than apparently ray. that's another problem. it's almost like the 6-foot tall bunny. he can see him but nobody else can. >> even lawyer william pepper concedes -- >> no, we never found anybody to place raoul, who placed james in raoul's presence or raoul in james' presence. we were never able to do that. >> i asked ray's brother jerry about that. there's no one ever who said, oh, yeah, i saw them meeting, or i saw them walking down the street together, or i saw him driving james' car. >> yeah. >> none of that. >> you probably won't. you probably won't. >> isn't that strange? >> no, no. them guys are professionals. they know what they're doing. they know how to cover their tracks. >> reverend king's closest aide, andrew young. >> i think there was a determination in very high places that our movement had to be stopped. >> in his mind, a multilayered conspiracy. >> it certainly went as far as the fbi.