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but what comes next once the iraqi city is reclaimed? and new jersey's governor is feeling the heat. it's bad enough to close a beach on a holiday weekend — it's another thing to then show up relaxing in the sand. welcome to 100 days+. i'm katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. emmanuel macron is either a self—styled napoleon who's far too regal for the french republic or he's a political genius who's going to restore both dignity and prosperity to the country. take your pick. after a grand state of the union session at versailles, the new french president has been called both. in a break with tradition, the president summoned the joint houses of parliament to versaille, to hear a 90 minute address. in the speech, he said the european union had lost its way, and the state of emergency will be lifted this autumn. he also told the lawmakers he wants to slash their numbers by one third. translation: so far, too often, we have taken the wrong path. we have preferred procedures to results, regulations to initiatives, turned our society to a society ofjustice, and i think by its recent choices, our people is asking us to follow a radically new path. and i refuse, as faras i am concerned, to choose between ambition and spirit ofjustice. i refuse to accept that to create equality, we should give up excellence, or to succeed, we should give up the idea of giving everybody a part to play. we'rejoined here in london by peter ricketts, the former uk ambassador to paris. do you think that this is a president who is redefining the position at the moment? yes, i think he has thought very carefully about this. he has smashed the mould, and how this. he has smashed the mould, and now he wants to change the idea of what the french president is. he thought his lead assessor, francois hollande, was to showbiz, and he wants to give back to the presidency somebody like charles de gaulle. and i think he thinks that this is what french people want. no better place to instil some of that majesty and mystique than versailles, but the difficulty is that there is a large section on the left that do not particularly like that approach. here is a picture of a french newspaper has cast as jupiter, here is a picture of a french newspaper has cast asjupiter, the idea that he is far too regal for the position. there is a risk and what he is doing, because he can go too far. he sensed that the mould was fragile, he smashed and now he is going to rebuild it. putting himself a very high up as president, but also trying to ruthlessly cut the size of parliament, introducing proportional representation, simple fine lawmaking, getting on with the task of reform. and all this jupiter president stuff will be fine if he can deliver. it is one thing to have fantastic can deliver. it is one thing to have fa ntastic style, can deliver. it is one thing to have fantastic style, to revive the dignity of the office of the president. he is still got to do something that has been almost impossible for any of his predecessors, to reform the french economy, and he said today that the french leaders stop living off the public purse over fairness. to break that social contract is good to be extremely difficult, whatever his stylus. it is, he has got to get unemployment down. as long as i can member working unemployment down. as long as i can memberworking in unemployment down. as long as i can member working in france, unemployment down. as long as i can memberworking in france, it unemployment down. as long as i can member working in france, it has been 10% or more, and the feeling is that too many people have been living on benefits. if he does not break it, he has got to at least show results, the fee does not do that in 12 or 18 months, then his efforts to redefine the presidency will look hollow. he needs to get reform in europe moving, but he first asked to show that he can reform france. several cabinet members had to leave early on in his term. he looked so full of hope, so golden, so different, are the concerns that he may not be so different after all? i think the result is that french people are saying, this guy is actually doing it. he said he wants to clean up politics, get away from corruption, and the first hint of any involvement with scandal, and people left. and he has filled them with new people, so it is a very new team. he is setting a very high moral standard. i think people will acce pt moral standard. i think people will accept that in france, because they we re accept that in france, because they were fed up with the previous political class. but this new team how political class. but this new team now has to get very going, and i do not think they have got long to go. peter and i used to talk a lot about nicolas sarkozy and francois hollande, and i wonder about how people perceive the presidency. it is most likely mixture between the queen and the prime minister. they missed out that has suddenly reappeared forjacques chirac, what was that about? partly it is the lapse of time, and partly he was a president that did not achieve a great deal but preserve the dignity and a gravitas, the ad and obviously keen for people. so mac rom is maybe onto something here. —— emmanuel macron. i think he thought that people thought french people were fed up with the class of politics for a generation or so. he has pulled back, he wants to talk not so much but let his actions speak. his actions today are very symbolic, but of course he can go too far. so far i think he has shown good judgment. it is fascinating. i want to make a mention of the official portrait that was released a few days ago. nothing is done by chance, this is a bit reminiscent of obama. the book just behind his hand is the memoirs of charles de gaulle, opened halfway through as if he has been reading it and just cast it aside. and it throws back to when he first came out in front of the louvre, looking