Every around 14 or 15 degrees Celcius windy with clay spells even nights. From. Trains and ferries are all running well this morning on the roads looking slow on the m $25.00 anticlockwise at the top for the tunnel to still. Be need to change coming from complements through the travel time that's looking at around 15 minutes according to author answers for the slow and. Cheaply way and who coasts very slow on Highgate Hill and around rye road at the Royal traffic light if you're heading out of Can't sorry i Phones being held on the m 25 clockwise but more likely in services where there's a broken down van that's more than 20 minutes so wake up with. B.b.c. Radio and good morning just approaching 5 past 7 now coming up for you on the program this morning a murder investigation is underway after 39 people were found dead in the back of a lorry in grace after arriving from Belgium with. Tragic. Containers being. Front page of The Daily Mail this morning says Why were warnings ignored should we have prevented this disaster can we do something different to prevent it happening again and don't forget this echoes the tragedy in the 80000 when 58 Chinese people were found dead in the back of a lorry in Dover so what more can be done to tackle the scourge of people smuggling under 756 double one double one call us with your thoughts Also today the Royal British Legion is launching the Poppy Appeal today but it's in well Tunbridge Wells I can't even find someone to coordinate and oversee the fundraising the way that here. Here people have been doing it. When somebody retires for whatever reason we need to repay that. Why hasn't anyone . Step forward is a sign of the times is a sign of very busy lives and not being able to volunteer your time maybe we could change that for them this morning also coming up around is brewing over schools in Kent to still wake up call with and it cooks in cool 080756 double one double one b.b.c. Radio trend all of us animal news for you this hour which will make you smile amid amidst everything else is coming on to tell you so I'll bring you that say it's 6 minutes past 7 lots of getting in touch about Poppy's we spoke just before the news there to Kent Jane she's the Poppea pills community fundraiser for West Kents now which makes this point on the Texas morning he said cadets would be very good at selling poppies no doubt Richard but as I understand it it's not the poppy sellers that we're struggling with this morning it's the coordinator So I guess it's rather a more involved role from what they were saying it's not just a few hours of your time you need to be a little bit more involved in all the organizing and things and that's why it's difficult to find somebody in however says regarding poppies How many wars have we been involved in since the 2nd World War How many of actually be necessary he says very few if any in my opinion we should follow the example of Switzerland he says of course a bit more of a pacifist neutral nation in that respect a lot of people do argue this time of year is that it's time to wear the white poppies don't they but that's a whole different debate we do need to remember our Veterans Day we do need to make sure that people are stepping forward to make sure that this very crucial money is raised for veterans it's not our place really to argue the importance of the wars at this stage is it I 10756 double one double one do get involved and give us a call this morning 7 minutes past 7 now turning back to our main news story this morning which is about those 39 people who were found dead in a refrigerated lorry trailer in Essex now police are continuing to question a man over that discovery. The lorry driver he was named locally as Mo Robinson he's $25.00 he's from Portadown which is in county are Ma arrested on suspicion of murder yesterday now police raids were carried out overnight to addresses in Northern Ireland and the process of trying to identify the bodies of the victims has now begun as a reporter Alex Bass told us earlier on we don't even as yet know the nationalities of those people well Bernie Gravatt is a former Met Police superintendent and he says that it's going to be difficult to find out the details actually they will not have documents on them so we're going to start having to look at clothing like the boards where the clothing comes from or any other small items of property that they have brought with them that could help identify Firstly the source country and then the investigation really starts in just a moment we'll talk to start to sing the chief executive of the Joint Council for the welfare of immigrants but 1st we can talk to our reporter Emily He is live in Grayson Essex for us this morning where the community of course is trying to take into make sense of what's happened and certainly thank you for joining us 1st of all if you could just remind us about the order of the events as we know them at the moment. Yeah contain a roid fire ferry into Purfleet on the River Thames from sea burger in Belgium at about half past midnight on cheese day night going into Wednesday morning the lorry Kabal track to unit as they called the Belgariad number plate is registered to a company owned by an Irish citizen and travelling to the u.k. By Holyhead in Wales on Saturday we don't know what he did between Saturday and choose day night but ultimately it picked up the container and then left the port at Purfleet just after 1 in the morning yesterday not long after that the ambulance service was called and that going discovery was made indeed and do we think at this stage that people smugglers might be behind this. Yeah that is very much the strong suspicion of course we haven't had it confirmed but we do know that the National Crime Agency is involved they've got offices looking to try and identify any organized crime groups who may have played some part in this and if you just think about the circumstances 39 people discovered in what appears to be a refrigerated lorry unit that isn't something I think you can really. Get a sort of normal explanation for there must be some kind of criminal involvement in terms of the police investigation we know they've raided these properties in Northern Ireland overnight to addresses associated with the arrested man the lorry driver and I suspect we'll get a bit more information on those developments later today indeed and as I mentioned . So what's the mood was the atmosphere like there this morning. It's somebody. Unsurprisingly this is an industrial estate it's where the container was discovered it's not a residential area but there is still a sense of community you know I'm just outside a cafe where people you know regularly come to get their breakfasts and their lunches you know there