Wall street journal. Let me start with you, where you basically said republicans gathered here for the political unction, they face a heaviest of questions, but the fundamental one is, is donald merely representing the Republican Party or does he now take ownership of it. Its really a question, not about donald trump but about either behind s him or not. Id he win because hes a guy that took advantage of an especially angry Political Climate . A republican field where the conventional guys sliced each other up and cleared the path . Or does he represent a different kind of Republican Party that was taking shape before he appeared and he just crystallize populace, a little bit working scale, more class, more rural, and antiestablishment Republican Party. Is going to emerge . I dont think we know the answer right now because the republican bety thats here is going to more in his image and likeness. Well see what happens in november but its an open question. What is the Republican Party today . I think its a little like reagan, changing the Republican Party by winning in 1980 that may be happening. It may not be happening. Im not sure we know the answer to that question. Putting it into the context of brexit. This among inting the sense of something much more goingnd and disruptive is on in the undercurrents of society and will this be a establishment e is broken, but an establishment the rge and is that animating force thats driving this today. Thats what i really question. That we, n a moment even trying to step back, cant actually see the profound thats going on. Charlie i want to mention one point. Is here. Oger stone sometimes he has Donald Trumps ear, whatever the relationship this is a war against the establish in. Both parties. Republicans and democrats. Both parties and out of both parties. I agree completely. I have not thought from the this election this is about donald trump. I thought it was about the disillusioned so with politics, the institutions, and want fundamental change in our lives, how we run our economies and run all of ur institutions, businesses, churches and schools. Especially government and politics. Eithergoing to happen is donald trump will win and people will be really angry when they changed the country, hasnt lived up to his hes going to lose to your point, its not just the Republican Party. Parties, they are like dinosaurs and the meteor has his. To the its hit closer Republican Party but its shaken them to their knees and we wont until weof this period have huge fundamental reform. Both parties, maybe makes one go away and we have a you this way of governing and running campaigns. About it this way. Were here watching the nomination of a republican is idential candidate who estranged from the chamber of commerce. From the bush family. Hes estranged from the romney family. From the governor of ohio where we sit. There is something going on here. Coming uctant support from the speaker of the house of the former speaker house, and the majority leader in the senate. I dont think weve seen anything quite like that. 1980 when there was a certain antiestablishment tone candidacy. Gan he had been governor of the largest state in the country for republican. As a 120 years ago, we had a huge conomic transition, huge technological change and created ic shifts that a time when people felt distant from their institutions. They were down on politics. A lot of first term president s. Congress, and 1895 . 1925. 5 to big populace movement that teddy and the other reformers, eventually to roosevelt and wilson. In both the republican and Democratic Party that realigned our politics. Movement . Re a if they draw these parallels from what the vote was in brexit even though they werent it have s does significant similarities . I think the tenor is very similar. Result may or may not be similar. A lot of people, i think, walked nto the ballot booth in the u. K. And voted for brexit thinking they were making a statement, not making a right . On, then they looked up the next morning and said, oh, really . We do have to leave now . Thought you were going i thought you were going to offset my votes so we wouldnt have to do. In well see whether november people who like the idea that donald trump is shaking up the system can walk into the ballot booth and pull the lever. Donald trump thought about this . No way. Hates this entire process. If it was up to him it would be businessmen, people in the people who have gone through and his family. This entire n for process, a process thats encapsulate, shining moment on the hill, make America Great and hes just treating it just something he has to get through. Hes an unnatural leader of what was a significant politicsll in the body of america. I dont know if i would call him a leader. Benefitted from what were creating. Ere just starting to wake up and realize how much power we each have as an individual. More power than at the beginning of humanity. Sociomedia and other technologies allow us to find aser people who are as angry we are over some things. Harlie underappreciated fact about the Trump Movement but also the sanders movement. I think a lot of this is rooted dysfunction of washington, nothing happens. So all because of ideology touch comes along and says i can done. Ings hes making an effectiveness argument. Sanders movement is rooted in same thing. His supporters say we would like a minimum wage a dollar higher