To Birmingham 9 lucky 0 May but now is 12 and is Jeremy thank you good to. Take a we will have all the details before the end of it. Looking to see whether the chancellor is budget does something anything to help young people buy houses were caught in stamp duty to a. Different subject the water companies still using divine ing rods to find little to Syria's. President Mugabe really has gone from power should he be allowed to live out the rest of his life in a stately home in Zimbabwe will end up at the Hague like redcode. Will summarize the budget for you at $130.00 and see whether the man they call spreadsheet still has made another of his famous bundles. So we think that I have it will start speaking about 1230 half an hour and be finished by probably 140 Our phone number if you'd like to call on any of the above and by the way we need to get a defining Rodion here 08288291 calls free for most landlines you can email via b.b.c. Don't care ek find me on Twitter very easily Let's go to the newsroom and out in Puerto Jeremy thank the international court settlement to investigate war crimes in the former Yugoslavia has delivered a series of guilty verdicts in the case of Ron Kamal adage the military commander of Serbian forces in both in the 1990 s. Was found responsible for genocide and crimes against humanity the presiding judge Alphonse already said Mr Millet It was guilty of the most serious offenses their crimes. Committed bring among the most heinous known to human kind and include genocide and extermination as a crime against humanity for having committed crimes the chamber censuses Mr Rudd comedy each to life imprisonment the chancellor Philip Hammond is to present his budget to M.P.'s in the next hour he's facing calls to boost spending on public services but is expected to be wary about increasing borrowing and government debt now assistant political editor Norman Smith is outside 11 Downing Street and has the latest the smoke signals emerging this morning suggest this could be a cautious budget because when it comes to the public sector pay cap we know there's been huge pressure to lift it to ease the Astaire a to. Another public sector workers all the signs are there is not going to be any additional money the online mini cab service Uber has admitted concealing a security breach which affected millions of its customers around the world hackers were able to access personal information held by the company a year ago but details have only just been revealed by the firm reports from Zimbabwe say the former Vice President Al Gore is to be sworn in as the country's new president will replace Robert Mugabe who resigned yesterday after 37 years in power Mr Gore was dismissed by Mr Mugabe 2 weeks ago triggering a political crisis. The u.s. Navy says one of its transport planes with 11 people on board has crashed off the south coast of Japan 8 people have been rescued 3 on accounted for. 3 minutes past 12 next one thank you said. Philip Hammond the chancellor not yet on his speech in the house a couple I think it is prime minister's questions right now let's just have a listen this is because the Amish prime minister has discussed it with the British government size it doesn't seem like they've thought all lists through. So can the prime minister reassure him by outlining the government's policy on the Irish border. The question Theresa May respond to his welcome to the media for the black I hope it isn't 650 years before the Labor Party has a. Ok We're going to talk about housing and what the budget. a general perspective and then focus on housing and what could be done to to get us on the housing lot of his 1st 7. Parents it's just not happening is there a toll and then also dividing $8000.00 to $88.00. C. One of. The they do were president McGarvie should be allowed to go just stay home and live out the rest of his life in peace all be prosecuted. Yes the stuff in the budget. Let's start with that if we go down to the House of Commons just hear it live on these matters. Mystical been answering questions of Mrs May What's the b.b.c. Political correspondent is at Westminster everyone obviously waiting for the Budget speech in about 20 minutes here that's right usually the prime minister's questions takes a huge amount of attention to this time I think people just want to sit it out and hear what Phil Hartman's got to say should start around half past 12 if pm queues runs on a bit of a little bit later but already of course some things have been trail which And I think the most successful transfers Jeremy as you know are people can actually tax less and spend more but as virtually impossible to do allege you've got an economy that's roaring ahead isn't there but he is under that kind of pressure from many people in his own party who actually started the show playing so lonely does seem to a very lonely position are in the cabinet table with some people saying my goodness you've got to keep strict rein on the public finances get the deficit down another saying we need more money for housing we need more money for education we need more money for younger people who perhaps have been losing out and ended up voting for Jeremy Corbyn have been hearing from a moment ago so he does have a very difficult