is a place people stop and chat and I don't think they can really believe what has happened as we've mentioned this is very likely to be the result of human trafficking and getting your head around the desperation and the vulnerability of people putting their lives in the hands of criminals in the hope of finding a better life here in the u.k. I think he's something that's very difficult to get your head around and that is what people here and they're going to have to try today but they are being essentially with discovering extreme levels of criminal activity right on their doorstep is desperately sad and we thank you for being there for us this morning that family in using Grace talking to the wake up call let's discuss this in a bit more detail now we're joined by stop basting the chief executive of the Joint Council for the welfare of immigrants 1st of all that I've just got to ask you what's your reaction to the story to the news that we're hearing about well it's devastating it's been breaking I mean France you know and you go. All of whom had some idea of what their lives could be like all of whom had some sort of hope or dream or fear. Just no longer alive and their families may never know. Where they are what happened we may never know who they are or where they came from it's just such a tragedy Yeah it really isn't and over the newspapers this morning kind of leading on this why is this happened again you know this isn't Sadly this isn't the 1st time that we've had this kind of thing so how come we haven't been up to stop it. The bottom line is we we have closed off all of the legal by which people can move so people who may find themselves in a situation where they are desperate. For whatever reason maybe political asylum but maybe flame conflict maybe partly maybe family reasons there are virtually no legal route for them to make those jets and smugglers from everything we know smugglers people tracked because people who are in the business of exploitation and organized crime Look at that and say I spot market. I can see a group of people who are desperate and I can see policy that has closed off any opportunity for them to do something illegally so I'm going to make money out of their misery and so you're just going to continue to see smugglers plying their trade becoming ever more creative about the way they do it but unfortunately the cost of it is not just the money that handed over to a smuggler Sometimes it's people like Ron as we've found out very tragically but what would those legal rights to your mind look like then how would they operate in some of them a very straightforward for example and I don't we don't know the details of the people who are in the in the truck but didn't claim for example we have known. One so Westerners for anybody it's a common asylum in this country until and unless. Impressed apart from a very small number of people resettled some of all Syrian resettlement program I think that's something that most people would be quite surprised to hear you cannot claim asylum in the time of. Uncertainty both from the only parts of the world it is illegal to even try and take the. Police got things like the carrier trials which airlines find if you get on the plane that has a right to arise in the party which means that most people who want to claim asylum here never arrived. You've got the fact that we're in Ireland and you've got to Terrence in the sea turtle simple things make it possible for people to call him asylum Porter apply for asylum without them having to revise in the u.k. Set up process in sense of the embassy going to mention that's a really simple step that could be created and people won't be feel like they have some of. What that would that be practical I'm just thinking some people might say if we did that then obviously the applications would come in 2nd faster more of the world how would we even process all of that we process 128000000 applications every year and we are currently in the middle of the largest prison as naturalization sorry regularization registration ever undertaken in time registering for many years so that we can deal with the present that we so choose for things possible basically as soon as possible so we can we can do these things. I'm just wondering whether it would stop it though because obviously those who were granted asylum would come and they say you know they'd make a safe crossing of course but surely some applications would be turned down Wouldn't those people rebelling anyway to have that is when you've got to have a 2nd step which I mean even as we're not talking about people kind of coming across the channel or rises there in trucks you've got to make sure that the system that was like one of those decisions is fair right now anybody on any side of the debate about immigration could say very trust the Home Office to do its job and that will there wasn't really my point actually I mean you might be fairly turned down Ok you know in a might be really transparent you don't have a claim at all but you still might trying to hand while also so I thought I work with dozens of people every day and for the most part when there are times around the problem is the fact that has so in the system has the system has made the services and for the most part the most of the people when things was hands down but it's just the left end up with cause because it comes out of the Home Office wrong so you do need to have a system that works for us and there's no policy solution. But there are simple steps that could be taken to thank those Some people are going to have to make friends with to talk about orders on which to talk about movies but there is also just the fact that some people are going to feel so compelled to make a journey that we can't stop and all we can do is make sure that when they do that that's exactly true and that's where we are at the moment is not you know we can't stop them so given the fact that we didn't on foot we managed to get to these people in time to save their lives do we need more checks than. Who or when we don't know. I have to admit I'm a little bit confused by conflicting reports about where the truck hung from and how it moved around on the moment and whether it's a train or whether it went on. But are presumed this morning the Home Office and Border Patrol course also going to be looking at. You know the rules of work I guess it's a really good point actually because some people are saying and you're right you know the details are a little sketchy at the moment they're saying actually the reason it didn't come through David Khalili is because there are more checks than now is that at least true of that particular rate. Yes I mean you know there's been a lot of I say some on