Amidest the excitement will be discussion about privacy and civil liberties. When you think of the word drone you probably think of surveillance and the military, but as they become more accessible, everyone from farmers to firefighters and Animal Protection advocates will be using them. But the new era of lesscostly surveillance is leading a lot of states to ask how these private drone strikeses should be regulated. Conversation. Yeah, lisa you mentioned the deadline of integration. So we canned the community is the United States ready for drones . And 85 said not ready. And fred said. However, carey adds some context and says. And well be discussing some of those uses tonight. Loyal streamers as you know you are the third host of the show. Engage us throughout the show and well try to get your comment on the air. Joining us is truman heintz, a former Army Intelligence captain and drone pilot. Joining us by skype is the dean of aviation and Public Services at utah university. In our google hangout is trevor tim an activist with the Electronic Freedom Foundation, and steve, a drone pilot and the superintendent of shark, an Animal Protection group. Pierre, you are an Army Intelligence captain and a drone pilot, and really there are so many other uses. Give us the 101 on the vast array of drones. Sure, lisa. Number one they come in all shapes and sizes, so they could be as small as the size of your hand or as big as a 737 bowing. Wow. They can fly for minutes or days on end. And thirdly, the sen source you put on them. You can have fullmotion imaging or just to detect heat. In the military we use them number 1 for lethal purposes, but thats a small sliver of what the military uses drones for. In most cases were using them to gather intelligence. So as we transition, i think well see that drones can be used for firefighting, for search and rescue, and border patrol, and lots of domestic uses as well. Lets talk about private drones. There is a misnomer that they are just in the pursue of the military. Steve you use a drone that most people have never heard of. Tell us what you do with it. One of my loves for a long time has been aviation. I have a private pilots license, and it was natural for me to want to find out more about drone technology. Its a lot of fun, and there are some very practical uses. You know i can take my drone and have a great time putting it up someplace and at the same time i can be watching as far as Animal Protection goes, areas that very badly need to be watched. Like in pennsylvania there are places where they slaughter live pigeons individually shot out of boxes. And in doing so, we find illegal animal abuse. I have found illegal burning, where they are burning pigeons as well as other garbage including plastics and tires and this kind of thing. So one of the ways i have enjoyed my hobby is to fly drones in a place where i can also get valuable footage of animal abuse where we can try to stop that. Isa our community is still divided. So wayne, as lisa mentioned, a lot of people equate drones with Foreign Policy and military strikes, and we just talked about steve saying how they use drones for Animal Protection. Talk us to about how some these drones are also used in other areas in the United States. The first thing i would like to say is in my area we dont use the d word. Because the d word has a very negative connotation associated with it. So we call them Unmanned Aerial Systems on our manned aerial vehicles. Once the faa decides on the integration of usas into our National Air Space system, 85 of the use of these uass will be for agriculture and public safety. Firefighters our wild land fires that we have in utah, california, and arizona, are getting more widespread and more intense, and the way that we might those wildfires now is really the dated technology. Its a little bit better than what we had 40 years ago when an airplane would actually fly over a fire and drop a tube with photos that that airplane had taken. Now they can detect areas where the fire right move and areas where firefighters cant see, because thats what happened in that tragic accident in arizona where the firefighters were there those 19 firefighters. There was a blazing fire on the other side of a ridge that they didnt see, and that was ultimately their demise. If there was a usa there they would have been able to see it. You wrote a piece learn to stop worrying about love the drones. Drones . I think for three reasons. Think about the economic benefits. A whole new industry, Unmanned Aircraft industry 2013. There are different estimates but were at least talking in the billions. And also efficiencies in other areas, whether it is firefighting or agriculture there will be other benefits. And also search and rescue, disaster relief, these drones can go places that humans and helicopters cant go, so those are two of the reasons im excited outside of Law Enforcement. I read that a private company with a private drone volunteers its use in the floods of colorado and they were able to get it up and map submerged areas. Thats pretty mazing. It is amazing. We would use zones in chart new areas in the military. When the ground changes drastically. The old maps you have are outdated and you need to go get a visual an accurate visual that takes into account Something Like a flood. Our community is still critical. Here is melissa. And keri says. Trevor i want you to get in the conversation, i know you are a bit critical here. What are your thoughts on that . I think the guests so far have done a good job of courses plaining some very good uses for drones, but we also have to look at