisition of existing housing stock, time and again our tools and resources are to create and retain Affordable Housing are spread too thin and fall too short of the Affordable Housing goals and commitments we have as a city. A public bank would increase our local control and allow us to support as well our cherished mom and pop businesses, for example, the chicken coop that had to close its doors because they couldnt afford the prohibitive costs of seismic retrofitting or newly designated businesses like besitas bakery which is experiencing unreasonable rent increases. That came to a halt. In the resession it was the same private institutions that were unaccountable and ripped families from their homes. My own family struggled with this. As federal tax reforms are beginning to limit or will limit Affordable Housing, financing in our sanctuary cities targeted for servicing and being committed to our immigrant community, we need a Municipal Bank now to protect and advance our San Francisco values. Thank you. Hi, my name is otto pipinger, i want to remind the board this endorsement represents all 800 of our members, or approaching 800 that we have. Democratic socialists endorses because we believe it ought to be governed democratically as well. I would like to take a moment to address the conflict with San Francisco social issues these banks have addressed and remind you 9. 6 billion in the hands of these banks is a tacit endorsement tantamount to overtly giving millions a year to the private prison industry, the modern face of slavery. To the subject of public banks, however, its essential, the next time the market tanks, the banks that have invested in our businesses provided loans for our homes view our community the same way we do and are willing to hold onto these assets even in the face of liability which a private bank will never do. A bank, as every child understands or believes is a place that keeps your money safe and that ought to be true for san franciscans. Too risky to outright subsidize such as providing lowinterest loans for colleges and businesses that benefit us collectively as well as providing a partner for projects too risky to accept a loan from a predatory lender. The Federal Reserve has a dual mandate to stabilize prices. Bank of america has no mandate other than maximizing profits. The people of San Francisco are entitled to a bank with the same degree of respect that we do. Thank you for your time, i will cede the rest. Thank you, next speerk, please. Speaker, please. Thank you very much and i commend you. As residents of San Francisco, who pay taxes and fines into the citys coffers, we want to know the city officials invest our funds wisely, with a city not only ends highinterest but also where investments contribute to quality of life for all san franciscans. A private bank can do this. Other communities are realizing the best way for Government Funds to work efficiently and responsibly is to deposit them in a public bank. A public bank that will allow us explicit inclusion of a broad range of policy goals and purposes. Purposes such as Public Welfare. Public welfare through equitable Public Investments to overcome the harmful impacts of extractive economies, unlike a commercial bank it stands on the principle that Public Welfare is the priority rather than profit for private shareholders. Public bank will provide credit and Financial Services to local communities underserved by mainstream commercial banks and lenders and by limited Public Investment to undue the historical legacy of wealth disparities and harmful economic environments or social housing and transportation impacts on these communities. Community wealth building. A public bank shall seek to promote generative economy that holds social justice and ecological sustainability. Community socially owned, social owned enterprises, Community Cooperatives [bell] next speaker. Hi, my name is francis collins. Im a member of a. C. E. , i volunteer for the tenants united. I stand for veterans for peace. Ive been a renter since 1970. Im currently on section 8. If my building got sold and a nonprofit would buy out my building, instead of giving money to their shareholders like wells fargo or b. Of a. , they could reinvest in their community. We need a bank that will support marginalized people in San Francisco. People of color, low income families, the homeless, youth, small business, immigrants, public money for public good. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next. Thank you, supervisors my name is julian dahl. An organizer with a. C. E. We have been on the front lines of dealing with the banks since about 2010. We had a number of members, quite a few actually in the bayview and excelsior who were forced to fight tooth and nail during the height of the foreclosure crisis to take back their homes and actually came up with make shift Financing Solutions to be able to buy back those homes. Working with socially responsible investors to buy back homes from speculators and put them back in hands of the community and back in the hands of our members. But obviously these solutions were the best we could do, but theyre inadequate. Since around that time, we worked with supervisor avalos at the time to find out if the creation of a public bank would be possible. It was really exciting to hear the results of the b. L. A. Report that showed that finally it could be possible. To have a bank that could create things like Revolving Loan funds, to buy back homes, to buy back buildings where tenants live. And keep people who were most affected by our housing crisis in their homes is something that would be really exciting to our members. Theres lots of reasons to support public bank. Cannabis banking is just one of them. Theres many, many reasons. I hope we could make this happen. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon, supervisors my name is curtis [inaudible] with [inaudible] public bank sf coalition. I think the main goal for the task force should be to get to a point where you can provide a blueprint to the treasurer and say this is how you create a public bank. Thats the main goal. Anything short of that is a failure. Its not going to be easy but its absolutely doable. I think the task force needs to follow some key principles. Such as factoring externalities and hidden costs. These are some things often never considered with wall street banks. Shortterm losses versus longterm gains and redefining what it means to have an economy, false narrative that you need to put profit over people. Even the narrative you have to put people over profit, i dont think they are mutually exclusive, i think you could have both. I think the question is who gets that profit. Most importantly, i think, for the force is to make sure the public input, that theres a process for public input. This is a public bank. So if you dont have a public input process, it delegitimizes this task force. We need a public bank, we can no longer afford our current relationship with wall street bank, with bank of america, simply put they use our money against us. Its been mentioned sub prime Mortgage Loans displace people. Pipeline, fossil fuel industry literally using our money to fund our own extinction. We are currently in a crisis but the good news is whenever theres a crisis theres a great opportunity. So sf has a great opportunity to send a message to lay the blueprint for the rest of the country on how to actually break up with these big banks. If our federal government cant break up with the big banks, we will have to do it for them. Thank you. Hi. My name is julie. Im a registered nurse. And im with the california nurses association. We are here to support San Francisco public bank. San francisco is a city which prides itself on progressive values such as equality and justice. Yes, San Francisco banks with corporations that fund the exportation of Indigenous People and their land. Banks that fund the destruction of our planet. Banks that fund climate change, which is the biggest threat to human life. Banks that fund weapons manufacturing, big tobacco and have predatory lending practices which specifically target people of color and marginalized communities. Overall corporations and banks put profit over people. We are living in a dangerous time where we have an extreme president and g. O. P. Who is hell bent on further deregulating banks, corporations and wall street for the profit of the few. California, more specifically, San Francisco, can be a leader. And show that we will not tolerate banks and corporations that exploit people and exploit our planet. We want a bank that is diverse, inclusive, and that represents all of its community members. As the saying goes, if you dont have a seat at the table, you are probably on the menu. We want a bank that puts its community first. One that invests in Affordable Housing, education and child care, Public Transit and infrastructure, small and local businesses, and Renewable Energy just for starters. San francisco has great opportunity to be a leader and San Francisco can be a great leader on public banking. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon, supervisors. Thank you for bringing this to the attention of San Francisco. This is a really important issue. And i also want to commend everyone else thats spoken. Because im very proud to be part of this group. Everyone has covered everything i would have covered. So i only have one small thing to talk about, that is my next door neighbor. Ive lived in San Francisco for 40 years. Ive taught in San Francisco public schools. Galileo and [inaudible] for 30 years. Ive seen the city change in ways that are not so pleasant. And one is my next door neighbor stephanie hellman, who is an African American woman, who has a family, has three generations living in her home. Her husband was a custodian for San Francisco. She actually worked at a bank, stephanie. They saved their money and bought a home. And owned their home for 40 years in bernal heights. Last year the bank foreclosed on her and forced her and her family out of San Francisco. They had no sympathy for her and her situation, her husband just died. She was suffering from senility. Her family was forced out of the city. We need a public bank that has a heart. And i commend you and all the people speaking in favor of that to make that a reality. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. My name is alan fisher. I retired a couple years ago but for a few decades a fought for financial justice and pushed banks to do more for communities and i think this is a great effort you are undertaking and i will try to be short, partly because im really hungry. [chuckles] also i just want to support all of the other san franciscans here. You cant be Ground Breaking if you allow yourself to be hemmed by whats risky. Seems you need to be focused on doing things that are not happening from commercial banks, or maybe even Credit Unions and really serving the needs of those communities and those people. In particular, whoever leads this needs to be a Community Development banker. Too often in these situations that ive been around, a banker gets hired. And then they do what a banker does and then its the same thing as a bank. So i just think those are things to look out for. And one part of this, i hope, will be Community Development lending. So that you are really answering those problems. Everything else, i think, has been covered so thank you for doing this. Hello supervisors cohen and fewer. Thank you for bringing this up and fighting for this cause. I think this is really important to a lot of people in San Francisco and a lot of people who dont know its important to them yet will soon learn, i think. I think this will be really incredible. Ive heard a lot tonight, or today about questions about marijuana. And how we can potentially use marijuana