Historical, as far as i understand, yes, yeah, then ill allow myself, well, just, well, 30 seconds or one minute, a little historical background, dont you mind . Look how our relations began with ukraine, where ukraine came from, the fragmented russian state became easy prey for the empire that chingez khan and his successors once created, came to russia, plundered almost all the cities, ruined them, the southern part , where kiev was, by the way, some other cities, they simply lost independence, the southern part of the russian lands, including kiev, it began to gradually reach out to another magnet, to the center that was taking shape in europe, it was the lithuanian, grand duchy of lithuania, initially the word ukrainian meant that. Lives on the outskirts of the state at the edge or engaged in the border service, in fact, this did not mean any special ethnic group. Well, the poles did everything they could to polish and, in principle, treated this part of the russian lands quite harshly, if not cruelly. All this led to the fact that this part of the russian lands began to fight for their rights and wrote letters to warsaw, demanding that their rights be respected so that they would send people here, including to kiev, when i already lost this, when it was, in what years . Century , it was, it was in the 1314th century, so. In the 13th century, it was in the 13th century, which means ill now say what happened next, ill name the dates so that there is no confusion, in 1654, a little previously, even the people who controlled power in this part of the russian lands turned to warsaw, i repeat, with the demand that people of russian origin and orthodox faith be sent to them. When warsaw, in principle, did not answer them and practically rejected these demands, they began to turn to moscow so that moscow would take them for itself, russia did not agree to accept them right away, because it proceeded from the fact that a war with poland would begin, thats all. After all, in 100 e 640 54, the zemsky sobor was a representative of the authority of the ancient russian state, the decision was made, this part ancient russian lands became part of. Went to russia, the entire right bank of the dnieper remained with poland, and then during the time of catherine ii, russia returned all its historical lands. Including the south, the west, this all continued before the revolution, after the revolution of 1917, the bolsheviks tried to restore statehood, a civil war broke out, including with poland, peace was signed with poland in 1921, according to which the western part is on the right bank the dnieper again went to poland. In 1939 after poland collaborated with hitler, and poland collaborated with hitler, and hitler offered everything in the documents we have in the archives, he offered to conclude peace with poland, a treaty of friendship and alliance, but demanded that poland give back the so called germany. And you say, one can ask that parts of ukraine have actually been russian lands for hundreds of years, why then, when you became president , you just didnt take them 24 years ago, you had weapons there, i dont know why you took so long then weve been waiting, ill tell you now, im finishing the historical certificate, it may be boring now, but it explains a lot, it is not boring, but then i am very pleased that you appreciated it so much, thank you very much. So, when poland collaborated with germany, it refused to comply with hitlers demands, but nevertheless participated with hitler in the division of czechoslovakia. But, since she didnt give up the dantsevsky corridor, they still forced her, the poles forced her, they played too hard and forced hitler to start the Second World War, precisely with them. Why did the war begin on september 1 , 1939, specifically with poland . She turned out to be intractable. Hitler had no choice. When implementing his plans to start with poland, by the way, and the soviet union behaved, i read archival documents, behaved very honestly, and the soviet union asked for permission from poland to send its troops to the aid of czechoslovakia, but through the mouth of the then minister of Foreign Affairs of poland it was said that even if soviet planes fly towards czechoslovakia through the territory of poland, they will shoot down. In the great patriotic war, as we say, this is the Second World War, all these the territories were finally assigned to russia, to the soviet union, and poland , as compensation, it must be assumed, received the western and original german territories, the eastern part of germany, part of the lands, these are the western, western regions of poland today, and of course, i again returned the exit. At the same time, stalin insisted that these republics that were formed should be included as autonomous entities, but for some reason the founder of the soviet state, lenin insisted that they have the right to secede from the soviet union, and also, for unknown reasons, endowed the emerging soviet ukraine with lands that were given to the people who lived in these territories, even if they had never been named before. Ukraine, for some reason, during its formation, all this was merged into the ukrainian ussr, including everything at the black sea, which was received during the time of catherine ii. Why didnt you talk about this for the first 22 years of your presidency . So, this means that soviet ukraine received a huge number of territories that never came to it at all had no relation, first of all, under chernomod, they once, when russia received them as a result of the russianturkish wars, were called novorusiya, so, but this does not matter, the important thing is that. Lenin, the founder of the soviet state, created ukraine is exactly like this. This means that all this, over the course of many decades within the ussr, the ukrainian ussr developed, and the bolsheviks, too, for unknown reasons, were engaged in ukrainization there, well, not only because there were immigrants from ukraine in the leadership of the soviet union, but in general, there was such a policy, indigenization, indigenization, it was called, this applied to ukraine and other union republics. The time of stalins reign is called the stalinist regime, everyone says that there were many violations of human rights, violations of the rights of other states, then in this sense, of course, it is quite possible, well, if not