camera diary for the last. Several decades really and a lot of investment in checks and things you know Sekhar you know a lot of money that's gone into sort of course of today's article with preferences for for things like you know until a deal breaker in a lot of knowledge and all of that yeah you mentioned you mentioned bags I think a lot of people are being told wrongly to be frank but they're being told You need to move now because things would be different for you after Bracks if you had that . Ok Sunny thank you so much for joining us this morning great to have your knowledge there is that dissing the chief executive of the Joint Council for the welfare of immigrants now he makes it very clear he made it sound very simple actually all we need to do is make sure there is a system where people can claim asylum before they arrive on our shores because at the moment you literally have to step foot here don't you before you can start that process so if we made it easier to start or elsewhere you wouldn't have to try and cross the channel you wouldn't have to smog yourself in the back of a lorry is that the solution I'd love to know what you make of that 10756 double one double and give me a call or text this morning a 133 Start your message with the word count how do we essentially save lives in this situation is so stark when we're talking about 39 bodies being discovered in Essex yesterday right coming up we'll have more on the high streets and what's going on there I mean can we even save our high street was who was like at the moment is in a fit state to reason with the retail analyst will join us with that one and I promised you some animal news so what animal has been trained to drive actually trained to drive a car wash Oh you're going to see them on the air a 21 any time soon but apparently they're quite good to tell you after the news right now it's 720 in his race investigators are still trying to identify the 39 people who were found dead in a lorry trailer in Essex early yesterday morning the driver who is believed to be from Portadown is still being questioned and officers have searched 2 properties in county Jamar overnight Meanwhile b.b.c. Radio Kent research shows $21000.00 attempts by migrants to enter Britain in lorries this year have been intercepted at the Channel ports they were detected by immigration staff between January and August at Kelly Dunkerque the Channel Tunnel and Eurostar terminals in Paris and Brussels it's lower than 2015 when 83000 attempts were detected it's emerged the ram. Going south and reports of cyber crime and fraud became stuck on a police state to base because of a computer glitch the Inspectorate of Constabulary said software had branded the case is a security risk and drivers in Kent are in for road disruption whether or not bricks it goes ahead with Operation brought preparations taking place this month whether or not the u.k. 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Radio Kent 723 good morning stick around in a moment more on the demise of our high street you've got some shocking stats from the bush Retail Consortium to bring you there we'll talk to our retail analyst to reason with him who join us to debate that one 1st of all I think this has to be my story of the day I asked you just before the knees what animal has been trained to drive which you may guess that dogs actually I think you're right Richard I think I have seen new stories with dogs behind the wheel this is perhaps more surprising than dogs though this morning the headline rats learn to drive tiny cars what it would have to be a tiny car suppose if it was a rats it's probably an 11 male rats and 6 females want to know why the discrepancy that we are taught to drive the electric are v which moved forward when the rat grafts wire handlebars and completes the circuit if you see what I mean in the 1st phase and then rodents learn to enter the vehicle and drive forward in a straight line and they received a little reward of a fruit leap cereal if they managed to do it right sorry you don't get any rewards when you drive to work in the morning day and what they had to do was to have to train these rats from quite a young age so essentially they were they were raised in an in rich to environment that's what they call it cages with toys and exercise facilities kind of making sure the. You use their brains from the moments they are they're born they call it privileged positions for these rats I call it the Oxford and Cambridge of the rat wilds So they're taught to sort of climb and get rewards for doing different activities and stuff and now because of that they can drive cars which I suppose adds a whole new meaning to tailgating doesn't it with that story. I've got more animal news on the way for you here with no break up call on b.b.c. Radio Kent a quick one is coming from Michael in for producer Michael this morning I was warning him earlier on was not about the perils of modern life particularly text thumb a smartphone thought you can get from using a mobile phone too much Madelyne says sorry about broken bones hampering your lifestyle that's the rugby that's nothing to do with the phone there are some of us with permanent damage to nerves and tendons not from phones who would warn you not to over use your phone and risk such damage Madelyne I'm looking at now behind the glasses on his phone I'm sorry a trite for you this morning not much I could do about that one right now is 726 it is the wake up call on b.b.c. Radio can't we it's the more of us is in just a bit but 1st of all let's turn again to the story about our high street this morning it's a report by the British Retail Consortium it says 85000 jobs have been lost on the High Street in just one year and they calling it a broken business right system we've talked about in the past have we how the rates just heat too high to be competitive for businesses they say the government's apprenticeship Levy is fuelling the number of store closures as well so let's discuss this with to reason with Kim who is an independent retail analyst eases this what's the heart the heart of the problem is this all about business right stories are. A large part of it but it that they. Have gone up so they would be this rate would be rent increase of wages. That's gone up probably energy costs and things like that but at the end of the day 2 other things have to go into this equation one the consumer has switched a lot of shopping to online which doesn't need to be in the High Street and the 2nd thing is that a lot of these brands have expanded so quickly that they've got too much space at the end of the day they thought that they could increase their sales by having more shops rather than increasing the sales in the existing