Transcripts For CNBC Squawk On The Street 20130103

Friday. Right now, its time for squawk on the street. Good morning, welcome to squawk on the street, im melissa lee with jim cramer and Brian Sullivan. Carl quintanilla has the day off. What we saw yesterday earthquake the best day for the s p and the nasdaq over a year. Data out to contend with, an adp number in december, jobless claims, may be taking a breather in todays session, the dow looking to lose about 33 at the open. Take a look at the picture in europe. Does also look like europe is taking a breather. Yesterday, it is worth noting the stock indices there hit 17month highs. We are seeing a down day almost across the board a road map, starts with the new years rally, where we go from here. The dow surging more than 300 points, closing at two 12 1 2m highs yesterday. Leadership from technology and financials, a boost today with upgrades. Lots in the coming days. The big jobs report tomorrow. Oh, yeah, the battle over the debt ceiling and spending cuts. Retail doordie, december sales are out. Standouts include costco, nordstrom and the gap. Misses, target and the limited. Starbucks wants to you recycle, selling reusable cups for a bunch the chain announcing its latest location in vietnam. Brian . After a 2 rally yesterday the markets are set to open a bit lower on profit taking. Investors worry the fiscal cliff deal merely a bandaid on the broken leg of deficits and we will have major fights ahead. Dow few. Churg falling. 3. S p,. 8. Hardly a dramatic turn from yesterday. Those adp nba numbers, 53 above the consensus forecast. That was a big number, adp. Huge. Huge. I dont know how much the fiscal cliff discussion cooled the steam but theres a mixed picture, not a negative picture on retail. I thought that many of these companies were going to put discipline, but target was good, not bad and ross stores good and macys not that bad, maybe kohls down. I thought to be coming here and every single one of these retailers would bemoan things. It is business as usual. Not bad. Stocks go up one reason, more buyer than sellers. Filter away all the noise, the reason stocks go up. My question is, and its a good place i guess to ask it, who were the buyers yesterday . Were they individuals coming back in . Were they hedge funds . Were they institutions playing the shortterm momentum . Do we know . I think theres always money coming in the beginning of the year, contributions to be made, and i think a lot of sellers a remorse, people that sold stocks, they have been sold down relentlessly. Lets not forget, people who genuinely felt that things were going to go totally awry over the weekend, nothing would happen and get a great opportunity to buy much lower, didnt happen. They came in. I dont like to buy up 2 or 3 . It has not worked in 33 years. For me, always one or two exceptions. I dont think this is an exception. The way the rally played out yesterday was everything you could hope nor, started out strong, pulled back off the highs but finished very strong. We had some decent volumes and leadership from the groups that led us higher in 2012. Wasnt a rotation. People saying, you know what i still believe in the financials, i still believe in technology and going to after 2013 with those sectors overweight. As for your question, i dont know if we will know that answer in terms of the mix of the institutional versus the Retail Investor at the end of the day. I dont think we can have that break down. Maybe find out in the next few days. Yeah. Yeah. I dont think it is such a great idea to come in until we know more about how companies are doing. We have earnings next week. I dont think earnings will be that great. Be aware, you have to have a level of confidence if you are buying here that can be you can not be shaken out. If you are buying right here, by what will probably be just some okay quarters. Im going to take a page from our good friend herb greenbergs playbook and hopefully he is watching, i will taken a opportunity to praise and bash him at the same time. Praise him because he tends to be right about a lot of things, except jcp, he owes me dinner on that yes, he does. Whaefrnlts does say, true this quarter this is the most important he were,s season, you know, of the year. This might be because of the guidance for the full year that we hopefully will hear from major companies. What are they expecting for fullyear 2013 . I guess so would you really take take the guidance at face value, a guidance given in january of 2013 for the full year january 2013 when we still have the southwester to deal with . I hear what you are saying but its all we got. We dont have anything else. Wasnt herb tweeting about cold weather today . I thought you were gonna to once it goes under 65. I was trying to fathom that tweet. Waiting for a herbalife tweet, but instead got herb. We louvre, herb. Finally, he is right. Finally, a broken clock, brian. Finally. The feet pajama thing he is doing that is fine, too. In term of the various things investors to deal with on earnings, two important numbers on job, adp saying companies in the u. S. Added 215,000 workers in december, more than predicted. The increase is the largest, in fact, since february, jobless claims rising to a seasonally adjusted 372,000, but the data continue to be distorted by the holidays, this is ahead of tomorrows big report from the labor department. And i think a lot of investors might be looking that the report a little more carefully simply because last fed meeting, they are pegging their Interest Rate strategy to the number, to the rates number. The fed is we have been saying, look, look, 6 1 2 unemployment, we may never get to there. The fed wants very much to stay loose. I really wonder where the bonds would be in going to this debt ceiling discussion, possible default, if the fed werent in there buying it. Which is sort of our comment yesterday about the bond u nix, as im calling them, they dont have that opposing force anymore in the economy to right the ship, if you will. I guess if i want to say the bad news is good news scenario, youre right about the fed because if tomorrows number comes in hugely positive and we keep inching down, at some point, the market will make that Seismic Shift to anticipating higher rates, perhaps seen than mid2015. Thats what i think. Why this might be the most important jobs report. The most important earnings season and most important squawk on the street. I remember the old days, come in and alcoa and reynolds bad. Femmes dodge, excuse me for dating myself, they would come in and you would think, well this is going to be the big cyclical rally, Fourth Quarter, everyone excited, bulled up about them, and slashed numbers, slashed number also you can would just be sit there used to go to disney world every year my kids, on that pay phone near its a small world after all. Its a small stock market after all. Just cutting numbers. I want to be braced for that i want to be braced for number cuts. They might be coming. Tomorrow is the big december jobs report so that means another opportunity for you to nail the number. So tweet us. People on the slow not qualified to join in. Is that what i thought with the booyah. Tweet us the plea dictions for the nonfarm payrolls number, at squawk street. The number, , the number, this months prize is this thing that jim is signing right now. Wow. Give me that. All my love, carl quinn tin nil la, my home phone number. Sign is it with a k. Here is my cell phone, please sex me. Im not going to put that in there jesus. What are you saying . Hopped up on Cold Medicine. Could i not sleep last night. Office complete wreck. My head feels like this is a notebook, by the way, one minute before the friday release of 8 30 eastern time for all the rules. Stocks at cnbc. Com. Not competing against any of us, not that we have insight, except for jim. None whatsoever. He has signed this thing and all going to sign it by the way, including Rick Santelli out in chicago. Worth entering for. All right. Retailers reporting a mixed bag of december sales figures today after a rough Holiday Season. Costco standing out with numbers atop expectation, reporting a 9 increase in sales. Gap and macys topping estimates, target came in flat, we can debate that. Limited brands well below expectation. You said target wasnt as bad as some people are saying it is this morning. Yesterday i said the street was thinking target and ross stores would be bad. They turned out to be not as bad. They go higher. Gap was actually very good. The Dollar Stores remain under pressure and there is, to me, margin pressure in that part of the industry. I wonder whether the payroll tax will not help them, the Dollar Stores, walmart very aggressive. The idea a lot of these companies should to stop reporting monthly numbers, it is a hedge fund ritual to trade them in and out. Family dollars earnings not that good. If you were the company, would not want to report the numbers. They should stop doing t. An investors, a great read. Macys whats troubling about macys it is a perennial favorite among wall street analysts, always a favorite, execute very well, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They missed, took down Fourth Quarter. Saying their forecast for samestore sales for the Fourth Quarter also fall below expectations. What happened here . It seems like there may be a shakeout going on in terms of retail favorites. Could the Department Stores look weaker. We had a lot of warm weather. Also the terrible tragedy, sandy hook did i think crimp holiday sales. Lets not forget macys another one people thought it would miss and it didnt miss. There was an expectation that things would be bad, you will have some of these stocks popping. Yesterday, by the way, costco people thought would be good. Cost coe not popping. The quarter is the best way to grade a ceo and company, retailers put a gun to their heads with these monthly numbers. I dont blame walmart one bit for trying to get out of that game t is not an easy game to play. Gap, good acquisition, intermix, raising the level of what they want do gaps doing so many right things. I just turnaround only took a decade. Rein wasnt built in a day partner. Unit thing, going with your not forget the coast of jeggings past, right . Supposed to your kids are older than mine, mine is 9, the difference in the performance companiless i would perceive to be similar, all due respect, aeropostale and abercrombie fitch, from my untrained heathen eye look similar in terms of the product mix, you luke at results, they are very, very different. I guess thats where the operation, where management matters. I got a Gift Certificate for made well, a j crew outfit, my daughter says made well, nobody uses. Made billion . A few months later, she wanted to work at made well. In terms of Limited Brands quickly, bath and body works, very strong, weakness at victorias secret, comps very tough. Also something to keep in mind with a lot of these retailers, last years numbers pretty good. Comparing against tough conversation. Last december was up 11 . Victoria secret. So no surprise, very tough to lack those conversation. Pay attention month over month, quarter over quarter rather than yearoveryear. At least you didnt go talking about buying something. The track you are on, Cold Medicine wise you reveal you didnt shop there this quarter and thats what changed the numbers. I didnt shop there this quarter, nothing at victorias secret on offer for me. Thank you for just being out there do not make my size, a quadruple xl. Went back into it again p see if he would grab it, you know . What an image, im trying to thank you. As soon as it came in. Up next, starbucks reduce trash and how it could save you money u and Gary Kaminsky is back. What is a prominent Bond Investors saying about the debt ceiling today . Another look at futures again, taking a breather off of yesterdays big rally, the s p looking to back off by 1. 25 points. Stay tuned. [ male announcer ] how do you trade . With scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. Fully customize it for your trading process from thought to trade, on every screen. And all in real time. 