to say that they have the right to return it these lands are theirs, then in any case it is clear, they told orban, they told orban about this, that he can return. Part of the lands of ukraine, never said, never, not once, with us there werent even any conversations with him about this, but i know for sure that of course, the hungarians who live there, of course they want to return to their historical homeland, moreover, ill tell you a very interesting story now, ill digress, but this is a personal story , i mean, somewhere in the early eighties , men in threepiece suits in black suits, three in top hats in black, are sitting in a car from. Houses, i say are these some kind of artists . They tell me no, these are not any artillery, these are hungarians, i say, what did they do here . Like what . This is their land, they live here, all the names, in soviet times, the eighties, they kept, they keep. I suspect that from several components , there were several reasons, to think that everything would be fine, first, well, firstly, i think that the russian leadership proceeded from the fact that the fundamental foundations of relations between russia and ukraine, in fact a common language, are there 90 spoke russian too much, which means there are family ties, everyone there, everyone has like. Some kind of family ties, one way or another, friendly ties , a common culture, a common history, finally, a common religion, all these are such fundamental things, common existence within a single state for centuries, all these are such fundamental things, the economy is very strongly interconnected, which means it all lies at the heart of the inevitability of our good relations, first, second very important, i want you as american citizens and that your listeners, viewers about. To cooperation and alliance, thats what russia expected from both the United States and the socalled collective west as a whole , there were smart people, including in germany, egan bahr was such a Major Political figure in the social democratic party, who insisted, personally in conversations with the soviet leadership, before the collapse of the soviet union, said that it was necessary to create new security system. Ran, before that yeltsin went to the usa, remember, he spoke in congress and said wonderful words, america, yes, he said all this, these were signals, well, let us in, no, when the events began in yugoslavia, immediately before this yelitsin was praised, praised as soon as the events in yugoslavia began, when he raised his voice for the serbs, and we could not help but raise our voices for the serbs in their defense, i understand, we were there. Yeltsin expressed support for what the United States did, in violation of International Law, the un charter, and began the bombing of belgrade. The United States let this genie out of the bottle, moreover, when. Russia objected and expressed its indignation, which was said, the un charter and International Law are outdated, now everyone refers to International Law, but then they began to say that everything is outdated, everything needs to be changed, something really needs to be changed, because the balance of power has changed, this is true, but not in that way, but nevertheless, yes, by the way, they immediately started throwing mud at yeltsen, pointing out that he was an alcoholic, didnt understand anything, didnt make sense. In the next room, i told him, asked a question listen, bill, what do you think if russia raised the question about joining nato, do you think this is possible . Suddenly he said you know, this is interesting, i think so, but in the evening, when we met with him, already for dinner, he says you know, i talked to my people, from my team, no, no, this, this is now , its impossible, you can ask him. why did we receive such a negative answer , you ask your leaders, i cant speak for them, i can only guess why the country is too big with its own opinion and so on, and the United States, well, i saw how they decide questions in nato, ill give you another example now, regarding ukraine, the us leadership insisted that all nato members vote obediently, even if they have something to do with it. I dont like it, now ill tell you in this regard what happened with ukraine in 2008, although this is being discussed, i wont tell you anything new here, nevertheless, it means that then after that we tried. To build relations in different ways , well, for example, events took place in the middle east, in iraq, which means that we very softly, calmly built relations with the states, and i repeatedly raised the question that the United States should not support neither separatism nor terrorism in the north caucasus, but they continued to do it anyway, political support, information support, financial support. Support, even military support came from the United States of its satellites in relation to terrorist groups in the caucasus, i once with my colleague, also the president of the United States, i understood this question, he says, but it cant be, you have proof, i say yes, i was ready for this conversation, and i gave him this proof, he looked, you know what he said, but im sorry, yes, but so it was, ill quote, he said, well, i ll kick their ass. Funny, okay, we understood that there would be no conversation, the opposition, the opposition to you, well, of course, in this case we meant the separatists, the terrorists who fought with us in the caucasus, thats what we were talking about, they call them, they called them, that means the opposition , this is the second point, the third point, very important, very important, this is. At the time of the creation of the system about the usa, the beginning, and we tried for a long time not to do this in the United States. Moreover, after i was invited to the father, bush the youngest, bush sr. , invited him to visit him on the ocean, and there a very serious conversation took place with president bush, with his team, and i suggested that. The usa, russia and europe jointly created a system about which, as we we believe that what is being created unilaterally threatens our security, despite the fact that the United States officially said that it was being created against missile threats from iran, which also justified the creation of the tr. I suggested that the three of them work russia, usa, europe. Create shock systems that will certainly overcome the pro