like this fear with the pyramids behind him, the ode tojoy, the european anthem, everything is being very carefully calibrated in this presidency. nothing is being done by chance, no mistake that we are talking aboutjupiter and chance, no mistake that we are talking about jupiter and royalty chance, no mistake that we are talking aboutjupiter and royalty in the context at versailles today. that is how it is supposed to look. we talk about donald trump being the television president, but certainly the importance of image has clearly made its way into emmanuel macron's life as well, and like you say, he has a fantastic pr and messaging team. that photo you just showed, i am not sure how well that headline is good to go down, and it does reflect concerns among the friends that he is going to go too far, this is may have been one step too far, the event at versailles. we are going to talk about president trumping the moment, albeit treating that he is doing. —— all the tweeted. emmanuel macron is keeping a distance from the journalists. it is all going to be about whether he manages to reform the economy. there is nothing and no one that can stop president trump from tweeting. and often the target is the fake media. "at some point," he wrote on his twitter feed today "the fake news will be forced to discuss our greatjobs numbers, "strong economy, success with isis, the border & so much else!" the media actually does report on policy issues — we've done it a lot on this programme. the trouble is the message from the white house gets undermined by the messaging from the oval iphone. after the storm of criticism last week, mr trump reacted this way — "my use of social media is not presidential — "it's modern day presidential. make america great again!" he followed up with a meme that many of you will already have seen — a video of a wrestling match in which the president takes down a figure whose face is obscured by the cnn logo. here it is. oh, my god, what's going to happen? oh, my god! cnn responded on sunday — "it is a sad day when the president of the united states encourages "violence against reporters," a spokesperson said. joining us now to discuss it all is molly ball, politics reporter for the atlantic. in the white house's defence is that the scene we have just seen his fake wrestling, it is all entertainment, and liberals have not got a sense of humour. they should not see this in any way as an attack on the press. and similar to what the president himself said in the tweet, but you just quoted, the president has a unique way of communicating with the american people. his instinct is when he is attacked, he will punch back ten times harder, and that is what he is doing now. they see him as the victim of unfair attacks and is therefore attacking in return. this is not a widely shared view, even, i think, this is not a widely shared view, even, ithink, among republicans here in washington and among voters i have spoken to out in middle america. there is a real uneasiness with the president's sort of candour, you could see, and the outrageous things that he says. and his own lack of focus on the a lot of policy issues that you mention. it is fairto of policy issues that you mention. it is fair to say that you look at what is happening here in the united states, around the world, and you get the president tweeting about alias media figures, and the whole thing looks absurd at a time when there is a lot to deal with. —— vds media figures. isn't there a risk within the media, the american media has talked about little else for the last few days, itjust looks the resident would more out of touch with what american voters care about? it makes the president look more out of touch. if he thought the american people were interested in health care and tax reform, he could be tweeting about those things are giving large public addresses on those things, instead of being obsessed with this grudge match with the media. it may look outside the press look bad, but we are not on the ballot, we do not have to get re—elected, and we do not have to run the country. so if he wants to have a successful presidency when he is able to accomplish goals he has set out for himself and to get re—elected, his public image as the one at stake. his basis 3839%, like one at stake. his basis 383996, like it when he goes after the media. the polls i have seen have the number who approve of his tweeting is significantly lower than that. there isa significantly lower than that. there is a hard—core trump base who are loyal to him, and they say that when trump is attacked, they take it personally. they see it as an attack on them. i have likened it to the way that people are fans of their sports teams, and inspires that level of unreasonable devotion. there is literally nothing he can do to annoy those people. but that is a small section of the electorate, and there really is a feeling that he is only speaking to that dedicated fan base, which is a pretty narrow slot, and not a unifying message. the two things that are alarming about this particular meme, the cnn one, he plucked it from an obscure reddit forum, and you wonder how he is coming across that in. and then he re—tweeted that treat from his president twitter account. as the cnn statement said, he does have a numberof cnn statement said, he does have a number of residential responsibilities in front of him. evenif responsibilities in front of him. even if he does not have to spend his time in the reddit swamps, this came from a user with a history of racist and anti—semitic comments, even someone on racist and anti—semitic comments, even someone on his staff is looking for him, is that what he was elected to do or is it to focus on foreign policy, domestic policy, the economy and so on? it makes it harder for members of congress to focus on those things because they then have to talk about the president tweets. i wrote a piece on the bbc website this weekend, and suggested