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Including come Odum a film review after he said his performances I can absolutely no one needs to do jokes and so did I was wrong and 5 Life's full daily we have to watch Liverpool and musée almost become more Arsenal and United once one downloaded free p.c. Sounds and then you see a ratio unfold casts. On am and f.m. Around the u.k. On digital and online Raj shot more appalled by. David Boeri never made it to his induction into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame that was in 1996 when he was interrupted by Madonna but even that wasn't enough to get along Cleveland Ohio this year's inductees to the Hall of Fame will be announced from a short list which had just been published again it's an eclectic group and includes some for whom the short list isn't their 1st rodeo longer for. Wrote a speculative song title for which he couldn't supply a. Well we're getting ever closer to finding out. In Cleveland Ohio because if you've ever been there as far the convention the Republican convention and 2016 you'll be able to visit one of the great institutions of the United States the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as well as being a museum it's also about of honor for an artist to be inducted into it you have to be voted on the nomination list for trying to tried to has just been announced it includes artists like this. Well I think that's been pretty much getting away from me I think I may I think I'm on the failing side of that particular contest but I did pick up the passion mood Motorhead and Whitney Houston and joining us now is the director and president and c.e.o. And fight of the rock n Roll Hall of Fame Greg had a solo Greg. There are very very well it's great to have you with us. You probably did a lot better than me. You know as I was listening I was thinking just never did this Monteith. Of all these artist I think just about all of them did get Soundgarden. Work. Done Kraftwerk are mixed in there. But I. Know the nominees that we announced today we haven't 16 artists were nominated for. The ballot for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame have fabulous Well you're going to have to tell us how that all works but. The list as you said includes Soundgarden craftwork who you know the kind of people in the know Lovecraft or art Tibet's right now do you think they've got a chance of actually getting in this year I think what happens is to be nominated. It's strickly those guns that are in Pascoe influential and every artist could every electronic artist large craft work and as the forefathers of that it's appropriation being out going against them as they've been nominated 5 times already once nominated the Dow It goes out to a voting body and will announce the results in January but let's hope this is the band highly intellectual who are your voting body is it now honorees is it people who have been inducted previously. That's the largest bloc of voters so it is the themself and the belief is that you you judge the merits of your peers so there's about a 1000 voters they get the ballots. Most of them are the living inductees rabbits votes and Roberts because of the care will vote this year Brian said it will vote this year and Bruce Springsteen votes and then there's some historians a few clicks of the well and the results come back in the top 5 getters are elected there's also a component for fans to go online if they go to Google and just type in Rock Hall votes or type in any of these nominate names they class their ballot and they can vote every day from now until January who the who they'd like to see what sort of weight to give to that 5 vote it's. You know if it's not a one to one waiting it counts with we tally up all the Senate votes and they count for a couple composite ballots in the bigger hole but the margin of error is certainly of the clean there is that elected in addition last year the top 5 winners in the sand voted 4 of those top 5 were elected in the regular vote as well so it's it's directional to. Know who's who's new to the list the share of undocumented nominees so this year there are 16 nominees and there's 9 that have never been nominated before we can run through it as Pat Benatar It's her 1st time on the ballot. Agave Matthews Band It's their 1st time on the ballot good Doobie Brothers 1st time Whitney Houston 1st time. Then we have Motorhead is on for the 1st time hip hop artist in the Tour e.s.p.n. Is on for the 1st time Soundgarden 1st time t. Rex the good Irish dancing Lizzy. You know that surprised me particularly that T.-Rex and Thin Lizzy have been nominated before it is a little too. Very important Van Hoorn included so I think that Prince and with Peter as with Mark Boal it's just such a agrees a clear cut short. And I think that. You know the they just have not made the ballot it doesn't mean they weren't talked about in the nominating committee they just never made the ballot. And who sits on the nominated committed to sign up change from year to year. It changes a little bit I bought I'm lucky enough to be on it there's a bell 30 people and it's a combination of music journalist historians but also some of these missiles a musicians that are well versed in the history of rock and also a girl from the Foo Fighters and their bond is on the committee Quest Love of The Great band The Roots Steven Van Zandt some mystery banding Tamburello for a chance to see some of the artists. We