17 no, its not even about alessandro, but i want to have at least somewhere to be. Just you know. I have so much tension. Why are you silent traffic jams, perhaps today you still have a few minutes you heard me, until said. The main body of information is encrypted and not immediately split. Well, the key to the cipher somewhere in the cloud is hidden under the guise of a picture or photograph, right . Yes, you cant hide such a key under the rug in front of the apartment. How much time do you need to hack yes week no week no. Well, we have something. Look , one of the Communication Channels was a computer game shooter, they communicated directly in the game chat almost open, well, its clear, and then the next session of the defendants in half an hour in this chat. There is an opportunity to broadcast a big game in ukraine continues stubborn battles russia continues to inflict serious effective strikes on ports, warehouses and a center for the production of drones of unmanned boats, especially near odessa, but ukraine, as it has already become accustomed to, strikes with drones in moscow absolutely without result, but in addition , more and more energetic attacks, crimea , including the crimean bridge, as for the crimean bridge, this situation is especially interesting interesting. I mean in terms of the fact that it shows what the kiev regime is. President zelensky said that from his point of view, the crimean bridge is a completely legitimate military target. Lets hear what he said about this, the crimean bridge. For us, this is a hostile object built to me by law outside of International Law and applicable norms, so this is our goal, any goal that bears war, and the world must be neutralized. And president putin , e, recalled that the crimean bridge has not been used for military transportation for a long time, and this is quite obvious, because trucks do not go across the crimean bridge now and then the question arises. What is the point of attacking the crimean bridge, especially the part where normal passenger cars move . Well, for zelensky, this is clearly not a problem at all, and since he did not give permission for the creation of this bridge, it means that this bridge should not exist because thousands of thousands of people are traveling along it. Many of them are citizens of ukraine. Many of them are allegedly those whose people he wants to free from russia. It doesnt matter to him. However, what is called c who will lead from that and you will type involuntarily remember what happened in 1999, when the United States and nato attacked yugoslavia. Lets take a look at the railway bridge in yugoslavia where the planes over the american planes attacked the train and what explanation did they give, the United States of the commanderinchief of the nato armed forces at that time, general wesley clark, who is now, by the way, one of the main ones, if you want the supporters of ukraine in the United States, he very simply explained the american attack. But we didnt want to hit the train, especially the passenger train. We had no such intentions, it never occurred to us that when it comes to a bridge where passenger trains move. Here, take a stand. And what they say we didnt mean it , but frankly, this is an inadequate explanation and we must remember that at that time serbia did not attack the United States, did not attack any of the nato countries, and did not send its troops outside its country at all. Like this. Such methods of war and such explanations are given, when its convenient for supporters of ukraine well , i dont think that this will really come as a big surprise to anyone in russia. Nevertheless, it shows who russia is dealing with and, uh, demonstrates that, of course, the kiev regime has its own habits and methods. But this , of course, is not only and not even so much the kiev regime, but this point of view of the collective west that when the collective west has declared someone an enemy, then, in general, everything can be done. And if this does not work out, if there are any serious losses among the civilian population, the explanation will be very simple this war. Our intentions are noble, our goals are correct. We are for democracy and stop fooling us with your nonsense. But i think one reason we see so many ukrainian attacks today is drones. Uh, new missiles. E shadow which is especially effective at long distances french missiles, which in general are also the same type, all this is used. I think because, in general , there is nothing else to do, especially the ukrainian offensive. It suffocated. And, of course, more one cannot be sure that the ukrainians will not receive new reinforcements, new weapons. So relax relax. Naturally early, but i think that it is precisely the lack of success on the battlefield that encourages kiev to go. It is to such extreme steps that the patrons of kiev induce all this to be lowered. With us now on skype and the famous military expert Ruslan Pukhov ruslan hello explain hello good evening. Explain what, from your point of view , is happening with the ukrainian offensive. You are absolutely right dmitry noticed this one the situation that is now unfolding on the one hand on the battlefields, and on the other hand, with a