system. Says the answer was this we are not doing it against you, but you are doing what you want, we proceed from the fact that it is not against us, not against the United States. Its funny, like in a kindergarten, its just, where are the guarantees, just, what kind of kindergarten is this, what kind of people are they, who are they, you see them or clicked on them, they wont agree, and then they say well, ukraine isnt will be in nato, you know, i say, i dont know, i know that you agreed in 2008, but why not in the future agree, well then they put pressure on us, i say, why dont i put pressure on you tomorrow, and you will agree again, well, some kind of nonsense, with whom . I just dont understand you, we are ready to talk, well, with whom, where are the guarantees, no, that means they began to develop the territory of ukraine, so that it wouldnt be there, i told you the background, how this territory developed, what kind of relations there were with russia, well there , every second or third had some kind of connection with russia, always had, and during the elections already in independent, sovereign ukraine, which gained independence as a result of the declaration of the southeast of ukraine, this is a large number of people, and it was very difficult to kill this electorate that had a positive attitude towards russia, which means that Viktor Yanukovych came to power , and how, the first time he won after president kuchma, they organized the third a tour that is not provided for in the constitution of ukraine, this is a coup detat, imagine, for someone . Didnt like it in the usa, well , there was a dispute between in 2014, no, before, no, no, this happened before, that means after president kuchima, that means he won the elections yanukovych, Viktor Yanukovych, but his opponents did not recognize this victory, the United States supported the opposition and appointed a third round, what is this, this is a coup. In the usa they supported him, he came to power as a result of the third round, imagine that in the usa , someone didnt like something, they organized a third round, which is not provided for in the constitution, but nevertheless they did it there, okay, he came to power viktor yushchenko, who was considered a prowestern politician, good, but we established relations with him, he went to moscow on visits, we went to kiev and i went, met in an informal setting. A free trade zone, open customs borders, and ukraine, by this association, had to open its borders to europe with a flow of everything to our market, we said, if not then it wont work out, then we will close our borders with ukraine, customs borders, yanukovych began to count, how much ukraine will gain, how much it will lose, i declared my counterparty in europe, i have to think again before signing, as soon as he said, there was one enterprise there that produced components for the final assembly in russia and ukraine , on the contrary, there were very close ties , so they carried out a coup detat, although we, because of the United States, i wont go into detail now, which i consider incorrect, but still it was said that you will calm down yanukovych there , and we will calm the opposition, let everything go the way, the way. Political settlement, we said, okay, we agree, lets do this. Edinokovich did not use, as the americans asked us, either the armed forces or the police, and the armed opposition in kiev carried out a coup. What does it mean . Who are you anyway . I wanted to ask the then leadership of the United States . Supported by. The cia, of course, is an organization in which, as i understand, you once wanted to work, maybe, thank god, they didnt hire you, although this is a serious organization, i understand, my former colleagues, in the sense that i worked in the first main directorate, this is the intelligence of the soviet union, they have always been our opponents, well, work is work, but technically they did everything right. Achieved what they wanted, changed power, but from a political point of view in terms of perspective, this is a colossal mistake, and here, of course, the Political Leadership did not complete the work; they should, the Political Leadership should have seen what this would lead to. So, in 2008, the doors were opened ukraine to nato, in 2014 they carried out a coup detat, and those who did not recognize the coup detat, and this is a coup detat, began to be persecuted. Coup in ukraine, by the way, representatives of three european countries, germany, poland and france, came and were guarantors of the signed agreement between the yanukovych government, between yanukovych and the opposition, signed theirs, put their signatures as a guarantor, despite this, the opposition carried out a coup detat, all these countries pretended that they did not remember anything about the fact that they were the guarantors of a peaceful settlement, they immediately threw it into the oven, no one remembers. I dont know if the us knows anything about this agreement between the opposition and the government and about the guarantors, three guarantors, who instead of returning everything all the whole. For a decade, dont do this, dont do that, and then what to do as a trigger in in recent events, well, first of all, todays leadership of ukraine has stated that it will not implement the minsk agreements , which were signed, as you know, after the 2014 event in minsk, where a plan for a peaceful settlement in donbass was outlined, no, the leadership of today. The Ukrainian Foreign minister is all there the rest of the officials, and then the president himself , stated that they did not like anything in these minsk agreements, in other words , they were not going to implement them, and the former leaders of germany and france directly said that they signed, already today, there a year a year and a half ago, they directly said honestly to the whole world that yes, they signed this minsk agreement, but they were never going to implement it easily. Frankly speaking, i didnt know how we would do it, but i was ready to carry it out, they are difficult for ukraine, there are a lot of elements of independence for donbass, it was provided for these territories, this is true, but i was absolutely sure, and i am now ill tell you, i sincerely believed that if it was still possible to persuade those people who live in donbass, they still needed to be persuaded. Germany. I