position some of the things that have been trailed or been speculated on we expect him to spend around 200000000 more on education giving skills incentive to teach people mass to live all to teach and train teachers in a less well performing schools we're expecting also perhaps to do some things at a huge pressure from his own side and it's never made anywhere else to perhaps. Shorten the weight that people have to have when it 1st craving universal credit perhaps then from 6 weeks to a calendar month we are expected to put more money into the n.h.s. As well but we don't think about anything like the 4000000000 pounds of the chief executive of the n.h.s. In England has been demanding and of course as was mentioning it Jeremy I think housing will be a key part of this as well has been under a lot of pressure from the community secretary such a job or to borrow more to invest in housing He's also been under pressure from some of his own backbenchers to send more positive about Bragg's it because that's when the reasons is think pretty cautious at the moment because it doesn't know what's around the corner but some of the words of certainly going to sound like much more upbeat than before we're told is going to be telling as it is going to invest to secure a bright future for Britain and on Helles the new homes I gather but also maybe looking at Stamp Duty is that Rice Yes $5000000000.00 pounds we believe for new homes has also been a very technical change to the way that housing associations can borrow which will free them up to invest more in housing as well there's also been an announcement of course previously the party conference by stories of May of 2 1000000000 more for social housing that's 5000 more homes but has been a lot of speculation of what you would do on stamp duty particular to get 1st time buyers into the market their friends increasingly difficult to save up for deposits and the 1st home at the moment in England you don't pay any standard c. a Toll on a property purchase of 225000 un paid 2 percent up to a quarter of a 1000000 so there's some speculation that they might suspend stamp duty for a time for 1st time buyers up to that level and start to brings a lot of money into the treasury around 11000000000 a year but if you do that fairly narrow change which would help 1st time buyers they're not only cost around 200000000 there are different systems for start getting property taxes should say in Scotland and we always you don't pay stub duty in 245000 Scotland or 850000 in Wales so any changes the chancellor announces today wouldn't apply to them there will be some pressure from to be more radical though in. Why not just suspend stunt duty entirely for people trapped under the age of 40 or people who are 1st time buyers across the board that would be much more costly for him but a bigger simply want to get people to hosing larger but not critics too so housing experts say it's fighting to get rid of started you see this money you have to pay upfront to buy a house in the 1st place but that might just end up fueling house prices and in the end cost more in mortgages thank you very much and what's a b.b.c. Political correspondent be back with us later on today to see what was to have is actually said let's take all those points about housing and start with you Henry Pryor joins us housing expert as the San Bowman executive director of the Adam Smith Institute and you think targeting stamp duty is the way to go Yeah absolutely I think stamp duty is probably the worst tax we have on the books in the u.k. And the big reason for that is that it's a huge tax bill for anybody looking to downsize for example older people whose kids have left home who might be in a house with 3 or 4 bedrooms they only need one but if they downsize and free up that house for a new family they're faced with possibly 506070000 pound tax bill so the big big problem is that we've got this gummed up housing market was very very few actual transactions taking place and stamp duty is the major reason for that I don't think scrapping it would solve the problem we just need to build more houses I don't really wish we would get some movement on that but I don't think we will but Stamp Duty is a huge problem in the market it would be a huge benefit think Big think about getting rid of steps you have replied What would happen if we did what it's something a lot of people a lot of politicians in particular ironically particular run up the larger election considered the conservatives talked about potentially a swap with stamp duty possibly for some variance of Land Value Tax which is a way of picking up the bill at the other end but there are some massive implications at the end of the day Sam says it's not if this is not an attractive tax it's a tax as many people say on otherwise taxed income but the big biggest problem for me at any rate is that. We have for the last 20 years stimulated the demand side of the housing market we've given people more money whether it's directly through previous tax holidays on stamp duty for instance and also of course some very controversial Help to Buy this gives people more money to bid for a finite number of homes and if you give them more money they will use that to compete and as a result