media picture on the internet, churchills wellknown phrases can be characterized; the argument is weak ; storm shadow, they can even be heard by these selfmade drones that ukrainians assemble from some chinese uh parts, yes, its like that, but homemade flying in the style of the islamic state, which is forbidden in our country, which they took against the americans. Everything else is not even mosquitoes and bites. It is simply absolutely insignificant even what flew to moscow this morning. This should somehow affect, apparently, our morale, as ukrainians, it seems that the military effectiveness of this is zero. The bridge, which has long been a priority goal in their eyes. But in general, we defend quite successfully, we must pay tribute, and a huge the amount of forces and means that the ukrainians throw, and to damage this bridge, but it is, so far, on the whole, unsuccessful. Yes, there is a picture, uh, there is a defeat, the last time these selfmade uh, hmm boats filled with explosives were used. And in general, we must now state that, and ukrainians have become adept at producing beautiful pictures. But when it came to the offensive, we see, and what do they crawl back . So to speak, collecting broken teeth and picking up bloody snot. Ruslan you said a few days ago on our program, that, of course, no matter how perfect the weapon, but the west would not provide ukraine with such a magical weapon that could not be dealt with, and against which, uh, it would not be possible to find effective defenses, but in the end they told not necessarily immediately, not necessarily easily. And so, thats why i want to ask you, but storm shadow these new missiles that appeared in ukraine they are not new at all , they are new for ukraine, the French Version of storm shadow and for me, for example, ruslan is talks about that. How difficult it is to deal with ukraine, because every time their military equipment is ground, when their next offensive turns out to be unsuccessful, ukraine is necessarily given some new weapon, and it is natural that they have to learn again with these weapons how to deal with them, how not to find the necessary antimissile Defense Systems and, uh, i dont know , maybe im exaggerating, but it seems to me that this is it. Well, if you like, an absolutely unique dimension of the war in ukraine, when ukraine can easily lose calmly. I i exaggerate a little. Well, in general, they can afford to lose their weapons in battle and stupidly. Oh, the collective west will quickly come and replace everything. You know, this is how the ukrainians want to present the case. Send us weapons, we will test them, so to speak, on the russians and on our own people. And you will get good marketing results there. Recently there was such a surge of such ukrainian activity related to the fact that since the americans are not fast enough to authorize the delivery of f16s. Let us swedes they will, and their planes are flulike, and, as it were , from the air force, so let them persuade. Chekhov , give us some of the swedish flu planes that they have in service and we will successfully use them against the russians. And they will have the opportunity to say that the car has been successfully tested in battle. Well, such is, as it were, a little rural peasant logic. Yes , and you know the best means that the war is not unfolding according to zelenskys scenario. The information that at times goes very unnoticed that even those citizens who were evacuated from the part of the kherson region that we had to leave, they took and bought with the help of housing certificates, and more than 30,000 people took advantage and bought housing on the territory of russia, that is, despite the fact that a is a wonderful argument, yes, russia could not protect you, you had to leave your homes people believe us. Yes, people continue to buy , uh, housing, yes, and so we must understand that fighting is a very strong thing. Uh, hmm fickle and of course very easy with from the point of view of modern prtechnologies, blacks are called bicycles. And call white to black. Thats why we should not be afraid of such defamation. You know in the west. The main enemy somehow. To divisive yes, to imagine it as a new garden with a useless new hitler and then its really possible to supply any weapons, then you can, and not be shy, but the fact that cluster munitions are not selective, but disfigure people, including civilians, and including later and after the end of hostilities actions to make everything possible. Ruslan the last question you mentioned is cluster munitions, but the american explanation is that these munitions, which were called not so long ago in washington, are weapons that are internationally destined, the use of which can represent war crimes. Right now they were provided to ukraine because they say in the pentagon, and other shells. Everything dried up in america, first of all, believe this explanation. And secondly, uh, how effective do you think these munitions will be . Well, you know the imposition mood. No , they are not yet widely used, and for us, uh, its hard to judge. As far as they are effective , the americans certainly have significant stocks of ammunition, but they save them for themselves. We