say , well, how do you imagine how they will sign an agreement with uh with a pistol pointed to their head to their temple, we need to withdraw the troops from minsk, okay, we withdrew the troops from minsk as soon as we are from, excuse me, from kiev, as soon as we withdrew our troops from kiev and immediately our ukrainian negotiators, threw into the trash all our agreements reached in istanbul and prepared for a long armed confrontation. And ukraine began to look, as some analysts in the west say, for its identity and couldnt come up with anything better than to put the cornerstone of this identity on such false heroes who collaborated with hitler. I have already said that at the beginning of the 19th century. When theorists of the independence of ukraines sovereignty appeared, they proceeded from the fact that ukraine, independent, should have very kind and good relations with russia, but due to historical development, due to the fact that at when these territories were part of the polish lithuanian commonwealth , poland, ukrainians were quite brutally persecuted, confiscated, tried destroy this identity. And the german troops, even the ss troops, they gave the dirtiest work of exterminating the polish population, the jewish population, to the collaborators who collaborated with hitler, hence this brutal massacre of the polish, jewish population, and the russian population too, they were in charge persons who are well known, these are the people who were made national heroes, thats the problem, we are always told well , nationalism, nationalism and neonazism exist in other countries, yes there are some, but we have them we are crushing them, and in other countries they are being crushed, in ukraine they are not, in ukraine they have been made into national heroes, monuments are erected to them, and. In the Canadian Parliament of a man who, as the speaker of parliament said, fought during the Second World War against the russians, but who during the Second World War fought against the russians, hitler, and his minions, it turned out that this man served in the ss troops, he personally killed russians, poles, and jews, the ss troops, formed from ukrainian nationalists, they did. And there is nothing humiliating for ukraine here, as for a modern civilized state, is it really allowed for some state to propagate nazis, well, no , really, thats all, will there be negotiations, why have there been no such negotiations regarding the settlement of the conflict in ukraine so far , peace negotiations, they were, they were , they yes, but you wont talk to the ukrainian president , you will talk to the american president , when was the last time you talked to joe biden. Well, i dont remember when i talked to him, i dont remember, you can look there, you dont remember, no, but that i have to remember everything, that i have a lot of my own affairs, we have internal political affairs, yes, but he is financing the war that you are waging, well, yes, he is financing, but when i talked to him. This was before the start of a special military operation, naturally, and by the way, i told him then, i wont go into detail , i never do this, but i told them then, i believe that you are making a huge mistake of historical proportions by supporting everything that is happening there in ukraine, pushing russia away, i told him, i said this more than once, by the way, here i think it would be correct, i ll leave it at that, but what did he say, is it possible . You ask him, please, its easy for you, you are a citizen of the United States, go and ask, its inappropriate for me to comment on our conversations. Missile defense system, clearly , yes, you can ask everyone, they are all, thank god, alive and well, and that means. We talked to him, i understand this perfectly, but from the outside, for an external observer, maybe it seems that all this can degenerate into a situation where the whole world will be on the brink of war, maybe there will even be nuclear strikes, why dont you call biden and say, lets somehow solve this issue . What do you decide . Everything is very, everything is very simple, here . I repeat, there are contacts between various departments there, and i will tell you what we are talking about in this regard, and what we are conveying to the us leadership, if you really want to stop hostilities, you need to stop the supply of weapons, everything will end within a few weeks, thats all, and then you can agree on some conditions, before doing something and stopping, whats easier, why should i call him, what should i talk about . To poland or latvia . Can you imagine a scenario where you send Russian Troops to poland . Only in one case, if there is an attack on russia by poland. Why . Because we have no interests either in poland or in latvia, anywhere. Why do we need this . We simply have no interests, only threats. The argument, i think you well know, is. One of the senior senators, chakshumer, i think said yesterday, we need to keep funding ukraine, or well end up with american soldiers having to fight in ukraine, instead of ukraine, what do you think . This is a provocation, and a cheap provocation at that, i dont understand why american soldiers should fight in ukraine, there are mercenaries from the United States there. Most of the mercenaries are from poland, in second place are mercenaries from the usa, in third place are from georgia. Well, if anyone would like to send regular troops, this will, of course, put humanity on the brink of a very serious global conflict, this is obvious. Does the United States need this . You worked in germany, this is well known, and the germans clearly understand that their nato partners did this, of course, this dealt a blow to the german economy, why then are the germans silent, this confuses me, why the germans did not say anything about this question . Well, this also surprises me, it also surprises me, but todays german leadership is not, is not guided by national interests, but is guided by. Interests of the collective west, otherwise it is difficult to explain the logic of their actions or inaction, because its not just about nord stream 2 , which blew up, nord stream 1, which blew up, nord stream 2 was damaged, but one pipe is alive, healthy, and can be supplied gas to europe, but germany is not opening it, we are ready, please, there is another route through poland and europe. The United