the flip side of thing like the tweeters mentioned which is misuse especially by Law Enforcement. The types of agencies that are used the most advanced drones are federal and state Law Enforcement agencies. They have been using them for years of course they are not firing missiles off of these types of drones, but they are firing off the types of predators that can stay in the area for long periods of time. The department of Homeland Security has ten of these flying on the border. The immigration bill debated in congressman dates that they flow them 24 hours a day. And they are also being loaned out to Law Enforcement agencies around the country. And none of these agencies have any sorts of privacy rules. Trevor i want to pick up after the break with you talking more specifically about that, and ask our viewers, should Law Enforcement be allowed to use these drones, and if they are, and if they are allowed continued use, should stronger lines be drawn. Tweet us your comments and well share them right after this. vo Al Jazeera America we understand that every news story begins and ends with people. The efforts are focused on rescuing stranded residents. vo we pursue that story beyond the headline, past the spokesperson, to the streets. Thousands of riot Police Deployed across the capitol. vo we put all of our Global Resources behind every story. It is a scene of utter devastation. vo and follow it no matter where it leads, all the way to you. Al jazeera america. Take a new look at news. The most important money stories of the day might affect your savings, your job or your retirement. Whether its bailouts or bond rates this stuff get complicated. But dont worry. Im here to take the fear out of finance. Every night on my show i break down confusing financial speak and make it real. Welcome back. In that was the view from a private drone that monitors power lines. Now were talking about the use of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles in the u. S. And how much they should be regulated. Before the break we asked you if Law Enforcement should be able to use drones and where the lawn should be drawn. Response . A lot of suspicion. Expensive. Exactly. Trevor first your organization obtained a list from customs and Border Protection about how many times it flew predator Surveillance Drones on behalf of other agencies. Talk about what you found, and what that really means . Yes, as i was saying before the break, customs and Border Protection as about ten Surveillance Drones. But when they are not using them they lend them out to Law Enforcement agencies. And the Justice Department said they only used these drones two times. When we got our request back, it turned out they are used them over a hundred times. And this is the same pattern we have been seeing over and over again with the federal government is they refuse to release Accurate Information of who is flying drones in this country and what they have been used for. We had to you under the freedom of information act to find information out, and now when they release the information it is obviously months old, rather than posting it on a public websites like they should. What do you think the issue is . That u. S. Border patrol and customs loaned these uavs to other agencies, were these other agencies not allowed to use them . What would be the purpose of not disclosing the agencys uses . Thats a great question. Im not sure why they would not want to expose it besides having the public find out and be worried about it. None of these agencies have privacy policies. We dont know how long they keep the footage . Do they hand it on to other agencies . Are they looking for other things besides wanted criminals which they have a probable cause warrant for . These are all questions that the American People deserve answers for before they start using these drones regularly. Pierre i want you to jump in here and react to what is being said, and then also, do you think lines need to be drawn a little more distinctly. Sure, i think first off, just because someone doesnt release information to me, doesnt necessarily mean they are trying to hide it. So i applaud treasure and his organization for seeking transparency. I have no issues with that. Where we draw the line is going to boil down to number one whether we think drones require warrants. And then the second line is whether were going to restrict different purposes, so if one of your viewers, steve wants to use it to look at Animal Rights is that something were going to allow, versus whether someone uses it to look in your backyard to determine whether you are smoking marijuana. Michael just tweeted in. And the line lisa you mentioned, he said is too thin. Tom says. That . I think one of the big things that the faa is going to do what the faa wants to do is safely integrate uass into our air space system, but they also want to create rules and regulation that govern when they can fly, how high they can fly, and what type of activity they will do. One of the things they will do in the next five, six, ten years, will be just what they did in regular aviation. Right now there are no rules, but it will come to an end once we have the integration of these uass with the faa authority over them. Steve you want to weigh in here . Well, this is an Incredible Technology that the rest of the world is going to embrace it. We certainly should too. There are so many fantastic positives to it, that its only the flatearth society that is going to ignore it. Now this is where the Electronic Freedom Foundation comes in. For somebody to just say im afraid of a drone, thats not a good