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I have one thats ceramic that Martha Stewart gave me and i have not been using it, maybe this will be a change for me. Will it help sales . Not going to impact eps. I would think soon. More importantly, coffee and the price of coffee. Did you know could have if i was the worstperforming commodity last year . Arabic ka down, robust toe down. A reduction in the beans but no reduction in the coffee store at starbucks. I use the 60 price target jim crimer on twitter. Oh, 60 bucks. Thats nice. Lets move on here, what goes together than spam and Peanut Butter . Everything. Its true. Hormel says it will buy the skippy Peanut Butter business from unilever for 700 million. Skippy ranks as the leading brand in china and sold in 30 other countries and five continent he is. Hormel expects skippy to modestly add to its 2013 earnings. The backdrop is last quarter, hormel posted weakerthanexpected earnings. Maybe this will turn it around. I think b and g foods, heaping skippy would get that, b and g bought cats and dogs from own lea unilever. The Peanut Butter business is good, not great r i remember two years ago, jim seine national, former ceo at costco, a dissas route crop, a little bit of you what i regard commodity worry with hormel beyond just beef. Who are smell well run, a very long, established dividend policy and positive for them. Did you know Peanut Butter around gelly is the number two sandwich in the United States behind ham . Who are me, make other africaned ham like product. After thermonuclear war, there will be roaches and there will be spam. Is there is a small biofuel aspect to rendering, rendering the fats, you can burn fat and you get a tax credit. Thank you congress. I learn every morning from you. And also at 2 00. Thank you for the tease. Appreciate that 2 a. M. , you mean. How can you keep the new year rally going in your port folio . 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Coming up, a huge day yesterday, 6 1 2 minutes away before the second opening bell of the year. Begin with a fruit cup, apple, a lot of people love to trade, a rough couple of months. What are we hearing . I think very, very good at bernstein, been on street signs, tony is saying stop trading it. Going to be choppy but over the long term, going to go up. He has a terrific line here, transition from a hyper growth stock wont be easy and has been reflected by the recent swoon in apple shares some he is saying this whole thing is the transition, trying to figure out how long he can grow over time. Not saying dont buy it saying dont trade it . Dont trade t he thinks you should own it, right . Right. What happens is a lot of people whipsawed by apple. I think he is addressing it, saying this is a company he still likes, still outperform, keep the target price 750. Obviously, target price 750, doesnt want you out of it but recognizes, look, its going to be up and down, up and down, stay the course. Blast yourself to the apple mast. Citigroup a dual upgrade irk not the biggest sell side firms. We dont talk about that enough there are jmp likes citi. We remember the old days much, much higher, divide by ten year. These are stocks tough make. Come in today the wrong employment number and earnings, im arguing for caution in the bank group, really hot in the Fourth Quarter. I do like the group, no reason to pay out. Move on to health care, easy to forget that United Health group is a member of the dow. Dow jones average. Unh and competitor, wlp, taken down by Deutsche Bank today. Remember when these were darlings . People couldnt get enough United Health . These are employment plays. I have to tell you while i like them, you think the job growth is not going to be great, we dont know, a lot of uncertainty, solve one part of the equation with the taxes, you got to stay away from United Health. These are jobs stories, your view . Although someone says automatic data is good today. We saw good job numbersle. When i see the numbers, people taking these stocks down, thats about job growth, its not about obama care. Jc penney . Deutsche bank says dont like it. I bought a hat there a couple weeks ago but i lost the hat. Help jim find his hat. Which chain stores will be the biggest gainers today now that the december Sales Numbers are out . Thats your question. Stick around for the answer. And one day after jim said ford could be the s ps best performing stock of this year, all right automakers get a lift from december seams . Those numbers also due out all day long. A lot to do coming off a huge run yesterday. Dont you go anywhere. 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We know the thoughts, too all that data how you make money in stocks over the long term and dont quote me on the exact number, Something Like one quarter of all lifetime gains come in 90 trading days over 30 years, right . In other words, if you are out of the market at the wrong time, you miss one or two days, its gonna skew your longterm returns forever. The great peter lynch, magellan, always been his thesis, he said people want toly if the want to flit in and out, he said the only way to get the compound dividend it is, it was too hard. He was the mast per and he couldnt do it who else . Pmi, the best rating in a while. The euro weakening against the u. S. Dollar, watch thanksgiving yesterday, continues to trend today. There is a bid to safety in todays session. I hate to use that phrase you to put it simply, the safe havens out there as we are staring down the barrel dealing with the debt ceiling and spending cuts. I thought they would have a tailwind rather than a headwind on currency. Not in sync with a bullish picture, got to understand that one of the great reasons we have been able to have a good run, the dollar getting weaker. And also, unless people are short today, i know people are short, nordstroms very heavily, short target, short gap, that is the only thing really going up. The mean time, i keep pointing out these Dollar Stores, they are horrendous today. Family dollar really terrible. Family dollar down 12 . You have nordstrom going higher, Family Dollar going lower, people felt that maybe the Dollar Stores would catch a bid and nordstrom would have weakness because of the highend consumer being worried that clearly has not been the case. We are seeing some strength in the Home Builders today, but financials, we mentioned analysts coming out, particularly citigroup, on citigroup, trading down a quarter of a percent. But stern agee was interesting because he says that mike core vath is a game changer. He took office three moment ago at this point. The stock has rallied 20 since then . He is undoing a lot what Vikram Pandit wanted to do. I think it is an undervalued. I think the group is very undervalued. What is citigroup . Is it a Mortgage Company . A commercial bank . I think it wants to be a commercial bank. Wells fargo, they want to be a lot of things but the heart of it they are a Mortgage Company and a bank. Im talking about lending money, making Net Interest Margin and getting back. Still trying to figure out what citigroup is very difficult situation to figure out. They try to make it the International Emerging market bank, changing that view. Bank of america, brian moynihan, positive saying we are going to start lending. They have been lending, but turn on the spigots. Be careful with that. Bottom of your screen, ford sales, december sales, better than expected, 1. 9 versus 1. 6 . That goes in line to with what you are predicting in 2013. Being able to cut back the cost in europe, latin america, asia turning around, doesnt hurt. We were up so many points in the last couple of days you dont get really down if we come in a little but remember, there are earnings coming out and there was a lot of worry about fiscal cliff going in. We still havent resolved the spending side one trying not to be myopic and look at just washington but i know the companies are very concerned. They will talk about that on their conference calls. I wish they wouldnt. But they will. Barns and enable samestore sales, the highlight here is that nook sales for the nineweek period ending on saturday were down 13 . Digital content sales were up. But device volumes were down. So, if they cant gain any traction on device volumes during the holiday period, you kind of wonder when people are going to buy these things. Amazon looks like its the winner here. Ive got to tell you you amazon, when i look at whats going on with some of these highend retailer, amazon not up today. Amazon has won that war, i guess. A lot of Companies Want to be in nook and a superior device, often does not matter. People at home say nook, i love it, buy barns and knownle, doesnt translate into better stock performance. Phil lebeau live with the fords numbers. The street asked for gain of 1. 6 . Most of that coming in the areas where we expected some strength. Whats really going to be interesting today, not only ford but all the automakers, look what happens with pickup truck sales, seeing steady growth in that area. In particular, when gm reports at the top of this hour, remember, got a huge backlog of pickup trucks. How much of that were they able to clear out and how much are we seeing organic growth within demand for pickup trucks. About an hour ago, we had chrysler reporting betterthanexpected numbers as well. You have got ford better than expected, chrysler at 10. 4 increase versus 7. 3 being the estimate. Are we setting ourselves up to see december come in as the best month in terms of a sales rate this year . November is the previous best coming in at just under 15. 5 million. Many are saying we are probably going to be in the 15. 3 range. Dont be surprised if we do top that number, given that we are starting to see betterthanexpected numbers so far today. Guys . So bullish. So bullish. Autos good. Listen, you guys note markets, i know cars, right . Cars a big part of my life, a longtime corn, car . What is it you dont know . Ford, what they have done, i was looking last night actually, list the 100 bestlooking cars of all time, one guys opinion insider, the fusion, the new ford fusion was on there. Really . The focus on many best of list. Ford has probably done a better job than any Major Company at changing the image of that organization. I just mean that from a drivers perspective. I recommended last night on mad money, exactly, this and by the way, the four the 150, 250, 350 never lost their luster ever. Bought a 350 used, now 2011, spectacular deal, worked with my friend, michael haley, helps run an inn that i own in summit and i just think the brands here are great i also think that al mulally determined to get the stock. Mulally cashed in the options, took a lot off the table, but i think you are right. Reinventing ford still. I think the sad part about the auto business, we focus so much the last few years on debt and health care around unions and bailouts. At the end of the day, having a product that incites passion and emotion when you look at it, that its visually stunning to you, thats all that matters. Race cars. And you race cars . I race a fordpowered car. No connection, just saying as an individual, done a great job. The cars look good. Our thanks to phil lebeau, certainly a lot of other auto Sales Numbers coming out. Bring them to you when we have them and phils interviews with executives for the month of december. Check in with bob pisani here on the floor with what is moving. Like the celebrity toiv market technicians all here today. Looking around, waving to some of these guys, i have known for the last several years and nice to see them. Of course, technicals have become more important than ever as more people get involved in the market and become uncertain on what they should be doing. Technicals offer a very clear in and very clear out for a lot of people. Lets talk about whats going on. Have you noticed that rally yesterday, didnt take long for that to end, he did it . Now everybody trying to figure out about the continuing minifiscal cliff, some people are calling t can we agree on one thing . Can we get rid of the phrase fiscal cliff . Trying to find a different one. So 2012. Bank of america, merrill lynch, ethan harris team, they are calling it the three gorges. The sequester, the debt ceiling and the resolution around the fiscal 2013 budget. I dont have a better phrase. Three gorges, go with that now. The retailers, pleasantly surprised with what i saw for the retailers, caveat. December samestore sales were up 4. 8 . That was before expectations, 3. 