money in this public bank. And a lot of concerns about the legality and risks of doing so. I think that right now we should focus on just moving forward on a public bank. Not worry about the marijuana element. I think that is going to get cleared up on a federal level. Theres a lot of push on both the right and the left politically to do that right now. If you put the bank in place, it will be there at the time that federal and other legislations come through to our aid. Thank you. Are there any other members of the public that would like to speak on this item . Please lineup. Thank you. Hello, supervisors, thank you so much for putting this hearing on and being champions of the public banking issue right now. Too bad we didnt move forward a little sooner when Matt Gonzalez actually put this forward in 2001, something the city should be pursuing. And then john avalos really put effort into it and fewer and cohen thank you for doing that work as well. I got activated in local politics about an issue with chase bank because i just graduated sf state with my masters degree, i didnt have much money and chase bank started charging me for being poor. So i was thinking about it from a personal level at first. And then i started to do the research into glass stegall and i started to understand that chase bank is responsible for supporting predatory lending and its also responsible for investing in fossil fuels and things that we dont believe in and so do the other big banks. So its so important for us to have an alternative that will give back to the community and it sounds like its really just an issue of getting down to brass tax like you were talking about and the speakers were talking about. Do we do something shortterm with the existing charters of the credit union or commercial banking charter or get in the formation of something entirely new and work at the state level. And theres a lot of issues right now we are having to parse that out because they are statelevel issue thats are hard. But i want to echo what ben becker just said about cannabis being something we should put off to the side when we are focusing on the shortterm and figure out how to move forward with this task force. Im curious, maybe you could respond to this what the process is going to be for the task force and selection and how fast its going to move forward. [bell] thank you. Are there any other members of the public that would like to speak on this item . All right, seeing none. Public comment is closed. Thank you, to the members of the public for voicing your support. Articulating your concerns. And most importantly, kind of raising questions on the direction you would like the task force to go in that you would like the city to be going in. Thats actually very helpful. Supervisor fewer, i think that we have completed this hearing. I dont have any other questions that i would like to raise. I would like to take a motion to file the hearing as heard. Yes. And chair, if i may just add, that i thank you again to our presenters. And i want to also thank my colleague supervisor cohen for her sponsorship and cosponsorship of this hearing and partnership. And thank you to the public for coming out today. And thank you to mr. Brussow because i think you address a lot of the negative comments that we have heard about it being too risky. But quite frankly, hearing today and looking at what these banks invest in, i would say its too risky not to do. So i think we have heard loud and clear from the public also, this is something we directionally want to go in. I want to thank you all for giving us hope and actually strength to go on. And i think it will be an expensive process, but quite frankly, i think after this hearing, i am super excited to do it. So with that, supervisor cohen, you would like for me to make a motion to move this or . Continue it or . I was going to say file it as heard. Supervisor fewer before i gavel down ive been truly inspired by the conversations not only in this chamber but conversations we have had on twitter and facebook and other social media and at events in the public. Its been an incredibly wellreceived idea. Not only here in San Francisco but across the entire country. People are paying attention and people are curious to know what San Francisco is going to do. I know my friend said she is interested in oakland being first. But i think we are going to beat you on this. [laughter] a little friendly competition never hurt anyone, right . Hopefully San Francisco will be the first so its a privilege to continue to move forward. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this discussion. [gavel] [applause] madam clerk, is there any other business before this body . Theres no further business. Supervisor fewer all right, we are adjourned. Thank yo watching. 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We have a quorum. Next is item 2. Discussion and possible action on the proposed double it of the department of knowledge inspections for fiscal years 2019 and 2020, 2018 and 2019. Good afternoon. Deputy director for the department of building inspection. Before you is the proposed fiscal year 1819, 1920 budget. We submitted a memo a week ago. I will present this as a Powerpoint Presentation so it will be easier to go through. First, similar to prior years, the budget funds positions, budget, training, it project to assist us in the Strategic Plan goals. That including performing inspections, delivering high customer service, Quality Customer service, effective administrative practices and engaging and educating the customers and other stakeholders. That is what our budget is geared towards. This year in addition to focusing on those items, we are also going to focus on Funding Priorities. This year our Funding Priorities are going to be the executive director 1702. Trying to get to streamlining the permitting and planning process for Affordable Housing to make sure we can get the 30,000 units built. Implementation of the Accessible Business Entrance Program. Mandatory soft story program. Of course, emergency preparedness. I wont say a new item but another eye tomorrow is on equity. That is ensuring to provide services equitably around the different neighborhood this is the city. So for our budget innstructions, we have the budget instructions. We are on a two year budget. This year it is 1819, 1920. The 1819 budget was approved last year. It serves as the base for this budget, for the new two year budget. The Mayors Office projects similar fund deficit similar to last year. General Fund Departments were instructed on 2. 