that one of the problems is that it suggests that the president is easily rattled, and america's abbas ‘s are watching that. i think that is true, and there is an amount of jitteriness here in washington in the national security community about this seeming reactive nests and the lack of a policy vision, when it comes to allies and enemies alike, isis appears to be on the run, but nobody has any idea about what america plans to do afterwards. there is a real back him in terms of the stance towards nato being so muddled, and many of our allies being set off balance, so i think it is true that nobody really knows what he is going to do next. they do thatis what he is going to do next. they do that is the plan. he said he would be unpredictable. he certainly is unpredictable. thank you. president obama said he did not worry about what journalists were writing obama said he did not worry about whatjournalists were writing about him when he was in office, he worried about in 20 years' time, but that does not seem to worry president trump. whatever the white house saying about this? they have a real feeling that the press is not giving them a real shot in the united states, and the president is right to head back. —— to hit back. the president may have used the media successfully during the campaign, but now they would say that the fake news on the mainstream media has turned against him. that is the feeling from some within the white house. quickly on the issue of obama care, could we say... this has been a difficult weekend for the republicans, the board on health ca re republicans, the board on health care cancelled last weekend, they could be getting some bad press, but instead the press are focusing on this. —— the vote on health care. new health care is so unpopular for republicans, they are happy for the conversation to be about something else. the president will be in germany for a two—day g20 meeting at the end of the week. and it would seem, despite the criticism, he is engaging with people other than the fake media. on twitter today — he is very busy. 0ur north america editor, jon sopel, will be heading to those meetings, and hejoins me now. is the president is trying to redirect attention to foreign policy issues this morning?|j redirect attention to foreign policy issues this morning? i am sure the white house will say he is busy with these things all the time, and it is just the fake news media not giving him the attention he deserves an big policy issues. maybe if he didn't tweet so much about other things, we would not get deflected from them. it isa would not get deflected from them. it is a big important policy... we are trying to talk about policy, and now we are back on issues! exactly, he wants to talk about foreign policy, he has got this meeting ahead of the gzo's. we saw what happened at the g7, with america about to pull out of the climate change deal. we saw him at nato, equally an awkward occasion, when he did not commit to article five of the nato treaty, when an attack against one is an attack against all. it remains to be seen how he will be seen and the 620. last week, the national security adviser was running through the list of people he will meet. the president will meet with many world leaders, including chancellor angela merkel, prime minister theresa may of the uk, president vladimir putin of russia... hang on, president that you put on? —— he carried on as if it was the most important —— normal thing in the world. all eyes will be on what the talk about.|j thing in the world. all eyes will be on what the talk about. i feel sorry for the other due 20 litres, nobody is going to be interested. —— the other 620 leaders. he's has said he will be talking about syria and ukraine, and a lot of people are thinking a lot while you not talking about russia dabbling in the us election? the court at the briefing was there is no agenda yet for that meeting with president putin. it might be a bit three ruling, we will talk about whatever comes up. i think after the meeting, we will hear about the meeting that donald trump had with sergei lavrin the 0val trump had with sergei lavrin the oval office. we will hear about russian interference in the election, but i think that that will not be raised at the meeting. he does not want to poison the relationship with vladimir putin, and if he does not raise it, you are accused of ignoring what you're intelligence services are telling you, which is that russia did intervene in the presidential election. i hope you will transform yourself magically into a fly on the well and tell us everything. —— a fly on the wall. i will try. thank you forjoining us. the british government insists the public sector pay cap of 1% remains in place, despite growing pressure for it to be scrapped. the foreign secretary, borisjohnson, is the latest to add his voice to calls for higher pay for workers like nurses and the police. but downing street says it will listen to the to the pay review bodies which could recommend pay rises above the 1% cap. the gulf state of qatar has delivered its response to a list of demands from its arab neighbours. the emirate had been given 48 hours to agree to an ultimatum or face yet more diplomatic and economic sanctions from saudi arabia, the uae, and others. qatar has already indicated it won't comply, saying the demands were so extreme that they seem designed to be rejected. the french energy giant, total, has signed a multi—billion—dollar gas deal with iran. it's the first major agreement between iran and a european company in the sector since the lifting of sanctions against tehran two years ago. total will be the largest shareholder, and will work together with chinese and iranian partners. president trump tweeted his willingness to lend a hand to charlie gard, the little boy in britain whose parents have lost a legal battle to keep him on life support. his parents, chris gard and connie yates, want their son to receive