4 and remember, the numbers have been coming down in the last few weeks. I was surprised more than half beat the numbers, that was nice. Great numbers overall. Gap, ross stores, tjx, costco, nordstrom and macys, all beat. Here is the problem here, the storms were really a problem. Big midwest storms, storms in the northeast a after christmas a problem, the fiscal cliff talk held retailback. I count seven companies that guided lower, two guided higher. I think the reason was bad. We saw stern agee, apm raising bernstein, a couple of them as well. Whats hand, banks are the back door play for the housing recovery but now trying to expand that argument, some of the analysts, say banks are the back door play for an improving economy and thats where i start getting a little jittery, talking about sub 2 gdp growth and playing an improving economy. They also are arguing that consumer is going to be improving overall and reaching the end of the deleveraging process that began in 2008. Maybe. But remember, 2 additional tax these consumers are paying in the form of the payroll tax is going to be a drug on Consumer Spending and problem for the bank. Talk about other things, Interest Rates might be rising. That would definitely help a steeper yield curve. Again, a lot of these are assumptions still. I would bet that sub 2 gdp the tougher road to hoe for the banks, since many of them run nicely. Bank of america 100 gain in 2012. A tough one to get through in 2013. Highend retailer not surprise me. People selling the stock, not surprise me if a hall a very good Holiday Season if nordstroms did, macys did, costco did. Rick santelli at the cme group in chicago. Good morning, rick. Good morning. We know we had two bits of data out today, one adp, better than expected, talk on the Santelli Exchange around 10 50. The other bit of data, a bit of a rise on initial jobless claims. With the Holiday Season affecting both and the temporary workers side, fascinating to reconcile these, the way the tenyear did it boom, adp yield moved up, on the jobs, it moved down on initial jobless claims. So now, we are one basis point below the 184 sell yesterday. Open the chart up to may 1st you can pick it out, hovering at the highest yield close since midseptember but really, very close. Should we get close to 190 or so to comp it all the way back to may. Now, all about fx this is fascinating. Look at a twoday chart of the euro versus the dollar. Wow. The euro has gone from is 133 to 131 a big move. Now, look at the dollar yen. Granted. Its lost some ground. Still at really lofty levels. Is it the euro or the yen . Lets explain that look at the twoday the euro versus the yen. Interesting. That is giving up ground. Look at the canada versus the yes. The canada is really holding up well. After looking at all the cross trades, i would think that the euro is really the catalyst for some of the lower trade, even though we all know that the yen is on a path most likely to lose ground against most of the major currencies. Brian sullivan, the Mario Andretti of street signs and squawk on the street, back to you. Youre way too kind, rick, but i will take it. Thank you very much. Lets check out the latest moves in energy and metals and go down to Sharon Epperson at the nymex. How are things looking, sharon . Looks like we are seeing a bit of a pull back acrosstheboard in the commodities sector after yesterdays sharp rally, gold hate twoweek high we are looking at the aftermath of this, a lot of folks deciding now they put new money to work what are they really going to do for 2013 . You look at the gold price, its hit the lows of the session right around where that major support is, 1675 an ounce. Again, traders are say a break below that will signify perhaps a lot more selling in the gold market. We are also watching oil prices that are still very near multimonth highs, although we have seen a slight pull back there braent crude prices at a two and a half month high and nymex wti at a threemonth high. Natural gas prices, the slide there continues, for three straight session and in fact, yesterdays oneday plunge was the biggest oneday plunge we had seen in three years time when natural gas fell to 3. 05. Now, expecting to see warmer temperatures in the 6 to 10 and 11 to 15day forecast, from the private forecaster, wsi and that storage report on natural gas tomorrow at 10 30 a. M. Eastern time, a day later because of the holiday this week. Also, Oil Inventories out tomorrow at 11 a. M. Melissa, back to you. Thank you, Sharon Epperson. Still ahead, General Motors outs with the numbers. The Vice President of u. S. Sales will join us live right after those numbers are released. And Jeffrey Gundlachs exclusive interview see where he is putting his money in the new year, at 11 40 a. M. Eastern time. Shes still the one for you you know it even after all these years. But your erectile dysfunction you know,that could be a question of blood flow. Cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be Ready Anytime the moments right. You can be more confident in your ability to be ready. 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A few market moves worth noting, we take a breather, we rest after the big twoday rally that we have seen, the Airline Index trading at its highest level since february 2011. The house, highest since december 07 and defense record highs, dfx, a fresh record high. This is the sector in particular that has really defied expectations. Good yielding, very well run companies. At the same time, military sequestration you supposed to be on everybody just going to fire people. Right. Not machines. And on the housing, wow, i mean, this is the rally that defies fiscal cliff, defies government spend. It is about what bernanke has done, low rates and aforward ability and they are still affordable, the rates still low. Spwr, as we go to break, sun power, lazzard, an upgrade today, 11 price target saying a lot of sales visibility. We havent heard that a lot from the solar power names, figure, hey, why not have sunshine after yesterdays rally, look at spwr. 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Ford coming in with strong monthly Sales Numbers, now gms turn. We will bring you those numbers plus a live interview with the top exec at the automaker. The gap beating expectations for monthly samestore sales and entering the luxury market with a new acquisition. Costco and macys beating the street. Tell you whether the stocks can beat winners ahead for your portfolio. Big banks an upgrade from stern ajim we have the analyst behind the move to explain. Look out for starbucks. Actor Patrick Dempsey has his eye on a coffee retailer. We have the details, coming up. General motors out with the december Sales Numbers. Send it out to phil lebeau for details. Phil . Thank you, melissa, the numbers from General Motors, increase of 4. 9 versus the street estimate of an increase of 1. 9 . So, above estimate. Bring in curt mcneil, the vp of u. S. Sales for General Motors joining us from the gm headquarters. Curt, better than expected december, seems not just for you guys but the industry as a whole. Is it possible december will come in for the industry above 15. 5 million and the best month of the year in terms of a sales pace . Yeah happy new year, phil, we are feeling pretty good about what happened in december. We still think its going nobody that 154 to 157 million unit range for the month. We feel very good where we finished up 5 . December always a strong month for the automakers what do you believe is bringing consumers back into the show room now. How much is enthusiasm for the economy slowly improving . How much of this is pentup demand . What do you put your finger on in terms of whats driving the demand right now for auto sales . Well, phil, we think its all of the above. The economic factors are still positive, house, autos have certainly helped lead the charge. December is at this point clay good month for the auto industry. The fact washington made progress toward the end of the month didnt hurt. We feel good about where we finish. Curt, the big issue shall. Go ahead, sir. The big issue for you guys is the supply of fullsize pickup trucks, 139day supply at the end of november, way above what the industry wants to see in general. You have cut that down substantially, bringing it all the way down to 80, basically taking almost two full months off the table. A lot of that is because of the incentives. You have certainly goosed the market in that regard, but do you still need to look at potentially curbing production as you guys are gearing up for this next generation of pickup trucks . We have tried to be transparent on that issue, phil we do have some down time thats, you know, coming into play when we get ready for our new pickups in the second quart ir. If you look, we had basically the same level of incentive spend that we did a year ago. Our transaction prices were actually up. Our best pickup month since september 2008. We feel good where we ended up. You dont think you need to cut production . I want to be clear here . No, sir. No, sir. No. We feel we are very much on plan. Curt mcneil, the vp of u. S. Sales for General Motors joining us first on cnbc from the companys headquarters today. Melissa, one other negotiate the end of the year with volt sales topping 23,000, selling more than 2600 in the month of december. I know a lot of people will sit there and say just 23,000 volts . An improvement compared to where they were a year ago but just to give you some per spec istive on where they are with that particular vehicle is. Phil, before we let you go, think its important to point out the role that auto sales are having in the u. S. Recovery. Xred de Credit Suisse has a lot of coverage. 30 of all Economic Growth was down to consumers buying automotive vehicles. Extraordinary. Absolutely. Only continuing simon. People will sit there and say we had a huge year in autos is that it . No. Look what is expected for next year. Industry will finish seams 14. 5 million. Expected to be 15. 5 million next year, another 1 million will be added into the sales growth in 2013. Wow. All right, phil, thank you. Phil lebeau. You bet. Markets off to a rough start, after being up the past two trading sessions 90 upside days, backtoback ones, account rally continue . Bring in the chief investment strategist with raymond james. Jeff, great to sigh, happy new year to you. Merry new year. Merry new year. Like that explain what an upside day is and why backtoback days are important, in your view. 90 volume upside days are when 90 of the some volume, total volume trade comes in amount upside and backtoback 90 upside volume days are pretty rare event he is. The performance of the stock market following that, about one month later, is higher, 83 of the time. A pretty good start to the new year. You think history will be our guide this time around, considering the debate about southwester and debt ceiling comes in about a month, two months time . With whats important that nobody is really talking about is whats happened the past couple of days is that our government has become a little less dysfunctional. Come on, really sorry. They cant pass the Hurricane Sandy bill that is not functional government. Come on, sir. Really, jeff. Thats the same thing people said when i said i lived inside the beltway and i held onto the naive belief they would come together in the final hour and get us past the ac ka pull cocliff dive. I think you will find the same thing going forward. I think the republicans are going to turn from trying to tear down everything president obamas done and actually try and refocus the discussion and try and shape future outcomes of events. Jeff, youve obviously been around the block before. Let me ask you. When you make these historical comparis comparisons, if youre new to the game, you know go, so much different this time you can the fiscal cliff is important or mario draghi saying he was going to do everything to save the eurozone. These are huge events for market so it kind of distorts the run of the mill pattern of what history tends to teach us. Was it always this way or are we in a different world now . Its probably different at the margin. If you recall backe to the 1974 era, new york city was effectively bankrupt. 1981, 82, Mortgage Rates, 30year Mortgage Rates at 15. 25 . Le rhythm of the market is human nature doesnt change you can the players do, but human nature doesnt change. I think it is a mistake to get too bearish here. People who say fiscal cliff 2. 0, hitting another rough spot thats all hype, you are going to be invested in this market . I have been, continue to be. I continue to think that 2013 is going to extend the economic recovery. You saw the housing figures come out the other day. You see the automobile figures come out today and despite those strong figures, the average life of a car in this country is still 12 years. So where do you want to be in . I think you want to be in technology. I think you want to be in consumer discretionary. I think you want to be in the financials. In fact, i like most of the sectors, except for the consumer staples, because they look expensive to me, and a lot of Portfolio Managers hiding out in them, worried about the fiscal cliff, euro quake, et cetera. Jeff what about the small caps . Brian was making the point that they have done extraordinarily well that we have risen substantially on those because they are, of course, more exposed to u. S. Economy almost exclusively compared to the big caps, which, as we know, trade around the world as a business. This is the start of a new secular bull market earthquake the small and midcaps tend to outperform and i think you should have an overweighting in both those areas. Interesting. Jeff, we are gonna let you go. Thanks for your time. Pleasure. Raymond james. New year. Send it to Michelle Carusocabrera for a market blast. Nyg getting hit, jpmorgan went underweight from newt travel. Worried about the key cash flow drive others of that companys business, a lot more competitionship. A company that tries to commercialalize genetic test, lower by 4. 