Transcripts For CNBC Squawk On The Street 20121228

Good friday morning. Welcome to squawk on the street on this final friday trading session of the year. Im Carl Quintanilla at the new york stock exchange, along with melissa lee. Thats a good song. I actually requested that a few moments ago. Cramer and faber had the day off. The market has a few jitters as we enter what is going to be an interesting day. Of course, the meeting at the white house, 3 00 between the president and some congressional leaders. As for europe, getting some data out of japan overnight and some data out of europe. Currently red arrows across the board, in london, paris, and frankfort. Our road map begins at the white house. Congressional leaders set to meet with the president , 3 00 p. M. This afternoon. Senator reid has already said hopes of a deal are fading quickly. Just two trading days left until the cliff. And its not just the fiscal cliff. Wind farms and dairy are set to get hit. The ports of the east coast and gulf coast are bracing for a potential strike. The potential for this, midnight sunday with a shutdown threatening to threaten 20 of the cargo traffic. And instagram feeling the sting of the flap around privacy with users, fleeing the site. How will this impact facebook . As we mentioned, dennis berman, wall street journal market place editor is joining us here on set once again for the next hour. Good to have you back, dennis. Lots to talk about between the cliff and other news. Three days before the u. S. Goes over the fiscal cliff, congressional leaders will meet with the president this afternoon. I remember standing on the white house north lawn last month, after leaders met with the president back then. Things looked pretty promising. Heres what they said after that meeting. I believe that the framework that ive outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president s call for a fair and balanced approach. I feel confident that a solution may be in sight. It was a constructive meeting. We all understand where we are. We feel very comfortable with each other and this isnt something were going to wait until the last day of december to get it done. Isnt that special . Now were in the last days of december. And with just three days to go, the rhetoric has changed in the beltway. These are the latest comments. Republicans arent about to write a blank check for anything Senate Democrats put forward, just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. That wouldnt be fair to the american people. The president s presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. It was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but again, i guess with the dysfunctional Republican Caucus in the house, even the speaker cant tell what theyre going to do. I dont want taxes to go up. Republicans dont want taxes to go up. But we only run the house. Democrats continue to run washington. Call me a hopeless optimist, but i actually still think we can get it done. Eamon javers live in washington. Eamon, fascinating to look at that tape in retrospect. I think a lot of people in washington think the makeorbreak deal making sessions have already happened here. And one republican senator i talked to this morning said there are very low expectations now for this meeting at the white house today. And boy, how times have changed, carl. Just watching that tape that you just ran. One of the things that ill be watching for when im standing on the white house north lawn this afternoon is whether or not these four congressional leaders come out as they did back in november and talk to the press after the meeting. Weve had a lot of meetings at the white house where people have left very quickly, gotten into a suv and driven off the complex without talking to reporters. If they come out to those microphones after this meeting and come out together, i think that will be a hopeful sign that people will be looking for. But like i said, very low expectations here. The house will be in on sunday, in case theres anything to vote on by 6 30 p. M. , when they come back into session. But meanwhile, the deal making and the talking continues. Its just not clear that they can get there until after weve gone after the cliff. Eamon, as an average american sitting here on set, i wonder about the meeting at 3 00. Wli why not earlier . The clock is ticking, why dont these guys get together sooner, so if theres something to talk about, they can hammer it out before the house reconvenes on sunday . Its a good yes. You would think that none of these people have anything on their schedule more important than this meeting. So why are they waiting in l the end of the day to do it . Thats an open question. We know the Vice President will be there, all four congressional leaders will be there, but presumably, their schedules are pretty much centered around this fiscal cliff thing at this point, and theyre all in town, as we know. Eamon, whats the mood there in washington . Theres so much talk, so much anger from the rest of the country directed another washington. Is it seeping through the iron wall thats around the beltway or is it it is. It is. You know, look, they definitely feel it. And they feel the countrys frustration. I talked to, again, this one republican senator this morning who said they were getting realtime updates yesterday as the stock market was swinging wildly in response to what was going on in washington on the fiscal cliff. So they know this is angering people and they know this is affecting peoples fortunes and livelihoods. But what they dont want to do is give up on deeply held principles. And a lot of these house members got elected in districts that dont look anything like the rest of america. Theyre very extreme, gerrymandered districts in many case s with ca ca ca cases, and their own personal careers depend much more on how theyre perceived back at home. So they dont necessarily care that this is one of the most unpopular congresses in recent history and one of the most unproductive congresses in recent history. They want to stick by their principles. Its true. And a lot of them say, eamon, ive been elected to be a check on the president and thats what a lot of this is about. Right. This is deeply held, fundamental belief on both sides and theres a huge chasm between the two sides on these issues. And somebodys going to be a loser here if theres a deal. Somebodys going to be perceived as having gotten rolled and neither side wants to be the party who got rolled here. I think both sides are looking at if fiscal cliff right now and saying, well, we could go over this thing. It wouldnt be the end of the world and thats a very different view in washington than it is on wall street. I can tell you that. Eamon, thanks. I know youve got a long day ahead, a long afternoon as well. Eamon javers in washington. Isnt it unbelievable. You have this huge, looming problem, ill wait until later this afternoon to deal with it. And the whole sequester was a way to deal with this later. And corker, i think, on some of the morning shows this morning, senator corker said the worst case today would be to set up another later deadline that would keep the hard questions and i think a lot of this is so abstract, but if those milk prices go up for people around this country, thats going to be the thing that gets people really animated. That and payroll taxes, if they go up, that will hit a lot of americans across the board. Interesting to see a lot of the stocks today that have exposure to dairy futures, whether its an hsy, who knows . I havent even gone through the whole list, but a lot of them are going to be seeing some action today. And it was crazy yesterday, watching that market. It was a little bit after we left the set yesterday morning, but watching it in the afternoon, there was information about scott brown, and oh, there is going to be a call to Bring Congress back in. It was amazing to see the market on that scott brown bottom, as a lot of people were calling it. You were down more than 51. And it is amazing to see how our fortunes are being tied the at this point to what is going on in d. C. And every minor tweet or post or headline or what not, at the end of the day, it was four straight losing sessions for the dow, nasdaq, as well as the s p 500. Certainly something we have to watch. In the meantime, the clock is not only ticking for the fiscal cliff, but time is running out to avoid a strike at ports in massachusetts and texas, that could affect containers to and from the u. S. From reaching their destination. Talks are taking place in secrecy between the International Long shoresman association and the u. S. Maritime alliance in an effort to keep 14,000 longshoreman from walking off the job. The National Association of manufacturers puts the cost of a potential strike at 1 billion a day. And this is not just finished goods, obviously, but also Raw Materials and parts come through these ports. So it could really stymie factories in terms of production of goods here in the United States as well. There have been some estimates about how this strike could affect overall gdp, moving a few tenths of a percentage point, which is a huge, huge number. And at the end, you have to think that this in situation, with money at stake, and not principle, perhaps the two sides are a little more amen table to deal than our congress. Saw a quote from the rmfs supply chain policy guide. At this point, we do not expect a statement. A lot of inventory for gardening season is coming in about now. Thats where they make the lions share of their money. Not like a typical christmastime retailer. Spring is christmas for home depot and lowes, and about 28 of home depots annual revenue comes for the quarter that ends in july, about the same for lowes as well. Those are two stocks to watch in todays decision. But the nrf guy also made a point of saying that containers are coming in, and there could be a backup that needs to be resolved. Even if the situation is resolved in a matter of days, there are still going to be containers that are stacked and theyve got to work through that backlog before they can take in new containers. So there will be a ripple effect. Lets bring in peter anderson, senior Portfolio Manager with congress manage asset. Good to see you. Thank you. At this point, what is the risk to the markets . Risk to the upside or the downside if a deal is reached . Well, i first have to tell you that strategically, im not really factoring that the whole fiscal cliff picture into a longer term portfolio strategy. I think its very, very difficult to do that however, like everybody else, we are glued to the headlines to see how this thing is going to play out. Butting that being said, i think the main important reason is the continued volatility and also the correlations. You know, i get very concerned about such high correlations. The journal this morning talked about, and whatever the resolution will be, and i think thereby a resolution, perhaps not by the end of this year, but certainly within the next month or so, whatever that resolution will be, the longer term prospects for the market are what bother me. And that has to do with what we call these high correlations. Lets say we are living in a high correlated world. We had lived in that sort of world during the european crisis, when we saw so many of the Asset Classes as well as sectors is move in tandem. How do you protect yourself against that longer term . Well, its tough. I manage a long short strategy. And when you have a long short strategy, of course, what it depends on are correlations, and you love low correlations. The way to look at it now is to look for what i call event risk. I think next year is going to be, if you want to make the market work for you, and you are in a long short strategy, for instance, the shorts have to be uncorrelated. And the way you have to do that now, i think, is to look at event risk. High event risk situations. That factors into also a scenario of what i would call a sideways market. So im thinking on topline revenues, theyre going to be pretty flat for the year coming, but you will still be able to find spinoffs, companies that might still pay special dividends and still announce buybacks. You have to find the activist Investor Movement as one that will try to find the stocks that are uncorrelated to just the general Market Movement. Peter, can you give us a few examples that youve been thinking about for 2013 . Well, news corp. , for instance. I mean, that has two of the three issues ive mentioned. It has announced an additional stock buyback. And as we know, it is in the throes of spinning off its newsprint division. Now, thats rather difficult to analyze, but i can pretty much assure you that that correlation with the general Market Movement is not going to be as high as it would if you were in just a standard, what i would call, almost an indextype stock that would move along in lockstep, for instance, the headlines of today. Another stock that might, you might look at because it might have high dividendpaying potential and continue to raise its dividend, in spite of the fact that youve got higher tax scenarios out there would be Phillip Morris international. Has a great history of raising dividends, and even in a higher tax environment. For instance, i dont think an investor would say, im going to shun higher dividend stocks, because now my tax rate is up. Unfortunately, it will be higher, but you still will pursue dividend stocks. Got it. Peter. Thank you. Happy new year to you. Peter anderson of asset management. Still ahead, the head of the campaign to fix the debt joins us live. What needs to happen so we can get a deal done and can it done at this meeting the today . Also ahead, were live from the port area of bay young, new jersey, with an update on a possible strike that could affect businesses from texas to massachusetts. Also got the houston mayor to tell us how her city is preparing for a strike. Futures still a little jittery here this morning. Dow down 86. Squawk on the street back in a minute. At a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. What . Customers didnt like it. So why do banks do it . Hello . Hello . if your bank doesnt let you talk to a real person 24 7, you need an ally. Hello . Ally bank. Your money needs an ally. Mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. Over the South Pacific in 1943. I got mine in iraq, 2003. Usaa Auto Insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. Because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaas commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. Begin your legacy, get an Auto Insurance quote. Usaa. We know what it means to serve. Instagram users may have made good on their threat to dump the photo sharing app after the controversy over new privacy rules, according to app data in the new york post. App data says that instagram may have shed almost 25 of its daily active users as a result of the debacle. Facebook bought instagram for 1 billion earlier this year. Dont know if thats going to pay off at all. Ive had some discussions about this morning, dennis, i have a hard time believing they would lose that much me too. Why . In the end, facebook and instagr instagram, they were treated on their new rules. So i think 25 for a huge install base just seems a bit youre talking going from 16. 