washington can agree on that so we might as well ask for a 15 minimum wage. Anything else t done well ask for what we want and set our standards there because nothing will happen anyway. By the times. Aped these are kids who grew up pushing a button and everything happened immediately. They want that kind of response out of government and they arent getting it. Of other institutions. They watch 3,000 people melt in tower. They see their generation go off to work. They want purpose, purpose in of their life and they are not seeing any purpose coming out of washington. We can talk about the Political Parties will change. And about government governorness . They are demanding a different kind of system. System they feel more connected to. This movement, you know, this is off, to be the last dying in the future, we will see kind of new types of maybe a lot around the edges seems rougher but it will be more nature, just because social media inform the way connect. An its so much more intimate even though you may not be facetoface. Michigan, for t example. Why is it, even though everything has gone well in lint it will take months for people to realize their water was being poisoned . The way Government Works now you make a problem. You study it. Work with other agencies. Then you decide what the problem will be and then you come to the people and say, we have a solution for this problem we you about. D every Public Health test transparent and private transparent . Kind of thinking that this generation will bring to government and completely change things. We do why donald trump . Hy is he among all the people in america . But hes benefitting the most in the political world. Could argue, hes a t dog who caught the bus. Were description a bus and he arrived. Not different, i think, than he was 20 years ago. Hes had political ambitions for a while. He happened to arrive at a crystallized. Is is that right or did he just rent the party . Not as profound and hes just an aberration . If it is him its because he saying the right things at the right time. That d ron say, and in fact, this is a profound change. Its not about renting anything. This is fact, impact on the imts republican and Democratic Party. Donald trump is benefiting from the way things have changed. If, at a time like this, had if a man like huey long twitter and the internet. Would history have changed . Landscape. Whole new where not only can a guy like donald trump affect change in a way but each of us can. You now have hundreds of housands of demagogues on twitter. You can argue donald trump resources,use he had b, he was he understood media. Had celebrity, and those enabled him to jump in front of aspired to take advantage of, to identify with, connect with. He understands the one thing he understands better than nyone outside is how social media is used. He saw, its a trolling system. To insult people. Thats what its used for. He definitely mastered that. About putting out positive messages about your campaign. Actually what people like to do is roast and burn each other. He saw that way before we d. He is a ealized Media Business and he realized he was big business to those media companies. Created hink the media donald trump but the media responded to him, it was the insaberablee saw our ppetite for the biggest circus he was bringing to town. Shell very much have to grapple they go when headtohead. Thats not going to stop. What he brings. Pick up on your metaphor that hes the dog that caught the bus. With this happening hundreds of populace buses. They are moving out of the across the spectrum people demanding change. Onald trump quantity of those buses. He speaks for a small just a and ion of the populace hes speaking to them, they may make i am president. 2008, barack obama caught the bus by promising hope and change be done, too. No one is doing it in this election. If you listen carefully around here this week and listen to Trump Supporters an the Trump Campaign, there is the lying hillary and crooked hillary, thats fine. Thats your twitter conversation about. Oure talking there are another couple of words that are coming out now hat i think it represents their attempt to take advantage of this climate. Not just ed, describing her but the whole clinton campaign. Thats what they will say. Stale old. Is the they represent Hillary Clinton her campaign epresents the stale, old politics that weve come to stop and thats the different kind of contrast. Change is anish every campaign. Right. Actually now, this is the worst time probably in our ifetimes to be running as a status quo candidate. The only thing thats saving illary clinton, two things, one, a Democratic Party has huge demographic and electoral ollege advantage but the biggest thing is shes rung against donald trump. Hes such an imperfect candidate status quo candidate you know what will happen . The establishment, including a populace will say, a an never win, the people have the power of the establishment, and somebody will figure this out. And take things over. Charlie explain on that more. Well, i happen to think that donald trump, you know, probably is not going to beat Hillary Clinton. Nd Hillary Charlie because of the demographic advantage . And because hes such an advantage. All of those things dont stack up very well compared to her mightis why this election defy the times and you could win. A status quo candidate people arent going to say