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Foreshaw cain, im happily married to my husband and i believe the report today is a steaming pile of waffle which will harm the church. And gavin ashenden, have spent years on the general synod and the report invites us to take direction that the Teaching Ofjesus and the Faithfulness Of The Church does not allow us to go in. And adele stole the show at the grammys overnight for an amazing George Michael cover. But it didnt go without a hitch. I know its live tv, im sorry, i need to start again, i cant do it again like last year. Im sorry for swearing and im sorry for starting again. Can we please start again . Hello. Welcome to the programme, were live until 11. Im chloe tilley and throughout the morning well bring you the latest Breaking News and developing stories. A little later in the programme well hearfrom children of addicted parents as a new report from the nspcc says they receive a call every single hour from adults worried about drugs and alcohol being around children. Well talk about the impact it has on those young children. If youve got you own experience, do get in touch use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Our top story today. Widespread drug use, door alarms that didnt work and a hole in a perimeterfence just some of the discoveries made by a bbc undercover reporter at a prison in the north east of england. Panorama discovered evidence of major Security Failings during secret filming at Hmp Northumberland which holds more than 1,000 men and is run by the firm sodexo. Ed thomas reports. Undercover in one of our biggestjails. For two months, bbc panorama filmed the drugs feeding addiction inside. And staff pushed to their limits. Hmp northumberland is a private jail run by the French Company sodexo and home to more than 1,300 inmates. 0n the undercover reporters first day inside, 2. 5 kilograms of spice, an illegal high with a prison value of £250,000 was found in two cells. Despite this, panorama was told there was no lockdown, so the block could be completely searched. The bbc secretly filmed inmates high on drugs. This man had taken spice. And then theres the violence. Cctv cameras recorded an inmate being stamped on. At one point, panoramas undercover reporter was threatened by an inmate. During filming, the bbc discovered a serious security breach, alarms on two doors werent working. Nearby, officers found wire Cutting Tools and, later, a hole in an inner security fence. It meant drugs could have been passed into the jail. The reporter asked the governor what went wrong. Sodexo, the company that runs the prison, said the safety of staff and inmates is their top priority. The Ministry Ofjustice said it would urgently investigate the bbcs footage and that the government is determined to reform our prisons. Ed thomas, bbc news. Much more on that when we speak to one former prisoner who says 85 of the people he was in prison with work on spies. Now a summary of the rest of the days news. They were on spice. Britains biggest Supermarket Tesco says its taking immediate action to check prices, after a bbc investigation revealed two thirds of deals on the shelves were out of date, and didnt work at the checkout. A team from bbc inside out visited 50 branches across england, and found multi buy deals still being advertised days and in some cases months after the deductions were no longer valid. The co 0p bank has announced its up for sale. The high street bank has over four million customers but almost collapsed in 2013 after a series of financial problems. Since then its been run by private Investment Companies who say theyve now made considerable progress in turning the business around. The body that approves church law, the general synod of the Church Of England, begins meeting today. Much of the debate is likely to centre on the clergys response to a Report On Gay Marriage, which upholds a traditional definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman. But 11 former bishops have accused the church of ignoring the views of Gay Christians. Nearly 200,000 people in Northern California are being evacuated from their homes after the tallest dam in america was weakened by heavy rainfall. 0fficials feared the 0roville dam could be about to collapse after a giant hole developed in the Overflow Channel. Crews using helicopters have dropped rocks to fill the gouge in the spillway, and the excess water has now stopped flowing. Pa rents parents have told this programme they were conned out of thousands of pounds by an organisation that said it could win in custody. This service is provided by mackenzie friends, not legally trained but providing support for those going to court, the company charged for their services and there are now calls for this to be regulated. We will have a Special Report on that just regulated. We will have a Special Report on Thatjust Talking to families who have been affected just after 9 30am. At the Grammys Adele has broken her own record, becoming the first person to take the top three awards for the second time. The star was honoured at the awards in los angeles for her single hello and her comeback album 25. But the london born singer apparently turned down the award for best album, saying beyonce deserved it more. Adele won five prizes in all, including three of the top awards, best album, Song Of The Year and record of the year. Sir Bradley Wiggins has pulled out of channel 4s Winter Sports show thejump after breaking his leg. Britains most decorated 0lympian suffered a small fracture while taking part in snow cross training. The eight time 0lympic Medallist and Tour De France winner said he was gutted that the injury forced him out. Channel 4 said sir bradley had been keen to continue but wouldnt appear after the fourth show in the series, which has attracted criticism after a number of previous celebrities were also injured taking part. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30am. Your views are welcome on gay marriage within the church. We will be talking to various interested parties. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Lets get some sport. And a Football Doping Investigation has been conducted with some surprising findings, Will Perryjoins us now, so will, what can you tell us . At least 39 of players in the English Football League were not drugs tested for illegal doping, according to figures we have received, that is the championship and league1 received, that is the championship and league 1 and league 2, although not the Premier League. The body that carries out testing on behalf of the fa and also test the 50 0lympic, paralympic and commonwealth professional sports, they took thousands of samples from 1989 players in the efl. From 550 players to play in the Premier League, 799 samples were taken, a massive difference which does not account for players being tested more than once, one player tested five times would mean five samples, for instance. So those figures relate to the English Football League but its not just them that the English Football League but its notjust them that have been questioned. No, figures show there is an even bigger problem in womens football with only 36 samples taken from 169 players in Womens Super League one, the top flight of domestic womens football, the Football Association say like any sport, it has prioritised and anti doping programme at the elite end of it and they also say the researchers intelligence led, meaning any player that the fa thinks presents a problem will be targeted, last season we had the bre ntford targeted, last season we had the brentford midfielder alan judge who was the only player tested on behalf of the fa to bridge these Doping Regulations and he was reprimanded after proving that the substance he had taken was from an asthma inhaler. Having said this, there are bigger issues in other european leagues, spain, germany, the Scottish Fa Last year announced that they had plans to tackle the issues and the english at a plan to double the number of tests conducted next season the number of tests conducted next season at a cost of almost £2 million. Well have the headlines are you at our past nine. Thank you, we will speak to you then. Next this morning, should the Church Of England stop insisting marriage has to be between a man and a woman . The issue is set to cause yet more divisions when the the general synod thats basically the Governing Body of the church, made up of bishops, clergy and lay members meet this week. At the moment gay people cant get married in a church of England Church though they can get blessed in some. A report to be debated at the meeting on wednesday will stick to the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. In an unprecedented move, thats now been opposed by 11 former bishops who say the church is failing its lgbt members. Last month a House Of Bishops report said the church shouldnt change its opposition to same sex marriage, but should adopt a fresh tone and culture Of Welcome And Support for gay people. So will this issue ever be resolved . Does the church need to modernise . We can talk now to Andrew Foreshew Cain who became britains first gay vicar to openly marry his partner in 2014. He sits on the general synod. To the right reverend michael doe, formerly bishop of swindon, who signed a letter at the weekend criticising the way the church represents gay people and Gavin Ashendon is former honorary chaplain to the queen and a former Gay Rights Activist who now believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. And we will shortly be speaking to susie leafe, who is the director of reform an organisation that campaigns to uphold the original doctrines of the Church Of England. Andrew, does the Church Welcome lgbt members of the community . andrew, does the Church Welcome lgbt members of the community . I dont think so. They say they do but in reality the Church Of England is a very tough place for someone to be lgbt. Would you agree . I think we have moved a long way but not far enough. The criticism that we retired bishops have of this report from serving bishops, and we do not underestimate the difficult job they do holding the church together, around some difficult issues, nevertheless, we feel that this report does not represent the kind of direction that we were taking, and therefore understandably, a lot of gay and lesbian people in the church feel very disappointed. Before we get gavins point of view, do you think this is about the tone and the message that is sent out to 93v and the message that is sent out to gay and lesbian members of the community or is this about gay people being able to get married in church . The current bishops would say it is about tone and they would say it is about tone and they would say they want to set a new tone. Actually i would say it should be about reality, which is how lgbt people are treated by the church and how our relationships are respected and recognised. Its also about recognising that the Church Of England has a prayerful response to issues of human sexuality, and the bishops and this new report entirely failed to recognise that. The report is right that we need a change of tone but if you look for example at what else has happened this last weekend when the archbishop of canterbury said about child refugees, we dontjust want sentiment, we want action. And the problem with this report is that it rightly calls for a change of tone, for a more welcoming, accepting attitude on behalf of the church but Thatis Attitude on behalf of the church but that is only going to be real and we will only touch the real reasons for homophobia if we need to see some action. I think for us retired bishops it may well be that any move a bad marriage is too far. I myself have struggled with that although ive now come to the conclusion that sacramental marriage would be strengthened rather than weakened by including same sex partners. But nevertheless there are other things we could do. Other things that this report could have proposed for example the blessing of civil partnerships. That would have meant that we were not just talking about changing tone, we were really doing something about welcoming, accepting 95v something about welcoming, accepting gay and lesbian people. Bretts bring in gavin. What about Theissue Bretts bring in gavin. What about the issue about a blessing of same sex couples . Is that something you could see happening . The Church Of England . Well, i would like it say christianity is about indiscriminate love and this quality of love co m es indiscriminate love and this quality of love comes because of our relationship with the holy spirit. It is not produced by a committees report even if it is done by bishops and my experience is that the chumpble has been overwhelingly loving and accepting to people who cioss loving and accepting to people who cross its doors. It is