4 million, i think to 12 million, basically. Whats interesting about whats going on in the tech space, an app like snap chat, which are these disposable videos which are great for teens who want to relate to each other via video. Said the new father. Its really just become quite a phenomenon. And it does seem possible that you can have the next generation of apps that does eat away at the established leaders, of which instagram is current one. Theres been chatter that flickr has got a second win because of that. But longterm, you have to think that more people will be sharing more pictures over social networks than they are today. We have become a sharing society and instagram will probably benefit. And well bring people like melissa kicking and screaming. I dont trust the privacy settings. The video disappears. Everything lives forever in technology. It does. It doesnt. It will be interesting to see on the next reading on users if users come back, because instagram denounced what theyre going to do with the photos. Its amazing how one lawyer, one draft had such a big affect. Exactly. Markets are set to decline sharply at the open. How do you prepare for todays session . 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We make deals now. Thats what brokers do. So if republicans are at million and the democrats are 250, okay, lets go to 900, lets make a market and get the trade on the table. Its not that hard. And yet they go back, and the first thing they do is start blaming each other. And the second whammy of the treasury debt ceiling. The question is not whether theyll get a deal done, but will it be a good deal . Something thats going to help this economy . Weve got some nice tail winds going into the first and Second Quarter. And if we could get some resolution, the corporations will know what to do with their cash and this thing will start to pick up speed. Fed policy is good. Weve got a bump from sandy. So if we could just fix that up, i think well be okay. What do you think is the Market Reaction if we come, you know, in on monday, and theres some sort of a mini deal . What does that do to us . Listen, i think well be okay here. The first and Second Quarter of next year are going to be okay, cliff or not. Theyre going to get something together. It may be sort of a sloppy deal, just, you know, a small deal, that lead us into more negotiations but is the event a mini deal or is the mini deal a grand bargain . Theyll come up with a mini deal. Its taken them this long to get here. How can we anticipate theyll get significant done. Theyll get some sort of stopgap measure done and well see a little bit of stability. Stop seeing all the negativity thats surrounding us. Were dead red here. Gordon, if you recall that 2008 period, the market was going 400, 500, 600, a 60point drop in the heat of the crisis. Why is the equity market being relatively stable to that comparison . It seems that stakes here are pretty big, but the equity market is relatively keeping its head. Because its all under the backdrop of an economy that seems to be in pretty good shape, all right . Its sort of a manufacturing issue. So that way, its not like 2008. 2008 we had some real systemic issues. This we can fix and you can kind of get back on solid footing. But the fact of the matter remains, at this point, investors seem to be just sort of sitting on the sidelines. Were still not seeing the spikes in volume here. And its interesting, the vix has gone up, to is volatility traders seem to be more concerned about the cliff than the equity guys. And somebody argued that theres asymmetric risk. Is that true . But the percentages of them getting a deal done are higher than them not getting a deal done. I think it really sort of balances out. And the backdrop still is for a positive quarter one, positive Second Quarter as well too. So cliff or no, i dont think the market is going to careen it out of control at all like 08. All right, gordon. Thanks. Talk to you a little bit later on. Our opening bell a few minutes away. A lot more squawk on the street still ahead. 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We will see what happens a little bit later on. Last time the markets were down each day in a week was net. Theres the opening bell. A look at the s p at the top of your screen. Startup weekend leadership team, with the creation of 100,000 entrepreneurs, and over at the nasdaq, the hope for the warriors organization. So well kick off with a couple of names here. High pressure, department of justice, confirming they are looking into allegations of accounting fraud by autonomy management, something that Accounting Firm denies. Not a huge allegation at this point, considering the ferocity that hp made those allegations. Closing the year with one more indignity. And not only are they being questioned in terms of the deal that they made, even though it was not under meg whitman, but there are some questions about that pc upgrade cycle and the impact or the nonimpact of windows 8. Theres an interesting quote of fujitsus president. They said that they will miss their annual shipment target because of slow demand in 2008. The president actually calling the demand weak. Thats his word. Its interesting how this story goes on and on and on in terms of microsoft and how it hasnt lived up. Looking ahead to 2013, melissa. It seems like somethings got to happen to either High Pressure or dell. The market caps are low enough. It would be fascinating the if an asian manufacturer came in and made a purchase for one of those or if there was a split on hp, between the services that have been scrapped. Speaking of technology, take a look at shares of barnes noble. Pearson is paying 89. 5 million for a 5 stake in the nook division. This is interesting in terms of valuation of the nook. Because now we can actually have a benchmark for valuation. Because theyre putting that into the joint venture. Yeah. So this is interesting. Were seeing barnes noble up sharply. The first gut reaction would be, theyre a little late on this investment. Probably should have been there two years ago. We should point out, dow maybe down 75, but breadth is alarmingly weak. The s p 500, i think seven stocks are in the green, just barely. So well keep an eye on the major averages, but breadth could turn out to be a story today if its this week all day long. And were probably just waiting until 3 00 or shortly after 3 00. Will those congressional leaders, as eamon javers said, will they come out of the meeting and go to the white house lawn and make a statement. Thats going to be key here. It wouldnt be surprising to see a skatealong through the session. You mentioned defense stocks. The sequester sectors have been doing quite well. Financials, obviously. Housing stocks on a tear this year. But take a look also at the defense index. The philadelphia defense index, we are very close to alltime highs on this defense index. There are a couple of names to watch within this index. General dynamics, which has had a nice run since about the midnovember time frame or so, announcing today that along with huntingtonengles, it has won a Navy Submarine contract. And those are secure even if the Defense Department undergoes sequestration. Interesting deal being made there. Taking a look at some of the biggest names that are among the biggest losers. Traders have told us, if youre in the money on a lot of these names, why not take some money off gap for instance, masco. Names like that are related to housing and retail. And speaking of retail, coors, Third Straight day of losses for shares of coors. A big winner so far this year. Yesterday, citigroup had cautious comments from itses, saying in some cases, there are massive discounts on kors handbags. So questions on the pricing in the margins on kors. But this thing went public on the new york stock exchange, and it has had a monster run. 78 over the past year. And for a lot of these big gainers, there could be some tax gain selling also. Sell it, reestablish your cost basis, go back and buy it. And of course, melissa, those retail Sales Numbers, weve got some preliminary once after the day after christmas. As those roll in over the next few weeks, luxury versus mass retailers. Luxury has been holding up okay. Kors even works its way into the quiz on the market place section of the journal today. Thats a darn good quiz. I encourage people to go online and check it out. 25 questions. I bet you that most people cant get more than 15. Theres some hard ones in there. Ill have to check it out. Mary thompsons here on the floor with more on what is moving this morning. Good morning, mary. Good morning, melissa. Second to last day of trading in 2012. Were expecting a light volume day. And of course the folk will be on washington, d. C. Once again, here on wall street. The concerns about us going over the fiscal cliff, impacting the european markets as well. Concern that if we go over, well see higher taxes and automatic spending cuts, something that is expected to impact the u. S. Economy. Thats bleeding over into the european markets this morning. The s p 500, which along with the dow and the nasdaq are weaker this morning, down for the fifth straight session. Of course, yesterday was really a whipsaw session with the markets reacting tny kind of headlines across about any progress or lack thereof on the fiscal cliff talks. So were keeping watch on that. Nevertheless, while weve seen weakness later, the consensus among traders that i speak to and whose notes i read, et cetera, they say they are expecting some kind of maybe bandaid deal that will limit the effects, if, indeed, we go over or a bandaid deal, not a grand bargain on lawmakers, to avoid the fiscal cliff, before that january 1st deadline. These are some of the sectors that were keeping watch on. Financials were among the worst performing sectors yesterday. As we look at them, they are extending those losses today. Theyve been a very strong performer in 2012, but concerns about the cliff are having a big impact on this group. Taking a look at the commodity stocks, Dollar Strength putting pressure on this group as well. The dollar is one of the areas where youre seeing some green in todays session. Commodities weaker across the board. We are seeing strength in crude oil, though. It is up slightly in todays trade. Were also, of course, watching the vix. Yesterday it spiked above that 20 mark and that was something that hadnt happened in about five months. This, of course, is an index of fear among investors. You can see it spiking a little bit higher. Well see where it moves at 3 00, and after that, of course, if we get any news about the talks that are taking place this afternoon at the white house. Guys, back to you. Thank you, Mary Thompson. Lets get to the bonds and the dollar. Rick santelli in chicago. Good morning, rick. Good morning, melissa lee. Well, if you look a twoday chart, you pretty much see everything there is to tree. Many traders down here really thought the selling peaked a couple of weeks ago, not that many days after the fed statement and meeting. And they were right. Now 170 seems to be the yield. Thats the bottom of the range, and the markets are pretty thin. Any violation there of significance may be something to Pay Attention to. If you open the chart up to five months, no matter how you slice it, were in a range. But contrast that same fivemonth chart to the boon, theyre not in a range. As a matter of fact, thaur within a basis point of testing the lowest yield prices within about five months. Were roughly, lets put it this way, in a tenyear, we havent closed under 170 in about 2 1 2 weeks. Lets go to the stellar performer in the fx market, or the stellar nonperformer, thats the yen. The dollar looks great on this index chart. This is going bab 30 mebs. Were at a 29month high. But it isnt necessarily the dollar. Because pretty much the yen is having a real nasty last six months against all the currencies. But nastys a relative term. I dont think nastys a word that the ministry of finance in japan would use. I think they would use welcome. Back to you. Rick santelli in chicago, see you in a little bit. Lets hop over to times square, where the party will get started from a few days from now. Seema mody is over there. Fifth consecutive days of losses at the nasdaq. Were clearly seeing money flow out of tech, into some of those more defensive plays, as wall street continues to watch the discussion out of washington. Apple shares staging a lateday comeback in yesterdays trade, but news today that apple has been fined 1 million yuan or roughly 160,000 by a Chinese Court for hosting Third Party Apps in its app store that are selling pirated electronic books. Not a large fine, but still something were watching. Speaking of apple, it seems like some of its piers in the tech space may be working on a smart tv, digi time, a citing source, reports that intel is working with hp and others on a smart tv that would be more than combining pc function with tv, facial recognition was mentioned. So clearly the tv wars will be in high focus in 2013. Lastly, a quick check on social media. Facebook shares, as you guys are mentioning, lower after reporting from app data that inexti instagram active users has fell since december 17th. Back to you, carl. Seema, thanks so much. Check out some energy in metals this morning. Lets go to our favorite birthday girl of the day. Bertha coombs. Thank you very much, for the birthday wishes. You know, its National Chocolate day. What else would be better on your birthday . Except for a lot of inventory numbers today, delayed because of the christmas holiday. We have energy at the moment fractionally higher across the board. The dollar index weakening just a hair at the moment. Despite the fact that we had industry numbers that were a bit bearish. The api putting out numbers of crude stocks. When you look out at the estimates for the eia, were expecting to see a drawdown of crude of 2 Million Barrels. Crude, the third weekly gain. One of the biggest gains weve seen in a long time, nearly 3 this week. Its looking fairly technically strong. Gasoline will be the one that people will watch. Eia estimates are for a build there of 250,000 barrels. Its closer to that than what we saw from the api at 2. 5 Million Barrels. Thats certainly going to be more bullish for gasoline. First numbers out at 2 30 will be for gnat gas. Latest on the lateooming po strike. And defense could be one of the most impacted industry if we go over the cliff in three days. So what does 2013 hold for the industry . Were making some predictions. Before we head to break, look at some of this mornings early movers on wall street. Actually, these gainers and movers. Take a look at them. More squawk on the street straight ahead. To the best vacation spot on earth. all the gulf it doesnt matter which of our great states folks visit. Mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, theyre gonna love it. Shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. Thanks, karen. Love your mississippi outdoors. I vote for your florida beaches, dawn. Bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. Were having such a great year on the gulf, weve decided to put aside our rivalry. Now is the perfect time to visit anyone of our states. The beaches and waters couldnt be more beautiful. Take a boat ride, go fishing or just lay in the sun. Weve got coastline to explore and wildlife to photograph. And theres world class dining with our world famous seafood. So for a great vacation this year, come to the gulf. Its all fabulous but i give florida the edge. Right after mississippi. You mean alabama. Say louisiana or theres no dessert. This invitation is brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home. Even with all the fiscal cliff worries and headlines, there has been a lot of data this week. We got new home sales yesterday, 2 1 2 year high. Of course, claims, well get chicago pmi in a few seconds here. And later on this morning, pending homes. For the pmi, lets get to chicago and Rick Santelli with that data. Indeed, one of the last significant data points of the year, well get the last one coming up. 51. 