5 . Mygn. Back to you. Everything, plus a profit of more than 22 billion. For the american people. Thank you, america. Helping people recover and rebuild thats what we do. Now lets bring on tomorrow. And his new boss told him two things cook what you love, and save your money. Joe doesnt know it yet, but hell work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. Hell start investing early, hell find some good people to help guide him, and hell set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isnt rocket science. Its just common sense. From td ameritrade. Yesterday, shares of am rallying, other tech names as wellsome tech the sector to be in for 2013 and will apple still be king . Lead analyst for pc mag mobile and analyst for pc mag. Com and an analyst from piper jaffrey. Thank you for joining us on cnbc. Sasha, let me kick off with you. At the beginning of the year, all things seem possible whiz of these events do you think will move the needle for investors, blackberry 10, apple iphone 6 or the launch of a Samsung Galaxy s 4 . I think if you think about apple changing their iphone cadence potentially from one product a year to two products a year, which is something we might be seeing, that could be the biggest move for investors. If apple speeds up their Product Portfolio to Counter Companies like samsung that will put a rocket engine under apple there. Yes, it will get people to buy these products, gene, but my concern as an invest certificate argument to be made is that after, what six months or so, then thats when you start getting savings in terms of sol automatic from any new products you start shortening these cycles you can wont get that scale that they have had with past products. Gene . A fair concern. If you look at the street estimates for margin, 42 for 2013, 45 for the last cycle. In some ways, guidance about gross mar joins anticipate what you talked about. Apple doesnt quickly obsolete its older products. The slightly older products become what occupies the lower cost slot. By speeding up releases, maintaining the older products in the market and achieving mar jirn on them, just reducing their subsidy. Air. Chiefing margin on them but selling them at a lower cost, the impact net net on margins is lower. Doesnt solve the are margin problem, sasha. 63 upside from here. Does that keep you up at night, gene . Are you kind of like, well, maybe the market turned against me now . Well, when you look at 63 , big gap between then and now, realize that is a big gap. If you look at the numbers and whats coming in 2013 i dont get concerned about that price darket, the reason is this, 20 plus concern Earnings Growth the next years. You have the new tv sometime later this year, positive, too. So, when you think 63 a a big number, but you start stepping through the math, its not that big of a jump. Gene, are you that confident about apple tv, the fullsize television this year . We are pretty confident. I would say that if youre going to put a percentage probability on it, we would say there is an 85 chance it happen by the end of this year, i think its 100 chance it will be in the next two years. This is a function of time this is not an if, this is definitely a win question. You know how people get all excited about apple products and i think this tvs gonna be yet another product that should be positive for the stock. You see, where are you, sasha, on this mythical tv . Btig just put out the top 30 media predictions for the year and it does not believe that apple tv will be launched in 2013 and kind of caught up in the negotiations and technological problems. I mean, do you think it will come through this year . No. I respect a lot of the stuff that james says but he has been predicting this am tv since 2009. And its been mired in the same problem the entire time, which is that apple will only release a tv if it can be an extraordinary user experience, which mean it is has to be input number one. There has to be no cable box, no Cable Company layer, sitting between the tv and the user. And the Cable Companies and the content providers have learned a lot from the experience of itunes them dont want that control taken away from them. So far, thats been an impasse. Gene . We sort of talking about the tv in 2009. We initially said it could be announced at the end of this year in 2013. So just as far as kind of a background there. Second is that the content side isnt the critical part, in our opinion is that that seems to be where a lot of the streets focused on. We think that content is not going to be where the hope of an unbundled channel is but we do think just fixing the basic interface is enough for apple to be have a successful tell vision. One thing is for sure, going to be a fascinating year. Gentlemen, sasha, gene, thank you very much for joining us, happy new year. Happy new year. The car Sales Numbers continue to roll out. Now, toyotas december figures out. Phil lebeau, how are they looking . Brian, the first auto maker to report today below what we were expecting. Toyota reporting an increase in december of 9 for the month of sales. That compares with the street estimate an increase of 13. 1 , well belee what the street was expecting in terms of Monthly Sales from toyota. Guys, if we can, call up a chart of oneyear chart of either ford or General Motors or both of them, because after both Companies Reported betterthanexpected sails for the month of december, their stocks are both nowed a 52week highs, we were talking earlier, heard you guys talking earlier with jim crime ber ford and the other auto makers, now seeing it with gm and ford, 52week highs. Back to you. Phil lebeau, thank you for that. Still ahead it is a new year, means new years resolutions are in full swing as people hit the gym and start their 2013 diet plans. Nutrisystem is looking to help clients drop the pounds so the company can book profits. The ceo will give us her plan of action, straight ahead. 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Request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. Welcome back, Michelle Carusocabrera at the market desk. Retailers, december samestore sales, better than expected for at least some, widespread from the high end, nordstrom, to discounters like ross. Also raising its outlook for the earnings for for the Fourth Quarter, tjx, last months 4 1 2 increase, coming on top of the growth a year earlier, helping to offset the only 1. 6 rise logged for november. Brian, back to you. Thank you very much. Out with the old, in with the new members of the 112th Congress Meeting the last time. 1913th Congress Sworn in later today around noon eastern time. Eamon javers live in washington with the issues the new congress is facial. What isnt it facing . A lot here, welcome to washington for the new class of republican freshmen and democratic freshmen as well. Very Different Congress we have seen in years past, a big group of new folks, look at the 113th congress by the numbers. What you will see is we have got 12 new senators, eight democrats, three republicans and one independent. Thats angus king from the state of maine. 82 new house members 47 democrats, 35 republicans. 20 of the new senators will be women. 81 of the 435 house member he is will be women and filled with familiar and ambitious faces, including two president ial candidateses or possible president ial president ial candidates, in 2016, paul ryan, the budget chairman in the house of representatives and marco rubio, the republican senator from florida both viewed as possible contenders for the gop nomination in 2016. Also, Elizabeth Warren somebody that wall street is going to be keeping a very close eye on, a reformer. She was influential setting up the Consumer Financial protection bureau, somebody to watch as well is tim scott, the first africanamerican republican in the senate in decades. He was appointed by the state of south carolinas governor, nikki hail tloirks take over a senate seat there. Somebody who everyone in the National Media is going to be paying a lot of attention to. When they get here, they are going to have focus on a host of huge issues, include you can the debt ceiling, gun control, immigration, on and on and on. Brian, not going to be easy for these folks. They have got a whole wide range of issues. I see for the first time ever, white men will now be in a minority amongst house democrats. Let me ask you about speaker boehner, because two years ago when he came through as speaker, he was the toast of washington, you know, riding that tea party wave. Now, he seems to be a man very boxed in, not just for the fiscal cliff but the aftermath of the inability to vote on Hurricane Sandy. What future for him . Presumably, he keeps his job. Presumably, he does. The immediate future for him, he faces an election for speaker of the house today. A few rumblings of people unhappen on the republican side with john boehner as their speaker but there are very, very few people in this town who think these going to lose that election later today. He is expected to win and be reinstated as speaker for the 113th congress. You are right. He has had a very tough week. Add very tough battle yesterday with republicans over Hurricane Sandy spending, this whole debt and deficit issue very tough for him as well with these negotiations with the president. We will have to see john boehner in the 113th as well. Eamon, thanks very much, see you soon. Check on the Housing Market now, fiscal cliff fears driving a major jump in sales in manhattan. Diana olick has details. Short supply, i read . Short supply bus no question, simon. This is one of those markets may be giving a big thank you to sales of the fiscal cliff. Sales of coops and condos jump 40 from a year ago. And according to another report today, they havent seen the number of sales in q 4 this high in over 25 years. Again, saying its fears of the fiscal cliff. I got off the phone with Jonathan Miller of Miller Samuels do ho does the yearend report, the jump in sales was a function of proactive Tax Management by property owners. Even though they didnt know what was coming ahead. Now, of course, the seams were largely on the high end, the luxury end of the market, which represents the top 10 of the manhattan market. The average prices mr. Skewed very high there to 1. 3 million dollars. The three bedroom and larger cos on saw a 34 price leap in the average prices. Now, when you look at the median, however, which is half of them sold for higher and half of them sold for lower, you did not see those kind of price gains. This tells you it was the real highend properties that were selling the most on fears of the cliffs. As you said, inventory is very low. Not seen inventories this flow over 12 years that will keep Prices Higher going into 2013 but they are warning that in the first part of the year, you may see a drop in sales and prices because so much demand was pulled forward. Melissa . Diana olick, thank you very much. As you know, tomorrow is the big december jobs report. That means another opportunity for you to nail the number. Tweet us your predictions for the december nonfarm payrolls figure, our handle at squawk street, nail the number. This months prize is pretty amazing. It is. Amazing. Ocd, very amazing. I personally enjoy notebooks but it is a notebook autographed by the squawk on the street team. She means a paper notebook, doesnt mean a computer . Oh, yes e. This notebook here. Oldfashioned notebook. If off stationery feddish, this would get you going. We will all autograph it you have got until one minute before the friday release of 8 30 a. M. To enter. So you can be an honnary signatory. I would rather enter because im not officially a member of squawk on the street. Whatever your number, im one job above your number. There are strict rules. Look at this strict rules. 18 or older, too. Thanks for destroying my dream, simon. My only goal of 2013. Now dead. Nail the number. A lovely book, by the way. Still use paper around pen. I do goldman raised their estimate for the nonfarm payroll to 200,000 from 175 about an hour ago. So, goldman, more optimistic on that number now, maybe you want to use that in your guess sometimetion to win that lovely notebook signed by all schism not forge carls name or signature. That was a bad joke. Pristine still. 