Transcripts For SFGTV Government Access Programming 20240713

Required for determination by the department of health, than the process must be followed by its two rules. One, it is not preemptive. Second, it is not condition. Therefore, there are no conditions restraining its action. It is there for the sole purpose to protect society from abuse, danger, or harm, the e. P. A. , the f. D. A. , c. D. C. , the courts, consider wifi a pollutant. Inappropriately, electrical and he wi electronic engineers measure harm. They do not measure the body or cells. They do not measure exposure over time. Scientific authorities recognize the danger and state it must be reduced a thousand fold and would still be able to enable communication. San francisco in its wisdom passed a precautionary principle and can now mandate and enact it, allowing policy to catch up with science to protect us, the residents of San Francisco. 5g is not tested, even under specific absorption rates. So much of it goes on. Im sure therell be another hearing which im sure youll allow us to stay more. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon good evening, president yee and supervisors. I want to show a picture of my mother again, meter maid, grace murray, checker 111 back from 1975. I remember shed work hard. Nobodys perfect. She gave my father a ticket once, out at fishermans wharf. She signed it with love. She gave George Moscone a ticket at west portal. He was having an ice cream. Ive got it on my wall. I told Kriss Moss Tony about it, too. Im going to ask him if he mentioned it when he came home. So i hope youre protecting yourselves from an earthquake because it shake, city, shake. Shake, city, shake. In case theres a shake, city, shake, in case theres a shake, rattle, and roll, i said shake, rattle, and roll, youve got to do something to save yourself from an earthquake, your soul. And cheers. Heres a meteorite. They also say it could hit us, but its a graphic right here. Its a very slim chance, but it brings me to my Public Comment. If i were the mayor of San Francisco, id sure let you know id hold a meeting that i did all cause im stone in love with you. I did it all cause im stone in love with you. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Next speaker. Good evening, supervisors. Im leslie, and im from district three or i reside in district three. The implementation of 5g Technology Demands mass coverage throughout the city with wireless antennas. Current nonindustry funded scientific studies absolutely show harm, biological harm from electromagnetic microwave radiation, which is wireless. The roll out of 5g is in opposition to San Franciscos precautionary principle. 5g is harmful. The public must be allowed to continue to speak about any proposed site for antenna installations. Please rescind ordinance 19019. There are cities in europe which are ae posing 5g, and if you would please keep in mind that the f. C. C. Is an industry f. C. C. Is an agency thats protected by industry. So please, protect the city, not the industry. Thank you so much. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon. I am speaking on behalf of the taxi medallion holders. [inaudible] and San Francisco City Government functional hierarchy, enabled lyft to destroy taxi business. [inaudible] we have dedicated 25 years to San Francisco public. You never allowed us work without medallions. More than 700 taxi medallion owner families turned into poverty by San Francisco City Government. We did not choose to buy it. S. F. Forced us to buy. [inaudible] we are trying to kill two birds with one stone, like their job securities and products on the fronts. Without funding money to us. But these arent our concern. Our concern is we want our money back. Our taxi business is down to 10 . We have no equal rights, something that is irregular, dishonest, conducted and never made corrections. Why are you enforcing medallion loans . It is extortion [inaudible] no make your decision and notify us of our specific times of our money [inaudible] thank you. President yee next speaker. Good afternoon. We came here at 2 00. Now its at 5 00 p. M. No, 7 00, 7 10 and almost five hours, and i dont think im going to make any money today. But my expenses are still there. Its 100. 45 was the cab company. They are not serving anything for me today, but i still owe them 45 today. Bank gave me 250,000. I have to pay them 50 a day. But i request that you can smash the 45 i am paying on a daily basis. 20 goes to insurance, and thats fine, but the 20 to the cab company, what do they do for me . I look for my customers on the street, fishermans wharf, or the airport. I wish that you would take that burden off of my back. You can do that. You are most intelligent people of San Francisco. You are dancing the city on your fingertips, and we hope that you can do the same thing to the sfmta. Make them dance on your fingertips. Give us our money make and find some other birds so you can give us our blood. Let us go, pay us 250, and grab your new birds. Thank you very much. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Good evening, sir. My name is hachi, and i drive taxi cab since 1992, and i was living in sacramento, and i have i lose my business standing, but i have to still drive. Im not able to drive taxi anymore in the city of San Francisco. Sfmta, they promised to take medallion back. Theyre going to give us our money back when were not able to drive, and i dont know how long they have to punish to us. Thank you very much. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Hello. My name is robert johnstone. Im here to express my opposition to your recent 5g lemgs latio legislation, but i would also like to voice my support for the taxi drivers. It sounds like they got a bum deal. So i appreciate supervisor mar and supervisor peskin and supervisor mandelman for asking for new hearings. I will skip over my part of the statement about your betrayal of public trust, but for those of you who have tenants in your district, i want to tell you just what a bad actor verizon has been for years. Verizon has never wittingly noticed a single tenant pursuant to article 25 ever. They claimed ridiculously that your legislation claimed they could notify owners or tenants but not both. The City Attorney was aware of this, or at least the deputy City Attorney was. I imagine the d. P. W. Was, as well. To me, this just encapsulates whats been wrong with this system. Your recent legislation made this worse, so i hop you can make this better. Thank you. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Good evening, supervisors. Audrey rume with new neighborhood council. Ill be brief. I just want to point out the San Franciscos ordinance on precautionary principle and urge you to stop implementing this technology until we know better. Heres what the precautionary principle of San Franciscos precaution principle states. Where sets up irreversible damage to people or life exists, damage or certainty to cause and effect hadshall not used [inaudible] so if this is a technology that we know so very little about and implementing it in a city of 800,000 over 800,000 people could be catastrophic. So its not too much to ask you to stop implementation until we have that data that tells us the health of the residents. And also, like the previous driv speaker, i think its reasonable to pay the taxi drivers back the medallion many. I think in a city with 12 billion budget, we can afford to do something for these folks. Good evening, supervisors. I urge you to proceed with caution and not rush into implement 5g. Many Northern California cities have taken steps to protect their residents with respect to the objective standards public works is proposing. The objective standards will lead to a proliferation of 4 and 5g cell an tents with up to five antennas per pole and bulky boxes everywhere. In addition, fiberoptic wiring can go to homes and businesses instead of antennas and facilities of 4 and 5g. Rushing to promote 5g standards will result in the loss of local government control, insight, and will have direct environmental impact. Cities have traditionally negotiated with providers on issues like location, appearance, and size of wireless structures. These bills severely limit the ability of cities to ensure that infrastructure suits the neighborhood around it and the ability of cities to decide whether or not to allow private use of public property at all. The f. C. C. S order requiring fixed rental rates for municip municipally owned poles and rightofway forces taxpayers to subsidize private commercial development and violates the fifth and tenth amendment. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Hello. Im sarah, a teacher at School District unified School District. We are concerned that antennas will be located as close as 6 feet from a bedroom window. The process requires our city officials to not knowingly put the residents in harms way. San francisco has flagrantly failed to enact its ordinance by allowing scientifically tested cell phone tours and antennas with clear evidence of d. N. A. Damage and cancer. It was yesterday published, showing a definite increase in d. N. A. Damage, such as the small cells that the ordinance would be putting in front of childrens high schools. Lowell high school already has a small cell in front of it where parents pick up their children. One of my students waits underneath that cell tower every day and it just breaks my heart because this is an unknown, untested thing, personal wireless facility. They didnt even know what it was. So San Francisco should be leading the way. So im going to ely marks from the California Brain Tumor Association mentioned sacramento. She has a letter to you. She wrote small cells have been activated in areas of San Francisco and los angeles president yee thank you. Next speaker. Hi. Before i start, i just wanted to voice my support for the taxi drivers. I understand its a very complex problem, and theres not a clear solution yet, but its something that should be given a lot of attention. That said, my name is ryan and im a thirdyear student at the university of San Francisco. As future health care providers, we understand the great gap in care for those affected by Mental Health disorders. Wed like to acknowledge and support the efforts of budget and finance committee for the Mental Health program. In addition were in support of sb 1045 which provides additional Mental Health services to San Franciscos health population. However we would like to advocate for greater expansion for efforts to all members of the community. In addition, utilization and out come studies must be conducted in order to determine additional unmet needs. Our San Francisco community is incredibly diverse. This form of response can be valuable at increasing the overall productivity and affected life of individuals. The consequences affect not only the patient but the community as a whole. Thank you so much for your time as well as the opportunity to comment on this unmet need. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Hello. My name is kieran jackson. Im a biology student at San Francisco state university. Im here to talk about the 5g cell phone tower ordinance . Theres not a lot i can say that hasnt been already said, but a fun fact or not so fun fact about the cell towers. Recent Health Studies from kaiser have revealed that exposure to Magnetic Fields in women have resulted in an in in pregnant women have resulted in an increased health risk. Were experiencing a lot of detrimental environmental effects that are not due to the cause of this generation and its kind of been dumped on us from the previous generation . And i dont think that its fair to do that and contribute to that with the 5g cell phone towers for our babies in the future. Thank you so much for your time. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Hi. I just wanted to talk about my personal experience with electromagnetic radiation. Im an engineer. I moved to San Francisco three years ago. I started getting headaches, i started getting multiple headaches a few times a day. I lost hair and lost weight, and i didnt know what was happened. I happened to hear from a podcast at that time about e. M f. I also had arthritis in every joint of my body. I never got tired, but when i fell asleep, i would wake up with arthritis and hangover headache although ive never drank the night before. All this stuff went away when i turned the power off in my room, so ive become an avid activist as much as i can for e. M. F. S. And its not that it hasnt been studies, theres thousands of studies showing effects. Theres d. N. A. Damage, neurodegeneration, lower sperm count, causes cancers, insomnia, headaches, depression, fatigue. Ive experienced a lot of these things, and i have to live in San Francisco. I have to commute on b. A. R. T. , and i do it while watching people watching videos on their cell phones, and i dont think i will be able to do that if its 5g. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Good evening, supervisors. You know, have you thought about the safety hazard thats created by this Medallion Program . Were all working long hours, doing anything to meet our goal just to break even. Its pretty disgusting. Really disgusting. Down right pathetic. The profit margin is pathetically low, and this medallion is not even worth 125,000 and were paying 250,000 plus interest. Pretty terrible. You know, as far as im concerned, the m. T. A. Ended this Sales Program a long time ago when they chose not to lower the price and reimburse us the difference. This program has been dead for a long time. Its time to keep up your end of the bargain, and i say your because you guys are the city, and you guys are hand in hand with the m. T. A. In one way or the other. Dont blow smoke up our you know what. Please. Im sick of it. Thank you. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Good evening. My name is marcelo fonseca. Ive been a fulltime taxi driver for 31 years. I take a lot of pride in what i do for a living. The rise of the medallion and ride share such as uber and lyft has brought great financial hardships to taxi drivers. Medallions acquired through the waiting list are forced to drive until they drop dead, and medallions acquired through the medallion Sales Program are trapped with unpayable loans. Late mayor lee and the m. T. A. Had to know that uber and lyft posed a great threat to all medallion holders in the taxi industry as a whole, and yet they carried out the program masterminded by gavin newsom. They made millions of dollars on the backs of drivers at the same time they welcomed unfair competition. We would not be here all these years if it was not for the investment we made in the medallion system. Our careers and lives are being destroyed. The m. T. A. And the city of San Francisco have failed us. So the city of San Francisco and the m. T. A. Have a moral, ethical, and very possibly a legal obligation to bail out the taxi industry. I hope this board will look into this matter sooner rather than later. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Hello. My name is carolyn kahn. I live in potrero hill in San Francisco, and i wont take a long time. I think youve heard a lot of eloquent statements with many facts. I happen to be a ph. D. Cell biologist. Im not going to go into it. Youll hear the facts at the next meeting. Im very proud to live in San Francisco and i support the liberal policies in this city. And im having a hard time understanding why just some of these cities have already not supported 5g and are protecting their citizens and among them are berkeley, piedmont, monterey county, lot altos, sabastopo sebastopol, and the list goes on. I think this is just an issue of greed. I think that, you know, many of us have cell phones. I havent been anywhere in this city where ive not been able to use my cell phone, and i dont see the need for 5g at all. I dont know that we canty it out, but i think you should really seriously consider the implications. Thank you. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Oh, i enjoyed the obvious portability of the obvious pop up clinic proposed by supervisor mandelman, particularly if it operates throughout the night. The 129 rescue wing of the California Air National Guard is based at moffat field. Im wondering if and also whether theres an understanding with the News Agencies as regards where they might be permitted or restricted from operating helicopters following a substantial earthquake or fire, and also have valves and certain specified pump stations been auto mated as recommended in a 2014 awss report produced by acom. Theyve estimated that property insurance homeowners might decline by 34 million annually, and collectively if you carried out all of their recommendations and lobbied for them alongside interest groups. President yee thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon, dear member supervisors. I did google for what were going to be using tonight. I found one, were hungry, thats correct. Everybodys hungry. Were out here five hours. You, me, everybodys hungry. But the second work, m. T. A. Promised along with San Francisco credit union, were going to help you make money when many of us are