6, december read, 51. 6. Why do i sound so excited . Because there were a lot of odds on this number that it would slip back below 50. 51. 6, the best number since august, and that was at 53. And subsequently we had 47. 9, 7 47. 9, and 51 at last month. That stands unrevised. Ill look at some of the granular components when i come back with pending home sales in about 14 minutes. The response in the marketplace, i wish i could tell you it was large, but it is not as we still hover down 70 in the dow and are flirting with the twoday support level of a 170 yield and a tenyear note yield that happens to be 17 basis points lower than we were at the end of last year. Carl, its all yours. Thanks so much. The potential port strike that could cost the economy billions now hinges on socalled container royalties that shipping companies and terminal owners share with union members. Jackie deangelis is live from the port area in new jersey with more on this story. Jackie . First came the fiscal cliff, now theyre calling this the container cliff. Its a potential strike that could shut down more than a dozen ports, all the way from maine down to texas, including the port of new york in new jersey, which you can see a piece of which behind me. And negotiations broke down earlier this week and theres been no progress made in talks since then. But i want to talk about whats at stake, if the 14,000 longshoreman do walk out tomorrow night. It could have a devastating impact on the retail sector. Now, the new york and new jersey port is just one port that could be impacted by this. Its the second largest port to handle manufactured goods from china. Its also the largest port on the east coast. Now, last year this port handled 208 billion in cargo. Were talking about products like furniture and also apparel. In 2002, we saw a west coast port lockout. Estimates suggest that that cost the economy 1 billion a day. And as with the fiscal cliff, theres a political angle with the container cliff as well. Business groups are asking president obama to use his Emergency Powers under taft hartley to prevent a strike. President bush did that back about ten years ago. While a strike will cause major disruptions, there are alternatives for transporting goods, rail and also air are options, but of course those options are not cheap. Back in november, our members started putting contingency plans into place. The options were either divert containers to west coast ports, bring merchandise in earlier, use canada or mexico, or use air freight. But all of those come at a significant cost as well. Now, the deadline is 12 01 tomorrow night. And i think its safe to say that retailers are hoping we come to a resolution quite soon. Jackie, in terms of the cost that will need to be bore, if there is a strike, who actually eats up those costs . Is it the retailers, or should consumers expect any kind of pricing changes for the goods that they purchase . Reporter well, its a combination. Of course, the retailers are going to absorb most of the costs. It really depends how long the strike lasts before you see those costs being passed on to consumers. Of course, the longer it goes, the more chance of that there is. The retailers have put some plans into place, theyve been anticipating this, so it will be interesting to see how they handle it and how much they take in themselves. And is there any sense as to whether or not theyve taken up extra inventory in advance of this looming deadline, thinking that perhaps there will be a strike . Reporter absolutely. They have taken up extra inventory. They were looking at a situation similar this before christmas, but they were able to negotiate their way through it. But now it looks like the situation is coming to a head. Jackie deangelis, thank you so much. Coming up in the next hour, well be speaking with the houston mayor about the impact of the port strike on her city. All right, meantime, the Holiday Shopping may be over, but now retailers are bracing for an influx of customers looking to return that ugly sweater or other unwanted christmas gifts. Jane wells is in los angeles with the cost to retailers. Good morning, jane. Reporter hey, carl. Im at the northridge fashion center. You know, its usually that returns would go up this time of year, but the big change, the big component is the growth in online shopping. Because if you get something online, theres a greater likelihood that it wont fit right or you wont like it. So thats a big reason. And retailers really want to maintain their relationship with you and returning could not be any easier now. Liquidity services, which handles return inventory for retailers like walmart says overall returns, this is pure returns, not exchanges, in 2012 are up 21 to 263 billion, but for the holidays, they will jump a record 37 to 63 billion, which would be about 10 to 11 of all purchases if the projections bear out for total shopping. The retailers want to see an exchange, but more and more, consumers are demanding returns and not just exchanges. So once again, i think its a fine line that the retailer is trying to walk. But ultimately, in the end, you know, the consumer has the power and thats who theyre trying to attract. Now, he says this is the time of year his business really gears up. They triple their capacity. They will be busy managing inventory for big retailers through march and reselling it through other channels. Find out, carl, later, what they do with all this extra stuff, and we will have some hilarious tweets from retail workers this week, one saying, christmas is over, people are mean again. Back to you. Jane, you just tweeted that that outfit looks like it has shoulder holsters. Other people think im wearing a knapsack. I thought i looked very stylish. I like it, jane. Maybe i should return this dress. Jon, thanks. Jane wells joining us from los angeles. 2012 has been pretty kind to financial stocks, but should fiscal stocks derail those gains. Well tell you how to play the banks when squawk on the street comes right back. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, you wont just find us online, youll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. So when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. Because personal Service Starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. Our support teams are nearby, ready to help. Its no wonder so many investors are saying. [ all ] im with scottrade. Its no wonder so many investors are saying. Sfx sounds of african drum and flute look whos back. Again . Its embarrassing its embarrassing we can see you carl. We can totally see you. Come on youre better than this. All that prowling around. Yeah, youre the king of the jungle. Have you thought about going vegan carl . Hahaha you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. How happy are they jimmy . Happier than antelope with nightvision goggles. Nice get happy. Get geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Lets get to simon hobbs. Got a look at whats coming up on the 10 00 a. M. Hour of squawk. Well have the head of the campaign to fix the debt on the problem. Interesting interview. Also, jim paulson will be here from welles. He thinks that theres 20 upside on the stock market next year, and his reasoning is really interesting. Also, were going to talk about instagram, facebook losing, were told, a quarter of its traffic in one week. It is a wakeup call, but is it a wakeup call for shareholders or for users of the likes of google and twitter and facebook and so on . Well talk about that in the next hour of squasquawk on the stree street. See you, simon. Its not just the fiscal cliff, weve been talking about Dairy Farmers and wind farmers facing their own cliff. The price of a gallon of milk could cost 8 next year if Congress Fails to renew certain agricultural programs come december 31st. Thats when wind farmers will also see the federal wind production tax credit disappear, which could lead the industry at a standstill. In addition to the fiscal cliff, milk cliff, and wind farm cliff, what other cliff are you worried about these days . Tweet us. We have a new handle squawkstreet and junior responses throughout the morning. Some people on twitter have criticized how we just called it the container cliff. Saying not everything is a cliff. But everything is a cliff. There is a deadline. Containers will come in tor they wont. Its binary. We were chatting during the break, were not allowed to own stocks, individual names, but if there was a name you wish youd bought in the face of bad news last year . Jpmorgan. It seemed that everyone wanted to sell off the stock, and this would be a huge impact on jpm. It had some perception impact, but when it came to the performance of the bank, it really did not. The stock sold off to about 32 a share, its around 43 right now. That one, when you think about the trades i should have made, if i could have, that would have been one of them. That one seemed clear and easy. Some of the contrarian price actions that we saw this year, rimm, late in the year. Walmart after the times investigation. Im trying to think of some others. There were some doozies. Gap had a great year, wonderful year. And even in the past month or three beaks, weve seen this sort of shift into the, not the trash stocks, but the stocks that were left for dead. Trash to treasure. You take a look at jcpenney, rimm, for instance, all these sort of stocks that were just forgotten have sort of come back. And bringing it back to bank of america, which had a wonderful year, up over 100 , the question is for 2013, how does that sustain this . If theres anything that might affect it, it might be the fiscal cliff. We wont see you before the end of the year. Good to see you. Dennis berman of the wall street journal. Should you be prepping your portfolio for a 20 gain in the s p next year . Jim paulson thinks so and hell tell us why hes looking for the s p to reach as high as 2,300 in 2013. 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So to summarize, the month over month, better than expected at 1. 7. Solid at 8. 9, a little disappointing. And a quick postmortem on chicago pmi. Headline was better at 51. 6. However, the unemployment index, unemployment, jobs, jobs, jobs always near and dear to my heart. Its current read of 45. 9 is the lowest in a month over three years, november of 09. Carl, back to you. All right. A lot of numbers this morning, rick, thanks for all that. Rick santelli in chicago. A lastminute effort by the white house. President obama set to meet with congressional leaders today, 3 00 eastern time, in an effort to avert going over the fiscal cliff. With only three days to go, our next guest says its not falling over the cliff we should be worried about, its how much the landing is going to hurt. Brian mcginnis is the head of the campaign to fix the debt, president of the committee for responsible budget and joins us this morning from washington. Maya, good morning. What do you mean by that . What are you trying to say when you talk about the landing hurting the most . Well, the point is that the fiscal cliff is a deadline and its an important deadline thats there to help us focus on getting a big debt deal. The sad state of play is that it appears theyre not going to be successful in that. Theyre not going to be able to replace the cliff with a big, comprehensive debt deal thats big enough to help fix the fiscal challenges of the country. But whats even additionally troubling now is that we may actually go over the cliff. And the fact that we are going to, because of partisan fighting, and an unwillingness to tackle these challenges, do something that is really going to harm the economy and harm all of us. Its going to harm households and Small Businesses and employees. And all across the country, this is going to have an effect, because washington cant get its at act together and put in place a replacement to this cliff, and something that would fix the overall debt situation, its really a discouraging statement. And its going to have real effects on households across the country. Do you have zero confidence that today brings about a new framework or not . No, i dont have zero confidence. I think that theres a decent chance that the leaders and the white house will be coming out of this meeting with a plan to move forward. My concern is that it will only be a small step. It will be a piece of dealing with the cliff, but it wont be anything close to what we really need, which is a plan thats going to rein in spending, raise research revenues, but politicians keep delaying on tackling these tough choices. So while i have a small amount of hope that we can divert the cliff or at least delay parts of the cliff, and that will help avoid going through recession, we still have this bigger challenge out there of how are we going to fix the deficit and debt problem in this country . We know we have to make hard choices. We know the parties have to work together, and theyve got to get to work on this as quickly as possible. Maya, with the greatest of respect, it seems to me your logic is all over the place. Its very clear the nub of the discussion, the squealing that we have at the moment is whether or not to extend tax cuts. That is, in effect, saying we are going to balloon the deficit further. This is not a conversation about actually fixing the debt, is it . Thats not what were talking about at the moment. Were squealing over, lets keep the deficit big. You seem to be arguing that thats exactly what we should be doing. Let me explain, because it is more complicated than often things are discussed in washington. The problem with the fiscal cliff is it would put in place deficit reduction, but it would put in deficit reduction too much, too quickly, and with the wrong parts of the budget. So it would let all of the tax cuts expire, it would let many things like the alternative minimum tax hit the middle class. It would have a big, broadbased sequester that goes into place, not gradually, like we would want, to help not derail an economic recovery, but abruptly, and it deals with the wrong parts of the budget. So what you want to do is replace this big amount deficit reduction, all hitting just at the time when the economic recovery is starting to take hold, with a more thoughtful plan thats phased in gradually. So it doesnt do too much deficit reduction upfront, but it puts in the necessary changes to health care cost, retirement, tax reform, all over time and puts us on a sustainable path to a better place. Let me ask you a central question. Is america different from europe . Can america continue to run huge budget deficits, because the feds can buy treasuries and prop up the market, and because growth is more important than austerity . America is different than europe, in the fact that we still have the safe haven. We still are the place where markets have faith in the u. S. , and even when things are in trouble around the world, we actually benefit from that, for now. And the question is, at what point would credit markets start to become squeamish, that the u. S. Political system isnt able to tackle our fiscal challenges, and then we would lose that benefit. Right now, we are so lucky, because