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Hormel foods announcing it would buy skippy from unilever for 700 m skippy clocks in the leading brand in china and sold in more than 30 other countries on five continents. Retail samestore sales for december showed mixed bag of results, costco, gap and macys the brightest spots, target and Limited Brands disappointed. Two toprated analysts join us with their insight. Begin with you you ed, your take away on the numbers we have seen so far today. Definitely a mixed holiday. Lots of things at play. Hurricane sandy. Long period between christmas and new years. We think nordstrom is a clear winner this holiday. What was a clear win, ed . We think nordstrom was. Nordstrom . And was that at the expense of, say saks and Neiman Marcus or all three do well . The consumer has lots of challenges, one thing with nordstrom, a very high penetration in california and california seems to be getting better. Give us some of your winners and losers, clear numbers that we have seen so far in december, brian . Yeah, so very disappointing month for most of the mallbased retailers. Trafficville challenging, people shopping online now. Off the mall is where we saw people win. Urban outfitters, off the mall, Urban Outfitters and anthropology concepts driving strong concepts, unique concepts, we think urban the big winner this year. We need when we talk about the highend consumer, its size to say the highend consumer this and that but seem there is a real delineation between which retailers are able to attract consumers, you look at nordstrom, a bright spot, posted good numbers, you guys both like it you luke at coarse, executing, seems to be holding up valuation basis, trading at a high valuation, luke at tiffanys whats wrong with a name like tiffanys . Yeah, i think it all boils down to their vir jewelry business right now. You know, price points below 500 is really where the companys struggling. Thats their highest gross margin. If they cant fix that part of the business, you know, the operating margins you can the longterm cash flow could be somewhat impaired, but i think thats really the big issue now, thats spir racial consumer that was shopping tiffanys Silver Jewelry a couple years ago, they have gone away and just not clear where they are shopping or if they are going to come back. Can i take you back to nordstrom . What could we learn there about what is working, apart from the fact they got a concentration on the west coast, we can extrapolate out to other retailers . Im looking to buy retail for 2013 based on those getting it right and hitting what people want to buy, what does nordstrom tell me . One of the things that nordstrom really focuses on is turning inventory very quickly, bringing in fresh new merchandise. Womens apparel was cited as strength at nordstrom during the month. One of the other name wes look at that did not report this morning was francescas collections, has a similar type look to nordstrom at a much lower price point. Whos going to be a clear loser out there, brian . You said the mallbased retailers, went through a couple of names. I guess you know you dont cover the malls, can we assume the Simon Property groups of the world would also be loser it is traffic was bad and hurt the stores . Well, look, we are several years into the about and c malls struggling, you know, ecommerce up to 10 of most companies, retail sales right now. Outlet shopping obviously has become a huge big trend. So i think the traditional mall, you know, is in multiple years now of the downturn, really the a and bplus volume malls is where the action is. I wouldnt be surprised if you see 300plus malls close. 300 malls close . Yeah, over the next five to ten years, if e commerce and mobile commerce really becomes 20 or 25 of retail, which we think it will be the next ten years, not going to need a lot of these c and d malls a lot of capacity out there. Where do they close . Geographically, where are they most likely to close . I think its pretty broad based. The downturn in florida and california probably had most people spooked, but you could see a broadbased 300 of the worst performing malls some time in the next ten years take a deep look at why they exist. To take it another step if those malls, those lower end malls, weakest performing malls close, what are the retailers most likely to shrink the footprints . You look at names like aeropostale, a very high store count, somebody struggling, like a wet seal, clearly the team players in some of the more marginal malls we think are at some degree of risk, and brians comment, online so important to so many retailers and some havent made the critical investments necessary to drive those businesses. What we need is more halfempty strip malls in this country. Ed and brian, thank you very much. We appreciate it. As we head toward the break, look at where we are on the markets there is some profit taking here almost 500 points on the dow in two section. Yes there is euphoria, all right euphoria continue or was that just a shortterm relief rally . Ahead in the program, bond bubble or no bond bubble . That is Gary Kaminskys question of the day . Who better to ask that of than the bond vigilante Jeffrey Gundlach who will join us ahead in the program. We are back in two this is cnbc. Mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. Over the South Pacific in 1943. 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Mike core bat has been there about three months and the stock has run up about 20 . Why now . Why not before . You may recall, we did downgrade the stock in the late fall essentially the frustration with the progress over the holdings. More importantly, we think this is just the beginning of a number of different repositioning actions that mr. Core bet is going to take the next several morns, which we think will further, you know, help lift the stock over the course of the next six to 12 months it certainly has a lot more room to run from here, in our view. You mentioned the bank regulators, obviously, a lot of investors in this space are looking forwarded to stress tests and ability to return capital important completion of those. Your counterpart at suntrust cut Morgan Stanley to reduce and generally said that theres toofrp expectation behind some of these stress test and the ability to return capital. For the case of citi and jpmorgan specifically, do you think too much baked in by the part of investors, too much in the stocks because theres an anticipation that the buy backs lynn cease or the dividends will increase . I dont think the expectations are too high, particularly with both city and jpmorgan. Its certainly, you niece little bit different, you move acrosstheboard, the Different Companies jpmorgan, the concern over 2012 was the Regulatory Risk and the overhang associated with the cio trading loss back in the spring. We have become more comfortable that risk has subsided going into the new year and in fact, as you look at the cap levels of jpmorgan, we certainly expect them to be able to return excess capital to shareholders through a buy back and dividend increase, nothing as robust as 2012, but a fair amount of capital, which i think will go over well investors. Citigroup, by the same token, very well positioned to finally start to return a more meaningful amount of capital to shareholders, in particular, the restructuring that they Just Announced here a couple week he is ago sets them up very well going into the stress test in march, improving their revenue trajecto trajectory, helping them on the basal 3 front, particularly as the Salomon Smith barney vv close quarter. All is incremental positive for citi and cap return to hit share the First Quarter. Before we let you go, todd, just to put a context on this you write that the average growth you expect or the price targets imply price appreciation of between 13 and 17 during the course of the year, depending on which of the pick it is. This is going to be a very different experience in terms of price action for the banks in 2013 compared to 2012. Why is that . As we approach the end of 2012, we have concerns over the fiscal cliff, volatility day to day as it relates to that issue. Over the next couple of months with dough have the ongoing budget discussions, which we think, again, will create a fair to amount of volatility within the sector. That being said, we are recommending to investors take advantage of that volatility, buy on the dips, accumulate your position, because theres certainly a lot more upside in these names as we go forward. But certainly a strong run but theres more room to go. Todd, last question here, and this struck me as very interesting, within your citi upgrade, you mentioned equity tradings up 15 some that just for citi or expect an acrosstheboard increase in Equities Trading volumes . No i mean, its fairly unique for the Different Companies. Certainly for Fourth Quarter earnings, capital marketsrelated revenues not expected to be anything robust or anything to write home about, quite frankly. But for the most part, each of the companies should be down, lets call it on average roughly 20 quarter on quarter. You remember back to a year ago, it was a pretty dismal year end. So everybody should be up on a Pretty Healthy basis relative to the year ago period. Easy comps. Todd, good to see you. Thank you. Thank you. And now to one of the burning questions of the morning, what does actor Patrick Dempsey want with a Coffee Company . I was just asking myself that. What do they call him, mr. No, dr. Mcdreamy. On greys anatomy. I hear jane wells, maybe she has the answer to that question, what does dr. Mcdreamy want with a coffee chain . Good morning . I tell you, i dont care what he wants, im gonna report on t as shocking as it may sound, simon, not every Coffee Company to come out of seattle has turned out to be a winner. Tullys filed for chapter 11 in october, nearly 4 million in debts. This is for its brick and mortar stores, also agreement with franchisees and coffee sold in grocery chain. Its wholesaler and roasting operations sold to Green Mountain a few years ago. Today, tullys creditors and tc global take bids in an auction. One of those groups is led by him, actor Patrick Dempsey, dr. Mcdreamy from greys anatomy, tells the Seattle Times it is his way of saving 500 jobs and giving back to the emerald city. Dempsey is facing reportedly a half dozen bids, including one from starbucks, which wants to buy half of tullys stores so the company will not confirm to us that it is in todays auction. Tullys, a i cording to the times is in dire need of stopgap financing or it will have to stop operating by january 12th. A bankruptcy hearing is expected to be held the day before. Now the Company Already reached a deal last fall with colorado private equity form koczi part mothers bite company for 1. 5 million in cash and take on 3 million in liabilities. If creditors choose a rival bid, it could force them to pay catch chi a kill fee reportedly for 200,000 and dempseys bid is thought to be more. One last bidder is seattlebased baristas could have fair, Penny Stock Company known for its sexy servers, sort of the hooters of the coffee world. The Company Wants to buy tullys to preserve the brand and jobs in seattle and stays would not mix the two concepts. The auction begins at 9 a. M. Seattle time and not clear, simon, if the winner will be made public today. Back to you. Presumably you will be standing by just in case, jane . I will be. You know, actually, tullys filed to go public in 2008 and then table it had because of the market and it just has not been able to compete in that across the region. If this is an actor trying to leverage the brand or their brand, their fame, this quite often happens, look at Robert Deniro who bought a lot of property in restaurants in downtown tribeca and proceeded to hang around in them, property prices did well, the business went well. Rande gerber with cindy crawford, exactly the same f your Celebrity City strong enough, you can leverage it through these outlets. Especially if your bid is higher than everyone elses as well. Thats true. By the way, you may not know, lets not forget, Patrick Dempsey is a darn good car racer, owns a professional race team, a driver himself, a very high level, the grand rolex series. Makes him what in reaction to this auction . Buy the company, put on your car, called a sponsor, give you money. Why does he makes him fast. Makes it fast, right, more coffee, sharpen your focus. Anyway, going to go to a ray jane, you and i will go forget them, see mcdreamy, his body the race. His body fire suit. Okay. Enough. See him on the freeway. Speaking of coffee, dont forget to tweet us this morning, starbucks wants to you kick your disposable coffee cup habit. Today, the coffee giant will start selling a reusable plastic cup that resembles the paper version 1. Were asking paper. Plastic. Some other trash that needs youll have to go back. Youll have to go back. So were asking, whats some other trash that needs to be cut down and why. Tweet us at squawkstreet. Well air your responses throughout the morning. I can think of so many things. I feel responsible for destroying that read. Its okay. Dont worry. Were just one day away from tomorrows big, some would call it allimportant jobs report after todays better than expected adp number. Jeffries chief economist ward mccarthy will join us live for his expectations still ahead. And it is a new year and those new years resolutions are in full swing for now. Whats that all mean for nutrisystems bottom line . The companys ceo is here to weigh in. As we head to break, heres a look at some of the famous names who have represented nutrisystem throughout the years. Marie osmond. Janet jackson. Dan marino. Simon hobbs. Terry bradshaw simons always been svelte. Were back right after this. S in your car. 