each can nominate to and there's the rounds of voting in the room and we come out of it with a ballot of approximately 15 that are nominated for an election. These are some great people you've got to tell morale is terrific I have a good and tidy 16 frailer in Cleveland or and it was in Philadelphia they were doing a big a big week of you know political music and it was pretty interesting they are and you know he is amazing musician in a great activist and. That all rock and roll underneath it is political and he is a great advocate for the history of rock and roll in a passionate belief in those that have adopted the art form Yeah so. I know you know what fun it has to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and his wonder and you know look at Jimi Hendrix's guitar and so on are you are you getting screwed to a new generation you know to people who are used to doing their own samples you know and sitting in their own bedroom and making their own music yeah you know I have kids like that my very house and what we've done is it's pretty incredible in July we opened a brand new exhibit at the museum it's an entire 2nd it's called the garage and you can go in and play guitars you can play keyboards you can play drums you can jam with each other. And these are real instruments or Les Pauls and tele strata casters. Martin guitars and Gibson guitars it's a wonderful engaging space that's one thing that we we have seen immersive theatre when you're here and I'm not sure it was open when you were here but we have a brand a theater that has these massive screens on all of the great highlights from the ceremonies you want to remember it ends with Prince playing a guitar solo for one of my guitar gently weeps and. It's so just making it more engaging and all museums are are working on ways to to create immersive engaging experiences and there's there's nothing more powerful than the power of rock'n'roll was got a great leg up and we provide a really good time at the beach and the the other thing the mention is if visitors come in the summertime odds are there's going to be a live band playing right on our clouds outside and for us that's part of the experience it's not just extra it very much right in the center of our mission which is to engage 'd teach inspire through the power of rock n roll Greg House President c.e.o. Of the rock n Roll Hall of Fame Greg thank you so much. It's my pleasure have a great I'm excited to hear the play we got with because you know the way. Well I think we just might here goes. To. Be able to say but the courage to say of David Bowie inductee and the rock n Roll Hall of Fame are we really ready for life on Mars NASA believe the truth is I there and they are sending 2 rovers to modernise with the European Space Agency to find go to Jim Greene is a NASA scientist who has optimistic that we're not alone but still cautious what he thinks will be a Copernicus moment I hope Dr Greene wrote We're not putting words in your mouth no rod that's exactly right you know. We haven't found any evidence but the evidence we have found on Mars is just tremendously intriguing and points to the planet that you know its past was a blue planet just like the Earth is today and in that area where Curiosity is water flow and you could drink the water if microbes were in that water whether they were from Earth and we put in there or whether you know the day they grew on Mars they would reproduce and evolve just. Like what we would call life so. It's just a really exciting time in the 2 new Rovers March 2020 which we will rename soon and also east as Axel Mars are gonna go after the next set of exciting questions on Mars about where life might be if it is there Wow Well look tell us about the water because you've got plenty of evidence no for water haven't you somewhere yeah indeed so when we landed curiosity we realized we landed it in a sediment area and that means that you know like water stood there for a while and and material filtered through the water fell onto the the floor of of this massive lake and and then crust and in that then that water over time even slows we even see a conglomerate of the ground in pebbles stuck together in a particular corner that they're clearly illustrates just like in any stream that you might find that no longer has water it is rounded pebbles and you're cumulated them in an area and that's what we see on Mars so we know this area had plenty of water and here on Earth where there is water we find life. The trouble is when you're looking at that it's kind of spooky isn't it because there could have been water there thousands and thousands of years ago well it would be billions of years ago so we must adjust our scene team our planets are evolving they're going through a variety of changes that are occurring you know as I said Mars was a blue planet at one time and now we think even Venus was and and today as humans look out these are 2 very different planets that have evolved you know study in those planets tells us a lot about the physical process. So here on earth you know in fact you know the ozone hole when that was 1st sound scientists were scrambling around trying to figure out how that was occurring and they turned to Venus were a series of papers had come out years and years before talking about how chlorine was destroying ozone on Venus and so that we mediately turned our attention to things that were chlorine based and that's what the 1st scene c.f.c. Is chlorine