what it sets out to do. The problem with both gay marriage and also the blessing of 93v marriage and also the blessing of gay relationships is that to be a christian youre committed to follow the Teaching Ofjesus and the Teaching Ofjesus the Teaching Ofjesus and the teaching of jesus is the Teaching Ofjesus and the Teaching Ofjesus is marriage is between a man and a woman with the intention of having children. And the problem with the report is that whilst it keeps a conventional approach, traditional christianity on the surface, in its legal advice at end, it is Making Arrangements Forformal at end, it is making arrangements for formal blessings to be prepared after civil services. So Bishop Michael was right, it is about the direction the report is take the church in and from the teaching of jesus, thats a direction that we dont find ourselves able to take. I would challenge that the church has been entirely loving and accepting of gay and lesbian people. I have members of my congregation who are refugees from conservative churches like gavins who come to me after years of abuse and the theology thats held by the churches. I have regular contact with people who self harm and there have been well reported suicides. They felt the only way out has been through suicide. There is a meeting at the general synod of a church in manchester who lost a 14 year old young woman to suicide precisely because of teaching of the church. And the sense and the hurt that that person was left with. Andrew, i mean i understand that and the stories and the anecdotes that people are suffering. These arent anecdotes. I get Text Messages every day from a young woman who is attending a conservative church in london who is being told that she is wrong and is going to go to hell and she self harms every day. Going to go to hell and she self harms every day. Sometimes so badly that she ends up in a e because the cut is too deep. And there is a psychological report released in 2013 that says amazingly that gay people find themselves mentally better off, their Mental Health is better off in conservative churches. So we have two sets of evidence and the answer at the end is all we can do as christians to love one another and put the bible into practise and in that way we make our journey forward. I want to bring in suzie who just joined us as well. I dont know how much suzie has been able to hear of what weve said. Suzie, it is great to have you on the programme. We we re to have you on the programme. We were just hearing from andrew saying that many members of his congregation self harm because they are lesbian or gay and feel they are not accepted in some extreme cases ending up in accident and emergency Asa Ending Up in accident and emergency as a result. Hes saying the church isnt welcoming enough to the Lgbt Community . I think thats a really difficult thing to hear and ifeel sorry for those people. It is just not the experience of the lesbian and gay people that i know within oui and gay people that i know within our churches. Conservative churches. I think they are finding a real sense of love and acceptance, a place where theyre discovering that god loves them and god wants the best for them and theyre flourishing. And they are happy that same sex marriage is not allowed in the Church Of England . Well, im sure youve heard on the bbc over the last couple of weeks there have been people like ed shaw talking and i think their experience is very common. Theyre saying to live a life that is the same in many ways ofjesus christ, life that is the same in many ways of jesus christ, a life that is the same in many ways ofjesus christ, a single life, in community, offers a great blessing. I wouldnt doubt that there are gay and lesbian people in your churches who are widely welcomed because they conform to the narrow set of views thaw want them to conform to. Those of us who find joy and love in our relationships are not welcome in your churches. I have been told im a false preacher and im going to hell by members of those churches. Conforming is an easy way of avoiding conflict and hurt and people like ed shaw represent a tiny minority of both the gay and Lesbian Community in the church and much more widely in society and what they are trying to do is using the language of Conversion Therapy to pretend that going gay and lesbian isa pretend that going gay and lesbian is a pathology and they are insisting that everybody must make the choices that they are free to make themselves to be celibate. Ed, if he is happy to be celibate, im happy for him, but his book talks about his despair and unhappiness and how he fanta saousz about the lovely young man that he might build a relationship with, but cant because of the theology he holds. The majority of gay and lesbian find sources of blessing with their relationship with god as indeed i do with mine. Im really sorry. Go ahead suzie. Were listening. Ive got various sounds coming around. Im having to do this in the reception at bbc plymouth. I think, from what i heard andrew saying, hes trying to claim, i think, that a life should be a life thats hassle free and without cost. No, thats not true, suzie at all because no relationship is ever, no marriage is ever hassle free without cost. I have been with my partner for 17 years and i promise like everybody in a long term relationship there has been struggle within that relationship, but that relationship is nonetheless a relationship is nonetheless a relationship of love and plesing and support and encouragement as im sure so support and encouragement as im sure so is yours. Thats, in this country, you are free to have that relationship and i think thats a good thing. The question is, is whether or not that is a relationship which is in line with the Teaching Ofjesus christ . Relationship which is in line with the teaching of jesus christ . What worries me about this debate is the church and the gospel are coming across as very stayed and unmoving things and the church is a living organism. We are called to serve the good news ofjesus christ. The doctrine has developed through the life of the church. Sometimes weve got things terribly wrong like the inqisation. 0n marriage which were discussing this morning, we made some very significant changes about divorce and welcoming divorced people into church and to have their second marriage in church. We continue, now, we welcome parents who are not married who bring their children to be baptised and now, facing the question of gay and lesbian people within the church, what were called to do is to ask how can we express the good news of jesus christ which gavin and suzie have rightly emphasised as our central responsibility, how can we proclaim that, notjust in tone, but in real ways so that they also are fully pa rt of in real ways so that they also are fully part of the church and are pa rt of fully part of the church and are part of this loving, forgiving action of god . Lots of people are getting in touch. I would be keen to get you to respond to the messages. A text, my daughter is getting married in april. Same sex. They have to get married in the Civic Centre In Newcastle and the next day theyre getting blessed in a church. It doesnt make any sense why they can be blessed, but not married. Another text, i do not understand why Gay Christians and priests think they should have more rights than they should have more rights than the church . The taesmings of the church and the bible dont support 93v church and the bible dont support gay relationships just as it does not support fornication. You cannot change the principles of the bible to suit your needs. I am a vicar ministering in thailand. I am also 93v ministering in thailand. I am also gay. Lgbt ministering in thailand. I am also gay. Lg bt people ministering in thailand. I am also gay. Lgbt people should be treated equally not because it is the spirit of age, but it is central to the truth and love shown injesus. Another text, although i think getting married is good especially if you can do it in church, it is about people cherry picking the bible and the so called word of god when it suits them. If youre not going to follow the teachings of the bible, then it is not going to work properly. I would say, i mean, i do read the bible every day and i would see myself as a Faithful Bible Reading christian. The bishops report which started this off fails to recognise that there is, within the Church Of England, a significant diversity of thee logical approaches and scripture interpretations. So claiming there was a single way of reading holy script is wrong basically. Gavin. How is this going to be resolved . Basically. Gavin. How is this going to be resolved . This conversation alone demonstrated the huge divisions within the Church Of England . Thats a good question and an important one. The Church Of England has been very good, because it is very welcoming and it is enormous by broad at gathering people together in one group and it has done for a very long time. The problem as your e mails and your twitter feed have shown is weve reached a point where the two ways of understanding our relationship as human beings are simply going in Different Directions and the problem were facing at the moment is that even the inclusivity of the Church Of England may not be broad enough to manage to keep the two directions together and unfortunately thats the experience of the church elsewhere. In america, for example, where the conversation is 20 or 30 ahead of where we are now, unfortunately, the Christian Church separate the Anglican Church separated into two groups, each pursuing what they thought the truth was. Maybe thats what will have to happen here if we are to keep our integrity and then we can test what christianity will allow people to flourish best. The same kind of things were said about the ministry of women in the church and we in the Church Of England took such a long time to actually come to where we are now and where we are now is that we have so many wonderful women serving as priest and bishops in the Church Of England, we havent split. We havent turned our back on the bible. Weve actually moved forward under the power of the holy spirit. We understand the bible in different ways and we now have such a much Better Church because it is inclusive, because it has the diversity that women have brought and now lets see whether we could also have a little bit of courage and do the same about gay and lesbian people . We have had a text thats come in saying, why not form a splinter church that would accommodate their preferences as gavin suggested . The Church Of England is a Splinter Church From The Catholic church. What england is a Splinter Church From The Catholic church. What we england is a Splinter Church From The Catholic church. What we want isa the catholic church. What we want is a recognition that there is a diversity of thee logical and pastoral approach to issues of sexuality and we want that to be honoured in the same way that other significant divisions within the church are honoured within the church. Ordination of women, divorce, other things too. We have enormous divergence of theology within the Church Of England and one of our geniuses is to learn to live with that and it would be a great witness to the world if progressives and conservatives within the Church Of England were able to do so within the Church Of England. Good disagreement is what the bishops we re disagreement is what the bishops were talking about three years ago and that would be a wonderful thing to see. A tweet from rich saying, u nless to see. A tweet from rich saying, unless the Church Of England changes its attitude to lgbt people. It will die out. It is simple really. It will die out. It is simple really. Thank you for coming in and talking to us today. Your experience is welcome. You can use the Hashtag Victoria Live throughout the programme. Still to come conned trying to get her children back. This woman paid thousands to a man who said he could win her custody battle. More than a million children could be living with an alcoholic or drug dependent parent. From the age of eight going to my dads at the weekend i was effectively the carer. It was typicalfor my dad effectively the carer. It was typical for my dad to pick me effectively the carer. It was typicalfor my dad to pick me up from school, literally fall over because he was so drunk. Well hear from because he was so drunk. Well hearfrom some because he was so drunk. Well hear from some of the children on how it has affected them. A bbc investigation has found evidence of major Security Failings at a privately run prison in the north east of england. A Reporterfrom Panorama Filmed Undercover at the jail in morpeth, discovered a number of issues, including inmates using drugs. Sodexo who run the prison says the safety of staff and inmates is their top priority. The Ministry Ofjustice says it will investigate the footage and the government is committed to reforming prisons. Britains biggest supermarket, tesco, has promised to take immediate action after a bbc investigation revealed two thirds of deals on the shelves were out of date, and didnt work at the checkout. Over three months a team from bbc inside out visited 50 branches of tesco across england and found multi buy deals still being advertised days, weeks and in some cases months after the deductions were no longer valid at the till. The supermarket says its working to make sure its prices are accurate. A man from bury has been charged and did the sparrows serves offences offe Nces A Ct Offences Act after a suspicious package was found at Manchester Airport. The body that approves church law, the general synod of the Church Of England, rates today. Much of the debate will centre on the Clergy S Response to a Report On Gay Marriage which upholds the traditional definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman. 11 former bishops have accused the church of ignoring the views of Gay Christians. 