reason. There are people who are afraid of automobiles and airplanes and so own and so on. This is a fantastic organization, we have worked with them. They are bringing up some of the real concerns that every american should want to know more about, and frankly, i think the faa is probably going to do the best job that they can. This is something new, so were going to grow into it, like we have grown into the internet and every other technology that has been developed. This is nothing to be afraid of. This is something to look at the issues that pop up and simply deal with them in a responsible manner that protexts peoples privacy. We have satellites taking pictures of the world every day. So to pretend that somebody doesnt have accessible to you in your backyard but nobody really cares. There are billions of us on this planet, and for people to be afraid of this technology, just seems very childish to me. Deal with the real issues. They are trying to deal with real issues across the country now in legislature after legislature. But drone strikes laws differ from state to state. And that is creating issues. What is the best legislation . Regional or consistent on a federal level. Think about that, and well talk about it after the break. Millions who need assistance now. We appreciate you spending time with us tonight. Up next is the golden age of hollywood going golden but elsewhere. Why l. A. s mayor has declared a state of emergency for the Entertainment Industry there. Next. My name is ranjani chakraborty, againet again againet genetisist, and i in the stream. Before the break you wanted to respond to something steve was talking about in terms of embracing this new technology. Yes, i think steve made an excellent point when he said we really have to embrace this new technology. Because i think this is probably one of the most important innovation advances in aviation since the wright brothers. Look back just a little over a hundred years ago, and were standing in kitty hawk in North Carolina and watching the first human flight and were all standing there wondering whether this will be an important advancement in our society. And this is basically where we are right now with these usas. They are going to make a major impact, and we like, steve said, have to embrace it. Pierre so many states have pending legislation. None of it looks alike. What sort of legislation in terms of the level at which it has to occur is going to best americans . I think this is best served at a federal level. A lot of the privacy concerns are based off of the constitution, and that is best served at the federal level. Its understandable that states are going to have to take action, but there needs to be an overall framework. Right now states are doing their own thing, and the federal government is silent for the most part. But this has to be handled at a federal level and states can fill in the blank. One of the concerns is safety like crashing. Right. We have this great comment by Melissa Cummings. Give her a listen. Brown loses its communication link, this drone will have to be able to successfully land itself safely and not come into any contact with humans for it to be in widespread settings. So to do that you have to have live automation, unfortunately it turns into a distraction problem, in that as soon as you put enough automation on board an aircraft to keep it safe then people start to get board, and you see things like texting, sleeping, like in airline cockpits where it is difficult for pilots, the same issue will come up with drone pilots. That . I think we definitely have to look at safety concerns. Not only are these things very light, but a lot of the smaller drones are easily hackable. So thats actually what im talking about at the new york drone conference next week is all of the ways these can be hacked. But i want to go back to what one of the other states said about embracing this technology. Nobody is talk about total ban on these drones. We want some regulation to Law Enforcement dont scoop up ordinary citizens in the surveillance net. But also a lot of the activities have to stay legal. Putting privacy rules in place can help these types of activities because that means that we will kind of get rid of this problem for all of these states. I think a lot of drone makers are caught in this uncertainty period, and once we have privacy rules in place, 95 will be able to go forward as planned. We have another video comment from Melissa Cummings about that conference. Can the use of drones keep pace with the technology . I think it can. We talk about the technology as steve said and said this is cutting edge. But some of the images are second and Third Generation compared to what the military already has. So look at what is already possible. And we know what is possible through the military in terms of the predator and things like that. So we can base our legislation off of the most advanced technology, and thats how we should be legislationing. Trevor you want to weigh in on that . I agree. This technology is moving extremely fast. The amount of time drones can stay in the air is expanding exponentially. The technology is advancing so quickly. I want to say thanks to all of our guests. Were out of time, thank you so much. What incredibly Diverse Voices on the show tonight. I love the discussion. Until tomorrow go to there. Welcome to Al Jazeera America. Im del walters. Here are the stories were following for you. Congressional leaders are set to meet with the president today on is the battle over the budget. The budget battle. 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