scoring for all carbons and so that was the culprit we got it. And so I go compare Louisiana just to knowing about Venus but again the water is not there now and yeah are you still think there could be something somewhere Ok. You're caught you're the water is not there now it's yes it's not on the surface but no it is inside the plant and plenty of it and so we we believe there's underground AAPL for is we've actually found what we believe is a large lake feature. In the some southern hemisphere we've used radar to find it and it's a fair amount of water. And it has to be it has to be water after all the conclusions and things that we've studied it seems that it's the best so that means there's probably Ungar underground aquifers and where there are you know that may mean there's extant life there today re just don't know we don't know so are you expecting you know expect near the rage so you would expect carbon based life forms would you if you found anything however microscopic. Well you know years and years ago we asked there are astrobiologist DIMIA definition of life in Iran the concept there was I was head of planetary science for 12 years at NASA so we were putting the instruments together we needed to know what we needed to go out measure so they got together and after quite a while it was quite a bit of debate they came back and they were so proud to tell me they have a definition of life I said What is it is life has 3 attributes it metabolizes it reproduces and it evolves now I am really happy and I was really sad because I can't measure evolution nor can I manes your reproduction but I could go after the metabolism in the sense that what metabolism is all about is where you take water and food ingest it the water's the solvent teases out the energy in the food and then is used to eliminate the waste acid you have to have a liquid so now you know at that time we then said Ok let's go after the water so we can put in a program called Follow the water Ok. And so that's what we've been doing ribbon going after places where there was there there is what her thoughts are on you fire near your aquifer in your underground lake. So yeah but we haven't gotten in them yet have gotten into the lake and now yeah yeah so what they're trying to get so let's say 2020 for example is going to drill down a road and put you know where when is a breakthrough moment Ok Ok so it's designed to core rock right so it's got an. Ace cylindrical like. Blade that then cores into the rock we break it off and we pull out a chunk like a piece of chalk for kids that don't know a truck is this sort of like a fat crayon Ok and then we sleeve it in metal and drop it on the ground so that other rovers perhaps even from other nations can go and pick those up take them over to an ascent vehicle through which then we would bring them back now why is the rock record important so the rock record on Earth tells us the evolution of the earth it tells us what's happened in the past it tells us the magnetic field flips it tells us above this region we have no dinosaurs it tells us all kinds of stuff about the history of Earth therefore if we get a rock record from Mars it will tell us how Mars went from a planet to the arid planet we think could I would know liquid water on the surface so that's important because it went through massive climate change we don't know how fast it did it whether did it very slowly or very quickly and we don't really understand all the mechanisms that might it contributed to that Ok so those are going to be important now what else can we find from the rock record well on earth there's 4700 minerals. In Sri 100 of them can only be made if you have life and so therefore life when the environment gets goes into the rocks lives and dies and becomes minerals for which then the rock record may tell us that Mars had life in its past so the rock record is really important for us. But isn't this I hate to say this isn't I know it's scientifically fabulous and tremendously exciting it's also depressing isn't it to chronicle the history of a planet that was a blue planet and isn't not over its Vista digital life that you're looking for. So we don't look at it as. A sad event we look at it as part of understanding that evolution the earth evolves to what's happened on Venus can happen on earth what's happening on Mars can happen on Earth we now recognize the importance that these 2 major Trishul dieties Mars in Venus has to in Storm us about the evolution of our own Earth we know that Nina's was a blue planet at one time that's what the that's what the indications are from the observations we've made and it appears from the modeling that we've done that 'd it only went into a runaway greenhouse effect in about the last 880000000 years Ok now that's a long time ago but Venus like Earth is 4600000000 years or so Ok So that means in its recent past Mark Venus could you know couldn't harbored life for long periods of time before it went through this runaway greenhouse so how we know about the earth is many of our scientists in the late eighty's and into the ninety's took their Venus codes and brought them to Earth and then modified them too to match the environment of the earth today and then modified that environment in the computers by adding c o 2 over time and found that the earth then it's temp which are would increase Now what's important is you know how much how fast that occurs in Roy happens next so what we've learned them about