screeching in the room. >> you were fondling it while i was gone. >> they said couldn't she be 30 and played by heather locklear -- >> and i explain why. when you shave down the rough edges of a character, you bland them out. and this is why maybe you haven't had a hit for seven years, so -- >> murphy was defined by being excellent in her career -- >> the justice department shut you down on 15 counts of fraud. they said you swindled $10 million from unsuspecting investors -- >> and she didn't care what people thought of her. >> you're the most bull-headed person i've ever met. >> and you're elitist. >> you always have to make a point, don't you? >> yes i do, jim. and he's another point. >> "murphy brown" hit big and drew 20 to 25 million viewers a week. >> then murphy had a baby.