see that the europeans have already turned out all their pockets. Eh, and indeed they cannot supply ukrainians with e worth, so to speak , speed. What kind of ammunition do they use . Yes, but to the question of the use of weapons. Look ukrainians. Learned to shoot down quite effectively. Uh, lowspeed uh drones, uh, that use russia well, so russia began to strike at protected targets with supersonic missiles, not only with daggers by a number of others, against which the air Defense System is powerless, and those ports, like portals, and located on the border with romania, which it seemed we would not dare to strike at the territory of the port, which is located 300. Meters from the border with romania, that is, the nato port was just attacked by these lowmoving targets, because there was no air defense we combine very successfully successfully repel attacks and inflict defeat on the enemy. You know ruslan i. Uh, always impressed by your performances and very carefully, and then comprehending who you said is correct, i was impressed. What do you have today . Well, perhaps the most optimistic analysis of the ongoing military events, and over a long period of time. Dmitry do you know that you can present the same information in different ways, yes, the glass is half full or half empty . Ah, i will be filled with optimism in the form of uh, a whole number of ukrainian and proukrainian western observers are hysterical, seeing that uh, so to speak the crocodile is not caught by them and the coconut does not grow. I also have concerns about some of our capabilities, in particular , after retreating after a successful defensive operation, it is necessary, uh, to attack. Here, no matter how we tear our reserves, but time will tell. Er, well, youre absolutely right. You said that, and not only you, that, in general, now a lot will depend on the struggle of reserves. For this, the next stage is called, but for now it looks like this. I know that you are a cautious person. But if i can summarize what you said. Looks good in general. We are holding the blow, inflicting a sensitive, sensitive defeat, and we see that, but you can sit on western weapons to the soviet union as much as you like, as you know, the western allies, especially in the forty first in the fortysecond year, helped, and under lendlease with weapons. However, we won it with our weapons. Yes, we launched mass production, including in its forged territories, and ukraine, which for 25 years of its first ee existence there, as an independent state, let it go around the world. Uh, priceless hmm soviet legacy in the defense industry. Now its forced there, so to speak, to collect the world one by one, including from some kind of garbage dumps , because its just that our own industry is not able to give them, but the proper amount of weapons in due time and of acceptable quality ruslan, thank you so much and we hope to see you soon in the studio. Thanks goodbye. Well, uh, probably, when it comes to what ukraine is doing, and militarily, you can probably always find everything explanation, if the expression in the war, uh, how in the war . Well, i want to ask you. E karen shakhnazarov, you are not only a brilliant analyst, but you are also their film director and they say you live not only in the world of analysis, but also in the world of emotional images. The images are beautiful. Thank you so. Thats when you think about the world of images. Here, how do you think the behavior of ukraine in this area, and especially the statements that this is normal. Here, destroy, and the crimean bridge with passenger cars located there. Does this cause you some kind of indignation, or are we already we saw so many things that there is nothing to be indignant at. No, well, indignation naturally causes. Well, i am outraged, as a russian citizen. Naturally, it is clear that if there were no Russian Federation for passengers on the passenger bridge, it depends on how i would be served. By the way, it depends on how i would like it served. Explain this very important thing. It is very important in this sense , i would say, if we talk about images, well , i must say zelensky, of course, is not a great artist, definitely, but still he is related to this area. And i think that what is being done is to a large extent his notion in general, in my opinion. Its even, but ill tell you. Look, they re hitting. These are symbols, remember, a blow to the kremlin. This is symbolic. It doesnt make any military sense, but its symbolic. It works to strike the crimean bridge to the crimean also as a symbol whenever they strike it, if it is a strike , it turns out, even though clear it is successful, of course, hmm it still somehow works, firstly, it gives a feeling some well, lets say a mass audience. Yes, what is the armed force of russia is not capable of. As they say protect arises e, there is a mass of insinuations, but that humanitarian part, about which you are right, speak that, since all the information. In general, it is in the hands of the press, which is on the side of zelensky , that is, the western press. We understand that this is very powerful in general. Ah, the industry. They are already interpreting it in the way they want, but this, well, this, of