stores so a lot of them and you'll see big brands are closing stores all the way you've got to remember when you talk about 85000 jobs a lot of those are not full time job so that sort of multiplies the equation in a way it does in the days it's funny this one isn't a choice because it's a story that we all walk through every time we go to the High Street it's it's like I see a lot of boarded up shops but I also see the shops for the There seem to be having sales outside of the peak sales times you know you wait for the Christmas sales but there are now already it's a bit desperate definitely and that's because people are nervous I mean we're in such a muddle in this country people don't know whether to save for the holidays abroad you know what the rates are going to be like you know that that that does have an impact on people shopping they sort of shut down and think you know I'm not going to risk trying something because I don't know what the future holds and so that that that does have an impact but I think the other thing too is this the broader issue and people are starting to address it is that particularly I mean in time which was you know what do we want from our high street is there going to be more residential more work spaces there be more people you know what you got to do in each area has to look heard what the value is of their High Street and how they can attract more people into it you know what's the parking situation what's the transport so yes it is serious business rates but the issues are much broader and there are indeed. Egil in certain areas we're trying to wade through treacle do we just have to admit the fact that people just don't want to they will want to shop like that in future. That they will do is they want to meet a friend and go on have a cup of coffee and do something and they want to walk around you know very often people go and look in a shop particular specialty shop that camera shop get very coarse because the people go in the middle of the information and. There but I think they can spot these people now at the end of the day say yes but you've got to maybe you could make a high street inviting all sorts of ways of doing things that people could do but it has to be a whole sort of area with the retail community and the local council getting together and having a sort of strategic plan I mean we've seen in some Mitchell's we've seen all 4 sides the top of the town has been. Building sites for 17 years hopefully that will be that's not good to attract people into a town and you know we were talking earlier on with our business analyst Micky Clark about this and he said for fall is so important because obviously wants to in a shop where you might pick up your actual bits and bobs and you're going to do that necessarily on line that this this is why a lot of the stores do click and collect so you go on there but you actually go into the store to pick it up. You know John Lewis is very clever you can buy it you can pick it up in weight you know so that's the way it works it works really well for everybody because for the retailer it means they're delivering to the store in any case and for the consumer they'll go in and they'll be the footfall is clever indeed so true even if I was thinking of starting a shop now I was going to sell I don't know animal jumpers or something like that right and would you say would you advise me to even bother to have a physical store or should I just sort of start online I would if I was doing something that I would start online part I would go. Some of the best if you know where your customer is some of the other thing I do is trying to get a pop up the end of the day but. At the place because many. Now. But the fundamental thing is we have too many shops in this country and people are being greedy and trying to open too many. Way without taking because. Interesting is such rated market as it were it would be interesting to see what goes around comes around what we end up having as a High Street 100 years time to raise that great story this morning thank you that's a work in there and independent retail and this is people like Michael Keeping the barbers open with your peers I didn't think of that but actually there are quite a few in some bridge wells time now is 731 it is the wake up call than a stick around because still to come for you this morning do you think there should be more grammar school places here in Cannes Now the reason we're asking is because Tunbridge Wells boys grammar revealed it was planning on expanding right but not in time as well onto a site in Sevenoaks they call it an excess site is 11 miles away from the main school though this is not the answer you know what we should have. Called supervision. And not just for those who pass the class I wonder what you feel about this I mean is this a grammar school by that door in 7 x. Which courses we have it's own and it has got another Mannix for the girls hasn't it do you think they should just go the full hope and just build a grammar school there is that what's really needed to stick around we'll debate that in about 50 minutes time plus when you the latest on that developing story in Essex 39 people found in the back of a lorry will wake up with and it cooks in away 2756. Double one double one b.b.c. Radio trans. Murder investigation of course has started after that situation one person has been arrested we will as I say keep up to date with that one more this is coming from and he's in Margate this morning hi Linda and Linda says Bulgaria war torn or unsafe country I'm just wondering why these poor people risk their lives to leave a perfectly safe country and it's a moot point Linda but actually you know what we don't know where those people are from yet and we had this morning that they're going to find it quite hard to identify them they're going to have to look at clothing labels trying to work it out because it's unlikely that they will be there with full i.d. On them of course which is just so tragic isn't it that we must be up to the game content with families and things but because we know the root of the law doesn't necessarily mean that we know where the people are from if that makes sense and we've also had this coming from someone who's in swanskin this morning he says regardless of Brecht's it the only way to prevent another graze tragedy is to let everyone in with no checks on immigration or to stop and search every vehicle causing gridlock at the country's entry points requiring a huge army of peer across so either one way or the other that there must be an interim solution that we can use to stop this happening again what do you think under 756 double one double one we can talk now to pull from our great poll you've pulled over