im satisfied with the status quo. Not talking just about trump people. Everybody demanding change and the one politics is institution in their country hasnt been disrupted. Look at whats happened in thes 10 years. What happened to the media country, in every institution except government and politics. So it can go one of two ways in the next four, eight, 10, 12 years. Have a democrat going who is smoother and more who ble than donald trump, takes over the country in a hughey way, a slicker, long with the internet. Or could you have somebody, with barack obamaons, a model, who runs and actually is credible hope and does change things in a positive way a teddy roosevelt. Charlie donald trump doesnt necessarily mean a celebrity. Be overwhelmed by celebrity candidates. I dont think thats true but here will be a necessity for politicians in the future to communicate with voters in a different way. 10point policy papers and its not staged speeches. Its pot to be more personal. An open k there is question and this goes back to the beginning of our what happens act after a trump loss . Does the Republican Party snap ideologically to where it had been in which case a paul ryan or ted cruz is back in or has it moved past that . I dont think we know the answer to that question, but its an question because of what were seeing in cleveland this week and what the party has gone year. Gh so far this charlie big moment for this convention is on thursday night. To do . Es trump need he needs, i think the challenge for the Trump Campaign s to make america as comfortable with the donald trump as a president. An you see him being your president . Him in the oval office . Right now thats not something people are comfortable enough with to do that. Charlie how he does he do it . He has to look president ial. Results. Ixed but i think he has to look as if hes mastered some of the things does talking about that he have a grasp of politics that his a reasonable guy and not necessarily a hot head. You get a chance you get a few big chances to do that, a at your convention where youre accepting the nomination is one of those. Hes not going to do any of though. Hings, his own advisers openly say were not going to do any policy because its a campaign and different. Thats what i think is so interesting. We keep waiting for him to to change ecting him to be more president ial, stay on message, i dont think hes going to do those things. In his dna . Its not in his dna, hes not going to change and hell keep he does. T the key thing is he may win. Put it, he said i think brexit was a more candidate than donald trump s. Im not so sure. People want to smash things. Very imperfect, receptacle to that but if he wanting gh behind him to do that he could coast him. I think hes going to do what erry d. Lets assume he doesnt. He comes out, gives a speech, the teleprompter and gives credible speech. Since the bar is so low well say great speech, hes pivoted changed things but dont forget how much the world has changed since we used terms like pivoted and since we all assume you only have a few moments. Back when we were the have a ers you did only few moments. We would only let the public three or four on debates, Big Convention day, when we were really marshalling media, y around, old right . Now donald trump will be exposed to the public all the time, on social media, in the new way we do things, every day, practically all day long, so he put on an act one day, but what is he going to do the next day and the next . Going to change himself consistently for the next three months because that what he has to do. No longer being able to change peoples minds in one day. They will be looking the next to see if its real or not. You cant fake your way through. These are the other big charlie, three president ial debates with Hillary Clinton, how does gi who can lick a the job they may like Hillary Clinton think sheher but they can handle the job. In the last debate, he convinced people they were with him as a president. You will remember, thats when thats when the was hit and int everything moved his way. Charlie the added advantage, he had been governor for two terms. Forget, things have changed. He could do really good in the debates, really good a orrow but if he acts like rest of the convention as flawed as he is in the poles, and in many ways, its less than three points, not bad a guy who is so flawed. Partly because hes a change andidate running in a time of change and partly because hes running against a woman who destroyed her credibility. Charlie joining me now is roger stone. A republican strategist and longtime friend and adviser to trump. Ill pleased to have him to talk about donned trump and to talk roger stone. Welcome. Great to be here. And ie how long have you donald trump known each other 1979. Have known him since i was given this card file of the friends of ronald and nancy reagan in new york and i went card file and half the people in the card file were dead. He rest of them charlie old friends . The rest were agents and producers but there was a card for roy m. Cohen, law. Rney at i contacted cohen and i pitched him on why i thought reagan need win and he said, you donald trump. You need donald and fred trump. Do you know donald trump . I said no, i only know who he is. A meeting. Donald said give me a pitch. Opinion of low jimmy carter. Charlie this was in 1980, 36 ago. S yes, sir. Thats right. 