taxi drivers supposed to have our free medallion. I found the Pilot Program. Mr. Lee, mr. All the member of this staff, sfmta, go into any company, brother, youre going to make money. Youre going to be rich guy. Youre going to make the kind of money you needed. Well, what happened when the Pilot Program fail . They return the money. Why are we waiting . Please do something for return our money. Thank you and good night. President yee seeing no other speaker or Public Comment is now closed. Madam clerk, i think we have one more item. Can you call the adoption without Committee Reference calendar. Clerk yes. Item 25 was adopted without reference to committee. A unanimous resolution is required for passage today. Clerk i guess, why dont we just take roll. Roll, please. Clerk on item 25 [roll call] clerk there are eight ayes. President yee the resolution is adopted. Madam clerk, please read the meemoriam. Todays meeting will be adjourned in memory of the following beloved individuals. On behalf of annemarie garvin, mr. Leslie michael silverman. For the late simon migdon. For the late reuben good man, richard e. Stewart, and daphne dorman. President yee okay, colleagues, that brings us to the end of our agenda. Madam clerk, is there any further business before us today . Clerk that concludes our business for today. President yee we are adjourned. Good afternoon, everyone. I would like to call the meeting of the San Francisco Public Utilities commission to order. May i please have the roll call madam secretary . [roll call] thank you very much. Can we have the next item . Approval of the minutes of october 8, 2019. You have before you the minutes from october 8. Are there any questions or comments on the minutes . Any Public Comment on the minutes. Motion to approve . All those in favor . Opposed . The motion carries. The next item is general Public Comment. I have a card from mr. Decosta. It afternoon. Ellipsis good afternoon. I dont say this too many times. When i fill out my card you will see Environmental Justice advocacy. I have gone your website. In all of this time from 2,002 up to 2019, how has sfpuc addressed Environmental Justice when it comes to our infants, our children, our youth, our young adults, our elders, those with compromised health, the physically and mentally challenged . I want to know. Do we have a department, or whatever term of external affairs chief strategist . I would like to have some sort of an explanation with all of the money that has been set aside for community benefits, how much is really being satisfied when it comes to children . How much of it has been satisfied . And, if San Francisco Public Utilities commission is appropriate, and if this is tied to all of the talk that you talk about, equity, resilience, and whatever. Cultural competency and implicit bias does and whatever, i want to know. I do come to these meetings. It is not easy for me to come to these meetings. Ive got other things to do. If i come to these meetings, i can look people in the eye. I know what is happening. I take notes. I dont want to judge anybody. What i want to request of you commissioners is we all need to come into the community, or yall need to go to the health department, or yall need to go to any of the entities that have the statistics so that yall can review what is really happening in this community. The carbon footprint, congesti congestion. How does San Francisco Public Utilities commission play a roll . Thank you very much. Thank you. Any other general public comme comment . Hearing none. Next item, please. Item five is communications. I did have a question on the communications as i was going through my docket here. The advanced calendar that we get. I was just noticing, may i did notice it before, i appreciate the yellow highlights. Some of these have gone on for some time. I am wondering how they get addressed. When it gets to a certain. , does it then rise to a certain level. Some of these things i would still like some information on. I dont know if it means it needs to come back to us has a list to find out if we still want the information. The request i had on the possible uses of drones im not quite as interested in anymore as i am for planning for Battery Storage or disaster recovery, for example. Probably what we will do is we will double backed with each one of your requests. Some we probably thought we answered like we have a drone policy. Anyway we can come back with y you. I know that donna has been doing a good job trying to make sure that folks respond. That is something we are working on. If we dont respond to should do a date in which we can respond. That would be helpful. Or just some feedback. Sometimes we see that it has already been dealt with. It feels like some of these things are getting pretty old. Anything else on communications . Any Public Comments on communications . Next item, please. Item six is a report of the general manager. The first item is our sewer system improvement program, major project. Good afternoon, commissioners. I am project manager for headworks. First, i want to thank you maxwell, and commissioner vietor for taking time to come out to the site recently and look at the headworks construction site and see the complexity of the project on the site constraints associated with also commissioner caen was there. Thank you for visiting the site. In the last update to the commission, we provided you an overview of the process which is also known as construction manager general contractor they can inform the design and address the risk early on. We also had cost estimating process and evaluation during the various design milestones. Having cmgc on board early on can inform the project of an industry trends. We explained that in this bill, which we