experimental treatment in the us. donald trump said, if we can help, we would be delighted to do so. i was just looking at a comment from the prime minister's official spokesman, and he said he was aware of president trump's tweet about charlie gard. this is a sensitive time, and our thoughts are with him and charlie's family. but they do not talk about if there is any chance that offer will be taken up. we have also got something just here from the white house press office, saying the president is just trying to be helpful if at all possible. they recognise all the legal issues. it is curious that the president should get involved in an era where he does not have jurisdiction. it is a very conjugated legal case, a concentrated emotional case for the family, and it is not very clear what the president means. —— a complicated emotional case. there has been concern from some conservative bloggers in the united states, saying this is what happens when you have socialism, somehow a reflection on public health care systems. we will have more from the white house later. charlie was supposed to be taken off the life—support system on friday, but he is still on it at great ormond. glorious day here in the uk yesterday, and also in newjersey. the kind of holiday weekend where ordinarily you would head to the beach. but on saturday, in the midst of a budget row with democrats, the republican governor of newjersey, chris christie, ordered all non—essential services to be shut down, including the state beaches. yes, long stretches of empty sands — deserted, except for this family. look a little closer, and you will see that sitting there in his deck chair, beach to himself, none other than chris christie. a little later in the day, he was asked at a news conference whether he had been out in the sun. little did he know that his local paper, the newjersey sentinel, had been flying over the beach that morning, taking photos. here was mr christie's response when pressed. i didn't get any sun today. there is no one at island beach day park. there are no lifeguards, there is no—one to pick up the garbage, there is no—one providing any services at island beach day park. so my question is... next. next! excuse me, next! and when they were made aware of the photos, the story changed somewhat. a spokesman said mr christie had briefly been on the beach but "he did not get any sun. he had a baseball hat on." seriously? i think he needs to fire his spin doctor and get someone new. we have been speaking a a lot about royalty on this programme, starting with president macron. this isjuly the 4th, in the united states. who needs the royal family when you have got governor christie closing down the beach for his own family? here are his approval ratings. he is at 1596, are his approval ratings. he is at 15%, that is below the american media, at 21%. congress is at 20%. i think it is statistically impossible to get lower than 15%. it looks from governor christie's responds that he is leaving office injanuary, he does not care. you're watching 100 days+ from bbc news. still to come — iraqi specialforces are in the final stages of the mission to defeat so—called islamic state in the city of mosul. we'll look the power struggle that could be left after the fighting ends. and professional wrestling has become political in the us, as we hear from the progressive liberal — a wrestler who delivers a message with his punches. that's still to come on 100 days+ from bbc news. warmer weather on the way for many others this week. most noticeable in england and wales as the week goes on. here are some images from today's weather. cloudy in northern ireland, some sunny spells in wales. actively cloud in northern ireland, a weather system coming in as the evening goes on. overnight that will feed into parts of south scotland and northern england, but also thickening cloud will produce some drizzle for wales in south—west england. some cruder skies in scotla nd england. some cruder skies in scotland except for the odd shower. —— leaders skies. some outbreaks of rain, notjust to begin with but for much of tuesday. a few heavier burst possible as well. to the south of that, a few showers developing into the midlands, but most places will be dry. there will be some sunny spells coming through. a bit warmer as well as the day goes on. let's ta ke as well as the day goes on. let's take a look at things throughout the day. a rainy zone here, it is quite cool hanging around. it will feel quite pleasant in northern scotland, but still the odd shower around. for the rest of england and wales, it will be warmer to the size of this weather front here. temperatures edging into the 20s for some. —— warmer to the south of this weather front. the wimbledon forecast, a warmer day for tuesday. a hot day on wednesday, and on thursday, warmth and humidity but the chance of a thundery downpours we will see any moment. most of the rain will have died out by wednesday. best of the sunshine will be to the south of that, and with that, temperatures edging up further into the 20s, and for some nearly 30 celsius. by the time we get to thursday, we could well be seeing some thundery showers breaking out and some of those edging northwards as the day goes on. welcome back to 100 days+. i'm katty kay in washington. and i'm christian fraser in london. our top stories — president macron has promised a radical new path for france and saying he'll streamline the courts and cut the number of parliamentarians. president trump has called france, germany, and italy today, and saudi arabia yesterday. it's all ahead of his trip to europe and meeting with vladimir putin. iraqi special forces have recaptured more territory in the old city of mosul. they are now in the final stage of the battle to drive out so called islamic state. troops and police are closing in from three sides. the fighting has been ongoing since october, and it's just the old city that forces have yet to reclaim. but