0ne viewers says, the teaching is based on the Ten Commandments and while having sympathy for Gay Christians it cannot allow them to marin cilic. Richard says, i am 62, was brought up richard says, i am 62, was brought up in the Church Of England, was a churchwarden until ten years ago, i am gay and right now despair of the church and i want nothing to do with it because of this message it keeps sending out. Keep sending in your messages. Lets get some sport. The headlines, joe root should be confirmed as england test captain today, he is believed to be the clear favourite after Alastair Cook resigned after leading the side. Official figures today show that 39 of players who played in the English Football League last season were not drugs tested by the anti doping organisation. The programme was specialised at the elite end. Claudio ranieri says he may have been too loyal to his leicester players, they are nowjust one point above the bottom three after losing to swansea yesterday. In scotland we re to swansea yesterday. In scotland were beaten by france 22 16 in france, the tenth time in a row theyve lost in paris. England on theyve lost in paris. England on the only unbeaten side after two matches. More about those stories at ten oclock. See you then. Thank you. I was engrossed in some of your e mails, i will read those in the next few minutes. This programme has spoken to parents who say they were conned out of thousands of pounds by an organization that had promised to win back their children. The parents voice london advertised paid for support for people going through the Family Courts, known as mckenzie friends. There are now calls for this to be regulated. 0ur Reporerjames Melley has the story. Ifelt like id been conned significantly. I felt like my whole world came crashing around me. He promised her that he would get her children back. She was only a young mum, you know, she was devastated about the whole thing. There are examples of people simply being ripped off. When families break up and theres a dispute over the custody of children, it can end up in places like this, the family court. But because of changes in legal aid, its now increasingly hard for families to get funding for those kinds of cases. When someone cant afford or doesnt want a solicitor, mckenzie friends can help people representing themselves in court to understand the legal process. Anyone can be one, it doesnt require any Legal Training, but increasingly mckenzie friends are demanding a fee for their services. The company the parents voice london did just that, offering mckenzie Friends Services for those that paid. Last year, two of its directors, claire mann and david bright, were jailed for perverting the course ofjustice in one case in the Family Courts. Now, several parents who paid them thousands of pounds in the hope of getting help to win access to their children are trying to get that money back. Rupinder randhawa came across david bright and the parents voice when she was fighting a decision to remove her youngest children. Desperate for help, she paid them thousands of pounds. When you got in touch with david bright in the first place, how were you feeling . Very low. Id given up hope. To have my children back. So i was not in a great space, but i was still willing to. To fight for my children. Your lawyer had told you that there was very little chance of you winning your case. What did david bright tell you when you spoke to him . That there was hope, and there is something that he could definitely do, and he did cases like this. Did he tell you how successful he is . Hes never lost a case. He told me that hed never lost a case. How did that make you feel . Confident. Strong, empowered. I felt encouraged to know that he could possibly bring an opportunity where it is possible for me to have custody of my children. She says david bright charged her £1180 a month and additional one off fees including £6,000 to publish a book about her case. But, despite this, bright and the parents voice did very little to help her. How did you feel when you realised that david bright and the parents voice were not helping you . Devastated. Destroyed, distraught. Ifelt like id been conned significantly. I felt. Like my whole world came crashing around me, because there was no hope in getting my children back, so. Thatjust ruined everything, its like a false promise. Somebody had promised to do something and they were not who they said they were, so itjust ruined everything, any hope i had left in me, itjust sucked every bit of life out of me. Quite often when parents separate, one moves away. Jenny lewington is a mckenzie friend, she worked with the parents voice but quit because she says she wasnt being paid. She was also concerned about david brights working practices. Id gone to the hearing with a mother who was trying to appeal an adoption, and hed submitted the wrong form to apply for the appeal. And i rang him and said, mums submitted the wrong form. And i knew that hed completed the forms and then sent them to the client for signing and sending to court, and he said, yes, i know i have, i did it to try and delay matters. Do you think that would have actually helped . No. This guy had promised this mother that he would get her children back. And theyd already been with the adoptive parents for some time, and i dont think she would have got them back. Shed had a barrister up to bright got involved, and i think she approached bright out of desperation to try and get her children back, and he said that he would get them back. What kind of impact did david bright have on the families that he was working with . Well, she was devastated. She just said that hed promised her that he would get her children back. She was only a young mum, you know, she was devastated about the whole thing. The law society, which represents solicitors, is calling for a Ban On Mckenzie Friends being able to claim costs in court cases. We think that this would help to really spell out that a mckenzie friend is not a qualified lawyer, does not have the training and expertise that a qualified lawyer would have, and therefore should not be regarded as on a par with a qualified lawyer. One of our concerns about the rise in paid for mckenzie friends is that a lot of these people are effectively acting as lawyers and advertising themselves as lawyers, even though they do not have Legal Training and legal qualifications, and they do not have the duties to the court that a qualified lawyer will have. If a lawyer were to mislead a court or even allow a court to be misled, that would be a disciplinary offence and they would be struck off. Have you heard of other cases where mckenzie friends have provided poor service or have otherwise caused problems . There have been anecdotal examples of mckenzie friends causing problems. Sometimes its a case of well meaning people who just dont have the understanding that they need to in order to be able to provide a good service. Sometimes its that they work for an organisation that has a particular agenda, and they put the organisations agenda ahead of the interests of the individual client. And sometimes there are examples of people simply being ripped off by mckenzie friends charging quite significant sums, sometimes as much as lawyers would charge, but arguing that lawyers are expensive, you can afford us, therefore you should instruct us. I mean, youve got to watch him in action, hes brilliant. Stephen, whose real name we cant use for legal reasons, Spent Thousands of pounds with the parents voice. A friend suggested he get in touch with david bright after his ex wife took custody of their children after the break up of their marriage. I went to see him in his southgate office, and there he just sang to my ears. He told me exactly what i wanted to hear, he asked me if i wanted custody, he asked me how much i wanted to see the kids. At the point where you approached david bright, how were you, how did you feel . I went in thinking, theres got to be no one who can promise me the earth, no one thats that good. Theres obviously solicitors out there that are wonderful, but they cost tens and tens of thousands. Friends of mine have paid half a million in lawyers feesjust to get one inch from their ex wife, so he came as a welcome surprise because i was told he wasnt that expensive in advance. He asked me for £1,000 in advance, then monthly £500, then that would be it, thered be no other charges. That was his fixed sum. Hell send thousands of letters, if i want. Hell bombard the other side, he would win the case for me. Hell appoint a lawyer that would turn up at court and would handle the court. At the time, i was broken, i was really in a low, low situation emotionally. Psychologically i was exhausted, i didnt know what to do. Stephen claims bright took around £12,000 from him by double billing him, and for work he didnt do. He says since brights conviction hes been contacted by other people who feel their money was wrongly taken by the parents voice. Many, many. Ive had people crying to me. People that are just so shocked, theyve had money stolen out of them. What he does, he gets them all so close and he makes them feel fantastic. They can deal with their exes. You know, a lot of these people have violent exes, horrible exes, and the children are always involved, so what he does, he manipulates the parents with the vision of the kids, which is the worst thing. Like stephen and several other people, Rupinder Randhawa has won a county Court Judgment against david bright and the parents voice for more than £10,000. She didnt win her children back, and resents the false hope she was given. Im just looking forward to the future and moving on with my life, doing the things that i should have been doing in the year that ive wasted of doing absolutely nothing and waiting for hope. David bright was released from prison last month. We asked him for an interview, but he said no. He told us he denies any wrongdoing, and that he and the parents voice had helped hundreds of people with their cases. In making this film, weve heard from several people that have had positive experiences with mckenzie friends, but senior judges are considering changing the rules for how mckenzie friends operate, including setting up a Code Of Conduct so those using them in the future will know what to expect. We have had a tweet from jason saying he destroyed my life and deserved a longer sentence, Family Courts need reform as there are too many calls. Mark says, there are good and bad people in all walks of life, many Mckenzie Friends Fantastic and only focus on what is best for the children. Likewise some solicitors are only interested in the monetary rewards and others are genuine. After 10am well speak to a mckenzie friend about the work they do. Really keen to hear your experience this morning. Coming up, the children of a terminally ill couple who died of cancer within days of each other have shared this moving photograph of their parents last moments together. Well speak to a Family Friend before 11am. Its thought more than a million children could be living with an alcoholic or drug dependent parent. Every single hour the nspcc receives a call from an adult who is concerned about alcohol or drugs being used around children. But is enough being done to help them . Earlier this month the labour mp jon ashworth spoke in parliament about his experience of growing up with an alcoholic father. He urged ministers to do more to stop children with similar experiences from feeling so alone. His testimony was so powerful it brought the Health Minister, nicola blackwood, to tears. My parents divorced when i was about seven or eight. They divorced, to be frank and candid, because of the strain that my fathers alcoholism placed on marriage. And then throughout