we have the luxury of being able to put in place a sensible and gradual deficit reduction plan. We done have to do too much deficit reduction too quickly, which is what can put an economy back into recession. If, however, we wait, if we wait and the credit markets lose faith in the u. S. , we will not be able to put in place these changes on our own terms. It will be much more troubling, it will be more harmful to the economy and families. Thats why we need to take advantage of this, put in place those changes now, but phase them in gradually, unlike the fiscal cliff, which would be much too much, too quickly. Maya, youve bon at this for a while, and this time, you have not been alone. Weve had rise above, starbucks is writing messages on coffee cups, ceos have made trips down to washington. Is there a point at which you say, you know what, our mission as an Advocacy Group failed and there is no point in trying this again . If we fail, the country fails, right . This is a group that is bringing together many outside voices. We have 2,500 Small Business leaders and 3,000 citizens across the country, leading ceos, partners, former members of congress who are all coming together and saying, this is an issue that we know has to be dealt with and that we have to put aside our partisan differences, we have to put aside the special interests, and work on this. And if we go over the fiscal cliff, well have to continue to help members of Congress Come together and solve this problem. Because, again, these are changes that will be made. The question is, are they going to be made on our own terms, or because theyre forced upon us, which would be a much, much more damaging way to make changes to our country and to stabilize the deficit and debt, to help grow the economy in the longer term. So we have to keep working on this. Its one of the biggest economic challenges facing the country. Absolutely. And the longer time goes on, the more we know just how those changes are going to happen. Maya, thank you so much for your time. Maya mcginnis, joining us from washington. Our next guest thinks that you can make 20 on the american stock market next year. Jim paulson is chief investment strategist at welles Capital Management and hes out with his Investment Outlook for the new year. It is a fascinating read. Welcome to the program, jim. How do you argue that well get potentially, what is it, 1,700, i think, on the s p, is the call. Yeah, i think it can get up to 1,700 during the year, simon, touching that. I dont know if it will end the year, but im thing 15 to 20 rerps, and i think its mainly about confidence. I think weve produced a lot of the earnings that were going to produce in this recovery cycle. Were still going to eget earnings growth, but its going to be much slower from here. What we have left is a lot of room to increase the valuation we place in those earnings. And thats about improving confidence. Look at, going into the year, look at the things that weve accomplished when we start 2013. I think in a couple weeks, were going to have some progress made on the fiscal issues. It may be modest, but i think well get some agreement. We will have revised chinese and world recoveries. We will have calmed, dramatically, your zone fears, at least away from a calamitous event. We will have geared the United States recovery. Its now firing on more cylinders than ever. Bank lending is going up, unemployment rates coming down, labor force is going, housing okay. And finally, we will have restored Balance Sheets. And thats the type of thing that gives you the sense of a sustainable recovery Going Forward. But, i want to just emphasize the main point that youre making here. That because of confidence, peoples time horizons for investing will move out. And therefore, they will rerate. And what we mean by that is for any given income stream from, say, apple, you will be willing to pay more for that income stream. You will buy the share at a higher price, because the risk to the income stream is less . I agree, simon. What weve done, every year of this recovery so far, is weve been thinking that its going to end at any moment. And in a world where theres an armageddon story and it could end this year, its hard for investors to elongate their investment horizon. Its hard for businesses to think about longer term. But lets think about for the first year, we start thinking this is a sustainable global recovery. And if we do that, businesses will be looking at cap and spending projects for multiple years and maybe you start to release some of that 2 trillion of cash on their Balance Sheets. Investors can start by discounting multiple years of earnings, which if you do that, leads to higher valuations in the stock market. I think this started in 2012. We began this year at 13 times earrings and were ending year around 14 1 2. Of the roughly 13 gain this year, 10 of that is an increase in the pe multiple. And i think well have another 10 multiple gain next year. A modest, maybe 5 gain in s p earnings. And that gives you a 1,700 target. Jim, i want to try to get some nuance in terms of your recommendation. Just going through some of your recommendations here, it sounds like you can throw a dart anywhere and you can come up with good returns. You say emerging world economies reaccelerate, emerging market stocks will likely provide the best results in 2013. You say most developed stock markets will also return solid returns again next year. And were looking at a lot of developed Market Indices at record or multiyear highs. And you say the s p 500 will deliver returns in 2013. It sounds like everything is coming up roses in 2013. How can that be . I dont agree with that. Thats not what im saying. I think risk assets and equities will have a good global year. Theyre going to do the best in the emerging world, which had their values depressed over the last 13 months and will now reaccelerate. Theyre going to do better in developed markets overseas, relative to the United States, because i think the dollar will continue to weaken, primarily. But i think theyre going to do well everywhere. But that doesnt mean everything. I think bonds are going to finally get hit next year pretty hard, and have negative return for tenyear bond holders, for example. I think many parts of the commodity market, like the safe haven, precious metals, gold could come back or come down a little bit, as the safe haven premium goes away. I think Agricultural Prices are probably going to come down after the Drought Conditions normalize. Right. Again. So there are aspects that arent going to do very well, but i think equities are going to have a very good year. Im trying to connect the dots here. You expect the s p 500 to deliver up to 20 pngt returns in 2013 and you think emerging and International Development markets are going to do better and expecting even higher returns there, correct . Yeah. Modestly, yes. But some of thats currency, is what im saying. Maybe the european and japanese markets do about the same as the United States, but with a 5 decline in the currency this year relative to theirs, you get a 3 boost when you bring those back into u. S. Dollar returns. And i would say the same thing gets emerging markets. Theyre going to, i think, do better overall, but i also think theres going to be a steady erosion of the u. S. Dollar against emerging currency value. So thats currency translation. You know what happens next, gym, dont you . Now youve nailed your colors to the mast. All year, well be bringing you on saying, what happened to the target you put on the s p . For four years, ive been used to people not believing that the market can go up, and pretty much, thats what its done. So im sort of used to this position. I hope youre right. I hope youre right. Happy holidays. Its lucky 13 next year. Its going to be a good year. In asia. Thanks, jim, thanks very much. Jim paulsen there from wells. Lets get over to brian for a market flashback. Its our Daily Research in motion update, melissa. Its kind of a dual story, rimm and nokia. Rimm and nokia settled a patent dispute last year and said rimm will pay nokia a onetime fee plus ongoing royalties but didnt specify how much. The first payment is going to be about 50 million euros, about 65 million u. S. Some people may be happy about that on the rimm side and may be disappointed with that on the nokia side. But therell also be ongoing royalties paid as well. Rimm up, nokia down. So fair to say the market say g ing maybe this is better for rimm as previously thought. Brian sullivan, thanks. It is one of the industries most sensitive to the fiscal cliff negotiations, were talking about defense. What is ahead for the industry in 2013. Weve got predictions. Plus, how to play the defense stocks going into the new year. And im here to tell homeowners that are 62 and older about a great way to live a better retirement. Its called a reverse mortgage. [ male announcer ] call right now to receive your free dvd and booklet with no obligation. It answers questions like how a reverse mortgage works, how much you qualify for, the ways to receive your money, and more. Plus, when you call now, youll get this magnifier with l. E. D. Light absolutely free. When you call the experts at one reverse mortgage today, youll learn the benefits of a governmentinsured reverse mortgage. It will eliminate your monthly mortgage payments and give you taxfree cash from the equity in your home. And heres the best part you still own your home. Take control of your retirement today. The Defense Industry sure to be affected if we go over the fiscal cliff in just three days because of those automatic spending cuts to the industry. Our jane welles has a look at whats ahead for defense in 2013. Reporter as the u. S. Leaves the fog of war, the Defense Industry enters the fog of deficits. No industry is more vulnerable to the budget acts, and here are three predictions for 2013. First, the f35, lockheeds joint Strike Fighter will be just fine. The most expensive program in history has been hit with cost overruns and production delays and concern from foreign buyers over its price. But lockheed and the pentagon have come to terms to buy another round of the jets for nearly 4 billion. Morgan stanley calls the f35 the single most important investment debate over lockheed stock. Second, cash will be king. As defense spending slows, analysts say many Defense Companies will reduce Share Buyback programs and conservative capital. And look to International Customers to make up for lost business at home. Third, its a bird, its a plane, its big brother. As criticism rises over the use of drone strikes by the obama administration, look to see Companies Launching drone war at home for deals to build Unmanned Aircraft for domestic use. The faa says there could be 30,000 uavs in u. S. Skies by 2020. The teal group says domestic drones could be worth 89 billion over ten years, as everyone from Homeland Security to tmz wants permission to use them. Lets get some more insight on the defense skprkt how to play it as the fiscal cliff deadline grows closer. Howard rubel is with jeffries. Great to speak with you. And i guess key to understanding the impact on these individual stocks, as jane had pointed out in her piece, is to understand which programs might be protected, even with budget cuts that the industry is facing. The f35, for instance, is one that might be protected. Walk us through. Which ones had the most protected streams of revenue . Frankly, many of them do at the moment, because the pentagon has been very busy signing production contracts to get under the wire of the sequester. So, for instance, the General Dynamics deal that was selling to the navy for the submarine, those funds are, in fact, protected. Thats one example of a deal being signed under the wire to get it through . Exactly. General dynamics got the ch and Development Money for the ohio class replacement. Thats a 1. 8 billion contract that will keep them busy for five years, on just the design of that replacement program. So in your view, are the stocks reflecting this . We have seen a sharp runup in the stocks since the end of november, and more broadly, the philadelphia defense index is close to 52week highs. Well, i think thats right. I mean, part of it is cheap cost of money elsewhere. I mean, where else to invest in stocks, where your business is backed by the u. S. Government, when you have yields that are two and three times what the fiveyear is trading at today. But there must be some sort of impact, howard. I mean, we were talking about, if we go as far as sequestration, what would the impact be . Some of the Service Companies will be impacted, but whats going to be remarkable, a lot of people that work for the Defense Department in the civilian areas, theyre all going to have to look left and look right, and if something doesnt happen, 10 of them are going to be furloughed at some point before, if the impasse doesnt work itself out. But as far as the private sector is concerned, what you seem to be saying is that the military industrial complex, which eisenhower raised 50 years ago, as a problem, is totally in tact at the moment. Theyve been planning for a decline, and we have a 2 to 3 decline. And i think therell be enough cash on you know, the returns on capital for the industry still exceed their cost of capital. So it makes them attractive. So tell me, if, as i suggest, that complex is still in tact, does that push america back into war, in order to justify what theyre doing, wherever the white house would actually like to be at the moment. You know, frankly, i think that one of the problems we have is we didnt pay for this last war with higher taxes. And were now suffering the aftereffects of that. I also think that were going to see a wind down in whats called the overseas contingency spending funding. Thats about 88 billion, and that could go to 30 billion. So there is some areas where theres a significant down payment on the deficit. I mean, the problem in some cases is, we forget that getting gasoline to kabul is not the same as getting it at your pump. Its a multiple of price per gallon. And the Energy Intensity and inefficiency of certain military weapons, you know, draws on certain parts of the economy that arent necessarily job creating. All right. 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Exactly what can be done to help protect assets, primarily from the tax consequences of going over the fiscal cliff . At the top of our short list, theres still time to take advantage of the gift tax. Right now theres a 5 million exemption and the tax rate is 35 . At midnight on new years eve, that exemption drops to just 1 million and the tax rate goes to 55 . The Capital Gains tax rate, of course, is expected to increase from 20 to 30 . Theres brandnew 3. 