drive up house prices and that's the thing that I'm terrified of so what is the solution that if they haven't got enough money to buy the houses that offer sale I suppose you going to say build more houses are you well in reality there is that there is the evidence that suggests that people are struggling obviously is widely reported but we saw from the tax man's own numbers probably yesterday over $105000.00 homes sold in October that's actually above the long term average there is a market people are able to buy and sell houses there are some very very wealthy oligarchs and bankers who have been hit incredibly hard and then it does genuinely sting but the vast majority of people who are buying a property got a reduction when George Osborne stood up 2 years ago and made changes to very basic way that stamp duty is just. And it's no doubt that he would make it more appealing for buyers to participate but at the end the day stamp duty comes out of the total cost that people pay for houses and all the evidence tells us that if you were to give people more money that would just end up in vendors pockets and house prices would go up as a result Sam answer that I don't think that's quite right firstly it's a supply side effect as well because these times Judy Bill actually hits the owners as well as it doesn't even though the buyers are the ones paying the actual check it comes out of the value that the owners get when they sell so disincentive as people from selling so that comes up the market but a more important point is that paying say 1000000 pounds for a house is kind of like an investment in the house because you're going to be able to sell that ideally and you would expect for roughly that amount in the future so putting more money into house prices isn't itself a bad thing if the house can be sold for that much stamp duty though is just money you've lost if you write 50000 and then the guy. It goes to the n.h.s. Saw paying the e.u. The British or spill or whatever so what we should be doing really is changing how we do council tax because the system we've got is completely bizarre it's based on property values from 1902 it's totally I mean it really means that houses in places like oval and Brixton that are really doing very well now are paying a very very low rate of council tax and houses in other parts of the country that have been done doing quite badly in the last couple of years are paying a relatively high level of council tax so what we should do is change Council Tax revalue and bring in I think new bands for more expensive property you've already got the bands already work they because they've already brought all share each other think they work very well because the fact is that expensive properties are actually paying a very low amount of council tax relative to quite cheap properties so we should make that system more progressive and we could use that to pay for the money that we wouldn't be getting in from stamp duty so we could maintain the progressiveness of the system we could actually make it more progressive and we can get rid of this incredibly damaging tax cuts here's the really big issue Henry is whether the government this government buys the bullet and says you will pay tax on the profit made when you sell your house that's the prime residence that's the biggest legal tax loophole in the country is the way that those of those who sell their principle home find that it is exempt from capital gains taxes paid by other people who sell properties as buy to let levels for example the issue that some quite rightly highlights and that we all talk about is that there's no doubt that stamp duty could be could be reengineered could be made to work much more efficiently and more productively but let's remember that the vast majority of people are concerned about the people who are not facing a stamp duty land tax bill they can't afford to buy a home they can't afford to rent a home in many instances and I'm afraid it's that social embarrassment that we were all hoping the child was going to tackle today thank you very much did he reply housing expert Sam Bowman executive director of the Adam Smith Institute still waiting for the chancellor to take to his feet you tell us what you think they And he came blinded by your 2 Ok we're talking about the 2 of the Hammond budget experience that see what's going on still Theresa May have feet in the house that's a record. 300 is a bitter jail sting as as I correspond was saying it promises questions because they sort of know labor in the concert is that this will not be what makes it to the news tonight so it will be it will be budget. Material and we'll hear from the chancellor in less than 10 minutes time we'll just get a little whisper of him we'll go and talk about other stuff and then at 130 will have a chance to digest the bulk of it meanwhile on housing and what he should do to make sure your son or daughter can actually buy somewhere to live like is too much to ask is it Steve Preston in Wakefield West Yorkshire says even with this change of stamp duty or building new houses getting on the housing ladder is still impossible for young people they shouldn't need help from their parents when I bought my house in the seventy's the price of