my life. Im an only child. In the week, i would live with my mum and at weekends i would live with my dad. And my dad would spend the whole weekend drunk. In fact, from the age of eight or so, going to my dads at the weekend, i was effectively the carer. It would be very typical for my dad to pick me up from school, literally fall over, because he was so drunk. I recall because this wasnt the days of Mobile Phones and so on going to the phone box to order a taxi to take us home. It wasnt far to walk, to be fair, but we couldnt walk up the street when i was a child. Or i would go back to my dads on friday after school, open the fridge, as you do when you get home from school and you want to eat probably some chocolate biscuits, whatever. And the fridge being completely empty, apart from these huge big bottles of white wine. Big litre and a half bottles. Four, five of them lined up. The supplies for the weekend. And it was myjob as a ten year old, 11 year old, 12 year old, 13 year old, to go down to the shops to get the food in for the weekend and sort things out. And there were loads of occasions, or similar stories. Christmas, my dad wasnt bothered about christmas. I was going, i remember going through them all. The shame. The embarrassment particularly as a teenager. The anger as well. But i a lwa ys teenager. The anger as well. But i always loved my dad and he always loved me. And we were lucky, he was never violent and never abusive. There are millions of children or hundreds of thousands of children who are not in that lucky situation. Great Social Change requires three things, i think. It requires long term political will, it requires nonpartisan partnership and it requires bravery. And ive heard all three of those today. And i hope that each member who has spoken here today will continue to work with me as we fight on to tackle this social injustice. That was the Health Minister moved to tears that was the Health Minister moved to tea rs by that was the Health Minister moved to tears by Whatjon Ashworth had to say. And here to share their experiences of growing up with a parent who abused drugs and alcohol is 29 year old josh connolly, whose dad was an alcoholic and died when he was nine. 25 year old jade bailey, whose father was addicted to drugs and died a few years ago. 21 year old sarah, in liverpool, whose father is an alcoholic. Were not using her surname to protect his identity. Thank you for talking to us today. I imagine this is really difficult. Josh, your dad died when you were nine. What are your memories of your childhood . To be honest because i guess because of how traumatic a lot of it was. Its difficult for me to recall like proper sort of visual memories of the things that went on. I tend to only really remember a lot of the bad things. And also the feelings. Thats what stayed with me all my life and thats still tan jable today the way that my dads drinking and everything that comes with that made me feel. So what was normalfor you . Give with that made me feel. So what was normal for you . Give us a sense of what a normal day would be like around your dad. My dad was a chaotic alcoholic. So with my dad you never knew what he was going to get from one day to the next. I will give you an example. It was a heatwave one summer and we had gone toa heatwave one summer and we had gone to a park and it was jam packed full of people and my dad was drinking from cans and was visibly drunk and it was midday and he was walking along urinating as he walked and i can remember like a six or seven year old boy walking five or ten yards in front of him, but feeling a deep sense of shame, but also guilt that i couldnt stand next to my dad in alliance and to protect my dad and then anger, anger at everybody looking and the shame that it was making me feel, but the anger was never directed towards my dad in my case, i directed it outwards. So i grew up with quite a strong sort of dislike to the rest of the world really. Jade, your mum and dad split up when you were quite little, didnt they . Yes. I know you saw your dad at weekends, but from the age of six he used to take drugs around you . Well, its probably from the age i dont even remember. Really. My mum never knew. When i used to go there on the weekends, him and his friends, it was a little flat and him and his friends used to take drugs around me and call it their medicine and i knew, i knew, it was never right and it was never a medicine. I knew, i knew, it was never right and it was nevera medicine. I remember them going into the bathroom and i can picture it now going into the bathroom and doing it and coming out and them all being off their face and them all being off their face andl and them all being off their face and i would just go upstairs to the hairdressers which atamped to the flat. My dad was a dj and i would listen to the dj music that he had. What sort of drugs was he talking . He started on the basics. Well, i say the basics, but so youve got weed and ecstasy and things like that and then he went on to heroin. When he went on to heroin i was about ten years old. And he was a mess. I mean our about ten years old. And he was a mess. I mean our fun about ten years old. And he was a mess. I mean our fun time on a weekend, andl mess. I mean our fun time on a weekend, and i hate to admit it, our fun time at the weekend was going to the skip and trying to find toys. I thought it was amazing. My dad was always my hero and if anything, he always my hero and if anything, he always will be because he made me how i am now so after i eventually told my mum, my dad takes this medicine with his friends she knew what was going and didnt stop contact, i could always speak to him ifi contact, i could always speak to him if i wanted to, but it was sparse on his part. I always kind of had to make the effort, but i didnt spend time at his house anymore. What does it do to you as a child so young six or younger, seeing your dad doing that and understanding that its not right . The reason why i begun to speak out about it is because ive never had one answer made by him. I never had one answer made by him. I never had one answer made by him. I never had that question answered by him and it is why was i not enough to make you stop . Why as a child do you not love me enough to stop and to be my dad . Because he knew how much i adored him and i knew he adored me. I knew that i was the only thing that he cared about in his life apart from the drug. I knew i was everything to him and he was to me. Which is why it was so hard for my mum and she was incredible. They were only 16 when they had me. So she completely, we grew up together if anything and its, it makes you feel very alone like youre not enough, and abandoned by them, but you love them so much that you just cant, you cant ever leave them no matter what they do, you know that theyre sick. Its not that they, not that theyre weak. Not that theyre, he wasnt a bad man. He was just not that theyre, he wasnt a bad man. He wasjust very, very sick. With the addiction and unfortunately that fled on to me, but it made me a better person today which is strange to say, but im antidrug. I speak out to a lot of younger people who are going through it and help them through the process as well and its just, im a little less emotional now. I dont really have many emotions. I feel like now. I dont really have many emotions. Ifeel like im now. I dont really have many emotions. I feel like im very numb from my younger years, but im a stronger person for it. As youre talking i can see thatjosh is nodding away and i want to bring in sarah as well. Sarah youre listening tojosh sarah as well. Sarah youre listening to josh and sarah as well. Sarah youre listening tojosh and to jade. Do you see similarities in their stories with what youve been through . Yeah, definitely, especiallyjades. I agree with it and it makes you a stronger person and it makes you a stronger person and more braver and resill zant to life challenges. Your dad is an alcoholic. Explain what your childhood was like. Well, in my early years it was more happy memories of my dad because he brought me up so it kind of made it harder when he turned to alcohol because i couldnt understand why he turned to alcohol. And then it made me more hard tore walk away because i missed the old dad he was. Sol would have to look after him when i came home from school and i kind of always wish, i wanted the old dad back, the one that he was when i was little. How hard was it for you to be collecting him from the pub after he was drinking or getting him out of bed to go to work when youre just a child . I found it quite embarrassing. Sol just a child . I found it quite embarrassing. So i think thats why i never told anyone. And it would always, sometimes he wouldnt come home from the pub or i would be waiting up all night for him to get home because i could never sleep unless i knew he was home safe and thenl unless i knew he was home safe and then i would always be tired getting up then i would always be tired getting up for school. So it was quite emotionally and mentally draining for a kid to have to go through that. You talked about the emotion of it and the embarrassment which is something that i have not really thought about. My dad, because obviously, i went to school in the area where he lived. I didnt live in the same area and he used to, when he was high on the drugs, he used to use my name against people. He would say, my daughterjade will beat you up when you get to school. I used to have girls come up to me at school ready to fight saying your dad is going around telling everyone and they all knew he was a drug addict. They all knew what he was doing. So without me, my closest friends know about my situation, but they dont know in detail. It is only in the last couple of months that ive spoken out at all. So, if anything, he told people more than i did because he put me in that position. So when youve, when youre 13 position. So when youve, when youre13 years position. So when youve, when youre 13 years old position. So when youve, when youre13 years old and girls are coming up wanting to fight because your dad who you barely see is putting your name out there that youre going to attack them. I wouldnt attack anyone. It wasnt the greatest feeling. I was ashamed that he would do that to me. It broke my heart at the same time that he would put me in danger. Yet you say you love him. I want to bring in jon ashworth mp. We have had a tweet from pamela saying this story brought me to tears. How brave is jon for sharing this moving story. Jon, it must have been difficult for you to stand up in the commons and talk about this. It was very difficult and it is more difficult listening to it because as im listening to it because as im listening to it because as im listening to it, there is huge part of me feeling like i betrayed my dad andi of me feeling like i betrayed my dad and i shouldnt have said what i said. Its very difficult. Part of me is regretting saying it. But another part of my thinks we have got to speak out because there is too many children who are suffering in silence because theyve got a pa rent in silence because theyve got a parent who abuses alcohol or drugs and it is something that weve not really talked about as a society before. Weve not really put in place the measures to support them. When i listen back to the speech just now, there is part of me feeling very guilty about speaking out, there is another part of me thinking i have got a job with responsibility now and i want to do something with thatjob and if i can make a difference for children of alcoholics then at least ive done something important in life. Jon, if it helps you, jade and josh in the studio are nodding when you were talking about feeling that youd let your dad down, betrayed him in some way, but of course, ut havent and youve clearly succeeded in life. You have been successful. What impact did the way your dad behave have on you . Did you make you stronger . Well, i mean, who knows . I will leave that to the psychologists. You must have an idea of the way it impacted on you . M made me determined in life to do things. My dad was never violent. He was never abusive. If anything, the problem with my dads drinking was, everybody liked him. Everybody thought he was funny, good company, you know, what a laugh, good old john ash, Nobody Saw It as a problem, isnt he great fun when he had a drink . Yes, he was great fun, but i was the person who had to pick it allup or but i was the person who had to pick it all up or sort things out and it ebbed and flowed throughout my childhood years. Sometimes it was very bad. Sometimes it was manageable, but i suppose i think it made me determined. It made me want to change things in life. I was lucky. He was never violent, abusive, he was never horrible to people. He was a sort of a happy drunk if you like, but in some