States in terms of volume of Financial Assistance to ukraine is germany. Through the territories of ukraine two gas routes pass. They took one route and simply closed it. Will be stable, sustainable and predictable, and as long as the head is divided into two parts, this is a disease, this is a serious illness, a serious illness, the world is going through this period of serious illness, but it seems to me that thanks, among other things, to honest journalism , they work like doctors, maybe it will be possible to somehow connect it all. Well, let me give you one example the american dollar has united the whole world in many ways, and do you think the dollar will disappear . As a reserve currency, how have sanctions changed the place of dollars in the world . You know, this is the grossest, one of the grossest strategic mistakes of the Political Leadership of the United States, the use of the dollar as a. Instruments of Foreign Policy struggle. The dollar is the basis of the power of the United States. I think everyone understands this perfectly. No matter how many dollars are printed, they fly all over the world. Inflation in the usa is, well, minimal, i think, 3 , about 3. 4, or something, absolutely acceptable for the usa. Such restrictive measures as limiting payments, freezing holdings and so on , this is a huge alarm and a signal for the whole world, thats what was happening here, we had approximately 80 of payments in russias Foreign Trade before the twentysecond year, we were 80 of payments in russias Foreign Trade in dollars in euros, while there were about 50 dollars. The United States decided to limit our payments in dollars, which i think is complete nonsense, you know, from the point of view of the interests of the United States itself, taxpayers. States because it hits economy of the United States, undermines the power of the United States in the world, now we have it means that payments in payments in yuan were by the way 3 , approximately now 34 we pay in rubles and about the same 34 with a little in yuan, why did the United States do this, i i can only explain it by arrogance, they probably thought that everything would collapse, but nothing collapsed, moreover, look, other countries. What is the dollar for the usa . Are you killing him yourself . I think thats a really fair assessment. Next question maybe you exchanged one colonial power for another , but more benign, but maybe brix today is in danger that a kinder colonial power, china, will dominate there, is this good for sovereignty, do you think this worries you . These Horror Stories are well known to us , this is a horror story, we are neighbors with china , we dont choose neighbors, as well as close relatives , we have a common border of thousands of kilometers, this is the first, second, we are accustomed to coexistence for centuries, in third, chinas Foreign Policy philosophy, it is not aggressive, it is always looking for. Chinas Foreign Policy thought is always looking for a compromise and we see this, this is not our next point, we are told all the time, and now we will try to present this horror story in a soft way form, but nevertheless the same horror story, but the volume of cooperation with china is growing, growing, the growth rate of cooperation between china and europe is greater and higher than the growth rate of cooperation with china and russia. Federation, ask the europeans, they are not afraid, maybe they are afraid, i dont know, but they are trying to get into the Chinese Market so that this does not happen, especially when they are now facing problems in the economy, and Chinese Enterprises are developing the european market, and is there really not enough Chinese Business in the usa, and political the solutions are such that they. Are trying to limit cooperation with china, to their own detriment, you do it to your own detriment, by limiting cooperation with china, you are harming yourself, this is a delicate area, and there are no simple Linear Solutions here, just like with dollar, so before you enter some kind of illegitimate sanctions, illegitimate from the point of view of the charter of the united nations, we need to think carefully, in my opinion, those who make the decision have problems with this. Wants to establish connections, or it doesnt matter, ill say now, but to finish the previous question, we have 200 billion dollars, we set a goal with my colleague, friend, with chairman sidinpin, that last year we were even supposed to achieve this year 200 billion dollars in trade turnover with china, and we have exceeded this level, according to ours, according to ours according to data, its already 200, theres 30 billion, according to chinese, according to chinese statistics, 200. 40 billion dollars, if you count everything in dollars, we have trade turnover with china, a very important thing, we have a balanced trade turnover, and it complements each other friend in the hightech sector, in the Energy Sector and in the field of scientific development, he is very balanced, but as for brix in general, russia has become the chairman of the prix this year, and then the brix country is developing at a very fast pace, look, god bless the memory not to be mistaken, but. In the ninetysecond year, in my opinion, the share of the seven countries in the World Economy was, well, 47 , so that was in the ninetysecond year, in 2022 it fell somewhere to, in my opinion, a little over thirty, the share of brics countries in 1992 was only 16 . Now it exceeds the level of seven, and this is not connected with any events in ukraine, the trends in the development of the world and the Global Economy are as they are, which i just spoke about, and this is inevitable, this will continue to happen as the sun rises, it is impossible to prevent, we must adapt to this, just as the United States adapts with the help of force, sanctions, pressure, bombing. Enough he also made a lot of mistakes, i told you about 2008 and the decision in bucharest to open the doors to nato, ukraine there and so on, but this happened under him, he put pressure there on on on the europeans, but but in in general , i had a very kind, Good Relationship with him on a human level, he is no worse than any other american or russian or even european politician, i assure you, he understood everything that he was even doing. Like others, i had such a real relationship with trump, its not