a house was 500 pounds more than my annual salary what do we need to do is a crazy thing that you allow parents to give their houses to their kids is that is that what would make it easier with no tax implications it mounted in Sydney it's Cambridge What do you think. I mean I don't like. The biggest problem with the government where the only things is. Basically they fiddled around with the system and. Which tries to take the market market's got to find its own level and altering stem Jussi and say youngsters basically that they would like your guest said earlier in the builders will just have any extra valuable and the market well. We've got to run out of people who've got more money to spend than our own children have we have that's got to be a point at which your kids or somebody else's kids get to the front of the queue to buy a house surely Well these corrections have happened many times in the past my father in law used to be killed himself and. You know and I've seen Lisa corrections many times and we will probably do a correction. But leaders England for example of just introduced a new system library 'd. Do not allow foreigners that don't live in the country to part proxy and we. To do the scientists London is just really talked with investment from with people with plenty of money from whatever means the Russians and things. And it just creates one massive great big hot spot which radiates out to you know where I am in Sydney and and kind really you're getting you're getting a fix in Sydney it's from Russians buying houses in central London well they send a wave of price rises that people can't afford to live in London they move out from London with more money than what we. The crisis would be around. You know a 1000000 pounds will buy a very nice house in kind which are not writing trying which but. Connections to regular g. And Roy told me in Edinburgh What do you think. I was just thinking as well or not feel taken me as an example of both 457 that I think is an issue post 800000 pound mortgages attached to use an individual rather than go to repay the houses as collateral buy everything you have made 137 my next. Choice is and probably back and my mortgage which is attached to each rather than. Present another house or a could and another house and I've bought another house underneath it and not way the government is going to your tax codes show that you've moved house 8 times fewer and fewer people are doing that thing to our parents in the seventy's because the frictional cost as they call it stamp duty was the charges at the balsa he's so great and you're getting people now who are just sticking in the same house for 4050 years and maybe then you know where to do it but yeah. I'm looking. At the mylar because I'm alone in total to the next 4 years your mortgage you know so it's all. He's given your house to your children Roy. You know and I don't consider them all children consider my next year's pay the mortgage and he. Looks. Like I'm so I become the mortgage or and understood. My. Gift that's very interesting but how you end up handing the house down without getting into tax problems with profit made out and I Gary emails you can build only affordable houses you like for a young but unless they are less than $250000.00 pounds in Valley preferably less up north and buyable with a maximum deposit of 10 grand they are not affordable when is the penny going to drop says Gary. Very sad to hear that we lost David Cassidy. This is his most famous song like. A room. In the sky. Very odd American actor singer David Cassidy found fame in the Partridge Family I went on to become a 90 seventy's pop idols so you will if you're a same age as me or older you'll remember him from all the magazines and the t.v. And Top Of The Pops all that has died at age 67 had been suffering from dementia as well very sad David Greene in Heathfield East Sussex talking about properties says there are 800000 empty ones in England so we're going to sort those out before we build new ones on the greenbelt why didn't the young people help themselves by saving up we put that question before and younger people respond by saying they could say for a 1000 years they would be able to buy a property and that is why they spend their money on experiences like taking photographs of each other an egg or in Lincoln says why didn't the government appoint someone like Nick Knowles or any of the t.v. Experts who do say housing projects to help the government do some sort of housing project I didn't see Nichols the other day I've only met him once his cover weeks ago he's got a new album out I thought that me might be too busy Rob Jeffrey is an old and says we are looking to try. I had to move house at the moment. Bill would be around $27000.00 pounds why can't we haul of that well reevaluating council tax to make up the shortfall there are great big houses not paying much council tax at all trying to think how much would your house value be if you were paying $27.00 grand stamp duty out that's an interesting one I'm not sure I do alone so I Dan in Chester takes what we need to do is stop people buying several houses to rent them out for profit this winds me up when a new housing estate has built old houses sold within a few weeks