ways, that made him want to drink more because people liked him when he was drunk if you know what i mean . You said before that you would not ta ke you said before that you would not take drugs, i wonder what it did to you, sarah, what is your relationship to drink and drugs . |j always feel nervous when i am around drunk people so i tend not to drink too much because it reminds me of looking after my dad and the embarrassment and shame and sadness soi embarrassment and shame and sadness so i try to stay away from it. For me it was slightly different to the others who have spoken, i went on to have troubles with alcohol myself. I think its important to recognise the different roles children take on within the family, often children become the caregivers. There were three of us kids in ourfamily and i became the mask and within the family, so i found my place in life by trying to make others happy, i a lwa ys by trying to make others happy, i always wanted to make sure my mum was ok so i kind of active the clown and that was where i found my place in life. Acted the clown. It became a Co Dependency thing. I wa nted became a Co Dependency thing. I wanted more than anything do not become an alcoholic. But for me when i was 12 or 13 and i found alcohol it became the perfect escape route, it became the perfect escape route, it really worked, to some degree, it gave me the escape that i needed. I was never really able to look after my dad or do anything like that. So i kind of felt lost in the world so at school i am acting in the clown and at home trying to be the best me so alcohol gave me an escape from that. Thank you so much for coming m, that. Thank you so much for coming in, all of you. It is very, very ha rd to in, all of you. It is very, very hard to be so open so we really appreciate that. And by the way at last nights baftas, the actor Casey Affleck spoke about his experience of having a parent who struggled with alcohol when he picked up his award for best actor for his role in manchester by the sea. The reason that i act, its because when i was a young kid, my mother would take me to the Al Anon Meetings For Children Of Alcoholics. And there would be lots of kids there and they would re enact the person at their home who they were trying to understand. It was therapy, but it was acting, and it was. And acting has sort of been that for me ever since. More on the baftas later in the programme. If youre affected by alcoholism or addiction, you can find a list of charaties which may be able to help on the bbcs action line. Bbc. Co. Uk action line. Now the weather with carol. Now the weather with carol. Today now the weather with carol. Today is now the weather with carol. Today is windy in the west, especially the coasts of wales and the south west, severe gales, maybe some transport disruption. A little sunshine coming through across most of england, wales and northern ireland, down the coast of scotland and east coast of england we will keep the cloud and despite temperatures in double figures it will feel cold wherever you are. Hello, its monday, just after 10am. Im chloe tilley, in for victoria derbyshire. The Ministry Ofjustice says it is investigating allegations of Security Failings that a privately run prison in North Eastern england as bbc undercover filming run prison in North Eastern england as bbc undercoverfilming reveals run prison in North Eastern england as bbc Undercover Filming Reveals A World Of Violence and drugs were the prisoners are in charge. In the next few minutes we will speak to a former prisoner who says 85 of people in the prison he was then what on the drug spice. The children of a terminally ill couple who died of cancer within days of each other have shared this photograph of their parents last moments together. We will speak to a Family Friend, later. And adele cleans up the main awards at the grammys and gets teary in a tribute to beyonce. Winning this feels like coming full circle, i feel a bit winning this feels like coming full circle, ifeel a bit of me has come back, i feel circle, ifeel a bit of me has come back, ifeel i cannot accept circle, ifeel a bit of me has come back, i feel i cannot accept this award, for me, the lemonade album was so monumental. No ben with the news. A bbc investigation has found evidence of major Security Failings at a privately run prison in the north east of england. Panorama filmed undercover at the jail in morpeth and discovered a number of problems, including inmates using drugs. Sodexo, who run the prison says the safety of staff and inmates is their top priority. The Ministry Ofjustice says it will investigate the footage and the government is committed to reforming prisons. I cannot react the way i want to because there is not back up there britains biggest supermarket, tesco, has promised to take immediate action after a bbc investigation revealed two thirds of deals on the shelves were out of date, and didnt work at the checkout. Over three months, a team from bbc inside out visited 50 branches of tesco across england and found multi buy deals still being advertised days, weeks and in some cases months after the deductions were no longer valid at the till. The supermarket says its working to make sure its prices are accurate. A man from bury in Greater Manchester has been charged with an offence under the explosive substances act aftera suspicious package was found at an airport. 43 year old Nadeem Muhammed is accused of making or possessing an explosive. It follows the discovery of a suspicious package at Manchester Airport last month. The body that approves church law, the general synod of the Church Of England, begins meeting today. Much of the debate is likely to centre on the clergys response to a Report On Gay Marriage, which upholds a traditional definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman. A group of retired bishops have written an open letter, accusing the church of ignoring the views of Gay Christians. Parents have told this programme they were conned out of thousands of pounds by an organisation that claimed it could win custody of their children. The parents voice london is a service that provided mckenzie friends. Mckenzie friends are people who generally arent legally trained, but provide support for those going through the Family Courts. The company charged for their services. There are now calls for this to be regulated. Firefighters in australia are still battling around 100 bushfires in new south wales. Several homes and trees have been destroyed, but so far there are no reports of any casualties. Australia has been experiencing a record heatwave with temperatures as high as 47 degrees forecasters are Warning Conditions could become dangerous again by the end of the week. Hollywood musical la la land dominated this years baftas in a star studded night in london. The film won five trophies in all, including best film and best actress for one of its stars, emma stone. There were also awards for the film lion, including best supporting actor for british star dev patel. Ken loachs i, daniel blake was named outstanding british film. Casey affleck was named best actor for manchester by the sea, and viola davis won best supporting Actress Prize for fences. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 30. Now the sport. Joe root is expected to be named englands test captain today, the yorkshire batsman would succeed Alastair Cook, was captain for more than four years. Freddie flintoff says root is the obvious choice. You have to sayjoe root is probably the only candidate, the way he plays and the way he goes about his business you would imagine will lead itself to being a great captain. Look at virat kohli for india. Joe root is in the same class as a player and a similar person so he would get my backing every time. Official figures show that 39 of players who played in the English Football League last season were not officially tested for doping. Samples were taken from players appearing in the league in the last season, the Football Association say they have prioritised the anti doping programme at the elite end. Claudio ranieri says he may need to change things at leicester, the premier League Champions facing Relegation Battle following their defeat to swa nsea. Battle following their defeat to swansea. This volley gave the home side the lead. Just before half time Swa Nsea Side the lead. Just before half time swansea added a second. And this win the for swansea moves them up to 15th in the table but it is a fifth defeat in a row for leicester. After the match Claudio Ranieri was asked if he had been too loyal to his title winning players. Could be. Of course, it is difficult, when you achieve something so good, you want to give them one chance, two chances, three chances, maybe now is too much. Chelsea ten points clear at the top of the Premier League but only managed a draw at burnley. It took just seven only managed a draw at burnley. It tookjust seven minutes only managed a draw at burnley. It took just seven minutes for chelsea took just seven minutes for chelsea to ta ke took just seven minutes for chelsea to take the lead, pedro with the opener. But then look at there is a brilliant free kick from burnleys new signing, robbie brady, levelling the game at1 1. New signing, robbie brady, levelling the game at 11. I dont know, its not important for me. One more point in the table. Its the most important thing. One point, two points coming in the feature you can see this. Rangers into the last eight of the scottish cup after coming from behind to beat Greenock Morton 2 1. Martyn waghorn won and for rangers in their first match after the departure of mark warburton, their manager, last week. And in the six nations scotland were narrowly beaten by france in paris, their tenth successive defeat in the french capital. Scotland twice went ahead through tries from stuart hog and this one from tim swinson. But five penalties from lopez did the damage with France Holding on to win, 22 16. England on the only unbeaten side in the tournament. The headlines at 1030. Chloe. Thanks, will. Widespread drug use, a lack of control, door alarms that dont go off, a hole in an internal security fence, prisoners possibly sneaking out to collect drugs or other contra band thrown over the perimeter fence, inmates incapacitated by drugs, threatening staff. And in one particularly disturbing scene a Prison Officer having convulsions on the floor after accidentally inhaling spice, a cheap and stronger Synthetic Alternative to cannabis. Thats what the bbc discovered when it carried out secret filming at Hmp Northumberland. So does that reflect what goes on in jails across the country . We can speak now to james bell, who has been in and out of prison for 26 years he was last inside in april, and was addicted to spice on his last two times in prison. James parker is from the rehabilitation for Addicted Prisoners trust. And david, who spent more than 20 years working as a Prison Officer and has seen first hand what happens to people who take the drug. He doesnt want us to use his surname. Also we can speak to bill, who has got in touch, he is a viewer who has beenin got in touch, he is a viewer who has been in and out of prison for most of his life and was lost inside prison just over three months ago. Thank you all for coming to talk to us. I want to speak to bill first, if we can. You were last in prison three months ago. What was it like them, compared to the last time you we re them, compared to the last time you were in prison which i understand was a number of years ago . |j were in prison which i understand was a number of years ago . I started prison in 1976 right up to 2006, ive spent 26 years of my life in most prisons in the country, i was in strangeways and everything. I stayed out for ten years but i lapsed and i ended up back in rochester prison. And it traumatised me. The staff were so overworked and under staffed and they dont control the prison. The prisoners control the prison. The prisoners control the prison. The prisoners control the prison. Spice is rife. Drones are the main cause of drugs coming into prisons and it is a very different environment than what it was in The 70s And 80s and 905. It was in the 705 and 805 and 905. It actually acts as a deterrent never to go back to prison. It is horrendous. There is a back of positive activities for the inmates to do due to Staff Shortages. There isa to do due to Staff Shortages. There is a lack of therapy due to Staff Shortages. There is a lack of lock in due to Staff Shortages. And i cant see any way for it changing u nless i cant see any way for it changing unless the government really pull their finger out, unless the government really pull theirfinger out, you know, and do something and reform the prisons. I can emphasise, i think it was james on there, i tried spice once and id never go near the stuff again. It is