about the personality of the leader, its about the mood of the elites, if the idea of ​​domination at any cost, and with the help of forceful actions, prevails in american society, then nothing will change, it will only get worse, and if in the end the realization comes that the world is changing due to objective circumstances and one must be able to adapt to them. In time, using the advantages that the United States still retains today, then probably something can change, and look, chinas economy has become the first economy in the world in terms of purchasing power parity in volume, it overtook the United States a long time ago, then the United States, so, and then india, one and a half billion people, then japan, in fifth place, russia, russia. Over the past year it became the first economy in europe, despite all the sanctions and restrictions, this is normal, from your point of view, sanctions, restrictions, the impossibility of paying in dollars, disconnection from swift, which means sanctions against our ships transporting oil, sanctions against airplanes, sanctions on everything, everywhere, the largest number of sanctions in the world that are applied are applied against russia, and we have become the first economy in europe. During this time, the tools that the United States uses do not work, but we need to think about what to do, if this realization comes to the ruling ones, then yes, then the first person of the state will act in anticipation of what voters expect from him and people who make decisions at various levels. Its not easy to figure out who is taking it decision in the elections, is it really possible to understand this when each state has its own legislation. The state regulates itself, someone can be excluded from elections at the state level, yes, that means there are two stages, it s an election system, its very difficult to figure it out, and of course, there are there are two parties in which, which are dominant, the republicans and democrats, and there within the framework of this party system, central decisionmakers, preparing decisions, then look, thats why into the relations of russia after the collapse of the soviet the unions were, in my opinion, such an erroneous, rude, completely unfounded policy, pressure was carried out, because this is a policy of pressure, expansion of nato, support for separatists in the caucasus, creation of an anticancer defense system, these are all elements of pressure pressure pressure pressure then dragging into nato pressure i think also because there were specialists in the soviet union, who could not do anything else, it seemed to them that they were convincing the Political Leadership that they must continue to hammer russia, try to completely collapse it, which means creating a this territory has several quasistate formations , subjugate them in a divided form, use their combined potential to fight for. The future fight with china, this is a mistake, including, it is associated with the excess potential of those who worked in the confrontation with the soviet union , we need to get rid of this, there must be new fresh forces, people who look into the future and understand what is happening in the world. Heres indonesia, look how its developing, 600 million people, thats where to go, where to get away from it, nowhere, you just need to. From the fact that indonesia enters, it is already included in the club of the leading economies of the world, no matter how it is, whether someone likes it or not, yes, we understand, we are aware of the fact that in the United States, despite all the problems are economic, after all , the situation in the states is normal, and the growth of a decent economy there is, in my opinion, 2 percent of gdp growing, which means, but, but if we ensure the future, right . Then you need to change your approach to what is changing, as i already said, the world will change anyway, regardless of how it ends events in ukraine, the world is changing, and you need to understand this, well, in the states themselves, experts write that the states are gradually changing their position in the world, your experts themselves write, i simply read them, the only question is how this will happen, its painful , quickly or gently gradually. And this is written by people who are not antiamerican, they just look at Development Trends in the world, thats all, and in order to evaluate them and change policies, we need, we need people who think, look forward, can analyze and recommend some decisions to the level of Political Leadership. Repeatedly, repeatedly, they offered to find a solution to the problems that arose in ukraine after the 2014 coup detat, through peaceful means, but no one listened to us, moreover, the ukrainian leadership, which was under the complete control of the United States, suddenly announced that it would not implement the minsk agreements, they dont like anything there, continued military activity in this territory. And in parallel , the development of this territory by nato military structures was going on, well, under the guise of various various centers for training and retraining of personnel, they essentially began to create bases there, thats all, but in ukraine they announced that the russians were, they passed the law, not a titular nation, and at the same time they adopted laws that limit the rights of nontitular nations in ukraine. Ukraine, having received all these south, southeastern territories as a gift from the russian people, suddenly announced that the russians in this territory are not the titular nation. I dont, i dont know the details, of course its difficult for me to judge, but i think that there are, in any case it happened, my father already fought against the fascists with the nazis during the Second World War, i once talked to him about this, i said, volodya, what are you doing, why are you supporting neonazis in ukraine today, when your father fought with fascism , he is a frontline soldier, i wont say what he answered, this is a separate topic, i think its incorrect, but, but as for. Freedom of choice, why not, he came to power on the expectations of the ukrainian population that he will lead ukraine to peace, he spoke about this, he won the elections due to this with a huge advantage, and then, when i came to power, in my opinion, i realized two things firstly, its better not to quarrel with neonazi