9 medicare tax on high wage earners and a tax for wealthy donations. Primarily between House Republicans and the Obama White House in the senate. But a survey done by Northern Trust of High Net Worth individuals priorities found 44 saying their top priority for the country is Economic Growth and reducing unemployment versus 19 for reducing the federal budget deficit. Another 15 said they wanted to see an end to gridlock. Good luck. Now, as far as their own Wealth Preservation strategies. That same survey found High Net Worth persons, those with 5 million or more in assets, obviously much more proactive in anticipating the tax consequences of going over the cliff than those with 1 million or less in assets. Simon . Okay, hampton, busy days. Hampton pearson there in washington. Straight ahead, a looming port strike that could cost the u. S. Economy billions of dollars. The mayor of houston will join us live to tell us how this strike will affect her cities and cities right along the east coast. Squawk on the street will be right back. Off vietnam in 1968. Over the South Pacific in 1943. I got mine in iraq, 2003. Usaa Auto Insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. Because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaas commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. Begin your legacy, get an Auto Insurance quote. Usaa. We know what it means to serve. [ cows moo ] [ sizzling ] more rain. [ thunder rumbles ] [ male announcer ] when the world moves. Futures move first. Learn futures from experienced pros with dedicated chats and daily live webinars. And trade with papermoney to testdrive the market. All on thinkorswim. From td ameritrade. Welcome back to squawk on the street. Im Bertha Coombs at the nymex. A drawdown of 72 billion cubic feet. Slightly light of the consensus. The biggest drawdown is expected east of 42,000 cubic feet. Not as big of a production decline we saw last week. John woods. This number is right in line with what you were expecting. It was no surprise, and its reflected by the prices right here. Were at the top end of our range here, and a forecast on weather, basically indicated wed have cold temperatures. But afteat, thit seems to be warming up a little bit. Look for these prices to come up from here. And natural gas has really been an issue of weather, not really about the fiscal cliff and the concerns in the economy . We take a look at the economy, but theres really no industrial demand to propel this market higher to eat up this gas we have out here. So we look at the markets, the weather patterns, and that really dictates what the price of natural gas is. Whats interesting is natural gas, which often sort of gets treated a little bit like rodney dangerfield. To respect. This year has had a fantastic year. If you look at that yeartodate charge, were up about 13 on natural gas futures. The first year to the upside in five years. Whats really propelled that . We look at it a technical marker right now. Were pretty much absent any kind of news out of the middle east. Its really not going to affect us. We look at the weather, laook a the economy. You trade off of that. And natural gas is a real good tradeable market. And looking ahead into 2013, after this massive move, is there going to be pressure here at these levels . Even though theres a lot of gas out there, i think youll see natural gas increase. I think the economy will turn around a little bit, youll see industrial demand kick in, a little bit higher oil prices, but not that much higher. And oil prices, one last question. You were talking about the fact that wti has been stronger than brent these days. Whats your theory on that . I think guys are taking money off the table. And youre seeing that happen right now terrific. Thanks, john. We will be getting the inventory numbers on oil and products coming up at the top of the hour. Carl, back to you. Okay, bertha. Well see you then. Thanks so much. About an hour into trading here. Some of the stories were squawking about, 7 32 on the west coast, 10 32 on wall street. Hp confirming that justice has notified the firm that it has opened an investigation into autonomy. Hp clocking in as the worst performer on the dough so far this year. November pending home sales rising 9. 8 year over year. Thats the highest level in 2 1 2 years. And barnes noble chairs rallying over british publishing and Education Company pearson says it will invest 85. 9 million in nook media in exchange for a 5 equity stake. Well, houstons port is a big employer and a very busy one, one of the busiest in the world, but it could be stalled by a labor strike that threatens the city, as well as more than a dozen others along the eastern seaboard and gulf coast. Annise parker is the mayor of houston. Mayor parker, great to have you with us. Glad to be with you. Your port handles about 70 of the shipping container business along the gulf coast, so this could be a major blow how will it impact your city, exactly . Of our nine terminals, two are container terminals, and it will shut those down. 70 to 150 workers will be not showing up to work, will shut down access to those terminals now. We will continue to do business through our other terminals, but it could have a really severe and Immediate Impact on not just what happens at the port, but this is about cargo moving to other places. So its everything up and down the supply chain. Im sure so many businesses have reached out to you, mayor parker. What are some of the industries that might be impacted the most . Because its not just finished goods that move through ports, obviously, its also Raw Materials and parts. Well, this is about, again, the people who actually unload the cargo, this is a dispute between the ila and the shippers who used containerized cargo. And a lot of our cargo is noncontainerized, socalled break bulk. But this is about the trucking companies. It is about gas stations and the Furniture Stores and the walma t walmarts of the world, down the line. Our port is about a million jobs, overall, and 175 billion impacts to the economy of the state of texas. So you could tell how far the tentacles reach. Mayor, are there other ports, maybe smaller portings next to you, in metro areas, that are not unionized in this way, that would take that share . Is there is a workaround on this if it really happens . There are always going to be workarounds, but this is something that no other port is capable of taking that volume of containerized cargo. And well be holding ships offshore, theyll look, if the strike lingers on, theyll be send shippings to other ports, trying to take them into the west coast, for example. This is something that our economy does not need. Between this discussion about a potential strike and our ports and the socalled fiscal cliff, our economy is coming back, but its still very tenuous. This is the last thing that we want to see happen, and both sides need to get together and work this out. Mayor parker, have you taken a stand on where you think the negotiations should go at this point . Whether it be on the union side or the maritime side . Im a big believer of doing negotiating at the bargaining contain table. I have to do a lot of negotiations with my unions. They just need to get back together and work this out. The crux of the matter is on royalty payments that were put in decades ago to soften the blow of moving to automated containerized ar ccargo. Its certainly time to move forward to a new agreement. You cant just cling to the past forever, but both sides are going to have to give and move this forward. This is bad for the u. S. Economy. And it will have ripple effects around the world. Mayor parker, thank you for your time. Were down 83 on the dow. Lets get a market flash back at hq. Brian . Simon, some pending home sales came in high. In fact, the highest level in two and a half years. But look at that board, four out of the five Home Builders im showing you are actually down right now. This could be an interesting indication that the market has already predicted or priced in some of these gains in pending home sales, right . The number is not moving these stocks. Many of these names, guys, as you know, have doubled or even, in fact, hovnanian is up about 380 . If youre looking for pending home Sales Numbers to move these stocks, you may keep waiting, because theyre not this morning. Thank you very much, brian. For sure we know that active users on Facebooks Instagram service have plunged in the weeks since it decade a major u turn on its threat to sell users photos . Is it a wakeup call to facebook, google, and twitter. And if so, is that wakeup call for users of services or for their shareholders . Thats next. Ask you to power down your little word game. I think your friends will understand. Oh no, its actually my geico app. See . I just uh paid my bill. Did you really . From the plane . 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Certainly, some celebrities have stopped posting. Youll remember that facebook acquired instagram earlier this year for 1 billion. Joining us now on the newsline is rich greenfield, a media analyst for btig. Rich, welcome to the program. If that is correct, if that data is right, that is a huge move in response to what instagram was threatening to do. Well, youve got to remember that facebook bought instagram because it threatened one of the core activities or use cases, exha actually, the original use case of facebook was picture sharing. Instagram was not only the place where an increasing number of users was sharing photos among each others, what was really interesting was the conversations that were occurring around the photos. So people would post a picture and there would be a tremendous amount of conversation around each picture, taking place actually on the instagram mobile app itself. And i think that functionality really scared facebook in terms of people drifting away from using pictures, even if we were linking them to facebook, the core place they were doing the activity was on instagram. So the challenge you just mentioned is, how do you thunder this huge amount of activity on instagram into a business . And clearly, stage one, or at least the way they were setting it up has already failed, because consumers have acted very negatively to even the hint of modernization. But that is the issue, isnt it . Because this is the wakeup call to the naivete of all of us, who are now in great detail, sharing our lives on facebook, on gmail, on twitter. This is potentially a major line in the sand, isnt it, for this industry . Look at what just happened yesterday with Mark Zuckerbergs sister. Posting a picture to facebook that privacy settings werent set correctly on her account. She didnt realize it and she ended up sharing it far more broadly. Theres a huge issue around privacy and trying to term what weve deemed this issue that each of those companies have in terms of social responsibility, and how do you turn that into profit generation . Its just not an easy task. Its one of the reasons why we keep wondering, as social media plays out online, if advertising is not the issue, because its too invasive privacy wise, and whether there needs to be new forms of moderatization that dont exist today on any of these platforms. That make sense. If this data was the truth, would you take the over or the under on this losing a quarter of your users stuff . I dont know the official number. I think its fair to say when you have apps that have exploded over the course of the last couple of months, it wouldnt be and not to mention, the continued growth of apps like twitter and the separation of twitter from inextstagram, you know, if youre on twitter and you want to see someone who has linked the instagram picture, you have to click out. It definitely decreases the usefulness and traffic draw to instagram. And i think all of that is probably playing into it. I dont know if this one statistic is right, but i think the idea that traffic is down, given all the things weve just talked about in terms of the user policy change, facebooks reaction with poke, all of these things, i think, are contributing to pressure on that user metric. Rich, whats the bottom line here . Does this hurt facebook . Should investors be concerned that the share price will feel the impact . I think thats whats actually funny at the moment, you know, instagram, just to be clear, makes absolutely no money. Here is a business that whether it has a billion users, a hundred million users, or somewhere in between, whatever the number it is and how much its fallen, to quote the statistics in the post today, the reality is it makes no money. The question was, this was going to be a big growth engine, i think a lot of investors have started to expect monetization in 2013 by instagram. Given the missteps and declining traffic, that would call that into question. The bigger question, and what worries us about facebook as you move forward is they are jamming a tremendous amount of advertising into the neuews fee to really increase profitability. Thats why we wouldnt be short the stock right now, but at what point do users start to react to the ad load in the core facebook product . Theyre clearly reacting to even the hint of it in the instagram product. You know, coming from europe, rich, my concern would be for investors, what the regular response would be and what the backlash would be on privacy that could really, across the board, and im thinking particularly more of google, actually, could actually affect their business. You know, there are these continual skirmishes that were seeing. And if the regulators push back, a lot of those income streams could be quite badly damaged . You know, thats really an interesting point. We actually on our blog, and any of our viewers are welcome to go to the blog and read it, but we got a letter from a principle on a long island school, who actually was very concerned with how these applications are being used and how students and their parents are not really reading terms of service. Dont really understand what they are doing. And the question is, will there be further regulation, because even though there are terms of service, theyre not even fully understood by consumers. Its a great point, because obviously, that social responsibility issue is very important, visavis, profit generation, as you move forward. Rich, well leave it there. Good to see you. Thank you for your time. Rich greenfield there from btig. Some predictions for the new year. Your best ways to make money in 2013 are coming up. And still to come, what to expect from the Banking Sector next year with a looming fiscal cliff and those february stress tests. Brad hints is here to weigh in on that a little later. Ling like a shadow of your former self . Cmon, michael get in the game [ male announcer ] dont have the hops for hoops with your buddies . Lost your appetite for romance . And your mood is on its way down. You might not just be getting older. You might have a treatable condition called low testosterone or low t. Millions of men, fortyfive or older, may have low t. So talk to your doctor about low t. Hey, michael [ male announcer ] and step out of the shadows. Hi how are you . [ male announcer ] learn more at isitlowt. Com. [ la ] hey weve shaved a lot of that off. Currently down 38 points. And be prepared for some of this as we get closer and closer to this 3 00 meeting between the president and congressional leaders because the headlines will start flying, are already flying to a large degree today. Lets get to the cme group, Rick Santelli on the santelli exchange. Rick . Thanks, carl. Coming into year end one of the big topics of course is housing. And rightly so. Its at the epicenter of what caused the crisis. Many believe youre not going to see a solid economy in the u. S. Until we truly get housing contributing to gdp. There seems to be many experts, analysts, and, you know, housing participants that think that time has arrived. One thing that made it so difficult to predict is that housing is so difficult. Its kind of noncorrelating meaning property all across the country is unique. I remember mr. Greenspan in 05 when questioned about housing and the outlook and even the early indications of sub prime, his notion was, you know, housing is so dissimilar that that gives it a protective force. It also protects us from understanding how much better housing is really getting. Case in point the good. The good is Huffington Post ran some numbers from realty trek. U. S. Home repossessions rose to a ninemonth high in november. Even as the number of homes started on the path to foreclosures declined to the lowest level in six years. So lowest level in six years sounds great even though the repossession aspects may be not that good news down a notch. Now lets look at the bad. As you start to get more local or large city looks david roeder rights for the sun times, one of my favorites and put out a piece a couple days ago where he took three washington policy institutes and put together some of their research. He found if you just looked at large cities foreclosures were about 6 but the record is 6. 