horrendous stuff. Bill explain to people who have heard of spice, but dont know what it does to you. What effect did it have on you . dont know what it does to you. What effect did it have on you . I smoked cannabis for 41 years and i gave it up cannabis for 41 years and i gave it up two years ago of the but spice, they advertise it as an alternative to cannabis, but it is nothing like cannabis. I believe it is made from fish. I took three dregs and i thought i was going to have a heart attack. I started sweating and i felt really ill. I thought there was no way im doing that again. I tried it once. It was christmas and id never do it again. I have seen people change from being positive, fit, healthy, good looking to like, you know, grey, white shells who become extremely violent if they havent got it. I think it is like crack. I call it green crack because it is so addictive and a lot of prisoners are running around to get it. The reason they are getting it because there is nothing for them to do. Sometimes youre locked up for 23 hours a day and it makes you angry and frustrated. I have seen some people, they have been on spice and they get involved in Therapy Things and they change. And they go to work and they change. But because of the under staffing and i think, no, listen, years ago, ifought Prison Officers, it was us and them, but now i sympathize with the Prison Officers because theyre losing control. Nobody above them is listening and i feel sorry for them and ive noticed while i was in rochester there is a lot of young Prison Officers starting, but within three months theyd leave because they couldnt cope with the job. They would come in thinking they we re they would come in thinking they were going to do some good and help prisoners reform. I want to bring in james. You mentioned james bell and he was talking about you used spice. Can you identify with what bill was saying, the effect it has on you . Totally. I think bill hit the nail on the head just how prison has changed over the years. I remember in the 90s changed over the years. I remember in the 905 it was different. There was still a drug problem, it isjust that things have got more chaotic and the drugs have changed. Again, Staff Shortages. You know, all these elements are just creating more problems. For me personally, my experience of spice was to pass the time, you know, because i battled addiction for 25 years that was all i knew, drugs. And prison to me was just an Occupational Hazard really and that was a way of making money in prison, you know, using drugs, using spice, selling spice, and i think thats the mentality now of the Prison System where people who are in prison and for the first time, you know, i have been clean now for under a year. So, but again, it was the Staff Shortages because i wanted help. Iwent it was the Staff Shortages because i wanted help. I went into prison the la st wanted help. I went into prison the last time and it was like wow, this is chaos. So halfs it like . Give us an idea of an average day on your wing in prison . Average day. Pretty mundane really. Youre up for breakfast. If youre going to education, again, which is one day andl education, again, which is one day and i have done it that many times over the years, id stop listening or people just werent participating in the education and it was basic so it became bored. If i was let out my cell, if not, i would it became bored. If i was let out my cell, if not, iwould be banged up for 23 hours a dayjust watching tv soi for 23 hours a dayjust watching tv so i wanted something to talk me away from that. It is that escapism . For me, it was. David was a Prison Officerfor 2a for me, it was. David was a Prison Officer for 2h years and left over a year ago. What bill and james are telling us is effectively prisoners are running prisons. There are not enough Prison Officers there and it is out of control. Do colleagues agree with that . Absolutely, yes, 100 . I started 24 years ago and we would have four members of staff on a landing. Now youre lucky if there is one. So, i speakto a landing. Now youre lucky if there is one. So, i speak to one of my friends and hes telling me theyre unlocking the wing that i used to work on with four members of staff to unlock 200 prisoners. Its frightening. Some people will be watching thinking how on earth, james has already said, 85 of people he believes at the jail he was in, were on spice. How is that quantity getting into prison . M comes over the wall. It comes in through parcels. It comes in hidden, secreted in prisoners. And the Prison Officers know this, but are simply overwhelmed and cant do anything about it . The cuts in the staffing have changed the searching policies. They do get very good results with target searching. There is no random searching anymore. Or there wasnt when i was there. It is slowly, slowly being eroded and yeah, iagree slowly, slowly being eroded and yeah, i agree with the two other guys. The prisoners are taking control of the prisons. James, iwant control of the prisons. James, i want to bring you in. Is this simply about numbers of Prison Officers . Weve got a former Prison Officers . Weve got a former Prison Officer there and we have heard from two former inmates saying this is about numbers. Do you think it is about numbers. Do you think it is about numbers. Do you think it is about numbers or is it more than that . Lack of numbers, as a charity that . Lack of numbers, as a charity that runs drug and Alcohol Treatment Services we cant have our services properly enabled so for instance the experience that james had, properly enabled so for instance the experience thatjames had, even if he was in a prison that offered a Treatment Programme there isnt the officers there to unlock everybody so they can participate in the Rehabilitation Side of prison. Lots of prisoners look for help. If we havent got the resources there to enable the services, the security, the safety thats there, then as a provider of those services you just get incredibly frustrated and you feel the frustration for the people that youre commissioned to help. We are commissioned to help people like james when he was in prison and i think thats where the whole system needs to review what are we trying to do with prisons the moment . Are we actually looking at what bill tation and rehabilitation so people can change their lives which is our whole focus. Some prisoners in their education if you like, the way to be rehabilitated was to colour this pepa pig. Is that unusual . No. Not at all. Or playing cards. Thats what we did because again, the Staff Shortages and i think you go through it that many times. Prison is like a Revolving Door for a lot of prisoners. It is the same Like Programme all the time of education. There needs to be rehabilitation and recovery wings and the support really, but it is all the Different Services in the system which are running from cuts and shortages so then we miss out. The ones who do wa nt then we miss out. The ones who do want to change. I wanted to change. And have done so congratulationsment you turned your life around for the last year. Thank you so much all of you for coming in. You can see that panorama in full tonight at 8. 30pm on bbc one or catch up later on iplayer. Adele stole the show at the grammys overnight not just for her stunning performance and haul of awards but also for having to stop her performance as she paid tribute to George Michael. Its the second time shes faced technical hitches whilst performing at the grammys. I know its live tv, im sorry, i need to start again. I cant do it again like last year. Im sorry for swearing and im sorry for starting again. Can we please start it again . Im sorry, i cant mess this up for him. I miss my baby. Cheering. Her second attempt was, of course, flawless, and received a Standing Ovation from the audience at the Staples Centre in los angeles. She went on to win five count them five grammys, but said beyonce should have won Album Of The Year over her. 25. Adele. Producers danger mouse, samuel dickson. I cant possibly accept this award. My artist of my life is beyonce and this album, for me, the lemonade album, was just so monumental. Beyonce, it was so monumental. And so well thought out. And the way that you may me and my friends feel, the way you make my black friends feel, is empowering, and you make them stand up for themselves and i love you. Cheering. There is a curse that will be broken. 1,000 girls raise their arms. My intention for the film and album was to create a body of work that would give a voice to our pain, our struggles, our darkness and our history. To confront issues that make us uncomfortable. Ijust want to thank president agent orange for perpetuating all of the evil that you have perpetuated throughout the United States. Shout outs to every independent artist out there. Shout outs to soundcloud for holding me down. Its another one, baby that was chicagos chance the rapper, who won three grammys, including best new artist. By the way, this is Gnarls Barkley singer ceelo green, who youll know for his song crazy, as he arrived at the Grammys Last Night in a particularly crazy outfit part tin man, part big gold statue. And, of course, it was also the batfas last night. La la land, the hollywood musical, was the big winner with five awards, including best film and best actress for emma stone. The bafta is awarded to. Both la la land. Thank you so, so much. When i was a young kid, my mother would take me to the Al Anon Meetings For Children Of Alcoholics and there would be lots of kids there and they would re enact the person at their home who they were trying to understand. It was therapy, but it was acting, and it was. And acting has sort of been that the ever since. Films can do many things. They can entertain, they can terrify, they can take us to worlds of the imagination, they can make us laugh and they can tell something about the real world we live in. August answers that question so brilliantly. Because what he did is he said that our that lives mattered as african americans. And the bafta goes to dev patel for lion. Wow. That just happened. Please welcome to the stage mel brooks. I think bafta has made good choices to diet, especially me. I want to apologise to the duke and the duchess and Prince Philip for the american revolution. We were young there is the costume im guessing it isa there is the costume im guessing it is a mask. Im Guessing Hejust wa nted it is a mask. Im Guessing Hejust wanted us to talk about it. I guess he has succeeded. Lets get some analysis of all of last nights Celebrity News with hollywood journalist jeanne wolf, who watched every second of last nights Grammy Awards. Lets talk about adele. I saw things on twitter saying she had actually split her award in half. Is that true . It is true. Here is what happens. 0nce true . It is true. Here is what happens. Once you win the award and we saw when she won that third award how flustered she was and how she almost wanted to give it over to beyonce and she said she wished she hadnt won it. When you finish, you go backstage and they take photographs of you and you go to the press room and in the press room she appeared with her grammy in two pieces saying, this has to go to beyonce. Album of the year was lemon in aid. Shejust beyonce. Album of the year was lemon in aid. She just felt very funny about it. Of course, she accepted it. Five years ago, she won the five big awards at the grammys and now, with the album 25, she has done it again. Do we know if beyonce took the bit of the award that she snapped off . Well, i think well read all about that in the morning im sure theyll meet up at parties if beyonce in her condition feels like going dancing but in any case, no adele wanted to make a very public, very talked about gesture. Talking about beyonce of course, in her condition, she is several months pregnant. She sat on a chair and it went back in one of he amazing performances. It was incredible. Tell us about the other big winners of the night. You will read the full list of winners, the once people are talking about our dell and beyonce. The others were evenly spread around and there was a lot of talk about how political the night would be how g tiara our show as tiara our show before e, the show goes a two our show before the show goes on air, so many awards are given out that night. Beyonce did win a couple of Grammy Awards but when it came to the big ones, it was all adele. You know that she started singing her tribute song to George Michael and felt that she was off key, said a swear word , felt that she was off key, said a swear word, apologised more than you would expect from an artist, and sergei had to start again, and when she did she was amazing. So all the conversation today, everyone else is eclipsed, in their own minds, you will have heard the speech is, it ta kes a will have heard the