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Its not that the bond vigilantes are dead. They have just been wiped out by the laser beams. But they will come back in a more divergent form because there is a lot of potential bond vigilantes out there. Who do you think was the recipients of all of those in flows . Now lets talk about the white house website. I went to the white house website yesterday and it was showing on the screen seven things you need to know about the deal except for theyre not right. We called the white house for a comment. They didnt get back to us. But look at in particular, individuals making more than 250,000 will be asked to pay a little more to help reduce the deficit through a combination of increases tax rates and reduced tax benefits. Well, i dont know, but the deal looked to me like adjusted gross income of 400,000 on individuals and 450,000 agi on couples. Now, does it end there . Lets look a little bit further down. It says the agreement doesnt cut Social Security benefits, medicare or medicaid. Thats because the president stood strong against reducing the deficit on the backs of seniors, students, poor and working families. In order to remain strong, they need to fix it is that something to brag about . And the last thing is, today we had the adb report. It was much better than expected. I contacted adp and said what about seasonable highing . They said there is a seasonal adjustment for that and a seasonal adjustment when it works its way out so that will cushion the effects. I dont know if it will or wont but it doesnt surprise me that this read was stronger than expected. Back to you. Thank you, Rick Santelli. Keep tweeting today. Starbucks will start selling a reusable plastic cup that resembles the paper version for just 1. The dollar tumbler is the companys latest effort to cut down on waste. We are asking you, whats some other trash that needs to be cut down and why . Tweet us at kwauk stresquawk st. Some your responses are coming up next. Today starbucks starts selling a 1 plastic tumbler. It is the companys latest effort to cut down on disposable cups that end up in landfills and of course, it is their attempt to get an extra dollar out of you. Were asking you today, whats some other trash that needs to be cut down on and why . John tweets any news report containing the words kardashian, bieber or lohan because it indangers my sanity. Jeremy tweets electronics that go obsolete after a year or two. Cough apple cough. Nick tweets congress. Obviously hash tag trash of the century. Harsh. Harsh. Maybe living in connecticut. I think the frustration on the part of americans is extremely understandable given what weve gone through. I think particularly over the Hurricane Sandy events. Yes, exactly. Particularly over that. All right, lets get to it. Heres what you might have missed if youre just tuning in. Welcome to hour three of squawk on the street. Heres whats happening so far. I think the white house in this secondbest world won that round but they by not insisting that the debt limit be tied to that package, its entirely possible theyre going to win the week and lose the quarter. It is going to get really ugly because the debt ceiling is a real fiscal cliff. That is if you go over that, then youve attacked the Credit Rating of the United States in a serious way. 215,000 total private employment growth. I thought everyone of these retailers would bemoan things. Instead it is kind of business as usual which isnt that bad. I really wonder where the bonds would be in going to this debt ceiling discussion possible default if the fed werent in there buying them. Heres my cell phone. Plea please sext. What are you saying . Im hopped up on Cold Medicine. Do you not think you need to cut production . No, sir. I think you want to be in technology and consumer discretionary. I think you want to be in the financials. In fact, i like most of the sectors except for the consumer staples. A busy morning here at cnbc. Good morning if youre just joining us. Were live at post nine at new york stock exchange. Taking a bit of a breather after the strong surge yesterday and of course on monday, all fiscal cliff related or maybe new year related put almost 500 points on the dow. No wonder were just edging down slightly as we start trade this thursday morning. Retail giant macys reporting total sales of over 5 billion for the five weeks ending december 29th. A 3. 6 jump from the comparable year ago period. Samestore sales surged 4. 1 for the month. That stock in negative territory. Priceline upgraded to buy. Priceline offers more competitive upside than expedia which has basically doubled in value. Private sector job gains picked up speed in december despite intensifying fiscal cliff negotiations in washington. Is this a sign of a strong jobs number on tap for tomorrow . Ward mccarthy is here to weigh in. Plus the gap beating expectations for monthly samestore sales while costco and macys also beat the street. Is the consumer back for good . One of the Fastest Growing bond funds double on capitals cofounder. The ceo and founder is here to give us his outlook on the state of the bond market for 2013. This is a live shot coming out of d. C. Of the 112th Congress Convening for the very last time before the 113th congress is sworn in. That happens in just about an hour from now. The new congress will then vote on the speakership. You see john boehner there. Despite recent drama, current Speaker John Boehner is expected to be reelected but of course this is something that we continue to follow for you. Adp coming out with a better than expected jobs number this morning. Goldman sachs just raised its estimate for tomorrows employment report to a gain of 200,000 jobs from 175,000. For more, lets bring in ward mccarthy, chief u. S. Economist at jeffries. Good morning to you. Good morning. Are you upbeat about tomorrows employment report, nonfarm payrolls . Im pretty upbeat. I think well be a solid reading on the private second sore side, i think well get an increase of about 188,000. Well probably lose about 8,000 government jobs but i expect that well see a rebound in Construction Activity and well get a little bit of a postsandy boost as well, i think. Thats interesting. So you dont believe that the fiscal cliff the fiscal cliff will have negatively impacted the figures potentially. I think it will on the margin but i think that will otherwise the numbers would have been stronger. The only weak spot in the adp data this morning was a relatively modest 25,000 increase in Small Business hiring. Small business seems to be the sector of the economy that was most concerned about the fiscal cliff. Medium sized and larger firms, less so. So if wed had a stronger reading from Small Businesses, i probably would have had an Even Stronger number but i do think it will that some concern about the fiscal cliff will be reflected in this number tomorrow. Ward, given what weve gotten from congress on the fiscal cliff so far, do you think that it will make employers more confident and more secure in actually hiring . Do you think we could see an improvement here because of what weve gotten or is the bigger unknown the debt ceiling and spending cuts . Well, i think well see some improvement, because had we gone off the cliff, we would have unquestionably gone back into a recession. So i think that that will help hiring going forward. But youre absolutely right, theres still a lot of unleft business. We have the debt ceiling to deal with. The government is only funded through march 31st of this year. And of course we still have to deal with the other side of a longterm deficit reduction deal which is spending reductions. Thats going to be another knockdown dragout. So i think this will help on the margin but i think what will really give us a good solid boost in the economy will be once we get through the rest of this muddle. So even though congress may be claim some sort of victory in some ways in that they averted the fiscal cliff, you still think were going to feel the effects at least through the First Quarter of the year. I think were going to feel the effects of dysfunctional government through the First Quarter of the year. Part of it will be the legend effect to the anxiety that businesses and the consumers had leading up to the fiscal cliff. And some of it will be lingering anxiety because there still is Unfinished Business and, of course, the process by which Congress Addresses these issues is very unpleasant and destabilizing. Ward, youre the chief u. S. Economist. Youre not the chief strategist. But what is your gut feeling about the market at the moment . Where do you think were likely to trade . Well, the view at jeffries is that were very encouraged and were optimistic about the performance of the stock market. Especially now that this one particular obstacle has been released. We are in an environment where it is very difficult to find yield. So investors i think we will be seeing reallocating some of their proceeds from the bond market which is a pretty tough place to earn any kind of yield into the equity market. Of course we also have the fed just pumping liquidity into the system so you put that all together in a lower inflation environment, and an environment where i think the u. S. Economy can do substantially better once we get through these political obstacles. Should do well. But despite the fact that youre forecasting a bumpy First Quarter for all the reasons politically that you just discussed with melissa. Well, there has been sort of a disengagement between the economy and the Financial Markets to a significant degree because of steps that have been taken on the policy side, primarily by the federal reserve. So i dont think one is necessarily an impediment to the other. Ward, happy new year. Thank you very much. As you know, were all looking forward to tomorrows december jobs report. That means another opportunity for you to nail the number. Tweet us your predictions for the december nonfarm payrolls figure. This months prize a notebook. Like paper notebook. Autographed by the entire team. You have manhattan before the friday release at 8 30 eastern time. Autographed by the entire team and coveted by melissa. I do covet that notebook. First it was automotive sales, now boeing is coming out with new numbers. Phil lebeau lass it all in chicago. Simon, a huge year for boeing in 2012. Weve covered it throughout the year that they were booking some major orders especially for the 737 max. Now we have the yearend numbers for boeing. Orders standing at 1,203 deliveries, 601. Thats the most planes delivered by boeing since 1999 on the commercial side. Couple of things stand out. Boeing set a new record for deliveries of its 737 in planes. These planes have been wildly popular, now with the introduction to the 737 max theyre going to be transitioning there. Theyre building them at a rate of 35 per month. More than one per day. The 787 got a lot of attention because you had the first commercial deliveries happening last year here in the United States with united airlines. Boeing delivering 43 787 dreamliners 46, excuse me in 2012. The backlog are orders for all planes stands at an alltime high for boeing. As we look at a chart of boeing over the last year, the backlog now stands at 4,373 planes. They dont put a book value on that yet, melissa and simon. But thats an alltime high in terms of a backlog for commercial airplanes with boeing. Phil, for the stock, its close to an alltime high as is a lot of as are a lot of defense stocks, the philly defense index today hitting a record high. Look at also precision cast parts one of the suppliers into the aerospace industry. Pcp trading at alltime high levels back to 1983. Those suppliers many think theyve got a ways to go still because were just starting to see the rampup in production. Interesting. Phil, thank you. Theres certainly been more than a few conflicting reports about holiday sales during the course of the season. Well now this morning the retailers themselves are out with numbers. So which names came out on top and which ones came up short . Find out next. Also ahead in the program Rick Santelli with the Santelli Exchange. Rickster. Well, simon, there was a surprise resignation by the epa administrator lisa jackson at end of last year. We have chris warner from the Competitive Enterprise Institute who has a unique take on this. 