nationalists, because they are aggressive, very active, you can expect anything from them , and secondly the west, led by the United States, supports them and will always support those who fight russia, it is profitable and safe. So he took the appropriate position, despite promising his people to end the war in ukraine, he deceived his voters. Do you think that now, february is twenty . What year does he have . The United States, all of europe and practically the entire rest of the world, and why not, he can, we negotiated with ukraine in istanbul. We agreed, he knew about it. Moreover, the head of the Negotiation Group , mr. Arakhamia, i think, is his last name, he still heads the faction, uh, of the ruling party, the ruling party, the party of the president in the rada, he still heads the faction of the president in the rada. Said, they agreed with this proposal, well , look, his statement was published, he said this publicly, whether they can return to this or not, that is, it is a question of whether they want it or not, and after that, mr. President of ukraine issued a decree prohibiting negotiations with us, well, let him cancel this decree, we didnt refuse never from negotiations, we hear all the time, russia is ready, ready, but we didnt refuse, they publicly refused. Publicly refused, well, let him, change his decree, enter into negotiations, we never refused, but that they submitted to the request or persuasion of their ex british Prime Minister mr. Johnson, well, it seems to me that this is very absurd, well, how can i say, sad, because, as mr. Arakhami said, we could have stopped this hostilities, stopped this war a year and a half ago, but. And from a small mind, from a pure heart, but not from a big mind. In the eighth year, prince vladimir baptized, he himself was baptized following the example of his grandmother, princess olga, and then he baptized his squad, and then gradually over the course of several years he baptized all of russia. It was a long process, from pagans from pagans, christians, froze for many years, but ultimately this orthodoxy, eastern christianity, it was deeply rooted in the consciousness of the russian people when. Russia expanded , absorbed other peoples, and those who profess islam, buddhism and judaism, russia has always been very loyal to those people who profess other religions, this is its strength, this is absolutely unambiguous, and the fact is that in all the world religions, which i just said, which are traditional religions. Russian the federation of russia is essentially the main theses , the main values, they are very similar, if not to say they are the same , thats all, and the russian authorities have always been very careful about the culture and religion of those peoples who came into the russian empire, this in my opinion, forms the basis of both the security and stability of russian statehood. Because all the peoples inhabiting russia basically consider it their homeland, so if , for example, people from latin america come to you they move, yes, or to europe, an even clearer, understandable example, people come, but they came from their historical homeland to you, or to european countries, and they consider people who profess different religions in russia to be russia. Religion in general, it is, you know, after all, it is not , not in external manifestations, not in going to Church Every Day and or hitting your head on the floor, it is in the heart, and we are like that, we have such a humanoriented culture, and, here is dostoevsky, who is very famous in the west as a genius of russian culture, russian literature. I talked a lot about this, about the russian soul, but after all, western society is more pragmatic, the russian person, the russian person, he thinks more about the eternal, he thinks more about values, moral, ethical, i dont know, maybe youre with me you wont agree, but still western culture, it is still more pragmatic, and this is in principle, im not saying that this is bad, it gives the opportunity to todays. To develop according to their own internal laws, this is what they are yes, it wont get you anywhere go away, and this has always been the case in the history of mankind, some peoples and countries rose, multiplied, strengthened, then they left the International Arena in the capacity to which they were accustomed, i probably dont need to give these examples, but starting from the same. Threats, research in the field of genetics that can create a superman, a special person, a warrior person , a scientist person, an athlete person, well , now the usa is saying that mask has already implanted a chip in the brain of some person. Well, mask, i i think that it is impossible to stop musk, which means he will still do what he considers necessary, but something must be done with him. Finishes, we need to look for some ways to convince him, it seems to me that he is an intelligent person, that is, i am sure that he is an intelligent person, we need to somehow agree with him that this is a process, the process needs to be channeled, subordinated somehow rules, humanity, of course, must think about what will happen to it in connection with the development of these new research technologies, in genetics or Artificial Intelligence, it is possible to predict, for example , what will happen, therefore, when humanity felt a threat to its existence from nuclear weapons, everyone, the owners of nuclear weapons, began to agree among themselves, because they understood that their inaccurate use could lead to complete total destruction, thats when there will be an understanding that the unlimited, Uncontrolled Development of Artificial Intelligence or genetics. Or some other modern trends that are impossible to stop, anyway there will be research, just as it was impossible to hide what gunpowder is from humanity and it is impossible to stop research in one area or another, these studies will still happen, but when humanity feels a threat to humanity as a whole, then it seems to me that the period will come to negotiate on an interstate level on how we will regulate this. Would like to release him as a gesture of goodwill so that we can take him to the usa. Weve done so much. With gestures of goodwill that it seems to me that we have exhausted all limits, we no one has ever responded to gestures of goodwill with similar gestures, but we are, in principle , ready to say that we do not