potential evolution of our own planet is based on what we see from these other planets. It's a I still find it alarming I mean you know Elon Musk and a bunch of his rich friends are getting ready to to flee the you know and live in some kind of a you know space tent on the moon or something but but for a majority of people the news that there was life there isn't no because of a runaway greenhouse effect wouldn't be exactly cheering well. I would rather know that I would rather know 'd how our planet is evolving and the physical processes that are responsible for that. You know I can tell you you know we talk a lot about climate change I'm a planetary scientists and I can tell you this the climate on this earth has done nothing but change Ok we in the past have had an enormous amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and then it went to radically went down as the oxygen shot up I mean it's gone through these abs and flows and has climate cycles and so we've been studying those things those are important for us to be able to understand what will happen to the future of the earth when we look at past civilizations we used to think well economic strong. Social will strive for or fighting neighbors cause these civilizations to die when in reality it might be climate change it might be the changing climate patterns on earth that of eradicated civilizations in the past wouldn't you like to know that I'm going to lie to that Yeah well there's there's now there's now there's now in several universities courses on climate history in and it's not in it and it's all about matching the history that we know with understanding the changes in the climate 10000 years ago elephants walked across the Sahara because it was it was not a desert it was a forest was streams 10000 years ago there were glaciers in New York and when they receded we ended up with the Great Lakes. Understanding the evolution of this planet you know even though as we as humans have are on this planet a wink of the AA in terms of the amount of time that our planet has lived but we want to know how how this planet will evolve so that we can adapt to it. Now also on the flip side of that is you know there's many of us in our now I'm one of these that believe that we must be a multi climate species Ok we're the 1st species on this planet that have the ability to lead it the solar system is ours let's explore it together as as humanity and this is why the to me the exciting thing about so many other nations getting involved in the space program and we're working hard making bilateral arrangements where we're Isa has a fabulous Rover and NASA has instruments on it and in Mars 2020 has instruments from Spain and Norway you know and we're going to continue. These kind of collaboration's because that's what science does it brings it brings the best minds in the world together to tackle humanity's problems. Jim we're going to we're going to stop there but I really hope actually that you'll come back and and talk to us some more because the more you talk the more questions there are and the more I suppose the more the more excited than the more strangely already I feel for the news whatever the news is good to be so we must talk again my pleasure Let's do that thank you so much Dr James Rubin joining us from NASA who is optimistic about our future in our solar system as half past 3. On digital b.b.c. Sound must be coming this is b.b.c. Radio 5 live here with b.b.c. News camera chaser on to President drums met with the parents of Harry Dillon who was killed in a crash involving in a matter and Merican diplomats wife in Northam to ensure the ones house they turned down a chance to see and secure list's who was also there she returned to the us during the police investigation and the diplomatic community breaks its Orks we see in the u.k. 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Can still go and get married the Las Vegas his most famous wedding chapel earlier this year reports which you know I know to be a ruin us a marriage that the venue which offers 10 minute not chills and they saw the Rings being placed on the fingers involving Frank Sinatra Joan Collins and Britney Spears was on the market but nothing could be further from the truth Reverend Charlotte Richardson Sean a Little White Wedding Chapel for more than 60 years this morning she's vowing to carry on hello the Reverend Richards Well good evening how are you very well it's very very nice to to have you with us and I'm so pleased to hear you are but you're still going you know it's great I love you and I you know these people that come from all over the world to get married here in Las Vegas and I've done still many beautiful when he was star monies from your country and I would pray that they always come to me because I well I like to give real good to them and to let them know that they're really getting married and that is that is nothing to. Do be afraid of but it is something beautiful to be. Sure that they are always happy they'll always be happy was a lovely thought Tell me has the paperwork changed a tall I mean how simple is it to get moderate. Wedding Chapel unless Fagan's Well I like I said I've been to almost 60 years doing the weddings the 1st time I did a wedding it was $5.00 for a marriage certificate now today it's $77.00 Of course time has passed and so has the currency. And it there's no blood tests no waiting period they each one fill out a form with their name their age their