course, this also causes some certain anxiety in russian environment of course. But, well, when you see, when you see, the burning crimean bridge, which has long become a symbol for us, in general, that we were able to build it. This is generally the pride of russia is really an outstanding achievement. And when you see this picture . In general, this has a very strong effect, frankly speaking, it gets on the nerves of very many russian citizens, therefore, in this sense, it must be said that they understand where to hit, they understand where to hit, and i will say the opposite, we are from our side. So far we havent found it. Here is a similar answer. In the meaning of the image. Here, in the sense of images, we do not find the answer. Now they are aiming at the building of the ministry of defense. By the way, also very seriously in this respect. Yes, this is it, that is, we understand that, and, probably, the blows are already successful. There is a military infrastructure, but these are the images that they are for an ordinary person. They are not so convincing, that is, they are probably in a military sense convincing, but i repeat that this is war, it really is such a new psychological impact. Well, psychologically, of course. I think its pretty serious and thats why so i personally can my conviction that it is personal. Zelensky is worth it because this show is a show. This is what they do. This show is what he was doing and i must say he understands this, so you understand, it seems to me that this is a known limit, because i dont know if you agree, it seems to me that this is a doubleedged sword, uh alexander what karen says its serious, i dont doubt it and i hear a lot about it from the telegraph and telegram channels. But i also hear something else, that when they look at you mentioned, burning crimean bridge, especially burned. Its kind of short lived and the messages are already there , uh, mostly restored. It seemed to me that this also makes people feel that this action is not against the russian authorities, but against them, and if you say that this is zelenskys idea, it means, and it seems to me that many people begin to feel that zelensky is doing things that are openly directed. Well, against the ordinary people of russia and against the ordinary people of the crimea, or i misunderstand the situation alexander i think its short here. In short, we are absolutely right. We are in a symbol war and our enemy is using these symbols extremely effectively. And what youre talking about, what youre talking about in the meter, its more hmm, as it were, the reaction of our people. And why do we even think that, and ukraines strike on the crimean bridge will somehow change our attitude towards the enemy, we really are so right, but because we just have the fact of introducing war , including, among other things, a symbolic representation, and in the absolutely antihuman essence of the ukrainian regime, not completely so deep. We live as it should in our society, but half a war, and therefore for us any cruelty, any sadism, any crime, any act of the kiev regime, including uav attacks on crimea. From whom the bridge strikes on moscow, but some do not think how they could, what they are doing. These are peaceful people. In fact, there are no peaceful people for our enemy, such a demonized image of russia no longer exists for them, we are an absolute enemy and are now being cultivated in the west, and the same image that you cant negotiate with him, dont spare, dont representing not protecting civil rights. It simply does not make sense to demonize russia at the other end, it is here on the other side of the front, it has objectively reached such a degree that for them these nuances of killing a russian soldier love a russian child. It doesnt matter to them at all. We are just a civilization of the devil to them. This is not their war. And as they would like to partly present against putin against the russian authorities against the russian elite, this is much less selective. Its a fight against. Russian people russian people russian civilization russian statehood of russian citizens russian children of russian old people and more and more ukrainian politicians, responsible figures, do not hesitate to talk about the need to destroy the russians in the west more and more. If this started, maybe, how to stop putin , change the regime, strike a blow with sanctions on the elite, gradually seeing that our people are rallying and rallying around our leadership. They talk, but look, it means that this is their free choice, and accordingly, they are accomplices crimes of invasion, as they say in ukraine and so on there is a war against us. We cannot believe this. We see that we are kind and good. We are trying our best. We do not inflict such brutal retaliatory actions against what is being done to us and this is the difference, but the differences with understanding. Fixibolic universes that collide in ukraine, in my opinion, it is really fully comprehended, justified and effective from the other side. But we are lagging behind in this war of symbols, so it seems to me. What, of course, we make a lot of efforts on television to show the true essence of the Nazi Ukrainian regime, but