courtroom? >> i have not. that was an extraordinary moment, but this is an extraordinary family, alisyn. they are a very godly family. mr. bertram and brandt were talking about grace. we don't believe the punishment fits the crime but they were praying for a conviction and this was an historic case, alisyn because as my colleagues and i thought about it, we believe it's the first time that a white police woman has ever been convicted of murder for killing a black man in america. so this history is a teachable moment for all of america that