address where they were born and if they've been married before and then the clerk types out the certificate for them and they get one and the minister gets one but the piece then the people come to the chapels and we perform the ceremony we ask of us they want flowers or photographs or video for a wedding gown or a limousine we have all of those services available and. Do but tend to do people tend to bring witnesses with some to they do they bring people with some to the siren sounds of some to some people too but most likely it's just a few people but that come maybe the bride and the groom and the family are sometimes they come from Europe with a lot of family people and friends so it's just entirely up to the couples because they come not only for getting married. But I think that the main object is the main thing is that they're going to get married and that's why they're coming to Las Vegas because it's inexpensive and it's a destination Las Vegas is one of the greatest cities in Las Vegas to get married and you know we we used to be open all night but as I told you earlier we. Close at midnight now and we open at 8 o'clock in the morning if you are not your boss available yourself all the time are you sure although I don't know no but I used to do I used to do 24 seventh's. No I don't I don't do that any more for her but I bet Have you been keeping a record how many weddings have actually performed. Oh I couldn't tell you that you know as a better fact I went into to the warehouse today to look at the boxes go I way back to the sixty's in the seventy's and I said I've I can't count these does it take me forever to count all of these. Anyway I have I don't have the number but it would take me just an awfully long time to coverage all the ceremonies and then we also do a lot of reviewing all of our people but married there 10 years ago 5 years ago 50 years ago and it's always wonderful when they can come to celebrate their wedding. On their anniversary and it's just a wonderful time and the words that are spoken in their own hearts are words that God gives to me and they're always very beautiful. Tell us a little bit if you if you would about a salad people who've been through. The Little White Wedding Chapel like like Frank Sinatra what it. Did Frank Sinatra motto which was to his wife may have Mia Farrow they didn't get married in the chapel they got married at the Sands Hotel which is no longer in existence but it was a wonderful ceremony all of his friends and other. Movie stars of course were there and it was it was lovely but Nola no fancy they didn't want nothing but just a ceremony and that's it and so there's a lot of people that don't want to have a marching down the aisle and. Saying me I love you truly They just want a playing wedding what about what Dr Judy Garland do you do you all really hard weddings. Oh that's it she got married in the chapel it's been so long ago but I still remember how beautiful she she was and how lovely she appeared to her purse a wonderful husband and which is a small slow wedding just a few people in and riding through and that's been a long long time ago though. I was one of our it was one of our our wedding so we were interested in of course because because of the movie that just came out Oh what is it that there will be about Judy Oh how wonderful I got I got to see that oh you must tell you absolutely that's yes yes. She was very much a lady and Mary bunch very much beautifully dressed no wedding gown she had a hat on and. A lovely suit and that's all I can remember other than they said I do. Know and I love. What you said top the wedding chapel Well there are other little wedding chapels in Las Vegas where you the 1st all of one of the 1st not the 1st there was. 60 years ago there were 3 that were wedding chapels and mine was one of them and. Now there's about 50 wedding chapels and but I've been the creative one I created the drive to Tunnel of Love where you can drive your car into a beautiful decorated tunnel that has beautiful lights and it has cherubs in the in the ceiling and. You can stay right in your car just hand the minister your license and we marry right then and there and then is. As you get your very slice and sent off into the wonderful world they are going to let them. Is that of a particular do a lot of people want to go home or drive through tunnel of love Oh I tell you it is very popular I've been the I've done up to 627 in one day and of course I'm a jetsetter I create things I'm the 1st one that created the drive to terms of love and not only that your beautiful country London England invited me to come into their country and tell me about. The drive ups and I found it just most nice to do that and. 6 we made a lot of people from Europe. Do you really get people coming by to see you who say to you it's our fault it's wedding on about 15 all weddings out of a really oh yes oh yes many many times and I tell them come back and renew your vows and and if I'm here I would be honored to. Personally. At no charge no charge so just because it only took 10 minutes it can stick it can really last yes yes it can and it doesn't matter homes homes many minutes it takes matters how many words you say and make be don't make believe make sure you're saying these words for a life time. For example when you take this woman to be your wife will you promise to love her and honor her for the rest of your life. I do will you take this man to be your husband will you