typically used to do. The risk may not be identified or addressed until the construction is underway leading to contracted downtime in the middle of the construction, or expensive change orders. We also highlighted the benefits of cmgc, during the last meeting when we were here. How construction and design can overlap in cmgc. Some example of headworks, we would not have been able to Start Construction even today because we are still finishing up the design on one of the major components. We have been in construction for almost two years and we have made significant process. Ellipsis progress. Two major items i would like to go over. To provide you an update on the construction progress and also how it will be packaged with the remaining project. Also one more item in the last commission update you had asked us about why headworks foundation is not going to the bedrock and if we should be concerned about any settlement . Today i will provide approach to geotechnical design and provide you a between the skyscraper versus our headworks which is spread out and more flat type of building. You might remember this slide from the last time. Headworks project is often compared to brain surgery being done while keeping the patient alive. We stopped to maintain 250 milliongallon treatment capacity while doing this Major Construction upgrades. It is one of the most complex projects by any standards. Quickly recap and spend a couple of moments what is the purpose of headworks out what are the project addressing the shortcomings. Headworks is also known as treatment, where the flow from collection systems first enters into the plant. The majority of equipment has reached its useful life, 30 plus years old. The current headworks does not do a good job in removing the grit and screening. Our Performance Today based on headworks is 50 below. The new design will take us up to 90 upfront. For any wellfunctioning plan, the better job we do upfront it helps everything downstream processes. One of the other major level of service was the seismic deficiency. With the old structure we are trying to address within a project. As you can see on the graphics we have five distinct scope of works. Scope one is known as Site Preparation. Okay. Scope one is the Site Preparation and scope to a is known as the pump station is the wet weather pump station. The other scopes i will describe later. Those are additional scopes that we added of the project. The main headworks is known as a scope three. You have scope one and then three scope to and made headworks project. Since last update to the commission, the headworks project has moved to scopes into the next phases. Move from design phase to the big package, advertisement phase. Scope three has moved from advertisement to construction phase. Those are the two major changes. The color of the highlighted of the scope has changed, so has the phase. On the construction updates, we have two scopes and construction phase as i mentioned earlier. Scope one includes the site prep which consists of relocating major utilities or replacing utilities. We have completed 100 today. We have completed building the readout. The existing old headworks, and also, you know, we have completed 75 of construction of scope one. On scope 2 we have completed upgrade of six pumps to higher capacity to retrieve achiev achieve two large screens have been replaced at electrical upgrades. To date we have completed 75 construction on scope 2 a as well. You might be familiar with this chart. We show this to you last time when we were here. This pretty much depicts how we conduct cost estimates at standard intervals. The project designs. Often for the complex projects, longduration. The duration between the start of the project to the completion of design could be 45 years. To give you an example of headworks project. We started planning in 2013. The construction started in 2017. It is a good four years when we go through the planning and design. During this milestone. We prepared estimates to reflect market condition, site constraints, sequencing, workforce availability and update those estimates as we move to the milestones. As i said, conceptual engineer report during the planning phase which is the end of the planning phase completed in 2016. The next milestone will be 35 . Its about that time we start doing geotechnical and hazmat investigation. The Design Elements were still not completely baked at 35 . In edition, we did bring cmgc on board at the 35 designed to help us with our Design Elements. Help us with the sequencing. Their input has benefited us quite a bit. They collaborate to identify and mitigate risk prior to the construction and we prize that risk into the parade around 2017, we added as an owner about 100 milliondollar scope to mitigate some of the associate traffic on evans avenue, excavation on the streets and increase the liability. We did come back to the commission to inform that early 2018. For headworks, 95 estimate for main headworks was done in may of 2018, reflecting the market condition come at that time. That will be the last estimate on this graph. In the next slide i will walk through what happens after the 95 example of one of the largest package which is the contractual concrete package. That will depict what happens on the structural with 95 estimate done. This table shows you three columns. The first column is the description of the items that i plan to discuss. The second column is the estimate and trend. And that what actually happened when receive the bids and awarded. To date we have awarded 25 package is associated with scope one, 2 a and three. The bids came at 121, the lowest bids, and that is what we awarded. Almost 20 increase on what we are seeing on the bids. We have 20 packages out on the street that we havent received the bid yet. Are in the process of evaluating the bids. That is about 120 million. We did not know the actual award amount until we finish our evaluation in the bids that we receive. The last is our main headworks. We still have about 54 packages to go at the value of three and a 41. You can see there is still 60 of the work is planned to be paid out in coming years. Im going to show you my concrete which is the real number example in this slide. Usc what big packages consist of. In my concrete example which is our real package. When we estimated so i have it here, 95 estimate column and propose one which is the bigger one, take an example of first line item which is classic concrete 4,000psi strength. At the time of estimate about 1. 