36 years ago, donald trump probably 35, Something Like that, 34. When was the last time you to him . Saturday. Charlie what was the conversation . I had gone to the roll out of trumppence in new york. Flight to ssed my cleveland to go do that and he was on his game. It was the best speech i have long time. Ive in a charlie which one . This is when he talked about, mediaroduced pence to the in new york on a saturday morning. But he gave a shorter version of and then speech first he pivoted to the accomplish it is of mike pence in indiana, and that he liked pence because he was a job creator. Spirits. As in great i mean, i really think hes improved dramatically as a candidate. Ou have to remember hes never done this before. There is a difference between being a media personality and for president te of the United States. Charlie being a media helps . Ality or actor i dont think you could do it if you hadnt been. Charlie thats what ronald did . N yes. His larger than life quality, his status is whats drawing enormous crowd. People want to see donald trump. These other guys rung for respect, with all due they are just conventional politicians. Star has a charisma and a quality that, you know, is larger than all of that. Bigger than ign is the Republican Party. Much bigger. Charlie hes bigger than the Republican Party . Think the perform agenda that he represents is bigger than the Republican Party. State of home florida, 325,000 more people voted for donald trump than mitt romney in the primary four years ago. When you look back and check on are, they are le people who havent voted in recent years or they are new voters who only registered in i think he has an ability to draw people to the party. He also has the reach to what we used the call the reagan democrats, they arent reagan democrats any more because thats too distant but they have profile, moderate losing ho are tired of jobs, tired of community no longer being saved, trade deals. Reagan people you call democrats and many come from the rest . Right. Would you have called them reagan democrats in the day. And i also think, frankly, that trump has a reach to africanamericans, and in the end, to latinos, thats understated. These people polls dont show that . I dont think hes had a chance to make his economic argument yet. Them on to get aspirational ground. Charlie reagan led the conservative movement, which had by bill buckley and other people. Whats the Trump Movement . Its a reform movement. Are tired ofle who doopoly. Arty created by een democrats and republicans together and what have they given us . Endless war. Massive debt and borrowing. Dysfunction. Swindlers s for the on wall street but no jobs for the people who need them and our is expensive. Ineffective and incoherent. Charlie thats Trumps Campaign speech. I learned from it him. Charlie all right. Today, whenk at him did you first know that he wanted to be president . I first urged him to and or president in 1988, we made an exploratory for ray to New Hampshire where he spoke year georges is the bush 41 was the nominee . Right. Ith whom he was never terribly impressed. And a fellow named mike dunbar, Portsmouth City council man started the first known draft trump for president committee. With us. Charlie at your instigation . I suggested the trip up there and i had friends in the states, so yes. And he got as trump would say it was huge. Meaning, Vice President bush had spoken in the months before to the same chamber of commerce. E had the biggest crowd they had ever hard, about 400. Trump had 1,200 people. They had people, you know, outside. Do you attribute it to . Sizzle. The fact that hes a celebrity. Than life. Charlie this was before apprentice, but he was still a national figure. Charlie because he wrote books . And i think people identified with him. If i was successful thats how i would want to listen. Harlie that failed that failed. Charlie did the stream to be president died with it . I think he was just toying with it at the time. Charlie toying . And he enjoys publicity as you may have noticed, in 2000 it serious. More the reform party was entitled to funding, on in federal for their nominee. Donald trump, being a businessman, loved the idea of opm, running for president with other peoples money and ross jesse nd governor ventura, good friend of mine, good friend of donalds, was to run. Im he decided, the obstacles are too great for a third party candidate. Particularly since the president ial commission on debates is not appointed by the president is not a commission definitely not about debates. Charlie this is 1988 . 2000. 2000. E three years ago, he considered very seriously romney. Ging mitt he was briefly ahead of the pack in the polls. Elected not to run. So this has been 28 years in the making, as far as im concerned. Charlie hes been thinking about this for a long time and he seemed to se get serious after 2012. Yes. Harlie really get serious and say, this is doable. And what advice did you give because at the same time, he began toying with the Movement Many people think been involved in that, you led him to it. No that would be inaccurate. No one puts idea or words in Donald Trumps mouth. It just doesnt work that way. Would hope so you would hope he would be listening to you. Hes not a conventional politician. He doesnt mean listen to advice, and he does consult a broad crosssection of the end of the day, to steal a phrase from george