promise to love him and honor him address back to him all the days of your life I do and then I say a little prayer with him and I say things. Becoming to each other be gentle with each other don't look back if any of the wrong things and I give them a vessel free of my love. Everybody gets a lover a love for us but does it taste good your love recipe Well I don't know it doesn't change it we don't need them. But the people enjoy them and especially those that have been married long time ago and before I had. Their renewal about us. And the. Lovers pour in on all of these different kinds of things I had to go Ok yes. Well we're where old we're all happy to hear the news that you're still in business. Who knows you know babies maybe you've given us a couple of people an idea. Please come to Las Vegas come to the beautiful Little White Wedding Chapel to love love and you will have a wonderful time you don't have to get married in a temple because we have a beautiful wedding chapel and the chandelier isn't and beautiful drapes and candles you know it's it's lovely it's lovely reverent Charlotte Richards a Little White Wedding Chapel in Las Vegas I keep up being a guest it's an honor to all of you be blessed if you're married to stay married love each other for ever and ever be good and kind to your parents your family your children and especially your life your wife or your husband. Especially And you. Well news no from the rain forest and in particular the largest area of tropical forests that remains north of the Imus in the Maya Biosphere Reserve in Guatemala is a hot spot for the forest station but the huge bits of it where there hasn't been highly any since the year 2000 it's possible that they may be facing some threats though Marc Maron is the director for the Rain Forest Alliance in Latin America he knows the biosphere is very well and I asked him to begin by explaining how big it is for example anything to do with whales. I hope you don't mind if I do use Wales because it's about precisely the same size though. So for context here the Maya bios series oeuvre sits in northern Guatemala it's the majority it's a significant chunk of Guatemala's total national territory it's about $2100000.00 hectares so well over $4000000.00 acres and it sits right in the heart of the Mayan Forest which is the 2nd largest tropical rainforest in the Americas one of the most significant remaining Rainforest Alliance rainforests globally and you nailed it it's you know for u.k. Listeners it's about the size of Wales Good Grief is it then all original forest I mean it's not really been ever harvested and re grown or anything like that well you know it's interesting it is the cradle of Mayan civilization so for hundreds of years if not thousands of years it has been subject to use by local peoples there are many of the areas in that forest that are pristine and have not been touched there are also many that have been extensively intervened for centuries and you would never know it because it's a lot of it's grown back to person forest today or it's managed under incredibly high standards for international sustainability and that of course is is the scheme the that we're going to talk about but in terms of pressure on it I mean what are the pressures on those pristine rain forests and. Yeah it's an excellent question. Pretty much everything you can imagine so will draw a very stark picture and contrasts here and I hope that that you and some of your visitors some of your audience can visit the reserve one day and see these community concessions but basically there's a section of the reserve that's managed by communities that as I mentioned looks like very pristine untouched tropical rainforest and much of the rest of it is on fire or has been converted to oil plum plantations or cattle pasture and a lot of that is driven by narco trafficking activity quite frankly so you know a lot of the same challenges that you find in many kind of forest frontin or areas in the tropics you also find in the Maya bio series are. It's difficult for the government to provide services because it's a very remote area you know remote areas tend to be way points for narco trafficking all the way up through the Americas so there's a lot of lawlessness there's not very many licit activities and of course there's a tremendous amount of deforestation. Stemming from these kinds of things so it's a How does and has the Maya Biosphere Reserve managed to survive and even prosper with all these pressures around it. Yeah it's an excellent question and certainly I think the degree of conservation success within the Maya bias here is or is it varies a lot depending on who is managing the land right. So about 500000 hectares or a little less than a quarter of the reserve is managed by communities and let me just step back and tell you a little bit of a story about that if I may. You know imagine it's the late ninety's and you have been living in the middle of this very remote forest area where your family has for a couple decades and quite Amal is just emerging from a brutal you know multi decade civil war. And the country and you are looking to turn a new page right so the Guatemalan government makes a big bet on its natural patrimony on its forests and establishes this amazing Biosphere Reserve that we're talking about one of the largest in the in the region if not the whole world and as part of that what was even more incredible was the Guatemalan government betting on the