1 . If you loosked at just chicago 8. 7 foreclosure rate versus a year ago, year over year at 8. 8. So only 0. 1 better. If you specifically looked at cook county, their Third Quarter prices were down 3 year over year. You have the good, the bad, and it gets very difficult to just come up with one lump sum. One thing we can walk away with, it seems as though housing has bottomed. Many states deal with the core process of foreclosures and there have been breakthroughs there. Ive talked with many experts who really think there is still a shadow inventory of foreclosures that are going to be freed into 2013. You try to figure it out. The last, well maybe this is the credit market side of a possible positive for u. S. Treasuries or some of the good ones like boons. Theres a wall street Journal Journal article that points to argentina and the 2001 aftermath of the default is in new york in the court system trying to renege on some of their obligations. They gave up their sovereign rights with some of their issuance just to raise money. Well, if they do default and they do renege on their promises thats just another dent in the global credit markets, which means another positive from flight to safety and some of the credit markets that totally disto distort things like is the economy doing better or worse . Thank you. Tweet time. Dairy farmers and wynn farms facing their own fiscal cliffs in addition to the actual fiscal cliff. Whatever cliff are you worried about . Tweet us at squawk on the street. Well have your responses next. Time for citi price rewind. Because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. And you really dont want to pay more than you have to. Only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. 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Dairy farms and wind farms facing their own cliffs brings us to this mornings squawk on the tweet. In addition to the fiscal, milk, and wind farm cliffs what other cliffs are you worried about . Chuck ls writes im terrified of the mcrib cliff. What will we do without that amazing sauce and processed pork . Happens all the time. The estate tax cliff. Will have to die within next three days to beat it. C. I writes, my name is cliff. Im worried about me. Can you imagine . Being run over by the milk trucks and the containers. Yeah. You got a busy night tonight talking a lot about what happens at 3 00. Given the meeting is at 3 00 and will take a certain amount of time if they come out and Start Talking we could really see some whip saw action. Keep in mind futures markets are still open after 5 00. These are all markets well be watching in response. When we come in on monday we could actually be talking about a deal. Harwood is tweeting, gop budget source updated the duration of a potential mini deal harwood saying 60 to 90 days not 30 to 60. Wow. 60 to 90 days. We go into march. Right. And not have anything. That is recession territory. Well see you in a little bit. Thanks a lot. Lets get to the next hour of squawk on the street. Heres what you missed earlier on this morning. Welcome to hour three of squawk on the street. Heres whats happening so far. Youre standing at the cliff. Its scary looking down. But in the other side things looked pretty good. Housing is rebounding. The feds accommodated. Energy prices and dependents are reducing. So longterm we get to the right place. The only way we get a deal was when the speaker concedes the basic point that you have to have a deal between the speaker and the president. If you dont have that, nothing else matters. They dont necessarily care that this is one of most popular congresses in recent history and one of the most productive. They want to stick by their principles. If those milk prices go up, for people around this country, i think thats going to be the thing that gets people really animated. And these sort of disposable videos that are great for teens who want to relate to each other via video. Said the new father. Its really just become quite a phenomenon. Heres the opening bell. These are changes that will be made. The question is are they going to be made on our own terms or because they are forced upon us which would be a much, much more damaging way to make changes to our country. Right. And to stabilize deficit and debt to help grow the economy in the longer term. Lots of breaking news on crude oil inventories. Bertha is at the nymex. It looks like demand kind of fell off a cliff last week. Reporting that crude stockpiles declined by 586,000. Thats well below the consensus. Big build when it came to distallates not what the street was looking for. 2. 4 million. That includes gasoline and diesel. And we, in terms of gasoline, a monster build compared to expectations of nearly 4 million. 3. 8 Million Barrels of gasoline. Were seeing gasoline come off of the highs. Had been near the highs of the session ahead of the numbers. Were holding in near 91 here in terms of wti, nymex crude. Traders are saying one of the things were seeing in terms of the strength of the wti nymex crude, all year weve seen a big disparity between the price of brent and wti nymex crude. A lot of people have traded that disparity, that spread. So some of them taking profits have tended to buy back wti and sell brent and thats a bit of what weve been seeing over the last couple days. Right now weve got brent as i peek around the corner down about 16 cents or so. Wti holding in at 91. Once again kind of a bearish number there. Back to you. Bertha, thank you for that. Bertha coombs over at the nymex. We are live here at post 9. Get a check on the markets this morning. We had some serious selloff going on earlier. Dow is down almost triple digits. Currently shave that in about half as we continue to be on high alert for any headlines regarding fiscal cliff discussions in washington. Meanwhile hp has confirmed that the Justice Department is looking to allegations that autonomy engaged in those questionable Accounting Practices before hp acquired it last year. Hp also clocking in of course as the worst performer on the dow for 2012. The fourth worst in the entire s p. And barnes noble shares surging on news that british education and media Publisher Pearson will buy a 5 stake in bkss nook media. Lets get to the road map for the next hour. Well start with the cliff. Congressional leaders set to meet with the president later today. The clock ticking. Just two trading days left. What needs to be done to get a deal signed, delivered, and sealed. A former top economist to the former president george w. Bush will give us his take. Plus with a looming cliff and februarys next round of stress tests is the bank trade about to reverse course . And last but not least as the shopping season turns from buying to returning, we take a look at how this year could be one for the record books when it comes to exchanges. First up, though, congressional leaders set to meet later today. P. M be exact. Still no deal in sight. Can anything be done to save us from going eefr the cliff with just three days left . Weve got an economist who also happens to know a bit about how washington works. Joining us to break down all the possible scenarios. A senior fellow at the hoover institution, served as chairman to the president s council of economic advisers from 06 to 09. Ed, great to see you again. Good morning. Nice to be with you, carl. Good to see you again. I know you are a bit removed from the old gig but any intel . What do you think is actually happening or will happen today . Well, you know, were all hopeful that something will happen. Its unfashionable, i think, at this point to say that the best we can hope for is kicking the can down the road. But i actually think that is probably the right course at this point. Id much rather see us postpone and get us through the next few months or so and then do the right thing in the long run for the economy. The big problem is if we do something right now that has long lasting, adverse effects on Economic Growth that will cost us for a very long time. Id rather not see that happen. So you think this will happen in the context or against the backdrop of a debt ceiling discussion, is that whats going to happen . I think that is more likely and i think that is probably the better route. You know, if you think about where we are right now, the big problem, the immediate problem of course is the tax increases. That is the bulk of the fiscal cliff anyway and it is also the bulk of the impediment to the economy. So if you were thinking where is this going to lead us, what happens if we go off the cliff, i would estimate that in the short run it would probably cost us up to about a point of gdp which is about a half million jobs. In the long run it could cost about a half percentage point of growth every year. So, you know, this is the kind of thing that is really quite serious in terms of its impact on standard of living over the long haul. And we really need to get this right. It is not the kind of thing we can do in the next couple days im afraid. Half a million jobs, whether half or a whole million jobs, that is a significant number. A big hit to the labor market. Are you saying recession or not . Well, you know, again, it depends on what the baseline is. Im not sure wed actually call it a recession, but just losing a percentage point of growth is significant whether it puts us in through recession or not. If we go remember our growth rate has only been about 2 . If we cut our growth rate from 2 down to 1 were really at a crawl. We really havent been at recovery pace in terms of growth rate since the recovery began. And we need to be not at 2 . We need to be at 4 . We certainly dont want to go to 1 . Somebody this morning made the argument that the president is going to fight for a deal a lot harder than some suspect because nobody remembers who the House Speaker was during the great recession. There actually were a few of them, names i probably never heard before. I wonder if you think thats true. Well, you know, i think that the president s fallback position is actually something that is probably not too adverse to his particular position. You know, think about it. What happened . If we go off the cliff, then tax rates revert to where they were in the clinton years and remember that only affects half of the taxpayers in the country because only half of the people pay income tax so its not 97 . Its actually only the top half. And that may not be so such a bad consequence from his point of view. It also brings in a significant amount of revenue, which allows him to spend in the way that i think hed like to do, so it could take a good bit of pressure off of him and, you know, im just concerned that he may not feel the same pressure to keep taxes low as the rest of us do. He probably is not a believer that high tax rates would impede the economy at least not to the same extent that i believe that. Yeah. Finally, you know, a lot of the bulls who are encouraging investors to get into the market over the next 12 months say that cap x would come back even with a bandaid, that companies with all their cash and their refinancings have money to spend and that they will spend it in the new year. Are you seeing any empirical evidence that suggests that is actually so . Well, im not sure that is the case. The big issue for us is the taxes on the capital side because the one thing that can move across International Boundaries is capital. That moves very quickly and there are a number of studies, the most recent by the oecd, that shows that capital taxation is the one that has the biggest adverse consequence for the economy. Thats primarily because capital can move. They have other opportunities to invest. So if we increase our Capital Gains taxes, if we increase the taxes on dividends, i fear that that could actually have a pretty significant detrimental effect on investment and on cap x in general. Yes. Well the words happy new year have taken on a different tone this year. Ill tell you that. Good to see you. If i dont see you before the end of the year have a great beginning of 2013. You, too. Thanks a lot. Meantime, fiscal cliff uncertainty isnt the only wild card investors should be worried about. We have a strategist who says there are other x factors investors need to consider. We have the chief investment strategist at bno Capital Markets joining us this morning. Brian, good morning to you. Thanks for having us, carl. So if the cliff isnt enough to worry about what else is there . Well, theres always things to worry about that people arent expecting. You know, the fiscal cliff clearly is what everyone is talking about and our view is it will not be viewed as a win for the politicians because it is something clearly that they have to do. Lets look at how politicians can potentially see a win Going Forward. We think thats going after the, quoteunquote, evil financial market. Youve seen so many big banks be in the headlines over the past few years. Consumer america clearly still does not trust the Financial System and so we think that over regulation of really the Big Money Center banks is what is coming over the next few years where youre going to see potential volcker rule placement, potential breakup of the big banks which will clearly benefit the regional banks and the Asset Managers here in the u. S. Brian, i know a large part of this year was spent discussing whether or not there would be the socalled long to bonds goldman called it as generational departure from that bubble. I dont mean to make light of it but is 2013 finally the year . Well, think about this, carl. You and i grew up in the 80s and 90s thinking about how we would buy bonds and buy bond funds because wed clip the coupon and collect the income. We believe that investors are not buying bond funds because of income or that. It is simply because they think they are not going to lose money. It is a safety net. We believe as the economy slowly improves and surprises to the upside. We get through this fiscal cliff stuff. We get back to the business of americas business, Interest Rates will slowly tick higher and investors that have been buying bond funds the last few years will realize that theyre losing money when they see the negative signs in their statements. That is going to be a surprise moment for many investors and we think theyll slowly start coming back into equity funds and well start to see the first inflows, namely, a general and strong inflows that weve seen in multiple years. Were beginning to see a trickle of that but you think that would accelerate. You say 1575 year end. Industrials, energy, and i. T. What is so special about those . Well, in reverse order, technology really is the cash cow for corporate america. Its really invoked a strong structural change in terms of Balance Sheet management and Cash