many do not believe. For this, sometimes our propaganda is too straightforward, and moreover, now it seems that the people themselves who organize this propaganda from our side themselves. They do not particularly believe not in victory or in the criminal nature of our enemy and they are waiting, but only for the moment when it would be possible to finally start peace negotiations, but in fact we are still, despite the successes. And i agree with you Ruslan Pukhov. Which of course now we are, perhaps, well, in good in good. We repulse a very serious and really terrible attack of our enemy, but nevertheless, in order to rise to the next level, but the level of the offensive to take decisive steps towards victory, we are in the mood in our society. Here is the symbolic style of understanding both oneself and the enemy and the west. Of course , it is necessary to transfer it to a more intensive level, and here is the war of symbols. I think it needs to be included. We do often think that it is enough to tell the truth. And this one, uh, mirlg, will collapse, thats right, but in fact it is necessary to betray, to tell the truth, a symbolic character. You have to approach like artists. Here Karen Georgievich is absolutely right and his assessment. Here is an assessment of even the enemy, that you should not underestimate him, you should not consider him a jester who lies, but in fact he is doing poorly in we live in a postmodern world, where a symbol is everything, where the sign is short. Short stories short narratives if today he e zelensky receives its dividends from this actually microscopic piled point of view of the event, like a strike, there are drones on moscow, in fact, in the postmodern world this counts, he wins back some of his own companies. We need to delve into this war of symbols to understand who we are dealing with to understand our adversary in depth, as the operation of this psychology. And, of course, strive for our own achievements. Real achievements. Similarly, all symbolic series are about the form. Thank you rodnik granyan by professor mmo my great friend, thats why i let me ask you a provocative question. Please, uh, i was a little unprepared for what karen and alexander had to say, and uh , the levels of seriousness of concern about how these ukrainian attacks are perceived in Russian Society and more specifically the russian impression that is part of the Russian Foreign political elite. E, as alexander used to say, in general, she is still sitting on the fence. Uh, why dont they openly challenge the authorities . But they do not have the feeling that this is a war for the very best. Eh, what even it doesnt matter how it started, and it doesnt even matter. Have the most optimal decisions always been made, because they are never made in war, there is no war, and even napoleon, i am sure, admitted that not all decisions that were made by especially his markals were ideal, but, nevertheless. If this is the patriotic war, in general, in the first place, you would expect not only the rallying of the people, but also the iron will of the elite, the feeling that, well, this is really a war for something that has long been an object for the elite, if you want the survival of pride, but also the feeling again, if you want your own mission, if you are worried about this or i am exaggerating, i have a concern, of course i agree with what alexander says. The fact is that even the clients who struck yugoslavia and belgrade. The first goals, which i recall, the radio disabled the ministry of the interior, disabled the ministry of defense and bridges. I was after right after those beats. I was in yugoslavia. I saw it all with my own eyes. It works very well. For those people, but they talked a lot about budanov about the mortgaged and and so on, but where is budanov, the head of military intelligence, the commander of the ukrainian troops, in general, for some reason they are, well, i dont know, i dont have such a special one. Uh, the knowledge that theyre still in their buildings and theyre in charge from here. But even if they do not lead from there, these buildings have a symbolic meaning, so this is important for another moment. Of course, i wanted to say. Dmitry you asked very much. Eh, important question. Indeed, if society is not fully included in this process, i apologize. It seems to me that society is just in mostly included and how Russian Troops fight. This is called speaks for itself and the number of volunteers the number of volunteers. And what about volunteers . Well, definitely not for the money. And what is the name of the perfume factory . This is all there is dmitry i, yes, it is, really. Many fight well, indeed. All the same, all these fears that our opponents tried to inflate are good that putin will be announced as soon as possible. Uh, the mobilization so immediately the people will come out against there, i dont know there will be a collapse. Uh, means the society of elite groups and so on of this everything didnt happen. Quite the opposite, yes, yes, on the contrary, but lets say that such as during the great patriotic war , there is no such total inclusion in society, and indeed. You correctly said that many people are sitting on the fence and