right to vote in 1965, blacks couldn't vote, white women couldn't serve on juries, 18-year-old couldn't vote, you could not vote bilingual. it was that quotient, not a post-racial but a post-selma generation that came into being the real america. so when i see them, i see the rainbow blossoming and doctor king's dream being realized. >> you referenced selma. you were there. i'm wondering, i can't imagine but imagine you look at the current situation and your mind takes you back to selma. what changes do you see? i know you know there is room for so much change and there needs to be reform but compare and contrast it for me if you would. >> every time there's a forward move, michaela's's always a backlash. swimming from england to france is not that far, it's like 30 miles, but the undercurrent