5 general Fund Reductions for the next two years. Dbi is selfsufficient so we dont have to meet that directive. We dont worry about those reductions. The mayor instructed the departments to maintain the current ft, not increase the number of fulltime. As special Revenue Department we are required to do that. Lets just get into it now with the actual budget. First chart here are you are revenues. It shows the historical what they have been. Fiscal year 1112. As you can see, we are projecting next year for revenues to be lower than prior years, but we talked about this during the monthly meetings. Revenues are still strong. We expect it to go down a little bit. We had unprecedented growth in the past few years. A little more detail about the revenues. You will see revenues. It is a piechart that shows the distribution of revenues. It shows although we have over 40 different individual revenue sources, we have 60 made up of two revenue sources. Those are planned check revenues as well as Building Permit revenues. I will put the other ones up there. I think every one has. I will put up the major ones. We are going through quickly. The next slide will show you budget revenues. That just gives you a detail of revenues. Once again if you look at the change, look at planned checking the third or fourth revenue. You notice we are increasing to about 4. 5 million that is because two years ago when we started work on the budget our assumption was that we would be a lot lower given a decrease in activity and because of the impact of the new fees. We still see the revenues are pretty active. That is why we are bumping it up. It will belower than we projected this year. The other revenue would be Building Permits. 13. 7 million bumped up 700,000. Those are the revenues. Expenditures. Once again we are seeing that we are projecting revenues to be higher than this current year. It is leveling out. That is primarily due to a variety of things and i will go over that when we get to that point. Feel free to stop me if you have any questions while i go through the slides. The next is a piechart of expenditures. Similar to revenues to give you an idea where the focus of the expenditures are. The biggest bulk salaries then services of other departments, work orders. Since we moved to People Software that is 17 million. Those are the major expenditur expenditures. Then these are the details for the expenditures. You can see those details. You can see the salary and fringes increases in cola, retirement is going up, health is going up. That is where the increases are. You notice that services of other departments has gone down because if you recall this year we transferred about 3 million into hotel, Residential Hotel funds that were to go to mohcd. That brought that number down. Could i ask a question on the revenue side. With the degrees in 1 and 2 Family Rental unit fees. What is that about . Basically, it is based on the trends. For the past three years we have not collected more than 1. 2 million. We were budgeted at 1. 5. We brought it to where we collected it. Based on actual . Yes, based on actual. Thank you. Here are a few of the highlights o on the expenditure. We talked about salaries increasing because every timer and health. We also see that we are increasing our outreach. We are adding money for additional outreach for advertising, particularly for the Accessible Business Entrance Program. We are planning to have the earthquake safety fair. We will add extra money for outreach there. Mandatory soft storage. We will do outreach. Other programs i didnt include private schools, also private schools, too. We are focusing on getting the message out about the programs and doing all types of advertisement and different languages. We are adding more money to be sure we get the information out there. Out there in fiscal year 20 we will see a big increase because of the acella project. That will be a full year and we will on a new private cloud hosting, that means the amount has increased a lot. 1. 1 million. That is why we will see a big uptick there. Then in materials and supplies we talked about this at the last meeting, we had the electronic signature system. We did a pilot system on one side of fifth floor. Because of that success we will implement that through the building. We added materials and supplies, computers, monitors, televisions to implement that. That is a summary of the highlights. Those are purchases that we probably can transfer to the new building when we move there . Thank you for bringing that up. You wont see in this budget anything related to the new building. We are still in planning stages. What we will do is in 1920 we will see a big increase next year to take into consideration the new furnishings with the building. Everything else we purchase now we have spoken to our msi manager and he is working to make sure it fits with the new building. We are only gets things that can move over. We are scaling down. Doing what is necessary but we didnt want to wait two years. The system is working well if we want to implement it. Great. I think that is probably the highlights of it. I added in there if you were interested in knowing who were the services of other departments that we actually fund the big ones assessors office, fire