exclude, we do not exclude the possibility that we can do this if there is Counter Movement from our. Towards our partners, when i i say partners, i mean, first of all, representatives of special services, they are in contact with each other, they discuss this topic, we have no taboo about not solving this problem, we are ready to solve it, but there are certain conditions that which are discussed from to partner channels between Intelligence Services, it seems to me that we can agree on this, right . Secret information on a conspiratorial basis is called espionage, he worked in the interests of the american Intelligence Services, some other structures, i dont think that he worked for monaco, it is unlikely that monaco is interested in receiving this information, well, this is something that the Intelligence Services must agree among themselves, you know , there are certain developments, there are people there who, in our opinion, are also not connected with the special services. Listen, i ll tell you, hes sitting in one country, in a country ally of the United States, a man who , for patriotic reasons , eliminated a bandit in one of the european capitals during the events in the caucasus, you know what he did, i dont want to say, but nevertheless i will say, he. On the road, and then drove by in a car by their heads, what kind of person is this and is it a person . Well, there was a patriot who liquidated him in one of the european capitals, whether he did it on his own initiative or not, thats another question, well, here he is yes, but Ivan Gershkovich didnt do anything like that, thats a completely different story, different, hes just a journalist, yes, hes not just a journalist, i repeat again, this is a journalist who received secret information on a secret basis, well, yes, this is a completely different story, im just talking about those people who are essentially under the control of the us authorities, no matter where they are in prison, and. There is a dialogue between the special services, this should be decided quietly, calmly, on a professional level, there are contacts, let them work, i. Do not exclude that the person you said about can to be in his homeland, why not , its pointless, more or less keep him in prison in russia, well, let our colleagues of our Intelligence Officers on the american side also think about how to solve the problems that our Intelligence Services face, we are not closed to negotiations, i hope that you will release him , thank you very much, mr. President , i would also like him to leave, i would also like him to go home, in the end, i say this sincerely, well , i repeat, the dialogue is ongoing. The more we give the more publicized things of this kind are, the more difficult it is to solve them. Everything should be calm. But honestly, with the war, i dont know whether it works or not. If you allow me, i will ask one more question. Maybe you dont want to respond for strategic reasons, but are you worried that whats happening in ukraine might lead to something . A year and a half ago, but mr. Johnson came, talked us out of it, and we missed this chance, but we missed it, we made a mistake, let us go back to this, thats all, but why should we fuss and fix it . Someones mistakes, i understand, you can say that its our mistake, that we intensified actions with the help of weapons, we decided to end this war, as i said, started in 2014. But they started negotiations, a mistake, yes, correct it her, were ready, what else . Dont you think that it would be too humiliating for nato to now recognize russias control over what was ukrainian territory 2 years ago, and i said, i said, let them think about how to do it with dignity. We didnt refuse, yes, it would be funny, if it werent so sad, theres this endless mobilization in ukraine, hysteria there, internal problems, well, all this, sooner or later, it doesnt matter. We will agree, thats what you know, which may even sound strange in todays situation, relations between peoples will still be restored, it will take a lot of time, but this is happening, ill give you some unusual examples, here on the battlefield there is a battle, clashes, a specific example. Now just a second, a specific example, ukrainian, ukrainian soldiers were surrounded, this is a specific an example from the life of military operations, our soldiers shout to them there is no chance, surrender, get out , you will be alive, surrender, suddenly from there they shout in russian, good russian, the russians do not surrender, they all died, and not. They still feel russian, in this sense, what is happening is, to a certain extent, an element of civil war, everyone thinks that in the west they think that the fighting has forever pulled one part of the russian people into another, no, reunification will happen, it will not go anywhere do why the ukrainian authorities are taking away. This is the news on the first, hello, in the studio of valery korablev, so, the main topic that is now being discussed all over the world without. Involvement, an interview with Vladimir Putin, american journalist Tucker Carlson. The conversation was just broadcast by channel one, well, a twohour recording appeared on the internet at 2 00 a. M. Moscow time. The excitement is incredible, just look at the statistics of the publication on the social network x, formerly twitter. The video was watched 54 million times in just 6 hours, and that doesnt even include the audience who watched the interview. On the journalists website. This interest is easy to explain, an opportunity. The truth that will break through the streams of lies and information blockade in the west. Report by mikhail okinchenko. The first viewers had not yet had time to watch the interview with Vladimir Putin to the end, when journalist Tucker Carlson posted his own impressions of the conversation on his internet page. The emotions immediately after were recorded in the kremlin. In my hands is the same folder with Historical Documents that was presented by the russian president. Carlson admits that the importance he was not able to immediately appreciate the first part of the conversation. An incredibly detailed excursion into history, starting with the formation of russia in the 2nd century, the unification of tribes into one nation, of which ukraine was a part, this irritated me , listen, i am an american, i am interested in certain things