Management but more importantly the earnings consistency. Energy, we believe the u. S. Is moving more closely toward Energy Independence over the next three to five years. Lastly industrials are the most eclectic sector in the u. S. Market and really focus on the industrials, machinery, Railroad Companies that will really benefit from the domestic revival we see the second half of 2013. I saw a piece yesterday, brian, that said one of the big trends of the year is scruffy beards, very light beards on celebrities. I can see youre enjoying that trend. Looks good. Thank you carl. See you next time. Financials and the fiscal cliff. What is next for the big bank trade after a big run up in 2012 . We have sanford bernsteins brad hintz to weigh in. First Rick Santelli always clean shaven is joining us next working on something for a little later on. We have jeff carter. Were going to talk about the fiscal cliff but from a much more cynical perspective. He believes that the cbos call, if we go over the cliff in recession, well, he doesnt believe him. He says there is a keynesian base. What does it mean . He too cynical . I dont know. Tune in in about 11 minutes to find out. Financials and the fiscal cliff plus the looming february stress tests is the big bank runup of this year finally coming to a close . Brad hintz is an Equity Research analyst and joins us from new york. Good to see. Good morning. Thanks for having me. New year is going to be fascinating to watch. Dodd frank implementation. Lets just talk about the rules first. Investors know these are coming and why are the stocks trading up in light of what we know is going to be a different kind of year . Well, one reason that youve seen the runup is a lot of the uncertainty seems to be to be working away. The banks are making the changes to live in this post basal 3 dodd frank environment. Youre seeing inventory levels change. Youre seeing compensation levels change on wall street. These are all the necessary things. If you remember, you know, a year ago the market was convinced that the Capital Markets banks would never be able to beat their cost of capital again. Where were now beginning to see banks take action. Some pretty controversial. Think of ubs and their action of pulling back and fixed income. But all of this says that management isnt just, you know, asleep at the switch Going Forward destroying shareholder value. So weve got the ubs example of pairing your trading business, citi obviously pairing their head count. You say it is going to be more of a war around the edges cutting around the edges. What do you mean by that . What youre seeing so much with the banks right now is no one wants to give up the optionality of their Capital Markets business. What i mean by that is will we have fixed income markets Going Forward . Of course we have. We have debt thats being issued by governments, by corporations. Will we need a Capital Markets business . Even though the Capital Markets businesses arent beating their cost of capital right now what were seeing is were seeing compensation levels coming down, increasing the margins in it. Were seeing inventory levels come in. That means that the amount of capital that theyre putting, that they have there is dropping, which of course would be an improvement in roes. All of this leads to a world of sort of a repricing of the Capital Markets. Wider bid offers treads, less tratding volume, less risk taken but will there be a Capital Markets business . The answer is yes. Unfortunately right now the issue we have is the fiscal cliff which makes everything uncertain at least through march. A lot of washington circus going on. We, you know, i think its pretty reasonable to assume that no politician, no libertarian would ever want the u. S. To default on its debt. So by march we should have a solution to that. Then what we are is were back in an environment of a slow, recovering economy. Right. Europe having ring fenced their problems. Not solved them. But ring fenced them. And were seeing the actions of the banks making their changes. It apyrpears to us were at the early stage of a Capital Markets recovery as you start seeing the Solutions Work their way through. Right. In to 2014 retailer investor begin to move into equities and out of fixed income. We can only hope. Yeah. So let me ask you with that. Do you go with those where margins are highest like a goldman . Do you go where the Geographic Reach is broadest like a city . Your favorite picks are goldman, some of the big center maxim right . Citi certainly has an advantage in its position internationally as asia picks up citi is going to pick up. Theyre well positioned for that. Goldman sachs certainly the leader on the Investment Banking side. We would put them in a portfolio. You can buy goldman today at a price below what the partners could buy it back when it was a partnership. Go with it. Interesting. Provocative prediction. Good to see you. Happy 2013. Thank you. Brad hintz. The post christmas rush for retailers. Gift cards, returns, exchanges. Jane wells will break it down a little later on and of course well get you down to the close in europe about 11 minutes away. Drum and flute n look whos back. Again . Its embarrassing its embarrassing we can see you carl. We can totally see you. Come on youre better than this. All that prowling around. Yeah, youre the king of the jungle. Have you thought about going vegan carl . Hahaha you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. How happy are they jimmy . Happier than antelope with nightvision goggles. Nice get happy. Get geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. She keeps you guessing. Its part of what you love about her. 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Thats what were going to talk about. Yes. I promoed this by talking and discussing how keynesian arguments are embedded in the fiscal cliff. Right. Maybe you can explain what that means. So all the arguments here are keynesian. All the budget numbers even from the cbo are keynesian. So if we go back into time into 2009, what did you say in march of 2009 about the stimulus . Well, it was a waste of 3 4 of a trillion or 7 8 of a trillion dollars. Right. So what they do is they look at that and they use what is called a Multiplier Effect to gauge how much impact it is going to have on the economy. Which were hugely over inflated. The Multiplier Effect is zero of Government Spending. If were going to go over the cliff the converse must be true which is it doesnt matter if Government Spending goes down because it has no Economic Impact in the broader economy. Short term on transfers and what not but it isnt really the type of gdp growth we need. Where does the money come from . Farmer a and give it to farmer b. An old laugher. The fed can create it or you can tax it and so youre just pulling money and moving it around. Youre not throwing the pie. And so we have a spending problem in the United States. Were already hitting the debt ceiling. The republicans are losing all their leverage if they cave in on the fiscal cliff because theyre going to lose the debt ceiling debate. We saw a tweet earlier. 30 to 60day solution. Then it was revamped to be a kind of 60 to 90 days. It looked like a 400,000 threshold on the tax side. Right. Amt patch, unemployment insurance. Now on the amt patch in particular, this is a huge issue because it is a retro liability. Right. These are needs to be funded from 2012 moneys. Right. Which people havent set aside. Right. I hate talking leverage because to me this is too important. Right. That is really all that is going on. It is exactly right. Doesnt it change the dynamics there . If there is anybody watching cnbc that hasnt been snared by amt i kind of hope you do in a weird sort of way because it is just massively destructive to your Capital Formation when youre making money. We get snared by amt down here all the time and anybody that is in a selfemployed situation always gets snared. Without an amt patch, youre going to have a gazillion americans get snared by it. Selfishly i hope they do so they understand the implications in tax policy because right now most americans dont feel it. I consider amt the poster child for why we need tax reform. Okay. This was done what, in the 60s to literally capture i think it was under 200 tax filers. Right. They didnt adjust it for inflation. No. Duh. Come on. We want these guys to write tax codes . It was absolutely a populist fix. Our tax policy as john cochran says, and everybody knows, is totally screwed up. You have situations today, i saw a tweet where facebook has income outside of the United States. Facebook, starbucks. All of them. Google. We need to talk about tax policy in terms of getting capital back into the United States and working for the United States rather than talking about who has what and thats all the debate is about is who has what. You say 400,000 come on. That argument doesnt hold water. The wealthy dont spend money. Tell that to all the people that buy the toys, service the toys, plan vacations, help clean the house. Investing in businesses more importantly. It is never zero sum game. Right. That is why whether youre looking at Office Budget management, cbo, youre right. There is always a keynesian notion. They look at the world in a static way where Government Spending has a multiplier. If you go back to the basic assumptions the keynesian looks at the demand curve. The other people look at the supply curve. If you think about randomness, what you can control, you cannot control the randomness on the demand curve. You can control it on the supply curve which is why everybody has supply Chain Management practices. They dont have demand chain practices. Excellent point as always. Jeff carter. Carl, back to you. If we could get the demand Chain Management that would be great. Thank you, guys. Nearly every americans taxes could go up if we go over the cliff. Well explain just how much you could be on the hook for when we come right back. Off vietnam in 1968. Over the South Pacific in 1943. I got mine in iraq, 2003. Usaa Auto Insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. Because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaas commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. Begin your legacy, get an Auto Insurance quote. Usaa. We know what it means to serve. As we get closer and closer to the end of the year a lot of things being written about how the europeans held it together when a lot of people did not believe they could. A lot of people, american hedge funds made an awful lot of money betting with the european governments. That is for sure. Well see the trade in europe in a moment. It is interesting on both sides of the atlantic with the fiscal cliff or with the italian election situation you have the potential for political turmoil yet the markets seem quite confident on both sides of the atlantic. For example italy managed to auction some debt today, the longer end of the market. And there was no great move. Can we have a look at that . There was no great move of the tenyear yield as a result. Maybe well come back in a moment. Lets just focus on the close out. The european markets are closing now. It is negative territory as you can see. The fiscal cliff of course plays a part in that taking some of those in many senses you could call it profit taking not in the case of spain where you see a major underperformance. Let me say the german finance minister suggested he thought the worst of the eurozone crisis is now past. He said the government in athens knows it cannot financially over burden the rest of the eurozone countries and is acting as it should. He was optimistic on france as well despite the fact the data is indicating well still get a contraction in the Third Quarter, for most of the eurozone. Germanys economic position is arguably deteriorating but still schauble there is relatively optimistic that the crisis is over. In the meantime what is also happening is this money is beginning to flow into, from the Public Safety net to support the banks so you have the recapitalization of the banks but that isnt of course good news for everybody in the case of the ipo from last year you have 53,000 small shareholders there effectively having their positions in the debt smashed against the whole. Theyve been selling out again today to try and retrieve what they can because it is in the negative equity and arguably theyll get nothing as we go through the motions further down the line. It lost another 25 of what is left of the market capitalization today. A number of the other Spanish Banks are also in negative territory and some of the spanish big industrials are also down today. Under performance on madrid. Just got to mention where we are on the greek banks. They are now going through a position where the central bank is saying we think they need 27, 28 billion euros. The question is will these big four remain in state hands or will they be effectively nationalized . That depends on whether private investors come through and buy 10 or more of the stock. That still has to play out. As i mentioned this is the last day of trade for many markets in europe, germany, switzerland, italy, denmark, finland, norway, sweden, and austria. As we say to the germans, lets just bask in the performance of the german stock market so far this year. The yellow line is the top 50 blue chips in europe. The turquoise line is the s p 500. Both of those are up about 12 , 13 . The german stock market, the dax 30, closes out at twice that gain for the year. A gain of 29 . Back to you. Love to have their market and their unemployment figures. What a year its been for that economy. Thanks, simon. Lets get to Bertha Coombs at the nymex and the latest moves over the energy complex. Reporter following that energy report, carl, weve seen a bit of a pullback across the oil and products at this hour. A much smaller drawdown with crude stocks about a half million just over a half Million Barrels. The expectation had been 2 million and the expectation was a buildup where nymex crude is delivered in cushing, oklahoma, up more than 2 Million Barrels last week to a record 49 million in storage. Thats because that production coming out of shale particularly in north carolina, north dakota rather, is continuing to rise even as the Pipeline Capacity is not keeping up. There are a number of projects expected to come online this year. Seaway pipeline is already online expected to increase capacity after the new year. Nonetheless the production continues to rise. Gasoline stockpiles also rose quite a bit more than expected. Nearly 4 Million Barrels the estimate had been for a rise of about 2 Million Barrels or so. The only thing right now that is holding up higher is natural gas and that is because of the weather, with cold weather continuing to be predicted at least near this weekend. Carl, we also have very interesting forecasts for next week. We expect to see temperatures rise at least here in the new york area when natural gas traderer saying it is up and down depending on the forecast these days. Thank you very much. Mary thompson is here at the floor watching what is moving at the big board. As they say, erase some of those losses, mary, not all of them. [ stand by audio difficulty ] she is right across the room. Got to get the mike to work. Well go meantime to john harwood. The president , i think it is a package here, talking about the hopes of avoiding the fiscal cliff but what is on the agenda after the first of the year. John harwood takes a look at some of the predictions for the white house