5 years ago, in a contractor because of a potential vendor and says what is your current price . Every milestone they call to get the latest quote. In 2018 it was a hundred 60 per cubic yard. After 1. 5 years, same bidders bid the job, on the day of the bid, these are the numbers we are seeing. Those bids are very close. It tells me that the market is really otherwise those numbers would be a part as well. Could there be a way that you could say, you know, if there is an increase that there would be some way we would know . I have the same question. If you would say markets, or something, to indicate why . The first thing i think of, who is bidding . Didnt we know . I would ask that question. If you explain what happened, it makes sense. Timing is a factor. A lot of things have happened in the last year. I think he is going to go over that. This is just to illustrate when the contractor called the suppliers, this is the number they received 1. 5 years ago. Now they call it a supplier again, and the price has increased. We are doing our Due Diligence to see, you know, we noticed that this is not only in San Francisco, its happening in san jose and other places as well. We will go over what we are seeing, and what are some of the things we can help mitigate this . I understand that. I appreciate that. I would also like to maybe see and hear when you did it. At least if we knew this was done 1. 5 years ago, or whenever it was done, then a lot of questions you would have until you get to the next slide, you know . On the chart you have may 2018. That is when the contractor called the suppliers. And then june 2019 is when they called again to get a quote. We are seeing that differential a price. I dont want to steal your thunder but there are certain things that have been happening for the last three years. More pressure i would say that if we do not have a change it could go even higher. Thank you, general manager. I will take one more example on the pricing. Lets take an example of the reinforcing steel. At 95 estimate the contractor, which was given to the contractor was our cmgc contractor not the bidding contractors was 1. 10 per pound. When the bids arrived in 2019, they are 1. 41 per pound. You can see increase on there, too. If you will some not all up. Our total cost for the concrete package was 41 million in may of 2018. Of course, we awarded at the lowest bidder at six to 1 million. 61 million. This bidding is trending about estimates. The bidding market seems to be reflecting in the market types and general labor shortage in the region. As you have seen, you know, we still have quite a few packages to bid out. Fiftyfour packages worth three and a 40 million. There are things 340 million. There are things we can do such as evaluate the timing or the sizing of the package. That opportunity still exists. The team is also going to look into resequencing some of the work. Also look into the possibility of removing some constraint that can reduce our costs. I would like to highlight 155,000 work hours to date that is something to be that is very good. That is great. Thank you. Also the good news, we have 28 million allocated today for the scope i and ii. A. That is quite a significant amount. I was going to say, look at the next one. The current bid trending, higher than our estimates due to these reasons. We will work as a team to see what we can mitigate in the next 54 packages to bid out. Sixtyfour job still need to be paid out. We can time what package when we want to bid out. What size of package. If we start seeing too much price we can break it up or combine a little bit here and there, and still make final completion date. I would say that is a great advantage, because, you know, for the work that the contractor is not self performing, and even the work they self perform we can determine if its going to be self perform or not that we can talk to them and say, hey, this price is high. How can we work to reduce it . Then they go out to get pricing on it. So that we can figure out what are the best ways. And then, you know, as part of the whole process we need 23 bids on each of the packages so that we make sure, you know. Also, what we are doing is looking at other cities in the bay area, because i dont know if you know, San Francisco is the most expensive place to build in the united states. Second from new york. I thought we overtook new york . Not on construction. I know new york, hong kong. Yeah, so, but anyway, it is really challenging. We are moving from the numbers . I did have a question, it would serve your first slide where it had the second and third phases and it really is what prompted the question in the first phase is about 20 over, im curious, you know, once those numbers do come in, even with medication from a time perspective, it seems like cost is still going to be quite a bit more than what we have seen what we have approved as a commission. While that then come back to us as a whole package or by phase to be abl t