Transcripts For BBCNEWS Thursday In Parliament 20170428

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on the last day of this parliament before the general election and june the 8th. coming up, condemnation from labour on the government's brexit strategy. is not the truth that, far from uniting this country, this tory government and its ministers have been dividing it since they took office? but the brexit secretary says, out in the country, there is huge support for theresa may's approach. massive respect for our prime minister, and a belief that she will deliver the best outcome in bracts in negotiations. the government faces more questions over taking child refugees, and parliament comes to a close with the traditional ceremony of pro—rich in. as the last two pieces of legislation finish their passage through parliament. but first, theresa may called the election arguing she needed a strong hand in the uk's brexit negotiations. eu ministers are due to meet in luxembourg over the weekend to hammer out their final negotiating position. on wednesday, theresa may met the european commission president, jean—claude juncker, for talks in downing street added that crucial summit of the remaining 27 members. downing street said mrs may reiterated the uk's aim of building a deep and special partnership after brexit. in the commons, labour focused on the rights of eu nationals living in the uk. as the secretary of state knows, around 3 million eu nationals are very anxious about their status when we leave the eu. labour would unilaterally guarantee their status from day one. under this government, all they could do is apply for consideration for permanent residency. but as the brexit committee warned in march, the current process for consideration of permanent residency applications is not fit for purpose. the secretary of state knows how important it is. have things improved 7 well, the thing i'd say to the honourable gentleman, and i respect his concern in this area, let me be clear about that, but the thing i'd say to him is, the system that's there now is not designed to deal with 3 million people, and it's been made plain. in fact, if you go on the home office website, you'll see them saying, don't make an application now, you don't need to, and when we actually move the primary legislation, it'll be a matter for the home office, but i believe that it will be very simple when we come to that point. keir starmer. speaker: keir starmer. thank you, mr speaker. because as the financial times reported yesterday, the home office is now saying, don't apply. is that the official government position for eu nationals, "don't apply for permanent residency"? is that... is that how they are going to deal with the anxiety? "don't apply"? what that is about is the home office. it's a reflection of what's on the website, which is essentially pointing out that they don't need to apply for their rights to be underpinned, and that's the approach we're taking. bear in mind, for the next two years, irrespective of anything the government does, all of the existing rights and privileges continue to apply. there will be no change in that respect. before we come to the point of exit from the european union, we will have made this very clear in primary legislation. the prime minister called the general election in the name of building unity to strengthen her eu negotiating position. but this is the prime minister who sent go home vans around parts of urban britain with high immigrant populations. this is the prime minister who aided and abetted the most disgraceful campaign against the first muslim mayor of our capital city, and this is the government who, with its hard brexit allies, seeks to call anyone who calls into question their negotiating strategy a bunch of saboteurs. is not the truth that far from uniting this country, this tory government and its ministers have been dividing it since they took office? if the honourable gentleman wants an answer to that, i think the first place he should start is on the streets of britain, where he will find a massive support for our prime minister, a massive respect for our prime minister, and a belief that she will deliver the best outcome in the brexit negotiations. will he agree with me that we cannot pretend to be a global player without running an open economy, with an orderly, unbureaucratic immigration policy, which will allow our businesses and our public services the people and skills they need? of course, he is right. the balance that any government strikes when it controls its own immigration policy, controls its own borders, something which he has fought for down the years, is one which provides proper security and proper policy in terms of delivery of social services and delivering housing, but at the same time, allows our businesses, our universities, our research centres, our financial centres, all to take part in the battle for talent which actually makes our country one of the greatest in the world. a conservative said if there was no deal, trading and so—called favoured nation terms would be second best. it would be relatively small beer. compared with the 15% improvement in competitiveness because of the exchange rate, and saving £10 billion a year which is equivalent to a 7% tariff on our exports. well, mr speaker, let me say quite clearly that the ambition and the intention of the government is to achieve the best possible free—trade agreement with our eu partners. however, our position also is this: we expect to negotiate toughly, and unlike the opposition, our position will be made clear to the european union, that we are prepared to walk away from the negotiating table if it is not possible to achieve a deal that suits us. what kind of deal does the secretary of state think he is likely to get if he and his government refuses to pay their dues in europe? surely, mr speaker, negotiations are about give and take. it is interesting, the scottish national party wants to give 60 billion. i hadn't realised that up until now. david davies. meanwhile, in the scottish parliament, the conservative leader asked what the snp‘s