in 2013. President obamas Reelection Campaign was long on effective arguments but short on details of exactly what he will do after his secondterm inaugural parade takes place on pennsylvania avenue. Suddenly, three big priorities have come into focus. Tax reform, immigration, and gun control. Tax reform is driven by the fiscal cliff debate. It is the only way to maximize revenue while minimizing tax rate increases. But this white house has always been skeptical tax reform could become a reality given support for popular loopholes so count this obama goal unlikely to happen. Comprehensive Immigration Reform took a back seat in president obamas first term. But after hispanic voters helped him win a second one, he cant avoid it now. Republicans know fighting the issue could bury them in future elections. Its likely to happen. And the School Massacre in connecticut is now elevated gun control. Democrats had been steering away from the issue out of political fear. Connecticut changed the equation and the president will offer proposals in his state of the union. Hell face strong opposition from republicans and the gun lobby. That means bet on some action but not the sort of restrictions democratic liberals prefer. Our thanks to john harwood. Lets try to go back to Mary Thompson and see what is moving at the new york stock exchange. Well, things are moving and my mike is finally working. As i mentioned earlier or was trying to mention, the dow had briefly dipped below 13,000. It is off the lows of the day. But again, wall street continues to keep watch on wall street or washington. Most specifically the 3 00 meeting between the president and the leaders of congress. Volumes today as you might expect, this is the second to last trading day of the new year, volumes are low. In fact, theyre tracking below yesterdays levels, which were also very weak. As it stands right now, the major indices, the dow, s p, and the nasdaq, are ontrack for their worst Weekly Performance in six weeks and the primary reason for that is that the markets this week really started to believe that we could go over the fiscal cliff and so that has resulted in five Straight Days, what would be five Straight Days of declines for the s p 500. Lets take a look at the sectors that are moving today on a down day on wall street. Energy, materials, telecom, industrials. Basically the risk on trade is definitely off today. We did see the utility sector actually briefly move into the green before pulling back earlier in todays session. Home builders, too. We did get good news on the housing market. Something we had seen for the last year. This time it was pending home sales. They had a healthy month over month increase, a healthy year over year increase, but the housing index is a little bit weaker. One of the reasons traders say is as we go into 2013 should we go over the fiscal cliff that is of course going to impact the economy and this could also put a damper on one of the bright spots in the economy in 2012 that being the housing market. So that is something people are watching. Another area that was a bright spot in 2012 was the auto industry. Auto sales are expected to be at their best levels since 2007 on an annual basis for this year and as we head into the new year again were seeing a pullback again because of concerns should we go over the fiscal cliff well have a negative impact of course on the economy, a negative impact on consumer spending, and of course a negative impact on auto sales which have been very healthy in 2012. A couple individual stocks were keeping an eye on, we mentioned barnes noble earlier benefiting from the news pearson is making an investment into its nook media. But also the company i want to point out in an s. E. C. Filing said that holiday sales were tracking below its earlier estimates and that its results for nook for 2013 were likely to come in below earlier forecasts. Nevertheless, its holding on a nice gain on the news of that 80 million plus investment by pearson into nook media. Then magnum hunter. This company was saying that the results from a number of wells that it has drilled in south texas have actually been better than expected. That is causing management and the board maybe to reconsider selling these properties that stock up on the news but the markets overall down. The nasdaq, s p, and the dow off in todays trade. Carl, back to you. Thank you so much, Mary Thompson. There are some reports that milk prices could hit 8 next year but is the socalled milk cliff a reality . Well get the story from some of the trading pits when we come back. Still ahead the business of holiday returns. How much it costs retailers, what exactly are people returning this season . Why this year could be a record year for returns. Squawk on the street returns. To the best vacation spot on earth. all the gulf it doesnt matter which of our great states folks visit. Mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, theyre gonna love it. Shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. Thanks, karen. 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Coming up next on the Halftime Report edging ever so closer to the cliff. The very latest from d. C. And the best ways to protect your money. And our guest on which big tech names she thinks will win the war in mobile next year. Is bank of americas rally running out of steam . What you should do with this years best performing blue chip stock. Well see you in about 15. All right. Thanks so much for that. Not just a fiscal cliff weve been talking about. The milk cliff that could come on january first. Some reports say loss in government funding to Agriculture Programs would send milk prices to 8 a gallon. Is the milk cliff for real . Is that even possible . Brian rice is the owner of rice dairy and joins us from the cme. Good morning to you. Good morning, carl. Im hoping you could explain this to people who have no idea this is taking place. Is this all about congress not having time to deal with the farm bill before the end of the year . It is. They had plenty of time to deal with it before but theyve left themselves like other situations up to here. Okay. So obviously legislatively that is a problem. How much could milk potentially rise . Do you think this 8 a gallon thing is a little unlikely . I think it is very unlikely, carl. There is some likelihood. There is a political element to it which makes it unknown. What that, odds are, is very low. As a for instance, our futures markets, our cash markets are not reacting to this. But the Options Markets are starting to behave weird and have over the last week. Youre starting to see people buy disaster insurance in the event this did happen. This will affect grains and so forth, a whole swath of commodities. I guess the reason milk is getting so much attention is it is obviously produced year round. There is no season or harvest for milk or no planning season. Right. Itll be the canary in the coal mine, right . It would be. A good point. It is costly to produce and the impacts would be more immediate than with grains or other commodities affected by this farm bill act. Whether its 8 or 3 or whatever the increase in price is, would we see it immediately or would it creep up on us over time . I think it would creep up over time. Again, i think it is highly unlikely. Ill even say 1 as just a really rough guess and what other industry folks are saying as far as their guess goes. So highly unlikely again. If it did, it would be a creep. There would be some discretion at the secretary of agriculture. He would not have to implement this immediately. He could initiate a process, a rule making process that would go into effect, a discovery process that he theoretically could drag out for months or even years. Yeah. It also brings to mind the fact that Dairy Farmers in general have had what some have called a brutal year. The drought was obviously hard on everyone. But dairy included. One quote from the journal the other day, if this doesnt turn around we wont have a dairy industry as we think of it in the United States. Is that over stating it . It is. For sure it is over stating it. There is no doubt that, you know, like any industry, things shift quickly and for those that are not havent managed their risk or havent been able to manage their risk the right way the Market Forces can be unkind. It is my understanding if it is not dealt with policy reverts to the way it was back in 1949. Is that true . Yeah. It is. Obviously dairy farming was a whole lot different back then than it is now. It is. One of the greatest anecdotes out of the story that ive heard is it quantifies the price of a mule for a dairy farm based on the 1949 rule which ive been on a lot of dairy farms. There are no mules anymore. Yeah. Brian, lets hope there is at least a milk fix in whatever kind of deal they can cobble together in washington. Thanks for your insight. Thanks, carl. 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Welcome back to squawk on the street. A little bit of breaking news here regarding a potential strike at the ports. The parties have reached an agreement here. This is according to the Deputy Director for mediation services. It looks like it is going to be an additional extension of 30 days to work on some of the issues that theyre dealing with. The container royalty payment was really the issue at stake. That has been agreed upon in principle by the parties subject to achieving an overall collective bargaining agreement. It looks like well have a 30day extension creating a situation where we do not have a walkout tomorrow night. It looks like the cliff were talking about, the container cliff is going to be averted at least for the time being. Carl . Thanks for that. Christmas may be over but retailers are staying busy with gift cards, returns, and exchanges. Jane wells joins us with more on that. Hi, carl. They are just about to open the stores here at north ridge fashion center. Well start to see this mob weve seen all week coming in and do their returns and maybe some exchanges. Returns are growing every year in part because overall sales are growing but also because of the huge surge in online selling. Retailers also want to build loyalty so they are making it ever easier to return merchandise. What happens to it after that . Liquidity Services Says holiday returns will jump 37 this year to a record 63 billion. It works with major retail eers like walmart to process that and often resell it but it has to be careful about that. We have a broad range of apparel retailers and for them it is very important that we protect the brand so well move the products from a variety of retail clients around market places and in some cases export them to other parts of the world. While apparel is a big returned item, he says the number one return category is consumer electronics. That 20 of those gifts will be brought back. Retailers still keep their profits if there is an exchange but it is not such a good week for retail workers. Here are my favorite tweets from some of them that i found on twitter today. We have, quote, returns and gift cards, returns and gift cards. The worst days for retail. Everyone stay home today. From tara dublin rocks, returns kill commissions. Good point. So many returns and since it is not christmas people are really mean again. If someone returns one more thing i might lose it. Or tries on five things and buys none. I can only imagine im going to avoid maggie boo bear today. Puts a human face on that business. Tell you that, jane. Great stuff. Thank you very much. Jane wells in los angeles. Dow is down about 67 points here. For more on the markets and the effects of the cliff or the lack of one potentially, our guest from Meridian Equity Partners joins us from post 9 one last time. So, clearly, there is a negative bias to this meeting today. It seems like traders dont want to make that firm of a bet on it. What is your read . They are certainly not going out on any limbs. We got this meeting this afternoon. There is a little bit of a hope there. Maybe a hail mary pacss. We also have the meeting on sunday, sunday night when these guys will try to get to work which is very hard for them these days. Yes. I think traders are just so cautious. Dont forget this is amt tax thing that a lot of people havent paid attention to and now it is getting very interesting and is scaring the Retail Investors right now. Theyre starting to be worried. Obviously weve had a series of negative days. Holding 13,000. Is the strategy to, i mean, barring any news today out of this meeting, is the strategy to go long into the weekend or not . I would think not. Now, i mean, youll see some headlines so the market will move again today. Right now the market is kind of respecting the levels it is supposed to be at staying below 1416, above 1404 in the s p 500 that is so the market is really being tame right now. You arent seeing anything crazy. As we get near 4 00, if some kind of headline comes out of these meetings if guys Start Talking, then youll see some Market Movement right before the weekend. Yesterday was an interesting lesson because of the news some reported from scott Browns Facebook page, turned out to be obviously not true at least that we know of. Are traders more less trigger happy, more gun shy as a result of some of these recent misses . Traders are skeptical. Yesterday we had senator reid pushing the market down early. As that was happening many traders were saying, well who is going to leak something later to pop the market back up . We know these guys are going to do it. That is exactly how the market behaved. It is just so not even surprising how predictable it is that one guy is going to push the market this way and then something will come out later to push the market the other way. Weve had some this morning say any comment by a politician is bearish. I wond fer that is true coming out of this gridlock. That is certainly not true. These guys can certainly see something positive if its what they feel or what they think or if we believe them when they speak. So weve seen multiple politicians every day say things to push the market one way or another. Weve had rallies based on what they say or based on the mere idea there is going to be a meeting with an idea that something will be presented that might be agreeable to both sides even if its just an extension. Because lets face it. Every time europe kicks a can down the road the markets take that as a positive at least for the short term. Sure. Levels you want to watch then. What do we have to respect . You have to respect 1416 and 1422. This 1409, keeps hanging around, kind of your pivot point. Below that 1404 and 1397. All right. If i dont talk to you before the end of the day have a good weekend. You too. Joining us on what is turning out to be a tension filled day. Meantime, dairy farms and wind farms may be facing their own cliffs. In addition what other cliff are you worried about . Tweet us at squawk street. Well get your responses. There have been some good ones today. In just a minute. Ou wont take. You wont take our future. Aids affects us all. Even babies. Chevron is working to stop mothertochild transmission. Our employees and their families are part of the fight. And were winning. At chevron nigeria, we havent had a reported case in 12 years. Aids is strong. Aids is strong. But we are stronger. And aids. Aids is going to lose. Aids is going to lose. Mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. Over the South Pacific in 1943. I got mine in iraq, 2003. 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