and then 50 percent of them are rented out and we got to stop it b.b.c. Radio income say. Hey it's selfish. I like my face. still very old school way of finding water which is downsizing the technique dates back 500 years and involves using a very shaped rod to 2 little roads along with the mystical power of the human mind to detect underground water when Adele's a wall over heated water the rods apparently cross over and point to the spot where it's located nobody really knows how it works we're talking about water defining because this happened I don't think ph d. Student Sally Le Page received a strange message from her parents after a technician from the water company 7 Trent came to install a new pipe and a parents can believe their eyes because this man started walking around holding what they thought were bent tent pegs to look a. The mains pipe this year and that he was a rogue employee and Sally tweeted 7 Trent to ask what on earth was going on she expected the company to apologize profusely but instead they replied saying are the old methods of tried and tested and we do find them useful That's right he was dividing or delving and it turns out 10 of the 12 u.k. Water companies are still using water delving as a way of finding water have you tried it do you think it works does it have any scientific basis if you think it's nonsense 08288291 email vine at b.b.c. Daugherty you can just find out a bit more from Sally Le Page who's a biology Ph d. Student at Oxford University Well what a call from a parent Sally how fascinating I write is a bit bizarre so they cool when they say we've got a visit from 7 Trent but the guy is using basically a mediæval piece of equipment Yes So my parents are scientifically minded so they recognized it as a war to dividing when they saw her and they they just couldn't believe there I think is that each other and I didn't see what do you see this like 2017 and that person is trying to use divination techniques and it was when you say tent pegs that my mother measures something quite short but they were about a foot or 2 long with a well I suppose it's like any divide I am I can say that there is a specific length that defining rods should be in order to work more efficiently because they don't work but yeah you've just got to Alice tape metal poles really and you hold the short hands in your hand so that the long and the sticking out and a parallel to each other and then supposedly they cross a for when there's water and to me yeah and did you did he find water using that method at your parents' house where they didn't do any digging so you can't confirm it either way but we already had a map showing that there was going to be a pipe underneath that road and the man was that it basically confirmed that yes the pipe was where is the place to be so we don't know whether he got it right or not so you think it is to do with his subconscious being having been told as a pipe underneath the road he's arms are going to make subtle movements pretty much as they are what we know scientifically about defining and dousing. Is that there's this thing called the major effect which is where tiny little subconscious thoughts like you mention cause your hands to make tiny tiny muscular movements that you don't realize you are doing so it feels like the rug the meeting themselves when actually you are the ones moving the rod and you might be picking up on all sorts of accidental keys like the way that the grass is growing or where the water valves are in the area and that will mean that the rods cross and you are the one causing them to cross but if they're not crossing over because that was Ok because we oversee other examples of this might be we job boards which seems to seem to work because people move the glass without really knowing that they're doing it and also there was a fellow who called Man Who Sold bomb detection equipment in Iraq I don't remember that guy yes the $8651.00 know about it and and it was basically some sort of thing where you divine on golf courses to find golf balls and he sold them for an enormous amount of money went to jail but the same thing was happening people were they were sort of they would see a suspicious person and they would just subconsciously the was would cross Yeah I mean not cases to take the shocking because if you're confounding that there on a bombs in an area based on something that doesn't work that's putting people's lives at risk at least it's irony to pay is a few quid every now and again where essentially you are a scientist yourself so you you look at this with the science hat on but maybe there's more to the world than science maybe but so far there's been a 1000000 pound 1000000 dollar reward that's been out for anyone who can prevail and so far no one's claim that money to stay with us we've got John Baker chairman of the London Dells is on the line hi john you are Delta So you've done dousing yourself Yes And have you found water with it. Not just rolled over many other things well well that might mean it doesn't work very well you know it made it works extremely well how do you tell the Dells or what to find it's a bit like doing all right. You just saw. To concentrate on a specific thing like I'm working with the fall much