for us because I understand you are actually a lorry driver you've had a lot of experience with container transport How many. Stations Yeah good times I'm just trying to get my head around what's happened there I think it's just so desperately sad isn't it to think of those 39 people in that container how how were they not discovered sooner what a business there's a lot of things that have been relational noonish which makes it work yeah yeah I mean number one. It can time now All right Laurie you can try now. We can talk in my novel originated in Belgium. Regional if you go anywhere in the world. Belgium and then shipped across shipped across the channel and. People could have been in there. A couple of. Weeks that is a is a really good point they pull How do I know the difference because I'm looking at a picture of the lawyer now so maybe we can work it out so. As I understand it the fun part of the law is separate to the container on the back does that make. It so you've got. To go. Yeah it will be. Kept on the floor and then the. Section 2nd time normally looks like it's. Just like corrugated iron. You know to the front of it. Now. Try not. To do it work out where the container originated how would you buy it how do you do that. There will be a lock. On loading. The only people that are allowed to. Customs and Excise. All the people receiving the goods bin Laden 1st like. The. Goods in the refrigerator would been switched on a point of lighting. So you're looking at people going into a cold into a cold environment and my goodness yeah. And. Back to original from. The thing we've been told is whether it was discovered just abandoned on solid rock with the truck all the people. Yet there are so many unanswered questions and I guess this is the kind of research that must be going on behind the scenes at the moment trying to chop chop back where that contain it came from and if you followed the news from from when it broke yesterday which was if they morning wasn't it we were actually getting different thoughts even about where the noise come from 1st of all so it's hard to put the pieces together isn't it exactly and that's one of things. Are going to have to invest. Of course point of origin. Yeah. That would help. Us. Nationality. May help them to work out the nationality of all the people that are in that. Up. Could also help them to work out whether this is. The organized organized group to send these 4 people yet because that's all talk at the moment is of an organized group a gang if you like because it seems too much of a a big operation to be the work of one person alone doesn't it yes I mean it's a concern. And it's got all the correct. Through customs which much to this call. It's going to be an organ or it's going to be an organized group. That done this and. They are trying to do it. Well that's where we need to get to the bottom of is it because we just can't have another tragedy like this happening on our very doorstep cam ways to store for but Paul thank you so much for calling this morning is invaluable to have your your knowledge or insight Ashley into a world that a lot of us just have no no idea about that's poor from our day there with his thoughts Thank You 10756 double double one for yours I'd love to know what you think needs to happen now how we can stop this happening again. We had a tax I think was real and it wasn't talking about Bulgaria. In states as well Bulgaria is in the e.u. So migrants from there to the Cape do not need to star way in trucks anyway so yes a good point and as I say we just simply don't know where those people from at the moment it might be that we get more news on this as the day goes on and Lenny's a national mourning Lenny he says with immigration there are 2 problems that we must look at for the future and think of our offspring and there should be a level playing field he says will stick around we'll have more on this after 8 o'clock for you this morning here in the wake up call on b.b.c. Radio Kent we're going to do is we're going to talk to Bernie Gravatt He spent 31 years with the Met Police He's now a senior expert for the on human trafficking He'll be here with his thoughts shortly on that. Has got in touch re my my rat story as earlier on the rats have learned to drive tiny cars muster all of the day and he says gives a whole new meaning to the narrow road rats runs very cute very get a good morning when he's actually for you coming up after the knees I want to bring you Bubbles the donkey bubbles is the world's oldest Don't k. a Real grandma if you like but how old do you think the world's oldest donkey is and what will she have on a cake how many candles are bringing that same bar right now $28.00 times at headlines with rice police have. 2 properties in Northern Ireland as they continue to investigate the deaths of 39 people whose bodies were found inside a lorry in Essex the driver remains in custody 15 people were found travelling in the back of 2 lorries on the m 20 in Kent yesterday they've been passed to immigration officials after medical checks and the dog's trust has been lobbying M.P.'s calling for tougher action on illegal poppy smuggling across the Channel into Kent cans where the cloudy with patchy rain at all temperature of 14 degrees Matt has the sport football 1st of all in the run of 4 straight defeats away from home in the Champions League group games to beat game 41 in Belgium Alex Chamberlain scored twice with Saudia mana and most Salah also on the scoresheet Liverpool the 2nd in group a a point behind Napoli now Salzburg Chelsea boss Frank Lampard says he is delighted with every element of their performance offer one nil win away to x. Chelsea top of Group b. He backs why with their goal Steve Evans says it's frustrating to see the number of jeering in players making individual mistakes which are costing the team results his comments coming off the jewels were denied a 1st away win of the campaign in return for back to draw one wall on Choose day night the result means joining them have now dropped 11 points from winning positions in League One this season is different people whose issue Genesis making it difficult for us if it's a simpler mix that continually makes the same mistakes as easy put them on a train set of a fortune and let him stay there for a week of problems but when it's different while it's concentration at the Rugby World Cup England head coach Eddie Jones says he expects have a fully fit squad when he named his 23 today George Ford is expected to face New Zealand in their semi final having been dropped to the bench for the quarter final win over Australia and to go phone by Stephen toddies made a good start the open on the challenge to a 3 under par after 7 holes in China the leader under par the man the clubhouse lead that is well. 