w. Bush, there is only trump is not a confection. Programmed ipted or or coached. Thats why hes done so well, authentic. Him as charlie also, because, a lot of people at this convention are saying he needs the party. Its a movement. But he also needs the party. E needs to reach out to the people that you know in the Republican Party, the people manaforte knows and thers, that you guys were together, and now do different things, but that he needs to ryan out and he needs paul and he needs Mitch Mcconnell and republican chair men in states across this United States and he doesnt need to get into with the governor of ohio. Well in all honesty the pledger of ohio signed a to endorse the nominee which he has not honored. See econdarily, charlie, i this election very differently than any past election ive been involved in. Charlie in what way . Think this election is the leadership of the republican and Democratic Party which has given of policy failure versus donald trump and everyone else. Every republican president , eisenhower, nley, nixon, regular remember, has remade the party in his own shall donald trump. We arent going to be the wall of et party anymore, Party Special interests anymore. Were going to go back being the mainstream party. Opposition in this election as far as youre concerned is the establishment in both parties . Yes, this is charlie the republican establishment, mcconnell, and ryan and the rest of them, as establishment of the Democratic Party as well as the establishment of wall street. Think certain sense, i it is an insideroutsider election. Donald trump is the nominee outsider and he the voters chose an outsider because they have no more confidence in the career who, as trump always says, all they do is talk and no action. Charlie does he see it as a movement 1234 i think hes said that several times. Look, im just a messenger as he said saturday in new york. I understand this is a reform bigger than the Republican Party. Bigger than both parties. Voters are fed up. Up. Ive been involved in president ial politics. This will be the ninth campaign ive been involved in starting with richard nixon. Through Ronald Reagan. With senator bob dole, who i commend for being here. Really a patriot and party regular. Here. E the bushes arent thats because the bushes are about themselves. They got very wealthy. Mitt romney is not here either. Those fine. Those people are discredited. They ad their shot and lost. Charlie george bush 43 is discredited by the American People . Because he led us to a war with no purpose. Charlie and 41 is discredited . Very ont think hes popular with the American People. Hes not Ronald Reagan. I would int i guess make is, particularly bush the endorsement,ng his is inconsequential. Will be a few republicans, who wont vote for donald trump but well more than up with them with new voters, millennials and people ho have never been in this process before. Charlie let me talk about donald trump in this election gaining traction. When he talked about immigration, there was also an he had to what people call natives, an appeal to white supremacists, and they responded to that and early articles pointed that out. How much you knew about that, tell me how much you that. Ved of sure. I noticed the phenomenon. But as ronald disavow why did he them . If somebody chooses to support me, that means they are supporting my views. He did say that. That doesnt mean im supporting their views. Charlie a lot of people want denounce david at the time. I think once he figured out him. He was he denounced he did not know . Hes not mail junky like you nd i, charlie, no, i real udont think he knew him, david duke has been a phenomenon . It thent think he heard first time. Charlie are you basically white if racist and supremists and others want to support him thats fine with him saying, s basically youre buying me, im not buying you, but hes therefore way . Oning in some no, hes not responsible for their views. To cant tell people how vote. But you say that as if and the term nationalists as pejorative. People that were early part him traction in this election. Look, i think that were talking about a very small fraction of people. Charlie, if you go to a klam meeting tonight the majority of he people there are government informants funded by the f. B. I. An important or significant part of the Trump Movement. There are always a few cooks out there. Cant tell people how to vote but that again means they are supporting trump, not that trump subscribes to their views. Charlie tell me about his family. Donald trump was a great man, quiet, thrifty and unassuming, very hard working. Charlie his influence on you . Thrift, very definitely. His drive. His sticktoitiveness. A great man. Charlie Donald Trumps side goes to manhattan. Wasbigger oyster, a bigger world. In 1964, a hundred thousand ollars was like a Million Dollars today. I foe his sister Maryanne Trump Barry who is great federal judge. One of the best appointments Ronald Reagan ever made. Charlie children . Renaissance woman. She manages to be a wife, a with the Trump Organization and run that run her own lines of business, shes fit. Dibly physically shes gorgeous, shes always ell dressed, she was on my international bestdressed list this last year which i put out every new years day. Woman. An amazing she manages to balance it all, at the same time, shes normal. Ly approachable. Charlie shes closest to him . I cant say that. That. Ie i think he said they are very private people but all of his children, donny ave one of the best speeches ive seen and ive been in this business 40 years. Run ld like donny to against chelsea for congress out there in westchester. Charlie is that likely to hatch . Could have a ny career if he wanted one and i think chelsea will do that. Do you expectrole to play if trump wins . Im not going to join the government. Unconfirmable by the u. S. Senate. One mans dirty trick is another participation. Politics is not beanbag. 