on the phone from waterfall and my my main focus my mental focus is on looking. Very really genuinely has this psychological component and you're quite upfront about that but no problem with that so the best bit of equipment we have is between areas. Which has been under development for millions of years and it knows a lot more about the world we live in than we think we've got a little experiment in the studio which we told you about yes opposite me if I got producer more is with us because describe what you've got but don't don't know Gena thing because I must know. Where we've got a very scientific experiment laid out feature I mean we've got 3 balls that are covered with papers in one of the 3 poles there's water we've made our eyes I'm defining rods and they're quite d.i.y. Quite ready to man train as you say they come around because I can see thank you I've got a microphone I can see you hold the microphone so I've got to put the dividing ones in my hands thank you Beca right so look as you say you've got 3 balls and 3 pieces of plain a 4 I don't know which Bowl has got any liquid on here put the headphones on can you hear this John Yes Ok all right now what I'm going to do I need your tips here John what should you how do you how do you hold them but I've got to go there are 6 guns like a pair of 6 gun so waist level or higher Weiss level to you carrying a tray you try started moving. The well yes and make sure make sure they all come off the top just to say I just got to move a chair because I could see that the chair it might detect the chair hang on hang on a 2nd I still have you know I am enjoying this place and I tell you what you're going to you're going to feel silly if we find the water tell you oh wait till I tell you how and scientists. So Joan I've got them I'm holding them like a 6 gun one of them is going crazy to be honest but I've taken my some off the top yet take take it on and off the top I must be I must be able to long piece of metal must be able to swing on cross you're not cool without any interference to swing across my knuckle Yeah Ok I've got that yeah Ok it's for a. Stand well why did we start with the 1st Both these amazing All right so the 3 balls are a balance of 810 inches apart Ok well or should it be further apart probably Yes Ok Alison. I mean should we do this hang on I'm going to turn my back because we need to do that we mustn't have them interfering with each other off sounding very important because sadly for them I would wait till the end we may be proving all your science wrong here we go here we go Ok sorry John I'm right I have 4 wife and the balls are you right the balls are 18 inches apart now I don't know which one has water and. 6 foot Ok Now if you just shrugged his shoulders 2 or 3 times as relaxed as you can shrug my shoulders it's not very easy on the edge but Ok I'm quite relaxed now well but we know this is all artificial anyway Well no it's not really if you know why cause you know something there well Ok anyway so you've got to head to tool 1st pole now all I wanted to do is just think about Ok Ok I'm thinking about water well I'm going to hang on I've got to say I'm moving 5 foot 4 foot I've got my sums off the top and I'm thinking about water. There's no movement Ok Joe Nothing turn round turn round I'm back to where you use relax put you put the 2000 wrote down both value them by my side have done that yet the notion relaxed again don't relax then get them back up into this position search position yes now you're now going to head to the poll numbers number 2 I'm on my way back I want to get into the well which was sort of water sea water will matter doesn't matter just the word water will do both water Ok. So well I'm trying to keep my laughter dark and they're very well done study you know the scientists on the spot there now look this is that little bit of movement but they're not crossing at the moment but that movement you know from you. Know what I think. I mean they're trying to touch each other but I moved down a little bit owing on where they cross. This is amazing the differently crossed now you didn't do that no I didn't I moved down towards the water and they crossed they moved on their own volition they moved on their evolution for sure I don't know if there's water in that one. Do you think we should check it now or should we go to the guy to walk away they could he said it all because. Ok I've before you know it's a relaxed relaxed and I'm sure by my size I hope people are enjoying this this is really I've never done this this is quality radio Well I wouldn't go that far but we're certainly certainly trying to is to now has one of the roads has gone crazy but close and try again now what happens if it goes to the left. Into the middle one with the left hand road is going left his point to the producer. So pressure that a drink ration. But Ok. So the 3rd one now and again on lowering it. I'm thinking about water yes the 2 defining roads are pretty much parallel They've straightened up Ok it's not it's not happening really nothing's happening so we've got a result there for sure I mean it seems to be the middle ball have a look at this is a big moment now hang on Ok I'll hold my friend Becca. Who I'm fresh equal to Sally I