speech is, it takes a lot to stick to being a musician. Your pride in your music, and the Music Industry puts barriers at every point. And she is a mother, she does this all with a child. They you for speaking to us. Legendary director ken loach picked up the award for best british film for i, daniel blake, about the uks welfare system. You can see our exclusive interview with him last week on the Programme Page bbc. Co. Uk victoria. We area we are a little late again, but here is ben with the news. Thank you. A bbc investigation has found major Security Failings at a privately run prison in north east england, panorama found a number of problems including inmates using drugs, the organisation that runs the prison says safety is as priority. The Ministry Ofjustice is to investigate the footage and says the government is committed to reforming prisons. The co op bank is up for sale. It has over 4 million customers but almost collapsed in 2013 after financial problems. Since thenit 2013 after financial problems. Since then it has been run by private Investment Companies who say they have now made considerable progress in turning the business around. Almost 200,000 people in Northern California are being evacuated from their homes after the tallest dam in their homes after the tallest dam in the usa was weakened by heavy rainfall. Officials feared the 0 roville rainfall. Officials feared the 0roville dam could be about to colla pse 0roville dam could be about to collapse after a giant hole developed in the Overflow Channel. Crews using helicopters have dropped rocks to fill the hole in the spillway and the excess water has stopped flowing. Thats the latest news. Join me for bbc Newsroom Live at 11am. Now the sport with will. Breaking news, it has been confirmed thatjoe root will be named englands test captain at 11am. The yorkshire batsman will succeed Alastair Cook who resigned after more than four years in charge last week. A Press Conference will be held at headingley on wednesday. Official figures today show that 39 of players in the English Football League last season were not drugs tested by uk anti doping. The fa say it prioritised its anti doping programme at the elite end. Claudio ranieri says he may have been too loyal to his leicester players with Ed Premier League Title Defence now a Relegation Battle, they one point above the bottom three after losing yesterday at swa nsea. Three after losing yesterday at swansea. France beat scotland 22 16 in the six nations, the tenth time ina row in the six nations, the tenth time in a row scotland have lost in paris. England on the only unbeaten side in the tournament after two games. More news on the bbc news channel throughout the day. You. Parents have told this programme they were conned out of thousands of pounds by an organisation that claimed it could win custody of their children. The parents voice london offered mckenzie friend services. Theyre people who generally arent legally trained and are meant to provide support for those going through the Family Courts. Two of the companys directors, david bright and claire mann, were jailed last year for perverting the course of justice. There are now calls for regulations of mckenzie friends. We can speak to amanda macpherson, herself a mckenzie friend charges clients, and Derek Sweeting qc from the bar council which represents barristers in england and wales. People may not know who mckenzie friends r. They are helping people who go through any court and represent themselves, they have chosen to do away with traditional representation, perhaps because of cost or perhaps because they choose to speak for themselves. And you do what, fill in forms . To speak for themselves. And you do what, fillin forms . Yes, mckenzie friends will complete forms for pa rents, friends will complete forms for parents, will take them through the process , parents, will take them through the process, often give them more support than a solicitor would, and can attend court with them and sit beside them, often not able to speak directly to the court or to the judge, but sometimes given permission to do that. What are you charging . Most of the advice i give, in fact all the advice i give is free. I dont charge a penny for advising throughout the case. But i do charge for its direct work. 45p an hour is my rate. And expenses like travel which is half my hourly rate. Which is a fraction of the cost that parents would incur through a solicitor or a barrister. Derek, what are your concerns with mckenzie Friends Services . This is an area of operation caused by the withdrawal of legal aid and what you are getting is someone who people dont appreciate is not regulated, that means no training, no knowledge of the law, not insured, no redress if things go wrong you cant report them to the legal ombudsman, there is no regulator and you are not getting anyone who can stand up and speak for you in court. That is a misconception. And often, when they do charge, not all mckenzie friends tube and when they do they sometimes charge similar amounts to what a barrister or solicitor would charge. Do you have any qualifications . dont, i have none. Some people might be worried by that. Of course. They may well. Anyone looking for a mckenzie friend should check out the person they want to use, ask them what their experience is, ask if they can speak to clients who have used them before and they should be absolutely confident that this person knows what they are doing. Should there be greater regulation . This is what we are waiting to hear. Were waiting to hear if there will be greater regulation. Myself, i wouldnt be averse to regulation. I think it should be done in close consultation with clients, people looking to use mckenzie friends, and mckenzie friends themselves and the judiciary. In my experiencejudges often welcome the assistance of a mckenzie friend, especially in cases where both parties are not represented, they are on their own. What the judiciary also expressed their reservations about is whether there ought to be paid mckenzie friends because this is one area where unscrupulous people like the ones we heard about, find it easy to operate because there is no supervision, there is no regulation. But then it helps people who dont have much money and cant afford enormous legal bills that sometimes people face. That is a misconception, of course there are mckenzie friends who are competent and experienced like amanda and they perform a good service for many people. But and is a misconception to say it is so expensive that many people cant afford a lawyer. You can instruct a barrister directly. The charges are often in the same sort of area you would pay for a paid mckenzie friend. And it doesnt look convinced. Thats not the case. Ive had parents approach me to say that they have had solicitors wanting £250 to read a letter and advise them on their next step. Thats not affordable for many people. It isnt true, parents often face many years in court, especially when involved in protracted cases to spend time with their children and they face thousands upon thousands of pounds which adds insult to injury when they are not spending time with their children. These are comments coming in. Darren says he used a mckenzie friend and they were brilliant. When e mail says that they are experiencing the damage that mckenzie friends can do and that mckenzie friends can do and that it led to 18 months of hell for theirfamily. That it led to 18 months of hell for their family. Thank you that it led to 18 months of hell for theirfamily. Thank you both that it led to 18 months of hell for their family. Thank you both for coming in. You can watch our com plete coming in. You can watch our complete report on mckenzie friends on our website. When you see an offer on display at the supermarket you expect to receive it when you get to the tills. But that wasnt happening and now tesco says it will check the prices of all items in every store after an investigation found customers were being short changed on promotions. An undercover reporter for bbc inside out was overcharged on multi buy offers at two thirds of stores visited. In some cases multi buy deals were still being advertised on the shelves months after they had expired. Whos up for a good deal . Iam. Im a sucker for a special offer. Most of us are, and tesco knows it, too. Thats why the shelves at britains biggest supermarket are full of special offers. Money off this, buy two for that. You get the drift. And we all take it for granted that the price we see on the shelf is the price we will pay at the till, right . But what if things dont quite add up when you get home and unpack your shopping . Ive just bought a few bits at tesco and im sure these products were on special offer. Thats why ive bought two of each. But according to my receipt, ive paid full price. And thats the point. Ive paid 60 more than the deal on the shelf. Thats £3. 30 in hard cash. So does this happen more often than we think . Guy anker is from moneysavingexpert. Fergus muirhead is a consumer journalist who says theres clearly something wrong in the way offers have been delivered. And catherine shuttleworth, is from savvy marketing, which works on Retail Marketing campaigns. Welcome to you all. First, fergus, are you surprised that this is happening . I think it has been happening . I think it has been happening for a long time. Its quite often the case, i think, that you dont get what you think you are getting in supermarkets. That is what it is so important to check your receipt when you leave to make sure you paid what you thought you we re sure you paid what you thought you were going to for the goods you bought. There is no question that supermarkets make mistakes. Im surprised that a number of tesco shops are making the mistake, its a big number and shops are making the mistake, its a big numberand im shops are making the mistake, its a big number and im surprised its happening so often that it is important that as consumers we check what we have bored when we are at the till, that the three for two or the till, that the three for two or the two for one offers have been priced correctly. Thats all well and good when i shop alone but when my children with me and they are arguing and they want some chocolate and they are being annoying, or you are an old person and you get confused by things why should it be the responsibility of the consumer to check their receipts . Im not saying it is the consumers responsibility, they have to check and they should make sure what they have spent is right although tesco should take part of the blame, theyve obviously got sloppy management going on and offers that should be taken off the shelves should be taken off the shelves should be taken off the shelves should be taken off because it is absolutely their responsibility and they need to do something about it. Guy, what tactics do we need to be aware of that supermarkets used to make us spend more . Not all offers are good, and multi byte offers like three for two or something that would normally cost £1 50 and two of them would cost £2, if you were going to buy two of them anyway, a good deal but often they tempted to buy an extra product when you didnt wa nt buy an extra product when you didnt want it. Take fresh produce, meat or cheese which could go off. If you buy a second or third item and it goes off because you dont have the time its not a good deal. Much better offers are two for one because if you were going to buy something anyway it is free or a genuine reduction. Or if you buy Something Like toothpaste which has a shelf life it does not matter if you get an extra one. Are sometimes stocked up, the problem is where its going to go off. Tesco told us, we take great care to deliver clear and accurate price labels for our customers so they can make informed decisions on the products they buy. We are disappointed that errors occurred and will be working with the stores involved to reinforce our responsibilities to our customers. It is an issue of trust, isnt it, between massive stores, where it is hugely competitive now and the consumer . Absolutely and tesco will be really frustrated by this and i would imagine that they are out checking the stores today as will be their competitors. This isnt just something that happens in tesco, it will happen across the whole of the retail estate and thats important to remember is the scale and the size of the retailers. An average supermarket will have 60,000 individual lines and there will be 1,000 price changes a week, prices will go up as well as down and promotions will finish and they are delivered by human beings and there is error in there and it is important the businesses are well run so customers can trust them. We believe that tesco wont rip us off. 7596 believe that tesco wont rip us off. 75 of us trust tesco and this will bea 75 of us trust tesco and this will be a worry for them today and they will want to make sure they within the trust straight back. Thank you for coming in and talking to us. The full investigation can be seen in some english regions tonight on inside out at 7. 