40 years in the rectum of the twoparty system. Politics isnt elegant and it isnt pretty. I worked in the u. S. Senate and house. Every president weve had talks spending being cut. But every dollar in the federal wasteful was put there by someone and they are going to protect i. Anyuse hes not beholden to special interest because he cant be bought or bullied, maybe youll have a president federal ctually cut spending. And then we dont have to talk about cutting Social Security or really to people who need them. So im a keen owner of the system. Its a dirty system. Rigged system, trump is right. Youve to get dirty to play in i . They y by the rules as exist. 40 years. E that for charlie youve had a rocky relationship . We had a brief period of estrange. One . Ie only only one. Only one i theft campaign, i gave my very first surrogate speech for trump, speaking out for him the very next day. We had charlie why did you leave the campaign . A visionnald trump had for his campaign that was different than mine. Charlie how was that . In favor of an entirely communicationsbased strategy. Traditional ore strategy, one that included polling, an it will particulars, mediaened all paid the traditional tools. He was right, i was wrong. Can he be right in a general election . Do you think you cant have paid election general because evidently, hes going out trying to raise a lot of money and people say hes going ned a lot of money in paid media and also get out the vote things that other you cant produce just by rallies. I think the campaign will be dequate in terms of identifying, and turning out their vote s. But, there is a here, where this race has been royal at key points by events that are beyond anybodys control, that are far more important than paid television. Charlie they are . Sanford c. P bernstein, orlando, nice, a las, all these things have tendency to focus the country on he issues, and they have the inadvertent effect of having helped drive Donald Trumps message that we need security. Need to secure our borders that were up against an to acable enemy that wants destroy us. Charlie does he remind you of maniforte has paul aid that nixons speech in 1968, in my miami, is one that they admire, that they have and is in part a guide to what they want to say . Yeah, thats a very moving speech. Its the speech charlie what is it about that speech that they like . I think its probably the close, where he says we can have a job for every american. Rebuild our military strength. We can protect our environment. E can have a new american revolution. Thats what were talking about here. Is the can do candidate. Hes not a pessimist. Deal n optimist and hell with some charlie its also about law and order and silent majority . Yes. Those, i think, help sum up the fact that trump is a ragmatic conservative, who is not politically correct and is prepared to take on the countrys toughest problems. Harlie another relationship, you and paul maniforte. Yes, we met at the 1970 republican state convention. Connecticut is one of the last states in the country that candidates statewide by convention, this is really where maniforte, between that dwrirng republicans got his Convention Management skills, when i ran for young republican chairman in 1977, paul was my campaign manager. We were together in college republicans, young republicans, 1976. Up until that i worked for governor for d reagan, he worked president gerald ford. Afford lost and it became clear that governor reagan would come try again, one of the very first hires was paul manniforte. We worked together in the 1980 campaign, reagan 1984 campaign in 1981. Came partners and ie roger stone manfiforte. 15 minutes one more time. Usaid you recommended to donald trump that you hire paul . I was one of those who recommended him. Paul and donald had a relationship. Met during the 15 minutes one more time that lack, manniforte and stone represented Trump Organization. I represented him on a bunch of building heights, f. A. A. , and so on, but they knew other casually but they also had mutual friends beyond me, so i was among those. Charlie what has he brought to the campaign . Hes an adult. At he other casually but has de all phases. Charlie cory was not an adult . Man. No he was an advance Bob Halderman without the charge. Charm . E bob had thats the point. Charlie i know. Apples talking about and oranges. Paul manniforte. Are of you be you guys the establishment . Not me. Charlie well i supported mitt romney against three years ago. Charlie how well do you think hell do at this time . Interesting. Charlie libertarian candidate along with bill. Who are friends of mine and for whom i have high record. Four years ago they could get no swhoefr. Verage no one was interested. Charlie yeah. The majority of voters but they had a ticket and they had an esteemed former judge from judge gray. Charlie now they