be said. it's a phrase that should never have to be said. it should be self-evident. but our history sadly requires us to say that black lives matter. >> what a difference in terms of empathy in new york city and what we saw in ferguson. that's an aside. joining us michael skull nick, editor and chief of globalgrind.com and joe hicks, vice president of community advocates, incorporated. michael, black lives matter. i find it to be such a compelling mantra in some ways. you were on the streets last night protesting, and i know you'll be out again and i'm sure you'll be chanting "black lives matter." who needs to hear it? it's not just police. it's got to include the grand jurors who decided not to indict, the people in pontiac, michigan, who called and said there's a suspicious looking guy with his hands in higgs pockets, i want police to come and take care of it. >> i want to give credit to