department, controller, City Attorney. That is the budget at a high level. I would be more than happy to answer any questions. Commissioner lee. Since you brought up the new building. What is the target date of moving in the new building . I believe it is still 2020. Since we are talking about money do we know approximately how much we need to spend . We do not. There is nothing in the budget. Right now we are working with the team on looking at the internal layout, we ar we are wg with them. We havent gotten to furnishing or anything like that. At this point we are unclear. We would assume they want to do something consistent through the building. We want instructions from them. We may purchase the same types of equipment. Moving costs as well you will discuss . Moving cost and furnishings and Everything Else we will do. We will discuss that later. We werent ready to think about that in this budget. We hope once we are done with finalizing the layout of our floors and this is happening city wide, then the next phase, i think dpw is managing it, to go to actual furnishings and that those is. What is going to happen once we move out . I know the building was sold. Other than that i am not clear what will happen with that building . Have we anticipated the costs of what commissioner lee was referring to out every serves . Is there a reserve sept aside for set aside . Those arent included in the budget. I know we have a reserve and we also have a. We do have a research. I a reserve. I am not sure if we have to dip into reserves. We have reserves we will be able to use if for instance a year or two from now revenues are going down and we dont have enough revenue to support it, but for now we should be okay. Thank you. A question i had for the director with implementing the executive order 1702 i am concerned we are complying with the mayors request not to increase fte. Do we have the staffing to fully implement this directive . That is a good question. Yes, at this point we are working to fill vacancies. We have a lot of positions. In february at least five new people will be hired, about five people are retiring, too. We have vacancies that is the plan. Not only the mayors housing directive but also more on code enforce mend and Accessible Business Entrance Program to continuously try to fill vacancies. We just completed the building inspector list, and i think so far we hired three and there may be more from there. We will soon we are working on the housing list, on the electrical list and on a plumbing list. We are getting those lists ready to continuously fill the vacancies that are occurring due to retirements but also building up the staff to have enough people to meet the directives and get the job done. Just a couple of things. The acella program is, i guess, a november target. September of 2018. You know clearly the full support forgetting it implemented strongly is critical. That is not within your future budgeting. Your 1. 1 for Additional SupportGoing Forward is a separate issue. Are we certain that we have enough money set aside to make sure any contingencies necessary to ensure full adoption is successful . Yes, the acella project has project funds established a few years ago. That is what we are still working on. The current tract is about 4. 2 million is about 400,000 worth of contingency funds built in there. To get to the current at this point we have been told it will be 4. 2. Not the full 4. 2. That including 400,000 contingency. We should have enough funding to get there. The reason you see the additional amount in fiscal year 20 is because the hosting model has changed. Up to this point it was about 130,000. Because we are going to a private cloud that means something just for the city, it is increased by to 900,000. That is why we wont see the full cost until fiscal year 2020. We are not going live until september 18. We will use the old hosting models on the pricing of it. Your continuing gypsies look at what. They look okay right now. Let me use a caveat. Dbi is not managing acella. That is at department of technology. We ordered 4. 2 million to the department of technology in that contract for this phase to go live in september. There is about 400,000 in contingency. We heard that so far not very much has been used. I dont think any of it. There may be some used later, but not much has been used. I fully accept that you did a very wise use of history as the basis for all of the future plans and your adjustments make perfect sense. Sometimes it is a very healthy thing to look at a zero base. If i had it to do over, what would i change, what would i do . As you are most intimately familiar with all of the numbers. Are there anyplaces if you had more discretion to not have it quite so zero based so history based and more zero based, are there anyplaces in particular you personally would see investments . I am talking on the expenditure side, not revenue side, that we havent pursued in the interest of having this very clear historic reference . Well, the revenues are definitely based on historic. The expenditures not necessarily. We are in a better position than most departments that we have the revenues to do what we need to do with them. A lot of times following prior years would limit us for doing something new. For instance where we need to increase we have increased it. At the same time we have to balance with the fact we have to look at the prior spending because that is what the Mayors Office is going to look at and the board of supervisors is going to look at. If we say we want more money in training to half a million dollars. I can guarantee if we put a halfmillion dollars into training when we only spend 200,000. That would be cut even if we wanted to. Not because we dont have enough money because we do. It is because when others are reviewing the budget they look at the historical. For us we balance that with looking at other things. For instance, we probably will