are getting attention because because the media perceives them drawing votes from donald trump. Charlie will they . In the end i think what they draw ind is that they equally from both trump and clinton because the libertarian both a left and a right wing. Libertarians and left libertarians. So, thoses voters who favor the legalization of drugs, for will come from the left. Maniforte o when paul says to trump, as he does, you president ial, do you agree with him . Or do you more or less let trump be trump less than paul . There is only one trump. And trump will make those decisions. Think that he listens to a broad crosssection. Charlie he does listen . Take away the spontaneity and the authenticity be another ll just boring political figure. Maybe there is a better way to things that hes already saying. Its a learning process for him. Lashing so all of that republicans and ubs and knick nightime was beneficial . Bush was ed and jed not fit to be president. Charlie that was not his argument. His argument was about energy. Had no energy. But trump has an innate ability to figure out what your weakness is. Charlie guess what . Lying ted cruz is on the podium this evening. Have let him on the podium if it were me. Charlie you were opposed . Personally. Everything you recommend . Thats for dorn sure. Charlie what about mike pence . First of all in selecting a Vice President , you want not going to s upstage you, you dont want someone who will contradict you cabot lodge contradicted nixon. A week after he was selected in in for Vice President , chicago, on the very day that nixon is campaigning in atlanta, cabot lodge says the nixon will have a negro it in. Which is which was the vernacular. Said, no cabinet member will be selected based on the color of their skin. Why you example of dont want a running mate who you dont want who makes it up along. Go charlie he wont embarrass donald trump . Wont embarrass him. But they dont have the same views on trade . The Vice President ial andidates job is to support the views of the president ial candidate. George bush was proabortion him. Ronald reagan selected george bush was against tax cuts when Ronald Reagan selected him. Eight years he was a loyal Vice President. Charlie so there you go with the president you most acmire his choice of a future president , you admire a lot less . Means ronald e it reagan was a pragmatist. Donald trump a pragmatist . That e its been argued, he operates more by instinct and intuition than listening to what people have told him and advised him. He operates more on instinct focusd of being guided by groups and polls that tell him what to say in order to be popular. I would argue this is one of clintons greatest problems. Everyone she says has been focus group, poll, roundtable, put what you getes and out is mush. It sounds stale and phony because it is. Charlie what role will you be playing in the campaign . Fot. Friend of trump. Of line charlie in other words, youll do whatever he asks . I would do anything he asks blooming ke sydney that you wi thaul. A. C. People. To all the right i have enormous affection and respect for donald trump. Weve been friends for 40 years. Charlie what do you talk about mostly . Politics. Charlie campaign . Say whate call you and do you think i should . Every once in a while. Sometimes i call him with an idea. Im a prolific writer of memos and ive been writing memos for and i trump for 40 years know his style. Together a w to put brief piece of paper that will inform him without being overpowering. Pass him a 40page white paper on the economy. Heres what you said. I think the Trump Campaign is shortsighted in not encouraging to give to reputable super pacs. Yes, i do. Think donalds aversion to super pacs has been the fact that they are often funded by ancial interests within with agenda. Charlie that and he has ais istory in this campaign of criticizing them saying, you know, almost that they are evil, and this they have bought iticians for that reason. But you cant go into an clinton with hillary who is 45 or 50 million in tied pacs with one arm behind your pack. Charlie and you cant sell fund to a president ial campaign donaldyoure richer than trump . Right so i think they are necessary easterly. Here is ou have to do say, that your super pac will not take money from lobbyists, but from individuals. But i think its if its an evil. Its a necessary there are reputable super pacs out there and frankly i think ultimately will node their help or they will just get outcommunicated o. Its traditional donors are avoiding donned trump . Yes significant significantly to super pacs. But at the same time there re new doesnters who have nev who have never given before who are. Some well run, who actually know what they are doing, will raise some money. Charlie what kind of bump do you think will come out of thise election . Significant. Assume hes three to four points behind now. Hell be even or three or ahead. Ints charlie is that what youre assuming, three . Im not sure. I think he could be in a dead heat. I think hes in the margin of error right now, but ohio in florida florida ive seen research hat has him a couple of points ahead. But just picking up some additional republicans, will put in this race, by the way, Hillary Clinton has the mirror image problem. May be onboard but that doesnt mean all of his supporters are and she has to ncrease her percentage of the vote among