policy was on european union membership, and the common fisheries policy. nicola sturgeon‘s stated position is to be a full member of the eu. their mps' stated position is to leave the common fisheries policy. but full membership of the european union means full membership of the common fisheries policy. isn't that the case, first minister? well, ruth davidson has clearly not been paying attention. the snp has been consistent over many, many years in our criticisms of the common fisheries policy. and very clear about our intentions to see it fundamentally reformed. our 2007 manifesto, continue to work for withdrawal of the cfp. 2011, the cfp, well past its sell by date. the 2014 white paper on independence, independence for scotland would allow us to take a leadership role in reforming the common fisheries policy. so the reality here is, the snp that always stands up for scottish fishing, and always will stand up for scottish fishing. but ruth davidson thought the snp was facing in several different directions. the snp, saying they are in favour ofjoining the european union, but the first minister not confirming whether the first —— snp will back that in their manifesto. they say they are in favour of the common fisheries policy, except for mps in fishing constituencies, who are against it. then we have the real whopper. in scotland, nicola sturgeon saying the coming election has nothing to do whatever with independence, but from the broadcast studios of london, up pops alex salmond to confirm that they will use this to demand a referendum that the rest of us don't want. so the first minister thinks it on fishing, and eu membership and on the election, she conveys both ways and promise all things to all people. isn't it the case she is treating the electorate as pools? what is a mean when the uk government say they want a deal that works with eu's fishing communities? that can only mean that the tories are preparing to sell—out scottish fishermen a grant other european countries access to fishing waters, and treat that vital scottish industry as expendable once again. the first minister has done nothing in the last 20 years to avoid her party looking shifty in europe and independence. —— 20 minutes. the first minister said on monday, this election is not about independence. yesterday, we see her sitting on a iestyn independence branded motorbike, in the shadow of the wallace monument, on the b road to bannockburn. can the first minister tell me, what is her position today? well, my position is as it has always been, so willie rennie should maybe listen carefully, because he seems to be struggling to understand it. i support scotland being independent and an independent member of the european union. there you go. a labour leader turned to a domestic issue. after ten years snp government, scottish education is challenges like never before. since the snp took office, there are 4000 fewer teachers, 1000 fewer support staff, and class sizes are bigger. international studies show that scotland is declining in maths, reading, and science. john swinney's response to this was to publish a mini manifesto, repeating the very promises he has been making every year since 2007. so can the first minister tell teachers, parents and pupils why they should believe the snp this time around? well, education is my top priority. that is why... kezia dugdale does not like to hear this, but this is why right now across scotland, head teachers and teachers have in their hands, £120 million of additional funding. and she said labour had not a shred of credibility left and funding services. back now to westminster, where the government admitted there had been an administrative error in the placing of child refugees, with local authorities in england, which meant that there were 130 more places available. the labour peer who successfully secured the original commitment to take child migrants from europe welcomed the news. 130 children will be taken into this country under section 67 of the immigration act, even if the reason is the home office having to hang its head in shame because they made an administrative error as part of collating the figures. that comes out of yes, minister. my lords, i want to put this to the minister. will the government now re—consult local authorities, because there are many local authorities, notjust in england, but in scotland, wales and northern ireland, who've expressed a willingness to take more child refugees, and is the minister not aware that many representations have been made recently about the availability of local authority places? well, the administrative error is most unfortunate, and for that, i apologise. i apologise, my lords. i wouldn't want to see that happening. the good news is that we have an additional 130 places, and i think we should all be very pleased about that. and i think the important thing here is that no child has been disenfranchised — any eligible child has been taken thus far. 200 children have been taken so far, so we haven't even got to the 350. so i wouldn't want noble lords to think that any child had been disenfranchised because of this administrative error. can the minister give us the figure, what capacity have local authorities told the government they have for unaccompanied asylum seeking children in the next financial year, namely this one, 2017—18, on the basis that the current level of government funding is continuing? what is that figure? well, my lords, as my honourable friend in the other place outlined in the written ministerial statement yesterday, the capacity for the section 67 children is 480. in terms of future commitments, obviously, we are hours from prorogation, and i cannot make any future declarations at the dispatch box, much as i would want to. and those figures will be forthcoming, should we be successful in the general election. reading these debates that we have from time to time on the issue, they focused almost exclusively on local authority suggesting that they are the best providers. is that the case and if so, what is the arrangement by which other providers can link into the system in order to