can see all the scientific research is about to go out the window if I'm right back it can you please and you can win about prize a Jeremy Oh here we go. Yes that was yes it was the one here is that it was the one that's incredible. Now you doing it in an involved in which you know very conducive to tell because you've got a lot of things going on around you yet you've got a lot of things on your mind because you're running a program well and all that money but I tell you that well yes that's fair enough but only see we did this is scientifically as we could I had no idea I actually thought it was going to be the middle one because I thought they'd probably stick in the far end and I'm Sally I'm stunned we're going to have to rethink our way well you say it's as scientific as possible I mean I can go into ways to make it more scientific For example back I should have known where the water was to make it double blind that's what we call a double blind. And you. Had you know you you employing one person putting over their mental imprint on to another one yet then making a very subtle body Maidment gesture so that body language can vary so let's just stick with did you make any subtle movements of real politicians today oh I really feel a bit offended we would do you very scientifically rigorously actually And no I didn't know I was making anything else with Jeremy and you are trained scientists is well yeah absolutely with your degree Ph d. In science but. Let's leave it there for the moment but think John think you as well we need to give this some thought This is one of the most extraordinary things has ever happened in the studio you haven't won a bit more practice you get in contact with me I don't think I need any more practice it's all working too well but thank you John and that will look at the basis of it shortly that's amazing we've success. He divined water in the studio let's play some more music here b.b.c. Radio to. See. What. a science graduate the producer and she put the bowls on the other side of the desk I didn't look while she was doing that I couldn't see what was going on with the bowels I had no idea there was no water around the bowl I divined using bent coathangers and it worked so I'm an Everton you talk to says I used to do this the whole time we used to find it one inch pipe in a 20 acre field I used to use copper rods bent at 90 degrees I've also used a hazel twig but it takes more concentration there's no magic to it anyone can do it. I just don't know how that worked it really really really was a weird experience for me personally Judy emails I can divine water I'm not sure how it works I felt like a witch when I 1st tried it the roads moved quite dramatically with no input from myself I found pipes I found on the ground streams it was a shock to me my children are too nervous to try it in case it's hereditary right so yeah I mean there's only one weird moment where I went to the 3rd bowl that was empty and the the left hand dividing rods suddenly started pointing at the produce about I'd no idea why pull lucky to an ass alone in Ireland what do you think of what we just did there. Yeah it was Prague fairly so and it's an. Experience which actually worked right. There within the house here and we needed to fall into well. Which to drill for well and that was enough for I could failed so I'm not trying to falling apart just trying to find a war to coalesce and a friend of mine. To follow a friend kind who could do to falling in with a high school twig which you set about it full. And he came and walked across the failed and the amazing thing was that he's a big strapping man a huge Tama guy and this ties all twig was pulled his arms down as if he was God as if he got. A bag of cement on the end of that bit of would get and shook it shook his body and many of them we know that a when the wife walked across the field and we found the water cools like the adult and we drilled through it there and it was spot on so it was really resting the willow branches if it was an animal. Well yeah if you if you have this way like branches like a y. Like a big Why don't you how do you find seam with the y. Towards tool to support each other is holding the 2 arms at the point where you from him with his arms out if you imagine that you were underneath and you got hold of that. Point of the y. And pulled it down and he was trying to resist against you his whole body was shaking trying to with this as if there was a big white on the end of it and the state went then tools the ground Ok let's just bring in Keith Wilkinson in Bristol listening to that you're not convinced at all. That they're not there is no way you know I was. A good neighbor along with getting the right size for you as well on the borderline as we go an extra well in the front garden which is covered so that's a great. I know it's full of you can run and we just said sycophants of all when you go out and. Test also rank and you don't stand on the well. On the road when you must not assigning talent if you say it was for me well you're trying not to laugh we owe you yeah we're going crazy start where ever told me I'm the heart of. A what a way just thinking there was no hole. 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