they think when this is all over, so that they go and do their usual business. I dont even have to, of course, no one will be surprised, even the example, uh, that leads. Today we will return to it, or rather, we will return, but now im just one small segment where, uh, nexon writes the clintons o what you need in the ninetyfourth year, you need to send. Serious specialists, uh, to ukraine, the postsoviet space, as we talked about it, and then he says, i thought that this was just our problem. He says we have a huge embassy in paris in london and so on. And you simply will not recruit people who would be happy to go where it is necessary for the state for it is necessary for politics. Here we are today, of course i know some moods people understand that uh prospects to go to paris to london to washington and so on. Here, in general, not very big. And of course, that prestigious job, which in general was connected with work in copper trips, abroad and so on, but people thought their lives. They were not built in order to be in africa or any i know in the countries of Southeast Asia and in general in countries. Well, as they used to say of the third world, and here, of course, these moods also exist. Is it possible to reverse this . I think that it is possible, but for this just, tem more success is needed so that people feel, not only purely. Well, not only for the kanashenka to say that something happened, there and so on. He says people felt like they were really going through the motions. In general, progress. Sorry, but i still wanted to finish it, more precisely. Kohl soon i myself understood this topic, but this is more accurate and i suggested it. Uh, what uh, you were just talking about, its these moods its uncertainty about where its all going. This is the prospect of how everything will affect yourself loved ones. Of course a problem, but this is a problem for a very narrow circle, in general. Now, if you are talking about the general population, and im just Public Opinion and what i hear, i see, uh, personally everything, it says that uh. 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Order a tinkov sim card and get free minutes forever tinkoff he is such a one ivanovo morning, smirnov problem, usa very bolton is such a hawk in american politics. Worried that putin may break the resolve of the west, we wanted to buy time to give ukraine a chance to strengthen its military capabilities. Time gain. You are very good for ukraine, ill tell you frankly, or in belgorod you can note here, of course, his frightened voice. Who makes the main decisions on ukraine, i wanted to move us troops further east. Not just a harmful fool. It is the us and eu nazis who froze the reserves of the central bank of russia. Most of all , the western grays are afraid. It is not the ministers who determine the coordinates of the policy, and the real shadow government determines vovan or the collection of selected marriages, antifreeze. Tomorrow on the first and always on one tv. Ru. In addition to the support of the people, in addition to russian sentiment. Elite, of course, a very important factor in how it goes. This is russias war with collective west, a very important factor. This is the role of the most collective west and the role, on the one hand, is very large. And without this role , ukraine could not fight without this role , ukraine would not have weapons, they do not have a military industry, without this role they could not repair ukrainian weapons. But uh, on the other hand, the position of the collective west is that, as it were, but the idea, and we just help the victim of aggression, but we ourselves are not participants in this war, and some countries here in this position, when you can do everything against russia in ukraine and around ukraine and on the other hand, uh, create the impression that they are not responsible for anything. Here is the line. It received, i would say, an extreme expression in the behavior of poland, and especially in the polish idea to create a polish lithuanian ukrainian unit that could move into ukraine. This, of course, planted. And that this will not affect poland itself in any way. To the extent that there are such people in warsaw hopes for them were very strongly answered by president putin, i also want to remind you of how such an aggressive policy ended for poland, and it ended with the National Tragedy of 1939, when poland was thrown by the western allies to devour the German Military machine and actually lost its independence of statehood, which was restored to a large extent thanks to the soviet union and it was thanks to the soviet union, thanks to the position of stalin, that it received more significant land in the west of germany. So. The western territories of presentday poland are stalins gift to the poles, our friends in yours have forgotten about it. We will remind. When putin says we remind karen, it seems to me that he does not mean that he is just going to give more of a History Lesson in all respects, it seems to me that we are talking about reminding not only with words, but with actions, including providing belarus with the deployment of Tactical Nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus, the appearance of