increase the numbers available? i'm glad my noble friend asked the question because one thing the government have been very keen to promote is the community sponsorship scheme which the most reverend, archbishop of canterbury has taken part in an lambeth palace to take syrian families and in fact indeed in my own local authority in trafford we have a community sponsorship scheme and i never let the time pass without me encouraging noble lords who might know any community sponsors who might be willing to come forward to take families. staying in the laws, peers rejected a motion criticising the government on the abolition of bursary for students on health care courses such as nurses or midwifery in england. the allowance was paid to help for living expenses during training, george osborne announced plans to scrap them in november 2015 and replacing them with loans. ministers argue the change would free up around £800 million a year in government spending and could create up to 10,000 new training places. a labour peer argued that it meant student nurses would rack up thousands of pounds of debt. in essence what the government are insisting and i think this is the first time for decades, they are insisting that the nurses pay for working in the health service. they are paying their £9,000 a year to work as unpaid nurses. and i think that is scandalous. absolutely scandalous. the point the government are making is that they are prepared if nurses pay for their own education and this is perhaps the point the noble lord was making, if they paid then they would lift the cap so the universities could train as many students as they wanted. and that is something i hope works, i want this system to work, but then we come to the problem that it is easy enough for the universities to expand their lectures, to provide their library facilities, but the difficulty comes when the health service has got to provide the tutors, the mentors, to provide the practical oversight of the students when they are working on the wards and in clinical situations. lady watkins is a registered nurse and she said there was more than one route into nursing including a graduate scheme and a scheme like an advanced apprenticeship. rather than re—instigate the bursary where we know that a lot of people applied to go to university because of the bursary and we had a very high dropout in year one and i was a dean when that was happening so i speak from experience or some who completed the course but never had any intention of working but wanted to go into hate chart or perhaps become an air stewardess, neither of which is a bad thing but they had used the bursary structure to get their degree as an entry into those programmes rather than an intention to necessarily spend a lifetime caring. so i think it would be preferable to invest in three methods leading to registration but seriously considering giving a bursary for the third year of training when i would agree with the noble lord that most students give a huge amount to the nhs in that third share. what the new system does is that it actually delivers more cash to cover the living costs for nurses during their education. it delivers more money per nurse for universities providing education through the fees and loan system. and it removes the caps and provides the nhs with trained nurses in total. i believe this motion is misguided, the extension is a natural development of reform that has received cross— party support. this will dramatically improve the participation of disadvantaged groups and will provide a fair distribution of the cost of funding for higher education, the true source of regret is the opposition has used this to run scare stories about both the impact of sensible funding changes and the impact of leaving the european union on the nhs workforce. i urge all members of this house to vote against the motion. when it came to the voter peers backed the government by a majority of 38. you are watching thursday in parliament. on the last day at westminster ahead of the general election. now when you think of the suffragettes who probably think of the women who took part in direct action to try to win the vote, but a new exhibition in parliament reveals the role that men played in the campaign. suffragettes on the streets of london, the names of campaigners like emily pankhurst and her daughter have passed into history. less well—known is the fact that some of the suffragettes were men. a new exhibition in parliament highlights the role some men played campaigning for votes for women, suffragettes in trousers. this was a phrase coined in 1907 by a member of the men's league for women's suffrage and essentially this exhibition is telling the story of those men, especially the men in parliament who supported the long campaign for women's suffrage and in britain. frederick pedro and lawrence later an mp and when the ordeal of force—feeding injail. he was imprisoned for his supports and there were attempts to bankrupt him and make him liable for the damage that some protests had caused. he was vilified, he had all things castres masculinity, he was missing is a traitor to the male establishment. george lansbury stepped down as an mp to force a by—election on votes for women. he decided to stand not as a labour candidate but as a women's candidate, it was extraordinary at the time. a great opportunity for the suffrage society as they'll descended on east london and campaigned on his behalf, day and night to get him re—elected. it doesn't have a happy ending, he was deleted by a few hundred votes by the conservative and unionist candidates. he ended up in prison in 1913 for his efforts, quickly released thanks to his former colleagues who campaigned for his release but, he was one of those mps who really really put their beliefs in women's equality. although individual mps backed change, it took until 1917 for parliament to agree for votes for women in the following year. that is similar to now, there are controversial causes which come up in parliament brought up by private members of both houses and don't seem to get anywhere which is really