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To write this task right so our job to tell the truth as best as we can to deliver it in the most chance so the reader will see what the Domine King show this evening from 6 b.b.c. Radio can and right now it's the wake up call on b.b.c. Radio can't with an accent time is just approaching quarter to 8 stick around fake news all the way producer Michael will be here with 2 stories one of them true one of them completely and utterly fabricated Let's see if we can work out which is which before the news that I mentioned bubbles bubbles his donkey and Bubbles has broken a record because she is the world's oldest donkey I asked how old he thought she might be a rash is way out she 60 is out there and that doesn't sound a lot in human terms but donkeys normally live between 25 and 30 so that's like a human living to 200 really isn't it if you think about it. So she's celebrating and she's having a cake with carrots on the top and looking at the cake haven't put 60 on the cake so see that would be a bit much but she's having a nice nibble of the carrots there and apparently she's very placid So that would be perhaps if you were to ask her in an interview her secret to longevity being placid being calm as a donkey she does look courageous now says Our owner but she's still young at heart probably I think that's probably accurate I'm looking at a picture of bubbles and she looks a little bit old that's probably a kind way to do it but you know she's 16 she's a donkey so fair play to her and a quick quote from Richard that made me laugh this morning I was talking earlier about rats learning to drive tiny cars because that's also in the news today which it says this I'm a cat lover but my wife is a dog lover obviously this is an ingrained source of conflict between the take I asked her the animal driving question as in which animal is that to drive she said dogs I replied rats and then she had a go at me for calling dogs rats if you cleared that one up her quite so rigid that can cause a marital problems there is the wake of b.b.c. Radio Kent if he text as well 133 Start your message with the word can't right now though it's aids tending to a very different story about grammar schools in Kent do you think we need more places essentially because we found out that Tunbridge Wells boys grammar revealed it was planning on expanding into an an excited in Sevenoaks Now that's 11 miles away from the main school and campaigners are not happy they claim it's trying to open a new grammar by the back door however supporters say look we need more places we need more selective places this is the only way to do it so it's not legal to open a new tax payer funded selective school but the existing wheels of Kent girl school in Tunbridge was allowed to open a satellite facility at the 7 excite in 2017 So essentially they're saying it is parts of the same school and now the time which was grammar school for boys Alex could open. In September 2021 so let's discuss this now if humans were to see that Michael Pike he's from the campaign for state education but fast that took to the conservative m.p. For 7 exam Michael Fallon who joins us now and that's nice so Mike what you make of this well it's potentially very exciting we've got a girls an x. In Sevenoaks but there are still far too many boys who had gained up and down by train or by bus from Sevenoaks down to Tunbridge in term bridge wells and obviously to have an annex in 7 it would make a lot of sense save a lot of time and money is a bit sneaky Is it trying to do something by the back door here certainly isn't that a back door it's going to be extremely extremely public the campaign to get the girls are next to nearly 20 years of music stream republics are nothing but a back door here let me take you take my point that it would have to be approved by the sector states it can be done by the back to NY but what I mean is this new grandma by the back door you know I'm not saying that in a going to get planning permission or anything like that but it's essentially what you need 78 season is a whole new school isn't it just a little satellite that instead Well you know 1st of all with 7 x. Was the only district in cat which is a grammar school system we were the only district will have to grammar school and so will having to ship boys and girls north to the Wilmington schools also to the Tom Ridge and Tom Ridge where schools Secondly and the school can expand and we have a mixture of schools across the county the people can choose from they can choose from academies free schools or whatever I mean you can say only going to schools should not be allowed to expand we've got a growing population we need more places and a grammar schools in time to expand like any other school yet it's only unusual expansion that is normally an expansion happens at a site very nearby Of course this is 11 miles away well it'll be an addict sound it will be up to the section up to the school to have to justify how they would work it how they could manage both sites to make sure there's a profit to reclaim it on. On both sides but in the end of the up to the secretary state to decide whether or not to approve it indeed and of course I mentioned that this is happened already with the wheels of Kent girl school that was allowed to happen in an excited that you know is that working the teachers going up and down right here is easy to kind of coming together yes some it's been going for a couple of years it's going very successfully the downstream demand and everybody in 7 are saying to me why can't we do the same for boys while a so many boys travelling wasting all this time tearing up and on the trains or on buses when when they could be simply walking or game school you know just a few 100 yards from where they live given that do you think that this new An explosion at the go ahead or certainly hope so we've got provision for boys going to school in Sevenoaks the site is there Can't of said they can find the funding it would be next door to the girls' school it would make a huge amount of sense and it would be very very popular Michael if you want to stay there I want to talk for a moment Michael pike you as I mentioned is for the campaign for state education and has been listening to that the very positive thoughts there from some Michael fallen Would you agree that this is this is necessary. Necessary. Suppression be surprised that a conservative m.p. Gets excited about looking to the past if you can't account for the never done any education research or even read any they wouldn't be doing this they wouldn't be wasting public money on expanding a system that's out of date and