if we look at mosul, there are a lot of factors and a lot of different groups in play. the forces pushing forward are primarily from the iraqi government — the army, federal police, and special forces. but to the north, you have kurdish peshmerga who have been involved, and also sunni arab forces trained by turkey. there is also a small detachment of turkish troops in the area, although they are not yet involved in the fighting. i'm joined now by doug ollivant, the former director for iraq at the national security council. how close are we to the fall of mosul and what does that mean for islamic state? it looks like we are close. there are nowjust three small district along the river left to be reclaimed by the iraqi forces. it's nowjust a matter of time. the forces against the last remaining islamic state fighters are overwhelming: literally thousands the hundreds. just prove how prescient, you are, just don't going to quote —— i'm just going to quote this. there are serious equities that must be balanced or checked even while mosul our citizens are liberated. are you convinced that a group that liberated, including us citizens, have settled those interests? for now, yes. i been very impressed by the iraqi government's ability to keep both the peshmerga and the shia forces doing the bulk of the fighting. but there are many equities still to be settled. when you look at other battles in iraq, these are much smaller towns outside baghdad. mosul is a big place and it has lots of societies that are expected to come back together and get on. how will they keep the peace? this be complicated. all the previously liberated cities have always been almost 100% sunny arab. but with the different populations, there are a lot of wrong things in iraq. the government is moulding, there is a sectarian battle, the whole region is corrupted. but berlocq changed. —— but a lot has changed. there has been a centre of iraqi nationalism rekindled. there are countervailing friends, a new secularism. —— trends. but this is not to say the forces against the fighting are not still there but we should see how this new normal settles out. when we talk about the us strategy, they have to work with the government and find a government that includes and involves all these different set. but you have a balanced at the top who the americans in the like, then three key departments in iraqi government, justice, interior, defence, which are vacant. those are key part of the government. what the americans have to do? i'm not sure that's right. there is a defence minister, an interior minister right. there is a defence minister, an interiorminister in right. there is a defence minister, an interior minister in place. there are some empty ministries. i'm not going to sit here and tell you the iraqi government is well functioning. but it's good enough to move forward and for the entire world community, not just move forward and for the entire world community, notjust the united states, but the europeans, the region, to have a partner to work through. in the last few days, the iraqi vice president said the united states does not have a clear plan to deal with the crises it faces in the middle east. is that a fair criticism give me are an —— given we are on the brink of mosul and possibly raqqa falling? does the white house have a strategy? we need to grade the administration, and any administration. the middle east is in crisis, from africa to iran. how to control a strategy when the ground is shifting beneath you is difficult. i wish the us government would focus more on iraq, but to say there was no plan is something else. we do hearfrom syrians there was no plan is something else. we do hear from syrians who are fighting the battle against islamic state that they are happy with the administration, they feel that trump has stepped up in a way in no way that obama didn't? the groups that are fighting on our behalf, the kurds and the affiliated groups, are happy, i'm not sure you could say that for the rest of syria. syria will be harder to settle than iraq. thanks forjoining us. great pleasure. happy lith ofjuly. there are millions of people who have fled the conflict in iraq and syria, many of them risking their lives to get to europe. combine those numbers with the displaced who are trying to cross from africa, and you can well understand why italy is overwhelmed. more than 80,000 people have been rescued from the mediterranean this year, most of them crossing from libya. and according to the un, over 2,000 people have died trying. the bbc‘s richard galpin reports. cheering relief as yet another group of migrants is rescued in the mediterranean, after setting sail in a small overcrowded boat from libya. large numbers are on the move again, heading for italy — thanks to the warm weather and calm seas. they're mainly from africa and the middle east. some fleeing conflict, others trying to escape poverty. more than 80,000 have arrived in ports in southern italy so far this year. a big increase compared to the same period in 2016. and those trying to help them, like the italian red cross, say they're now struggling to cope because the european union has totally failed to implement its plan to relocate thousands of migrants to other eu countries. this is not working. only a few hundred are being relocated in other eu countries so far. we were expecting 30,000. it's a different number. and you can imagine if we had relocated 30,000, we could have 30,000 more beds to host the new migrants. such is the frustration of the italian government now that it's even hinted at stopping boats carrying rescued migrants from entering its ports. and the european commission has already responded. we are ready to increase our support to italy, including substantial financial support, if needed. all eu states now need to deliver and show solidarity towards italy. but as the number of migrants arriving in italy rapidly grows, the government and aid agencies