frustrating for people who support the change. perhaps assisted dying and what happens is that you do gets you get movements that say something should change but if the government of the day is not in favour it is hard to get a controversial measure through. that was the end of a long campaign both in and outside parliament said people should take courage that if your support gets a majority support it'll happen by or crook. and you can see more on that exhibition at the vote 100 section of the parliament .uk website. now as is always the way when a parliament comes to a close there are some last—minute bartering between the government and the opposition to get a handful of bills into law before the election. the controversial higher education and research bill cleared the north —— lords, although some peers were disappointed that they failed in the end to exclude overseas students from the immigration figures in the uk. the digital economy bill was passed by the lords too. it dealt with broadband services, the bbc and public sector broadcasters and protection for children from online pornography. and that last bit of legislation meant there was one job for parliament to do. make sure the bills passed received royal assent and bring parliamentary proceedings formally to a close, the ceremony known as prorogation. mps were summoned to the house of lords by the parliamentary official black rod. we're out! mps trooped to the lords for a ceremony led by a five lords commissioners. they appeared from various parties who have the ceremonial role of representing the queen. they were resplendent in red robes and black tricorn hats, which they were required to doth at various points. lady evans the leader of the lords is one of the commissioners. her majesty, not thinking fit to be personally present here at this time, has been pleased to cause a commission to be issued under the great seal and thereby given her royal assent to diverse acts which have been agreed upon by both houses of parliament. royal assent was given to a number of new laws, the titles were read out by the lord clerks. first name of each bill and then the replies signalling the monarch‘s approval in the traditional norman french. neighbourhood planning act. mps then made their way slowly back to the commons where they form an orderly queue to shake the speaker's hand and make their way out of the chamber. some of them knowing it is for the final time and others awaiting the verdict of the voters. and that brings us to the end of this edition of the programme and this parliament. we will be back with you, the new government and a new batch of mps, when they arrive at westminster after the general election onjune the 8th. in the meantime, bbc parliament will have the key speeches from the election in full and uncut as well as all the big campaign events. but for now from all of us, goodbye. hello. as we've been discovering of late, spring can offer up a wide variety of conditions and sometimes we try to cram it all into one day. that was the way of it on thursday. at its best, absolutely no complaints in fife. but elsewhere, nowhere near 15 degrees. quite a bit of cloud around and quite a few showers as well. that's how we are going to start friday too. the last of thursday's showers tending to migrate away from the eastern side of the british isles down away towards the west. but i think you'll notice, wherever you start the new day on friday, it won't be just as cold, as was the start to thursday, where there was quite a widespread frost. i think not a particularly warm start to the day but two, three, four, five degrees — perfectly acceptable for this time of year. that thicker cloud across southern and western parts comes thanks to this rather weak weather front. if you are desperate for some rain i'm afraid again that is not the feature for you. it will produce a wee bit of rain first up across wales and the south—west midlands, into south—west england, but even here some areas will be dry right from the word go. and after a glorious start across some eastern parts, as we get on into the afternoon the cloud will bubble up somewhat and there could be some showers from that as well. temperatures in a range at best from about 8—9 on the eastern coast and down to around about 14 or 15 on the south coast. the bank holiday weekend, breezy but the wind is coming in from the south and south—east, so milder than of late, and it wouldn't be a bank holiday without the mention of some rain. but we hold off on that prospect. through saturday there is a scattering of showers, no great organisation about them. many areas staying dry and, as i say, the breeze coming from the south. this is where we start mentioning the rain, with a deal of uncertainty, it has to be said. a lot of isobars there, so you'll be flying your kite, that's for sure, if you're out on the beach on sunday, but it will be a damp affair. certainly we suspect for the south—west, for wales, getting up towards northern ireland, butjust how far north and east that rainbelt gets during the course of the day is open to a lot of uncertainty at the moment. so if you've got a plan for sunday, keep checking the forecast is the watchword at the moment, because that whole weather system could move with time and also in space. but we are more confident that on monday the feature will have moved away to the north sea, leaving behind a legacy of cloud, still a wee bit breezy in places, but there should be dry weather for the holiday monday. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is mike embley — our top stories: president trump says a "major conflict" with north korea is possible — but he'd prefer to settle differences over its nuclear programme using diplomacy. protestors storm macedonia's parliament — attacking politicians — after the election of an ethnic albanian as speaker. little more than a week before france's decisive presidential vote, polls suggest emmanuel macron‘s lead over marine le pen is shrinking. and facebook says it's launching new ways to uncover fake accounts and fight abuse on its 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