discredited which doesn't do any of the things that it claims or it never has done and which causes a huge amount of problem distressed parents and children in primary schools but many Why shouldn't people who live in 7 eggs have a grammar school education well can should have grammar schools a top and then assisting is a grammar school education it's a myth the quality of education in grammar schools is no no better than the same education given to children of the same ability in comprehensive Why are you angry about that. Because it's a waste of public money because it helps to perpetuate a failing system is more about social prestige and if you think of the things claim to grammar schools the problems of grammar schools don't do any better university at Oxbridge and Russell schools actually do worse than the policy of comprehensive schools in terms of degree classes that don't promote social mobility they didn't even do that in the heady days of the postwar period if you don't do it now I believe in Kansas the average number of children or Jubal who map in regards deprived is about 17 percent of the population the proportion of deprived children can grammar school 'd is 2 and a half percent. And. You think of the amount of money spent by middle class can parents on private children think of the anxiety generates in the children and think of the setback on the loss of mulch evasion and loss of self-esteem for the children who fail the can test disappointing their parents and then the teachers are teaching the less well funded less well resourced secondary modern schools is the alternative whatever they call themselves they have to pick up the pieces of material to say don't do any better if you create a grammar school that is neither is not good for the other schools then they must be doing well it's meant to do with the schools. To educational outcomes are largely a matter of family background etc etc etc Well nothing to the schools is not a system is the family of course well we know from those research that 85 percent of exam results and similar are down to family background and only 15 percent is down to schools given Alas the case why put children through the middle of the 11 plus exam which causes absolutely massive trauma you know there are people in the 6th. 67 now who still too traumatized for having us back in the day to be honest we all feel traumatized by school exams are going to close that what what what what cause all that stress and tension from it when it doesn't achieve anything it produced a better education system than you might try and justify and say well it's far no and there's a point I'm a family there is no one leading educational jurisdiction anywhere in the world regularly comes high up in programs and it's just a comparison that uses this kind of system have to be a reason Ok Mike but your points are very clear so will do so just put those back to some fun and he heard what you had to say he says our system so Michael is outdated and it needs to change when it's extremely popular that's the point is missed it's extremely popular with parents which are different parties not just to conservatives saying we had a liberal Labor coalition running Kent in the late 1990 s. They didn't try and change it because they know that support it if you move to came from another area you know you again into a grammar school system there are other countries right around the world you selection in Germany the selection there's nothing unusual about selection on academic ability different children have different attitudes and in the end it should be parents who choose the grammar schools are extremely popular thank you both for joining us this morning great to have your thoughts and we'll keep on top of that story here a wake up call on b.b.c. Where they can't find out if that Onyx in fact will go ahead if you just joined us is the Tunbridge Wells Grammar School for Boys which could open an annex in 7 x. In 2021 Of course it's not the 1st time this has happened the wills of Kent girls' school in Tom Ridge was allowed to open a satellite facility in 7 x. That was in 2017 so I guess people looking about will think well it's happened before it could well happen again but thank you to Michael Fallon for his thoughts he's the conservative m.p. For 7 nights and also Michael pike there from the campaign for state. Education who's actually against the development I want to East End With you think actually yet we do need that facility in 7 eggs is not fat you've got boys and girls travelling to Tunbridge Wells or whether you think actually it's not just him shouldn't be happening atoll I can text 13 Don't throw a start your message with the word can't be getting in touch this morning about the tragic news that we're hearing about 39 people being found dead in the back of a lorry in Essex but says asylum seekers are meant for the fest's country they arrive in if we do I would that it's and that the request asylum in advance Surely that would mean even more would choose the u.k. Only what you think jelled is in Gravesend and he's caught us on this very topic thank you so much for calling out what you thought was morning or. Explaining in the past the British government co-founded with the color I autoroute see improvements in the security. Relationship the Euro Tunnel. Oh I think what we should be doing is co-founding with the French I saw in the same tranche so that when the sun seekers are found like the 9 from us that I only I'm trying to say in detail fake and straight for this asylum center where they would claim asylum from. The regional when it cost fund it is cheering help the French with the costs. That would avoid the situation where is one of your earliest speakers site when these people arrived but got rid of all the documents signed makes it harder to do is put them back side by duping courage to keep the documents because obviously they need to strengthen a client for asylum Secondly the solemn seekers who come in illegally should be same as asylum seekers or cheer jumpers because they're trying to jump the queue that people in the city. And over. I don't know it's a cost for us anyway when the charges. I mean because the facts point to minus a will be building it's would you say would still be happy to do it if we had to do more than one thing we should be sure it's from a humanitarian point of view and the people who go out there from this country to help the people in the jungle in places like that I'm sure of it in 5 or 8 because how could I argue against that yeah that's the point isn't it we will accept that you can't just say I think for you when you're foreign You can't change the people in the channel if I went straight back to France but function is a difference