investor and advisor and consultant to hq trivia. colin and rus had different and complementary kinds of skill sets. they met at jet center. >> my next guest, drew patterson. >> i was the founder and the ceo. >> and we had a great time together. lots of late nights, beers afterwards. those kinds of experiences created lots of camaraderie and deep relationships and friendships. colin is an introvert. you know, i suppose maybe i am as well. and so we connected around that. rus and i had a professional relationship, but we weren't friends in the way that colin and i are friends. colin was a world-class engineer. you look at what hq had to accomplish, colin was one of the few people in the world able to do that. >> we definitely like to connect you closer with the people that you know in the game. >> and, i mean, rus is an incredibly talented designer. >> with hq trivia, when colin and rus started as just co-founders, eventually colin fell into the role of the chief technology officer and effectively rus started to be the coo, the chief operating officer.