30pm on bbc one, and on the bbc iplayer. Still to come the children of a couple who died of cancer within days have released this heartbreaking photo to show the world how much they loved each other and were together to the end. Tens of thousands of People Living below the tallest dam in the United States have left their homes because of fears that an emergency Overflow Channel could give way. Weeks of heavy rain and snow have left the 0roville dam in Northern California at almost full capacity. Engineers have been trying to release some of the water and plug a hole in the channel by dropping rocks from helicopters. A little earlier, authorities explained the nature of the risk to the public. Essentially what were looking at is approximately a 30 foot wall of water that would be coming out of the lake. Not the lake drained, but a 30 foot wall of water. That is why we took the appropriate measures that we did. The sheriff did. And implemented the evacuation process that we had going. In butte county, what were looking at is approximately 35,000 residents under Evacuation Order. Yuba county, were looking at 65,000 underneath an Evacuation Order. Yuba city, 76,000 under evacuation warning. Marysville city, theres 12,000. We can speak to two people who had to leave their homes. Veronica ruiv, who is one of the 70,000 people evacuated from yuba city. Shes travelling in a convoy of five cars with her family, including her three daughters. And to xavier goeas, who has been evacuated from thermalito near 0roville. Hes travelling with his father and other members of family. Theyve made it to a hotel tonight. Veronica, are you still in your car . No, not anymore. Veronica, are you still in your car . No, notanymore. Ijust veronica, are you still in your car . No, not anymore. Ijust made it to a hotel. So how, are you in a safe area right now . Yes, we are in sacramento right now. Tell us how the authorities let you know you had to get out and how much time you had . I found out through facebook through the facebook channels of the emergency system of yuba city and all of our surrounding friends from the marys vil area who are closer to the river which is, has been flooded before. So, they are at a much higher risk than yuba, the marysvil area. Were you worried . My brother was at the Tennis Courts by the river. It is at a park located next to, where the river runs through. I was worried about him. We got in ourcarand through. I was worried about him. We got in our car and we took off the whole family and we went to him and we picked him up and i read the official report by the National Weather service about how the damage to the dam could have a critical failure or Something Like that in less than 60 minutes and the streets filled with cars and they were just driving erratically and we just had to get out of there. A sense of panic. Veronica, was it the same as you were leaving with all the cars . 0nce you were leaving with all the cars . Once i left the parkway of my home i realised that the situation was much more serious than what i expected. How much time did you have . We said your three daughters were in the car. It is difficult to get girls to do anything quickly. Did you have to pack bags quickly . They moved much faster than i did it time do you know what they packed . I spoke to a woman who had to leave her home because of wildfires and she told me her six year old daughter packed 12 pairs of pyjamas and nothing else . My pairs of pyjamas and nothing else . My oldest daughter did not pack very much my youngest packed all of her art stuff. I dont know why, but she is an artist and she likes to pack her crayons and my middle child says she didnt bring anything besides her iphone maybe thats all she needs. Are you getting good communication about how long you have to stay away and whether the dam is likely to burst . have to stay away and whether the dam is likely to burst . I checked on facebook and its still mandatory to evacuate from yuba city so they have not let us know when were able to go back. What information are you getting . We havent got, what i do know is when i left town that the Evacuation Order would be in effect until 4. 15 tomorrow or today now on monday. However, iwatched until 4. 15 tomorrow or today now on monday. However, i watched the until 4. 15 tomorrow or today now on monday. However, iwatched the news report and he changed his language that the sheriff of the county, he chaunged it from 4. 15pm to until further notice. Sol chaunged it from 4. 15pm to until further notice. So i mean that sort of hints to me that the situation could be getting worse or it might just remain where i cant go home until a longer time. Thank you both forjoining us. Good luck. I hope you get back to your homes soon. Stay safe and thank you for talking to us. The channel was weakened by heavy rainfall. I dont know why we were talking about that. We have just spoken to those people. The children of a terminally ill couple who died of cancer within days of each other have shared this moving photograph of their parents last moments together. Now it shows 57 year old mike bennet and his 50 year old wifejulie Holding Hands in a merseyside hospice. Mr bennet died last monday and his wife died late saturday night. We can speak to a friend of the family Heather Heaton gallagher. Heather, it is a really moving picture. I cant imagine what the family is going through right now. It must have been incredibly difficult to make that decision to release it . Yes. I think i will tell you how the photograph came around. Both julia and mike you how the photograph came around. Bothjulia and mike were in arrow park hospital. They have done a marvellous job. Mike park hospital. They have done a marvellousjob. Mike had become really unwell and he was blue lighted into arrow park and the nursing team have been brilliant. Mike has been unwell for threeiers and he has been in and out of care and he has been in and out of care and he has been in and out of care and he has been fighting this battle and he has been fighting this battle and had various operations and treatment and julie became really u nwell treatment and julie became really unwell between april last year and the diagnosis in may, both they different kind of cancer, you know, you couldnt write it, could you . So obviously they were in arrow park together and julie became unwell and admitted herself and the hospital staff pushed the beds together knowing that mike was nearing the end. The photograph was taken by a relative, by one of the aunties and it was purely because it was a beautiful photograph. These were two people who were pea ins a pod and loved each other detail crisis and they brought their kids up with that. They are a solid family unit. The kids released the photograph because, because of who they are and where they sit in the community. Everyone was asking all the time how isjulie . Everyone was asking all the time how is julie . How is everyone was asking all the time how isjulie . How is mike . Whats the news . Whats the update . Where are we . Can we do anything . It was to help people understand, it was a case of no, dad has passed and this was taken of the it was done out of love and sharing the photograph and the image and they were 0k and they we re the image and they were 0k and they were there together. Thats how the photograph came around, but we didnt expect the response weve from everyone around the world. It is really overwhelmed everyone and we are astonished and we are grateful for the support that the family has got at the moment. You say from around the world. So have you got people getting in touch from well beyond these shores . Oaks far and beyond. We have set up a just giving page and thats around raising funds to help the three kids luke, hannah and 0lly to fulfil the dreams and ambitions thatjulie and mike thud had. They didnt want luke to drop out of university and hannah to drop out of university and hannah to end college and go into a jobment they want them to continue their studies of the thats what the fund was set up for. The fund has grown and it has expanded beyond our belief and people are reaching out. The stories come from all walks of life. There was a chap from canada who said his brother, his brother in law was in the same situation and he lost both his pa rents. Situation and he lost both his parents. There is anotherfamily from america and they said, you know, i was that kid. I lost my pa rents know, i was that kid. I lost my parents when i was young. We get, you know, there is a pensionerfrom scotla nd you know, there is a pensionerfrom scotland who made contact and said, i cant afford to give you any money, but im going to knit something and ill put it towards the auction. There was a homeless quy the auction. There was a homeless guy in liverpool at the weekend who heard the conversations and all he collected that day, that £2. 56 he wa nted collected that day, that £2. 56 he wanted it to go to the kids. He knew the impact that these kids faced. Thats amazing. That must be immense comfort to their children. I know that youve spoken to them. What have they been saying to you . They cant believe it. Theyre astoweded. You know, when i share some of the comments, theyjust you know, when i share some of the comments, they just cant you know, when i share some of the comments, theyjust cant believe the support and it has really struck a chord. It helps them understand this is life changing for them. This Huge Community has got together and put their arms around them and said, it isa put their arms around them and said, it is a bit pants right now, but it will be ok. It helping with their grieving do you think . will be ok. It helping with their grieving do you think . I dont think, money doesnt help with grieving. It will take time for them to sink in. Monday morning and 0lly wa nted to sink in. Monday morning and 0lly wanted to go to school today. Your mum is not there and she is not ready to pack lunch or not given you money for your school dinners. Did you clean your shoes and where is your diary . Have i signed it . Those are the things that will impact the kids. They have not kaunties and aungles staying with them and theyre supporting them and as the kids get used to this, the aim is we keep them in the family home together. Mike and julie have just brought up three amazing kids. They are solid as a unit together. You will find hannah, will whip 0lly into shape and you will find luke will be giving hannah that hug as a big brother does and theyre there for each other now. Thank you for speaking to us. Heather. Whats the just giving number up to . £112,000. Thats amazing. From everyone in the family, thank you. Heather, thank you. Thanks for your company. Joanna will be presenting the programme tomorrow. You can reach out to us on twitter. Good morning. Much brighter day out there for many of us in comparison with recent days, but windy and over the next few days, as the winds come in from the south west, it will turn a good deal milder. Double figures for many of us by the middle of the week. It is more of an easterly wind today. A noticeable breeze. A good deal of isnt shine for england and wales and northern ireland, western scotla nd and northern ireland, western scotland too. For the north east of the uk, more in the way of cloud and rainfor the uk, more in the way of cloud and rain for the eastern side of scotland, but only four or five celsius along the eastern coast. Maybe ten or 11 celsius in the far south and west. It stays breezy overnight. Generally speak ago lot of fine and dry weather. But there will be a bit of rain and cloud in the south and the west keeping temperatures up. But elsewhere, it is two or three celsius to start the day on tuesday. Good spells of sunshine for northern and eastern parts of the uk, but cloud drifting up parts of the uk, but cloud drifting up from the south west will bring a little bit of rainfall with it. Temperatures generally speaking a notch or two up on todays values. Bye for now. This is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11 widespread drug abuse and Security Failings are revealed in one of the countrys biggest prisons by a bbc undercover investigation. Keep away from me unless you want me to use it on you. I would prefer you didnt. Pensioners are an average of £20 a week better off than working age people, a new report says. Tesco promises immediate action after a bbc investigation finds two thirds of its deals were out of date and didnt work at the checkout. Promised discounts or not given. Nearly 200,000 people in are evacuated from their homes in Northern California after heavy rainfall weakens the