wagner units there and clearly unprecedented joint military planning. And moscow and minsk e. What do you think, is it possible to say that, uh, some new stage begins in russias approach to countries that are behind ukraines back and in fact . He manipulates ukraine but they want to avoid responsibility. Your opinion koran well , i would say that this is really a very tough speech of our president , by the way, his joint speech together with alexandra grigorievich. Lukashenka is very tough, but i read it unambiguously, as they say, the thought, if if poland, to some side, will suddenly manifest itself in this situation , nuclear strikes will already be inflicted on this account. Here i am to myself. So i am. It sounded so harsh that it seemed to me that it was possible for the time being to be a monkey. But for the time being, its possible without nuclear ones, well, it seems to me that in this sense, i myself would not go that far. Yes , but, at least at this stage, i think you are absolutely right. What a when putin says will not go unanswered hmm but he means. Lets not lets not lets say that you think alexander seems to me that this is the reaction is not to the threat to create a polishlithuanianukrainian system, it seems to me more widely, you know, as i read this, maybe im uh wrong, but the fact is that the failure of the ukrainian insistence leads to the idea of ​​opening some kind of new front. This new front, which is already ukrainian, of course, the side will not pull, perhaps, and even i heard about such projects in the west, it was polands invasion of belarus, but not on behalf of it and not against russia, but as if on a proxy, as they think ukraine is their proxy on the territory of their proxy invaded russia, as they believe, is also a symmetrical invasion of the territory of belarus that lukashenka sent force, in fact, and apparently, the threat of such an invasion, there really will be at the same time you will say that we are not against russia, we are absolutely not nato, its just like , uh, a border conflict, and this is the first time putin likes your wonderful expression, which really reflects the western approach, just thats what we are doing, and here i am provided. Maybe im not sure, but putin just said your attack on belarus will mean for you. For you, your attack on russia, and if you attack russia, the poles will immediately give a serious answer. Maybe with the help of nuclear weapons, maybe with the help of just a conventional form of weapons, but we are ready for war with poland. Thats the point, poland. If you attack belarus, its not by chance in the presence of an allied state, but they dont Pay Attention to it. Look, for us, this is part of a union state, but for the west, two different countries. And the fact that they are russian proxies of belarus, as they think, does not bother them. Remind putin. Do you already recognize everyone, do you not recognize the union state if poland goes to russia, russia enters the war with poland, point this is very serious , its really just not that there are already red lines, but just a promise to start a war with nato if it does not attack russia but i read it like that on allied russia. Well, there is one more nuance dmitry was gilchich that he was at a meeting with alexandra grigorievich. With lukashenka there it was western ukraine that is generally important. That is, in the sense that some kind of intervention by poland under some pretext, back in western ukraine, this will also cause, so to speak, this is especially accentuated by lukashenka. Well, the president supported it, he sort of changed it, since one of the parts is an attack. On this question we have repeatedly discussed. We then came to the conclusion discussing this issue. Can more of this be done and then we came to the conclusion that then nato should withdraw article 5, because if you dont withdraw article 5, you no longer give yourself at your own peril and the risk of not taking full responsibility for your actions to go on such an adventure , in fact, then it attacks belarus and russia, that is, nato starts a world war. I think that andronik will definitely think more than a thousand times before going under such conditions against russia and belarus, but it seems to me that there is a subtlety here. It is no coincidence that lukashenka spoke about an emerging corps or some kind of polish lithuanian connection. It does not matter. If you wait, you listen to what im saying, this is generally a clever idea. Its like a corps is being formed together with the ukrainians. It seems to be becoming a nonpolish part. It is precisely with such a corps that, uh, an attack on the western one can be made. Here it will be to western belarus, i understand what they are talking about and why alexander says that its not just the polish ukrainian troops who took care of this, as if the army could volunteer, but it seems to me that you all say, it seems to me that you all say the same thing, i even join you, but exactly what they might think . As you said , alexander, that they dont do anything like that and dont intend to, but from the point of view of russia, of course, this is completely different. 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