so you think of the money as side of us and it would cut it would actually be a deterrent for the people smugglers because then people would be pints wise because if they got caught on a charge the again they don't know exactly the same thing happened to them Yeah that's well so what about the cost we're citing on the people in this country we don't even try to deport. People out several 100 little come to kind of the last year such money in the long term it might be a big cost up front so why would we spend all that money incurring the 1st by saying situation that's well thought through Thank you for sharing with us this morning in the wake up call on b.b.c. Radio Kent thank you having heard that I wonder whether you would agree which I would buy the thing that is exactly what we need to do we need to build that center in France right away cofounded on all this will get it done and then what people won't need to do is resign lives in the back of lorries they won't need to risk their lives on small boats because they can also resign them before they get to the channel under 756 double one double one if you want to respond to what you've had this morning and heard people talk about big bug areas still this morning Linda suggested that's where they'd come from we don't know at the moment and then someone else said one thing is that it's in the East so they wouldn't have to smuggle in but Alex has tweeted and says Paul Gary is in the 8 but it's not in the Shang an area it's not in the zone of free movement he says but yeah at the moment we don't. Know where those people have come from We'll keep up to date with that though for you on the wake up call on b.b.c. Radio can't and we'll have more after 8 o'clock this morning but it's just approaching 8 o'clock which can only mean one thing. I want you to know that we are fighting a fake news. So yes it is a very important task that we have this morning producer Michael is here is going to squeeze into news stories before the news we need to work out which one is in fact true so that great band you choose Yeah. Who could forget exactly Well of course new single coming out on November the 23rd and founds fear it might not quite be the you today used to what a new single is called If You Don't duck you're rather stuck. Don't ask me are doing all the sass and Dave so. You're rather stuck found out of the minute you 2 got a bit mad here I think is pretty lost the plot slightly so you started tearing into a carry on. Jagger. Piers Morgan now identify himself on the back of this whole Sam Smith radio as a true spirit penguin. Just sort of make me feel really can do you want to even worse he's been dogged by President Trump so please Morgan is now too spirited Penguin I think he's being a bit facetious saying you know he's a proper penguin now he identifies as a to be spirit penguin Well he suffered during. One of these fake How mad is this. Now you know still dreaming the time now is I think Clarke on b.b.c. Radio and it's Thursday the 24th of October let's get the late his knees now with remain good morning police investigating the deaths of 39 people whose bodies were found in a lorry trailer in Essex have searched 2 properties in county the driver he's believed to be from Portadown remains in custody in 2050. Chinese migrants were found suffocated to death in a lorry at Dover the chief executive of the Joint Council for the welfare of immigrants such b.s. Singh gave his reaction to the wake up call on b.b.c. Radio Kent devastating it's heartbreaking I mean firstly 9 call all of whom had some sort of hope or dream or fear just no longer alive and their families may never know where they are what happened we may never know who they are or where they came from it's just such a tragedy Meanwhile 15 people were found travelling in the back of 2 lorries on the m 20 in Kent yesterday causing problems on the motorway that lost it into the evening the London bound carriageway was closed between Ashford and Leeds Castle as paramedics carried out health checks the people have now been passed on to immigration officers Downing Street sources have dismissed reports of disagreements within the cabinet either how to move forward with Bracks It's Boris Johnson has indicated he will push for a general election if he's forced to accept a bricks and extension but it's understood some ministers want to focus on getting his breaks it deal 3 parliament a shop owner from joining him who deliberately caused a huge explosion that injured 81 people has been sentenced to 20 years in prison Pascal Blasio business near Liverpool was on the verge of bankruptcy in 2017 when he carried out what was described in court as an insurance job gone wrong Assistant Chief Constable Natalie Sheen is from Merseyside Police Pascoe class c.e.o. Is a remorseless calculates it and unscrupulous individual throughout the tyrant's copies of the investigation has displayed absolutely no remorse no thought for the lives devastated the 7 example he is welcoming the news that the town could get a new grammar school annex for boys Tunbridge Wells boys grammar is following in the footsteps of the wheels of Kent by planning to expand to meet the demand for more selective places in the area campaigners claim it's exploiting a loophole in a band with a new tax payer funded selective schools. Something which So Michael Fallon denies it's potentially very exciting we've got a girls attics and 7 outs but there are still far too many boys who are dead and up and down by train or by bus from Sevenoaks down to Tunbridge and some bridge wells and obviously to have an attic in Sevenoaks would make a lot of sense save a lot of time and money the British Red Cross has announced it's to stop providing 1st stated events such as marathons and festivals as part of a cost cutting drive the charity says the move will save around $1800000.00 pounds a year and Coldplay of apparently revealed the track list for their latest album in the classified ads of a local newspaper the ad which appeared in The Daily Post yesterday listed 16 tracks and Sas alongside others offering a fridge freezer bales of hay and a different bed for sale now Matt Cole has this bill in a way double for the English teams in the Champions League Liverpool 41 victories in Belgium against game called Chelsea go top of their group with a one nil win that i.x. Joining him boss Steve Evans says individual errors are costing his team is problem is different players making the mistakes the England head coach Eddie Jones is expects I'm a fully fit squad to chooses 23 from to take on New Zealand in the Ruby will Cup semifinal on Saturday that team should be allowed some outs later this morning and one by Steve entirely makes a good start to the for Shannon.