communities that live there and saying you know what we believe in you you can manage this land sustainably you can lift yourselves out of poverty by doing so we believe that you are the best forest guardians of this amazing international resource and they established concessions right so they granted land and resource rights to a cluster of communities within a core area of the reserve again that's not the entire reserve. But about 2020 percent of it more or less and this was an incredibly contentious decision you know back in the late ninety's I mean there were there was. There is tremendous pressure tremendous outcry a lot of people said you know what that's great you just kiss that forest goodbye congratulations they were because they expect that they did have a latest go in there and and to get older they just didn't believe it that's exactly right and so now you know there's 0. Over 22 years of data and I have to take my hats off and I hope everyone as they become more familiar with the story will take their hats off to the community Forestry Association a station that the 10 community leaders community members and a lot of the other organizations that have been supporting this process in the long term because it's truly become one of the best in class models for sustainable forest management tropical conservation the world so how about 22 years in what is this model it's empowering local people to manage their resources and become thriving forest entrepreneurs' and use what's in the forest it's like a pharmacy it's not just tree species it's a collection of some of the most valuable timber species in the world that for example get sold into high end guitar necks that bands like Maroon 5 use it's palm fronds that you see in churches in the spring for Palm Sunday that are distributed widely across the u.s. It's decking and floorboards for outdoor furniture companies in Europe like Leroy Merlin it's a it's this abundance of products that communities through their business savvy and support and experience have been able to you know lift themselves up by their bootstraps build these international linkages to markets in Europe in the United States and elsewhere and use that to drive you know incredible progress on forest protection and on poverty alleviation Well look it's just a wonderful way then to stay at home and make a living and have your natural forest still all around you so why should it be under threat no. That's exactly right it's this you know so if we come back to that seminal moment when the Guatemalan government said hey you know what we bet on you right we trust you you can manage these lands you can manage these resources and it was done under this figure of a concession right a concession is similar to. You know renting your apartment right someone else owns the apartment you get to rent it for an amount of time you know and then you negotiate with your landlord to return renew your rice at least yes I mean we're familiar with leases particularly in the English property system so that's what they had the other lease on the phone asst So the lease is there for a 25 year period and is the 1st were established in the very late 1990 s. Early to thousands they are now coming up for renewal and that is the crux moment that we find ourselves in today. So they were it not going to get the least renewed if they'd been such excellent husband of the forest and looking after the well well that's right as so as you can imagine Rod you know if you're not sure where you're going to be living it's going to be quite. A lot of trepidation and a lot of concern right and justifiably so because we're literally talking about you know the future of these communities land resource rights their businesses who inherits these businesses if it all into the future what's the role of their kids in these businesses so naturally there's a lot of concern you know I must say the Guatemalan government has done a phenomenal job of supporting this process quite recently the kind of operational guidelines for how you actually renew these leases these concessions was published by The National protected area Thore which is quite a major milestone really clarifies you know how you do this what documentation you need if you're a community business or if you're a community owner if you're a concession owner who you need to engage with what the process is who takes those decisions and as basic as this may sound all of it was unclear until quite recently so that's already a you know a landmark milestone and a lot of momentum is building Nonetheless as you can imagine. Look there's only so many large intact blocks of tropical forests left in the world there are always special interest groups who want to piece of that So what you're seeing and this isn't new but the the moment in time is what's new is a whole lot of pressure and a whole lot of momentum from some special interest groups that are really trying to drive major for example infrastructure projects to drastically expand road access or very large scale tourism initiatives that it's not at all clear how these types of initiatives can co-exist with community land and resource rights and in fact in many ways undermines them. And so when this environment of uncertainty and you know looking at this expiration date for these concession contracts and not yet seeing them renewed. There's a lot of concern out there. Playing . This c.b.c. Radio. 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