democrats in order to be competitive. Harlie the argument goes that he really does have to, as second ush did, in the campaign in 2004, turn out white americans. Yes. Charlie all right so let me turn around this. Youre being as candid as you can. What do you worry about with respect to to donald trump in this campaign . Think great risk is . One risk i worry about is the fact that hes taking his life every time he goes out and campaigns o. Uworry about assassination . I myself, just as a proponent, get 10 to 13 Death Threats week and im not even an official member of his campaign. Expressed . W are they usually anonymous phone calls with no caller i. D. Male voice, just the standard stuff ive reported this to the authorities. There is not much you can do about it. Charlie is donald trump getting i have to assume if im handful hes getting hundreds. This is a polarizing candidacy. Polarizing its a candidacy . Im sure Hillary Clinton is getting them as well. Charlie so you worry about assassination . Because i have great affection for him and his family. I have to. What else . I think clines will always be etter funded than the Trump Campaign. And that trump charlie so you worry about money . The well ever have oiled political machine that the clintons have built. N the other hand, i kind of liken this to the American British army. The insurgency . E an yes. They can hit harder and make decisions on a snap basis where her campaign is bound. Cant do that yet, we havent polled it. We havent focused group it. Out for a set it round of meetings. Stale and old thinking. Charlie are you the architect this idea of a paco attacking bill clintons infidelities . Wrong withve nothing his infidelity. I believe his assaults of women, is an ent with us sex issue and therefore, as Hillary Clinton said, these Women Deserve to be believed. Yes. Juanita broaddrick, kathleen willie, paula jones, christie, lean wellstone, liz charlie you seem to know them well . Book about it, a read my book, clintons war on women o. Uexpect doomed trump to in the s a big Issue Campaign . Its not just bills assault of women. Its hillarys role in bullying, in intimidating, and threatening these women. Read what the women have written themselves. I believe the women. Charlie and its a Campaign Issue that donald trump will make . It is not about marital infidelity. Its not about adultery or themselves. I believe the or girlfriends president its about something far darker, Sexual Assault and coverup. Charlie why has it never been proven in court . Actually he paid paula jones and another 875,000 to settle did nbc sit on the Juanita Broaddrick interview for onths and more before they finally aired it and only then after the impeachment vote. Day when we only had three Television Networks suppressing news was pretty easy. Today, no news can be suppressed, so these women will have an opportunity. Case, its the court of Public Opinion that is important. I have no doubt the clintons deny it but let these ladies speak, then the American Voters can decide who is telling the truth. This. Ie there is also a brexit vote. Yes. Revolt that was about a in terms of people who felt there was too much immigration, who felt like there that they were not as their parents had done. That their income was being reduced, rather than enhanced, ho felt like their lives were controlled outside of their own sovereign and from brussels. Donald trump looked at that and seemed to identify with it and to hear the began idea of movement. Movement. Is a yeah. Donald trump is a nationalist. Thats a globalist charlie hes a populace a rejection of globallism. Charlie when you look at him, it is, i just re want one more time, you know, dea is, that you think that he ought to continue doing what hes doing because it was a winning formula, and that becoming more mainstream other than raising to y, might be detrimental him. I think this is a movement, i the some are misreading mood of the voters. Are there times when he could ut things slightly differently than he puts them, yes, but charlie whats the best example of that . Example, we wept he criticized the judge in the Trump University case. Now, if he said charlie why did it take him so long . Everybody instinctively knew that was wrong. Because hes not politically correct. Uknew that was wrong. Hold on. What he should have said is, the recused because shes a clinton contributor. E should be recused because hes a democrat. The judge should be recused ecause he belongs to a radical hispanic group. The judge should be recused because he has a personal relationship with the plaintiffs lawyer. What he thats not said. But instead he said he was a mess can. I wouldnt have said it that way. Say that it way . I think he would probably admit that himself at this point. A while but it took him to do it. Underlying point. Instinct . Where was his the underlying point is still the same. The judge added bias. Ts wasnt a bias he was speaking to. If were going to talk about University Scandals where is the of the clintons scam that they are running at laureate education. If were goinge, to talk about Trump University lets talk about clinton university. Think media is terribly biased in 235i6r of clinton . Obviously not monolithally but overwhelmingly, yes. Set to weekend, asian markets look like staffing, putting of mixed earnings and dampening stimulus hopes. 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