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Environmental protection agency, lisa jackson, announcing shell be leaving the obama administration. Rick santelli in chicago with the impact there on the epa. Rick . Thank you very much, melissa lee. Id like to welcome chris horner to the program. Welcome, chris. Before we get going, i just have one simple question to ask you who exactly is Richard Windsor and why is cei involved with the Justice Department to really find out . Richard windsor is the falls identity assumed by the nowdeparting administrator of obamas epa, lisa jackson, a dummy employee created for the purpose of installing a lotus notes email account on three of the administrators computers and she used that identity to correspond, it seems according to epas implication, they are saying it was only for internal correspondence. Well be checking on that. But anyway, i discovered this when i ran across a memo while writing the book the liberaltr asking questions. Right before Richard Windsor announced his resignation the government agreed to turn over Richard Windsor emails on coal. Do you think the resignation had anything to do with these proceedings with the Justice Department . I do. Because everything on the record out of lisa jackson, Richard Windsors mouth say she intended to be in it for the long haul. Is it illegal to have a faux name email . I think a lot of people have things like that. Why is it such a big deal in this case . Right. Because a lot of people are private citizens and private records are treated differently than records that you and i own. These are public records. So per se, were not sure that the laws took into account every stunt that might be pulled to try to defeat transparency laws but we know how it is being used was defeating transparency law is. Were finding lawyers on the correspondence, finding possible successors to lisa jackson. Her acting replacement is on the correspondence i have so far. At least a lot of questions are now being asked by congress and purportedly by epas inspector general. Chris, a couple of years ago my kids were really fascinated there was a youtube showing if you put three cell phones around a couple of kernels of corn they popped. They really dont in life. Fracking. They show youtubes of water on fire. Can you speak to that . Yeah, sure. The famous clip of a faucet water igniting has been ignited for 100 years. The implication was it was because of fracking when in fact it has nothing to do with it. There was i think a regulator but an activist caught staging another issue where they were actually igniting the gas relief valve, not the water. You see matt damons movie lifted its plot from cars 2, conspiratorial beyond belief. I think we are making up these reasons for a reason. I have to cut you short. We have breaking news. But real quickly do you think there is a lot by the epa against fracking and all the positives of what that energy can do for jobs in this country . Yes or no answer. Yes. Theyre very antiabundance. I gotcha. Thank you, chris. Well have you back again. Now i believe were going to the breaking news desk. Thats right, rick. Brian schactman has news on an offshore driller. Major stock movements here. Transocean, Ticker Symbol rig, reports crossing the wall street journal its settled with the department of justice and will pay fines and penalties of 1. 4 billion of course related to the deepwater horizon tragedy in the gulf in 2010. The intraday chart, just a huge pop on the stock you would imagine because there is certainty now. You know the number. Lets move on, take a quick look at bp. That stock also moving on this reported news. A little bit of a spike and pullback but it went from the flat line to up 1 . Back to you. Thank you, brian schactman. A few minutes left in your trading day for europe. We have details and the impact on the u. S. Right after this. In, impact Life Expectancy in the u. S. , real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany . At t. Rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. Its just one reason over 75 of our mutual funds beat their 10year lipper average. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. When the doctor told me that i could smoke for the first week. Im like. Yeah, ok. Little did i know that one week later i wasnt smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. It reduces the urge to smoke. Some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. 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Yes, some of them concerning entertainment. First of all, relatively quiet day in europe today. Switzerland came back to trade so it caught up on those two big days that you had monday and the day after the fiscal cliff. A lot of the swiss stocks have absolutely rocketed at the open. The main gainers in europe therefore are those luxury goods makers which are quoted, richemont, card yea, swatch car swatch. Swatch has been buying up some Luxury Brands so theyve done well. Then the big swiss blue chips, if you like, they have also risen in response to that general riskon trade that you saw monday and the day after the cliff. Credit suisse high, ubs, abb. The other news that europeans are talking about is the fact that the french actor is apparently becoming russian on a on the russian website or on the governments website, it appears that Vladimir Putin has granted him citizenship. He of course is very angry about the 75 tax on the wealthy in france. It would appear that hes moving to russia where they have a flat tax of just 13 . No word from the depardieu business. Thats the close around western europe. Its relatively flat with the exception of switzerland right there in the middle, up 2. 6 as it plays double catchup. I know that Jarod Depardieu was very close to your heart. Actually, no, ive mistaken him from another french actor i had seen in french class growing up. Didnt that 75 tax get struck down . It never went through . You have to wonder if hes thinking theyre going to bring it back. Its kind of a technical thing about how you divide it up. Can i say one more thing before we go . German unemployment actually worsens today but it is still at a record low. Spanish unemployment got better. Holiday hiring down 1. 2 . I mean from 25 but your depth of talent is just staggering. From Economic Data to a veneer of knowledge. No nor. On wikipedia, Gerard Depardieu is already changed to a russian actor. Thats how fast these things work. Sharon epperson is at the nymex. Were looking at a little bit of a slide here in gold and in the oil markets as well. Were looking at gold prices here right around 1,679 an ounce. The key level to watch will be right around 1,675. Traders say thats the support level theyre watching. This of course is happening after the rally we saw in Precious Metals and in energy yesterday on the fiscal cliff news. We are looking at a mixed market here for oil prices. We do have brent crude slightly under pressure but basically flat prices here for the wti contract. A lot of traders are watching the spread between brent and wti and theyre watching whats happening with the seaway pipeline. The completion on the expansion of that pipeline there. 400,000 Barrels Per Day taking crude from cushing, oklahoma and taking it to the gulf coast. This is one thing traders have been watching and anticipating a great deal to help alleviate some are saying what theyre seeing in terms of the big divergence between brent crude and wti prices. Also watching natural gas which continues to fall after that huge plunge we saw in yesterdays session. We are going to get a storage report from the energy Department Store. The anticipation is we may not see a huge withdrawal from storage. That of course in a market that has plenty of natural gas could be a bearish nal. Well watch for that report at 10 30 eastern time. Were not off to the races and were not really selling off. I dont know what you would call it digestion maybe . We started on the low side here. There was the selloff. Didnt go anywhere. Were slowly moving into positive territory. Volume not as heaven as it was yesterday. This is what you want to see here. Again i would call digestion the proper term. Let me comment on some of the sectors. Ive gotten questions on whats going on. Big question is defense. This is an historic high for the defense index today. Dfx. Now wait a minute, everybody says, my emails say what about this sequestration thats coming . Isnt this going to hurt defense . The answer is yes but two things are mitigating this. Put up the defense stocks say the big names. Theres a belief that most of the sequestration is not going to happen and that when it does, you will get cuts that are within the limits that people already anticipate, that it will be relatively modest or expected in the defense area. The second is all of these names are very exposed to the commercial aerospace market. That is a very robust business right now and because these names have exposure to commercial aerospace, theyre fairly well insulated from some of the downturns in defense. Not completely but thats the main reason on a day when youd expect people to be worried about defense, defense stocks are again to the upside. Lets move on, talk about some other things. I want to talk about the solar stocks. Doubledigit increases in the solar companies. I can tell you the official theres a production tax credit extension for renewable wind plants that was passed as part of the fiscal cliff deal. They are extrapolating this to mean that theres going to be no government subsidy cuts in solar and other of these Renewable Energy sources for solar today again. I find this a little bit of an extravagant claim but thats whats going on today. Banks are weak. Weve had a great twoday run. Big debate about what to do with bank stocks this year. Remember the positives, the mortgage banking business is improving, it is a back door play on housing. We have commercial loan growth stronger here. Some of the big names are weaker today after a big twoday run. Sun trust got a downgrade from some companies today. Some of the big regional names are to the downside. I think the big worry here and i agree with this where are you going to get a dramatic increase in Interest Rates that will really be necessary for these banks to start making some money on their Net Interest Margins. Finally on the retail side, the important thing on retail is a little bit better than expected here in terms of december samestore sales. Warm weathers were a problem but seven companies lowered their guidance, those discounts hurt margins that we saw at the end. There are some names ross stores, tjx, those are the big winners. And even target and macys lowered their numbers. It is not dramatically impacting those stocks today. Bit of a pass there. Simon, back to you. Interesting. We had a defense analyst on the other day who was talking about the fact that those Big Companies wont be impacted because theyve already redrawn their contracts to ensure that they dont get messed around with sequester effects. You might get people actually people leaving the pentagon who are pentagon employees but everybody else is locked in. Bob, thank you very much. Famed expert Jeffrey Gundlach will be here very shortly to talk everything from the fiscal cliff to the death threat to his top calls for 2013 which i believe include, importantly, japan. Stay with us. [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters . At legalzoom, weve created a better place to handle your legal needs. Maybe you have questions about incorporating a business youd like to start. Or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust. And youd like to find the right attorney to help guide you along, answer any questions and offer advice. With an a rating from the Better Business bureau legalzoom helps you get personalized and affordable legal protection. In most states, a legal plan attorney is available with every personalized document to answer any questions. Get started at legalzoom. Com today. And now youre protected. Coming up at the top of the hour, henry blodgett. Is this the year microsoft shareholders will be rewarded. What now for the dow . Our traders have winning plays. If you took our next guests advice early last year youd have been handsomely rewarded in return. Now to give you his 2013 outlook, double line capitals cofounder and ceo Jeffrey Gundlach joins Gary Kaminsky for an exclusive interview. Hi, gary. Simon, happy new year and thanks very much. Jeffrey, our viewers know who you are. They want to hear what you have to say. When we visited with you in los angeles in september, you sort of telegraphed what you expected with the fiscal cliff and not surprisingly, you were deadon. So tell us now what are your expectations in terms of whats happening with the debt ceiling, how it will Impact Capital markets and how the portfolios positioned as a result of that. Gary, happy new year. It feels like ground hog day, that movie, doesnt it . Where the fiscal cliff was the big deal and ace have been saying for the last few months thats not really the big deal. The big deal is the fiscal crisis thats ongoing in the United States and were just moving on to chapter 2. Chapter 2 is the coming fight over the debt ceiling and will there be any spending cuts. It is amazing how politicians on both sides of the aisle