have to explain why we are increasing 1 million to the hosting and that will be a good professional services or current expenses. We will have to explain why we are increasing advertising. We feel we have a legitimate and reason for that we will show that. We have to balance with the funding we have to balance with looking at what we have done in the past because others will do that and we have to justify it. We increase what we need to increase. I keep getting back to this from the point of view of big organizations change is hard. If you are implementing acella you have to anticipate a lot of work, a lot of investment to make to be sure that our whole staff is fully embracing it, fully trained on ate, really comfortable with it, and enthusiastically prepared to use it to its maximum effectiveness. Same will come up when we have our whole new facility. That brings up not just buying new furniture and equipment. It is getting everybody really on board with it so that not only we make it without any glitches, which is sort of a baseline, but we really are maximizing the potential of the new facility to be part of the whole vision we have of how are we more efficient, how are we more customer friendly, how are we serving People Better . All of the thing that the new things can do so since we have been in this favorable surplus position, you know, i just am looking for ways to anticipate where some foreseeable Wise Investments for ensuring that these big change agents are most effectively done and done to really maximize the vision that we have for the department of better service, efficiency, all of the things we believe in an long with the core mission of Public Safety and, you know, effectively performing our core function. Getting ahead of things and, you know, especially when we are in surplus position so the justification is there, almost preparing people for it. It is something i would love to see us doing so that when we do make the presentation it is not that seems like too big a number, you know, lets cut it back and see if we can make it work with this smaller number because the city budget overall is tough this year. The more we do of set asides or preparing people two years, three years, four years in advance that these are critical investments that we believe are important to our longterm success and reaching our true mission and goals are things that i would love to see the call outs and preparing it. Just two things because you talked about the building and believes acella. For both big projects there is ocm associated with that. You may not see it in our budget but there is change of management and the city has a separate consultant working with all departments to make sure that happens. I am sure you are aware with acella the Department Heads change management. Lilly is out and henry have been working on that. It may not be called out in the budget. Particularly, with acella because it is going on for a long time and because we had funding in the budget and the project, annually we dont have to keep adding money because we have had a project set aside years ago. I do agree that we have to make sure people are involved and ready for the changes. We are working on that on the acella side and the city is working on that on the building side. Thank you very much. Thank you for the presentation. I dont know if you have the answer. If we go to services of other departments, city legal services, and i notice that number hasnt changed very much over the years. My question sometimes we see situations where the department is not involved with the decision that the City Attorney might make in regard to proceeding against some Building Permits or whatever. It might have gone through our litigation or niv processor whatever. The City Attorney would take it upon themselves to take action. It is a departments kind of just based on what it finds or the fines leveed to that. Does the department do we build for those times . Is that something we are involved in . Yes, we are billed. You are correct the budget for the City Attorney has not changed. Expenditures changed. Last year we moved money at the end of the year because of a huge case. The one thing in the budget a lot of times that is not necessarily driven by the department would be those work orders. I expect those to change. We have not if you look at your Powerpoint Presentation compared to what you received on january 31, you will see the numbers going up. We are just starting to get information about the work orders from other departments. You are correct, there are cases. There could be other cases city wide if it is part of the Building Permit. Then we are charged to are that, too. It talks to your bottom line, you know. If a huge case is tone upon where we are not involved in the decision making. At what point do you know the fees and what that comes to . How do you accept the bill and it is automatically put in . We accept the bill. I may not know specifically about it until i see the bill. Look at this bill. They are working with Code Enforcement and other this is the departments. What happens is that we just have to make it happen and pay for the bill. In the case of this, this case i am riverring to that we really over spent our budget by a huge amount, a case was won with that. We should be getting some of those costs back. I get that part. The open checkbook policy that i am trying to figure out. Would that be necessarily, for example, if other departments would have that same policy . Would dpd or planning have the same issue . We dont really have. Planning takes money to us. We collect fees. For planning, but there are citywide work orders that will happen on the department of technology. We will not know what the time number will be until it is placed in the budget, but we have made a request that before you go over expenditures please let us know. Dbi has money but it needs to be appropriated. We need to knowou