are likely to be sceptical of these promises of help and solidarity, which they've heard many times before. a desperate situation. i spent two weeks in a ship last year on the coast of libya, we were 12 nautical miles off the coast of libya and all these boats coming towards us have enough feel just to get these boats coming towards us have enough feeljust to get over these boats coming towards us have enough feel just to get over the mark into international waters so that we are there and other boats are there to rescue them. that is the frustration for the italians, nobody wants to see people drowned but then we are perpetuating the problem whereby they are sending more and more out, knowing full well the ships are there. that is the concern for the italians. and so many of them. it is a difficult issue. now, it's a rare day when professional wrestling makes not one but two appearances in our show, but it seems donald trump may have some competition. daniel harnsberger, or the progressive liberal as he is known, has made politics part of his act. yes, by day he's a real estate agent, but when he takes to the ring, he's the character many love to hate. that's because he's wrestling in a part of the country which voted overwhelmingly for donald trump, and wearing a hillary clinton shirt is a recipe for being cast as the bad guy. that's what i want, i want to upset people. i enjoy every second of it. i've seen him in wrestling. because with the bible belt, the middle of eastern kentucky, he's the perfect heel. fox news maggot! new can't talk about that having a fight, politics and religion. it isa it is a release for sure. in saying what i think. i was working for promoters in that particular event who said hey, i wa nt particular event who said hey, i want you to be the best bad guy you can be. they are talked about the wall and how i wished he would not build a wall around mexico and said i wish you'd build it around west virginia so those people can infiltrate the rest of the population. i don't agree with nothing he does, as far as his political views, but he's probably the best gimmick i've seen in wrestling a long time.|j the best gimmick i've seen in wrestling a long time. i think it's great. we've seen it once before up in hazard but now we're watching him. i think i'm speaking for the masses, and the masses might not be here in eastern kentucky where we're sitting right now, but i am speaking for the country, oui’ ourfans don't like our fans don't like his ourfans don't like his hard left views, but we don't like being told what is best for us all think that there better than us. there's probably more republicans in the audience than democrats, but mostly everybody still touring gizzards are good show. everybody is in on the joke. you're not going to find a character like the progressive liberal in new york or los angeles, you'll find it in the bible belt. we think of are you left or right? but at the end of the light, who can drop the elbow? may be that it, the elbow, maybe we need more of that, not the tweeting. i'm worried about christian. we have heard about the alternative right, we have heard as much about the alternative left. one study says they get 20% wrong, they cast politicians as spies. maybe the wrestling ring is the best way to work it out? we all left and the albright. you won't be here tomorrow? isjuly albright. you won't be here tomorrow? is july four! but albright. you won't be here tomorrow? isjuly four! but i'll be like stone back tomorrow. the top stories the night. a long—awaited report into child abuse injersey, has called for the notorious haut de la ga—renne children's home to be demolished. it also warns that children may still be at risk, in the island's care system. a teenage girl has admitted killing seven—year—old katie rough injanuary. she was found with fatal injuries in a park in york. her mother was one of the first to discover her body. downing street insists there's no change on public sector pay. the 1% cap will stay in place, despite growing pressure to lift it. an update on the market numbers for you — here's how london's and frankfurt ended the day. both doing rather well. the communities secretary sajid javid has urged anyone who illegally sublet their flat in grenfell tower to come forward with information and assured that they would not be prosecuted. he also welcomed the resignation of the leader of kensington and chelsea council nicholas paget—brown. at least 80 people are presumed to have died in the fire. mrjavid was updating mps in the house of commons this afternoon. there may have been people living in flats that were illegally sublet who had no idea about the true status of the tenancy. their families want to know if they perished in the fire. these are their sons, their daughters, their brothers, their sisters. they need closure and it's the least that they deserve. but that can't happen unless we have the information we need. so we are urging anyone with that information to come forward and to do so as quickly as they can. mr speaker, the immediate response to the grenfell disaster is being coordinated by the grenfell response team led led by john barrowdale. he is being supported by colleagues from local councils, the wider government support sector, the voluntary sector, police, health and fire services as well as central government. their expertise and hard work is making a huge difference. but this is only a temporary measure. it is also vital that we put in place long—term support for the longer term recovery. it was right that the leader of the royal borough of kensington and chelsea took the decision to move on. i look forward to working with the new leader of the council, and i will look at every option to ensure that everyone affected by this tragedy has the long—term support they need. well we can now to speak to chris williamson, who's the shadow minster for fire services.

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