were talking about how the bill to address the fiscal cliff needed to be balanced and what came out couldnt have been more imbalanced sort of by definition with nothing but tax increases. So now comes the harder work as we move forward and were stuck with the same issues. I really think the environment hasnt changed much since you visited double line back in september. When it comes to the bond market, the yield on the 10year treasury i think almost exactly the same today as it was in the middle part of later september when you visited our offices. So were in a range bound market for bond. We have these two competing forces. On the Positive Side if you want to call it a positive, you have rate repression by the federal reserve, buying bonds which obviously keeps Interest Rates lower than they would otherwise be. But on the other side, in the treasury market, you have no value to speak of from an investors perspective. However, when youre at the higher end of the range in yields, which you are right now, the higher end of the range for the last few months, it is actually a reasonable time to be putting cash to work in the bond market because the prospect for higher yields just isnt that great with the feds policies. I want to get to expected returns in various Asset Classes. When we came out there last time you made a comment about price discovery and how the manipulation by Central Banks around the world were making it very hard for bond markets to have true price discovery. Do you get a sense that there is better price discovery now than there was back in the early part of the fall . No. I think its just getting systematically worse. People keep talking about a bond bubble. I keep hearing that all the time. I done think there is a bond bubble but i think the year 2013 may be building a credit risk bubble as we move forward because whats happening is that investors starved for yield now that yields are lower on competing assets versus treasuries, thanks to yield compression, due to yield starvation, the next move i believe that will start happening in the financial industry is funds will start leveraging credit risk to a greeter extent which will build up an overexposure potentially should the market ultimately turn against bonds later on. So i think thats really an issue that investors should be thinking about. In the near term, it is actually a positive for risk assets in the bond market because the leveraging up of those sectors will bring even higher prices and lower yields on things like junk bonds, corporate bonds, emerging market debt and things like credit risk in the mortgagebacked securities market. Those things are likely to add higher in price jeffrey, since we did this a year ago and bill gross sat down in california giving out his outlook in terms of expected returns in various Asset Classes, i want your oneyear time frame in expected returns. 10year treasury. Whats the total return, somebody buys a 10year treasury today, 12 months from now. 3 . S p equity invested, s p including dividends, total return. I think about 5 . 5 . Good portfolio of lets say a laddered portfolio, Mortgage Backed securities. Probably 6 . Highyield junk. You talked about credit risk. If i invest in the junk index right now, what should my expected return be in 2013 . I think about 6 . Lastly, you were out in december joining a number of other people saying you were aggressively investing in the japanese equity market, the nikkei, as a result of whats happening there. Expected return in the nikkei over the next 12 months . Thats a tough one. The nikkei was a fantastically good investment about six weeks ago. Its up about 23 in just that short period. Its hard to be that in love with it right now on a shortterm basis. But even so i think the nikkei can go up over 20 this year. Obviously significantly better than the other indices other Asset Classes we discussed. Last year you talked about apple. Youre not a stock guy, youre a bond guy but you used credit analysis and you talked about you more or less top ticked apple in terms of the shortterm trading given the concerns. Tell us what you think of that stock right now and are there other Equity Investments out there that you see similar types of concerns about massively overcrowded trades . Apple i think is in a consolidation period. I was on a show on cnbc back in around november 19th when apple hit its shortterm bottom, where it kissed 500 and closed about 525. I think well hover around this level as long as the stock market stays locally reasonably strong. I deeply believe though that apple is headed to 425 a share, not because im a bond guy or stock guy, because im a market guy. Ive been around for a long time and i know that when something goes vertical like apple did from 425, once the bubble pops, it goes back down to the point at which it lifted off. Thats about 425. Are there other equities that you see similar characteristics out there right now . Not really. I think that the fiscal cliff Capital Gains aspect took some wind out of all of those types of highflyers because of the capital gain switchover. So i dont really see that right now. I really think what investors should be looking at are things in the equity markets that are down. This is why i like the japanese equity market, though its up a lot. And i like the shanghai, just because if youre going to have part of your portfolio thats exposed to inflationary outcome, those are the ones that i think have the greatest up side. For that part of your portfolio, those are the markets to go to. Talk about equities for a second. You made a major announcement yesterday. Youve lifted out two Portfolio Managers from Trust Company joining doubleline, your former firm. Tell us why the expansion into equities at double line right now. It is a combination of factors. The first is that we had had a game plan that we were going to be talking about for two years of getting our aum at double line to 50 billion or 60 billion at a fixed income firm. The idea was that at that point we would start thinking about horizontal business expansion. We hit 50 billion at double line about six or eight weeks ago so it was time to think about implementing that change. I also think that for the very long term, talking about a generation ten years, Something Like this, it is clear to me that investors will be better off over the long term in equities than they will be in fixed income. For the long term. Because of the valuation of fixed income just cannot support without a selloff first returns in the high Single Digits for an ongoing basis. I think equities are a good place to for investors to be looking for when theyre priced at a lower level which will happen ultimately when we deal with these economic headwinds that weve talked so often about. In line with that, and again with expected returns, a lot of viewers, as you know, a lot of Financial Advisors have their clients invested in the fund. If you take a look at the oneyear performance, obviously great relative performance but not great absolute returns, you look at the threeyear numbers in the fund, its done extremely well, both relative and absolute. Expectations in terms of investors in the fund, absolute performance, give us a sense of what you think if one wants to stay committed to the bond market, you think the fund can do in the next three to five years. I well, it is going to depend upon volatility of Interest Rates but my base case would be that we could do something around 6 or 7 per annum. I have to take issue with you though, gary. I think the oneyear performance on absolute basis is awfully good. 9. 2 is not too shabby from a bond fund when a lot of bond funds get 3 , 4 . I totally agree. You know many investors have invested with you and and though you dont want them to benchmark the s p 500, they look at you as a total return. They always assume you can beat any index. I hear you, gary. But if investors think im going to outperform every index in the world, theyre going to be perpetually disappointed. Well, thats what happens when youre a great investor. We thank you for the insight. Melissa, back to you at the new york stock exchange. Thank you very much. Bob pisani was talking about the positive price action in todays session given the 4. 3 gain weve seen in the past two sessions. Weve turned positive on the s p 500 as well as the nasdaq. The nasdaq being helped certainly by google and amazon each showing a 1 gain. It is the mid caps and masmall capping power rg the charge higher. The mid caps index is at a record high in fact. A new year and a new you. Its new years resolution time. How much heck will those resolutions add to knnutrisystes bottom line. The ceo joins us next. Humans. Even when we cross our ts and dot our is, we still run into problems. Namely, other humans. At Liberty Mutual insurance, we understand. Thats why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates wont go up due to your first accident, and new car replacement, where, if you total your new car, we give you the money for a new one. Call. 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Youve been on the job your second month. Right. You started november 15th. Youre coming in at a difficult time for the company. Novembers Quarterly Results were a sizable miss. At a time when Weight Watchers was posting decent numbers. Whats first on the list in terms of trying to turn the company around . Im glad you said its a turnaround, thats how i view it. A lot of things im looking at, shortterm and midterm and longer term initiatives. On the shortterm, its about execution, focusing on the fundamentals, making sure we have the analytics in place to move the business. Its also about margins. Theres optimizing the market, a lot of things we can do there. The thing that excites me the most is focusing on the life cycle journey of the customer. We typically only offer food and there is so much more. You come from readers digest, so its important when you start the conversation by saying this is a direct marketing company. Absolutely. So less celebrity perhaps moving forward . Is that correct . A mix. I think its a mix going forward. Our celebrities are fabulous. They work really well for us, but its also about real people. Over half the people in the country three nights ago made a resolution to lose weight. A lot of people, a lot of before and after stories, a lot of people like others and me in the audience losing weight. Dawn, i have to stop you there. We have breaking news. Im down at the federal courthouse in manhattan where matthew martola has pleaded not guilty to what prosecutors call the most lucrative Insider Trading scheme ever. The two sides and the judge set a meeting for the two sides to reconvene on march 5. The prosecution was asked if theyre going to be submitting wiretaps as evidence during the discovery phase. They answered no. Why is this important . Mr. Martoma is an employee of s. A. C. Capital, the hedge fund run by steven cohen. Prosecutors allege he shared Insider Information with mr. Cohen via a phone call which aloud s. A. C. To net profits and avoid losses concerning an experimental alzheimers drug. So that may provide the defense some ease. S. A. C. Capital always said it believed it cooperated and mr. Martoma maintains his innocence. This is what many believe is a larger effort of the government to reach mr. Cohen of s. A. C. Back to you. All right. Lets get back to the conversation we were having with the ceo of nutrisystem. Dawn, do you see the business as being a growth model . Its not difficult. You just have to eat less and exercise more. As people go further down the line and are better educated, what happens your business when they realize they can do it themselves or there may be a Silver Bullet . Last night we learned fructose is a big problem, it turns off peoples able to feel full. Those Silver Bullets are not good news for your business, are they . Actually i love the informed customer. We are not there are a lot of doityourselfers in the market. We are a diet that works when people are informed. They come to us when other diets fail. We are guaranteed to work. We are scientifically based, nutritionally based. We talk about high fructose. That doesnt scare me. We are high fiber, high protein, low sugar. So i think everybody points in the right direction. When you look at the obesity epidemic going on, there are more and more consumers. The biggest thing is to help the do it yourselfers who are struggling and not successful and getting them on our program. Dawn, thanks. Appreciate it. More squawk on the street after this. Futures move first. Learn futures from experienced pros with dedicated chats and daily live webinars. And trade with papermoney to testdrive the market. All on thinkorswim. From td ameritrade. Scroll. Tap. Pinch. And zoom. In your car. Introducing the allnew cadillac xts with cue. Dont worry. We havent forgotten, you still like things to push. 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